I still think that the mask is just another attempt to scare Bill. To show him that they can enter his house without anyone noticing and even without waking Alice up

Unpopular opinion: When you’re told not to tell anyone…then it’s best to tell Everyone. Die on your feet, instead of live on your knees. IYKYK 💯

I believe that the theory of Alice being a member of the cult was revealed to us by Kubrick in the first 10 seconds of the movie…when Alice dropped her dress to reveal she was fully nude and did so in between 2 pillars.

The first theory merges well with certain events that take place. Alice’s dream mirroring the “party,” the mask ending up on the bed next to her and her last sentence before the film cuts to black. You’ve just been told about a cult that threatens people to the point of death and your response to “fuck.” That’s a bit odd. Even the movie cover seems a bit eery. Bill is kissing Alice but Alice is looking away. The movie itself is called “Eyes Wide Shut” but her eyes are open. I really wish we saw the director's cut.

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The movie is about questions, the uncertainty of what is going on under the surface. Everybody has secrets, there’s more than one level of truth, villains are lurking in the shadows.

the two members at the party that look down at bill are the shop owner and his daughter, it is implied that they knew who it was just from the mask. the only people who know about the mask being sold was the shop owner.

I was pretty young when I first saw this film, but remember being struck by one thing: the "Father/daughter" duo of the costume store bear resemblance to what DeNiro and Jodie Foster may have looked like, x-number of years later, if Taxi Driver had ended differently. And I noticed special attention seemed to be drawn to "Gillespie's" (the jazz club) and - even as one who HATES conspiracy theories (esp about the 'elite'), one can't help but wonder if it was a nickname for Ghillane & Epstein

It’s somewhat remarkable that EWS becomes more resonant with time. The lid is slowly being lifted off the secret debauched world of the mega-elites. Kubrick’s movies were often about the dangers of being too close to the centers of power and money. In “Barry Lyndon” the gentry are mostly corrupt, lazy drunks who gossip and rumor amongst themselves and position for further influence with the crown. EWS is simply the more modern version. Kubrick correctly portrays these worlds as both seductive and nightmarish. The advice is always seemingly to turn away from the enticingly mysterious doors underground. That world knows its own and they also know you are not among them.

Bro , that is a brilliant catch and you're the first and only person ive seen point out the guy who may have taken Helena who is a spitting image of the waiter from the party. Great work man.

It was clear to me by the second watch that Helena was clearly being kidnapped at the end - and I hadn’t even noticed yet that those people from the party were at the toy store, that the painting above Helena’s bed says “SEX”, that two actors at the first party are playing Epstein and Maxwell, or the dozens of other clues I’ve noticed since… It must be denial, that people are too disturbed by such things that they don’t want them to be true. Thus, the perfect title: “Eyes Wide Shut”. People don’t see what they aren’t ready to mentally deal with.

This is definitely a “Icarus flew too close to the sun” situation bc it was revealed later on that the suits wanted parts of the movie cut out while Stanley Kubrick fought to leave everything jn just how he originally intended, well what do you know he had a "heart attack" and died before its release to the public, so they got exactly what they wanted and removed the scene/scenes🤔 cold world we live in…

Helenas role in the movie is underrated and probably fell victim to cuts or story unknown to the viewer. Cruise and kidman (what a name even kid... man) tell he farewell with their body language. She was sold to the cult, maybe she also wasnt bills daughter but only schooled by Alice, a common practice with wealthy traffickers. I also think bill and alice talk about her during their overnighter and they decide to give her away and that the hints alluding to that are either cut or to be reconstructed by the viewer. I dont believe Kubrick included explicit bloody shit in the movie that was cut after his death, hes of the subtle kind, almost asian in art language where the mere hint is direct enough, especially in arranged set pieces where there is no coincidences.

I'm convinced that Alice was a member of the cult. She was ordered to marry Bill and lure him into the cult. She cried when Tom told her about the party because she knew that Helena would be the sacrifice for Bill's loose tongue. He had been warned not to tell anyone, yet there he was, blabbing away to Alice. She watched Helena walk off with the two men in the toy store but said nothing. At least three people from the party were in the store and the store was full of the cult's particular symbolism, so it's obvious to me that the store was a cult hub of some kind. Current example of this, imo: Meghan Markle. She was a member of Soho House, an arm of the World Economic Forum, from her early twenties, even though she wasn't one of the rich or famous. There was no obvious reason why they would recruit her into an exclusive club for the 1%, but they did it. She lured Harry into marriage by pretending to be in psychic communication with his mother, and wore his mother's perfume, and it is said in royal circles, and by Harry, that she's a demon in bed, willing to do anything. Markus Anderson was also recruited by Soho House even though he wasn't rich or famous, and he's Meghan's handler (allegedly). He even lives with M&H periodically.

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I’ve noticed that the paintings on the walls also have messages. When Bill and Alice are leaving the apartment for the Xmas party there is a painting of a cat with eyes wide open. Even the cat had eyes open but Bill. At the party Bill is upstairs helping Mandy, Victor is explaining the situation and behind him there is a big picture of a pregnant naked woman lying down. Maybe Ziegler’s baby? When Bill wants to introduce the piano man to Alice while they’re dancing she says she has to go to the bathroom 🤨. But Instead she started drinking putting her champagne cup nicely and smoothly on top of the table so the Hungarian guy could grab it or .. wait! was she making a pass at him because she already knew who he was? When Alice was calling Bill to find out at what time he was coming back home? What was that about? Maybe She needed it to make sure Bill was on his way to the castle. Now: when Bill returns home he hides the mask and locks it with a key. How did she find the mask when at the time she was sleeping? Better yet! How did she know it was there?? When red cloak guy at the ceremony hits the floor a couple or times, was he announcing Bill already arrived ? The reason is because upstairs in the balcony Ziegler and his wife were saying hello, or was the rainbow guy and his daughter saying hello to him? At the ceremony in the castle Mandy got the blessing from read cloak guy and she gets up and goes straight to kiss Bill. How did she know that was Bill telling him to leave immediately because he was in danger?. The Hotel clerk works for the cult same as the coffee shop girl telling Bill she knew nothing about Nick. In the beginning everything is good to the point until Mandy saved his butt. After that everyone disappeared: Nick, Mandy, Domino, also there is no issue with the Japanese guys and everything is kool. All a show! The 2 guys get their daughter because Mandy dies and that was their price to collect for them. The movie is full of traces to make your own idea of what really happened in that story.

Almost all of the film happens at night, making it even more dream like.

Yes, Alice is cold, cruel and detached. She's definately a villain, but probably also a victim. In the party scene, she appears to be drugged and mind-controlled, as if being commanded to later trigger Bill into a state of confusion and disbelief. When confronted by Alice, his face evokes multiple expressions: humiliation, sadness, doubt and betrayal to name a few. In that moment, he wonders if his whole life with Alice has been one big lie and that she possibly never loved him. His doubts about her are never really resolved.

I definitely think Helena was walking off with the 2 old guys (whi were seen at the first party too)... The servant also appearing at the end there is like he is serving her up maybe ?

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Goddamn, always happy to see a video posted by you!

If you, ahem, pay close attention to some of the more risque shots of Alice at the start of the film and then look carefully at the other women at the masked event, you will see that either she is there or they've casted someone who looks just like her. I'm still not sure this means in terms of the literal plot but it's interesting

I always thought about Helena being kidnapped as soon I saw it the first time. And Iam sure thats what happened

I believe there may be some truth to the conspiracy theories

Alice is definitely absolutely apart of the society......the scene where T.Cruise and Kidman are kissing in front of the mirror....then screen goes blank. Next morning Cruise arrives at his office. Alice is bored reading newspaper (no hair-makeup done) then Cruise is consulting with patient......Alice is brushing daughter hair (no makeup) ....Cruise is with another patient.....Alice is completely nude....(only wearing black knee high boots) and putting on a BLACK bra...(hair, make-up, and pearl earrings).....back to Cruise working....and Kidman is applying deodorant with PURPLE bra on...with kiddo brushing teeth.....BOOM! Alice is the villain.

I think the waiter at the party/dude in the toy store was probably merely a case of reusing an extra. I've played different extra/space filler roles in the same movie a number of times, usually to make it easier on the casting director. Kubrick gets too much credit sometimes for intentional choices but he may not have even been aware of the guy's repeat presence, if it is the same guy. There is absolutely no indication the 2 older men in the store are "guiding" the girl, or that the girl would even be enticed to, or know to go with them.

Great deconstruction on some popular theories. I wasn't even aware of the one regarding the kidnapper... Hard to prove any theory really but I like your rational approach to weighing each of them. That said, EWS will probably go down as one of the most enigmatic movies of all time. And that speaks a lot of the mysteries & questions that lay within this film.

Thanks for sharing.

This may sound strange but what if Alice was a former member of the secret society. As in she had been related to a member (parents) and gone once. Or never gone but knew about her families connection to it. They could have given her the mask to warn them. I know its a stretch. Weird detail, what could the magic circle board game possibly mean if it has one?

I heard the theatrical release is over 30 minutes shorter than the directors cut and that's why so much is not fully explained. Anyone have any more information on the original directors cut?

Consider EWS plays also in the Mirrorform, which presents imagery that opens all new puzzles, such as Helena and the Math Teacher (who must move away to Michigan.)

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This is a great video. I’m going with number 3…. All the scenes post Alice’s confession of wanting to have sex with the naval officer seem like a dream like state. The lighting, the cinematography, even the Christmas trees in most scenes never seem quite real. Bill embarks on a dream like trance of a journey that never quite seems real. Even the contrast of the night scenes with the striking scenes of the day time add to this. Plus the characters Nick Knightengale and the costume shop owner seems dream like not quite “ reality”. The way Stanley had the actors say the lines to with a kind of slow, repetitive quality to them adds to the unrealistic nature of Bill’s nocturnal adventure. Overall this film is vastly underrated and I think will get more attention over time like most of SK’s movies do.

Eyes wide shut is the adult version of Alice in wonderland like his wife name is Alice

I still think Alice was one of the girls in the circle...with her mask on Bill doesn't recognise her

At 11.17 those 2 old men well dressed men were at Zieglers party. When Ziegler and his wife great alice and bill in the back ground they are sitting at the table towards the right on the bottom of the stairs with 2 other females presumably their wives. I think it symbolises that child trafficking is an issue in elitist cults. I think Alice was in on the cult as the very first scene she takes off her dress in the same fashion as the girls do during the satanic liturgy. Also her dress is different when she is with bill. Implying she was at some other sex party before hand. Her kiss on her index finger which she enthusiastically put on Sandors lips was a sign that she was well up to do the dirty. As long as it was more hidden than in the middle of a party. She made sure it was going to be hush hush. She seems like the type to use and manipulate a good man like bill but be infatuated by men with higher status, power and wealth. Hence her attraction and loyalty to the cult. She took on ideologies that those who are subordinate in status, wealth and power are to be looked down on or to be used for their own means. She put the mask next to him and cleverly said to him that she was there by expressing her 'nightmare' which is similar to what bill experienced earlier that night. Bill needed head space and nurturing from his wife at a very intense and dark point in his life and he needed consoling. The last thing on his mind was arguing about alices dream seems to be too similar to the esoteric occult ritualistic party and HOW the mask got there. She knew he would leave the argument and just accept a big hug. Bill was clearly set up as a form of intimidation so further initiation could happen. When nightingale first told bill about the sex crazed party on the way into the building there is a sign that states 'ALL EXITS WILL BE FINAL' meaning once you go in you never go out. Maybe Alice was groomed from young into the party. Nicole Kidmans dad was convicted for paedophile case in regards to Fiona Barnett. Maybe all the other women at the party were groomed into that cult from young. I think Alice decided that its better for her daughter to be trafficked to the handlers at the end of the movie as a form of compensation for the loss of Mandy instead of an even more dire consequence to them and their family. Its better to have something and know what the deal is than an anxiety inducing, unexpected circumstance. Such as Helena never being seen again. Whereas at least Alice knows that Helena will be a missing child for a fews days until she is 'found again' with a phony story. When the reality was Helena went to a crash course cult grooming session with the 3 people at Ziegler party so she too would follow suit of her mum and become a cult member. At one point Alice teaches Helena a maths question and it was about which man make will make more money implying her materialistic (inverted pentagram,elements controlling the soul as oppose to the soul guiding the elements). I think there was many diamonds in the missing 24 minutes such as military complex owners, high ranking politicians, bankers being at the party and the scenes of how Mandy was sacrificed. Also raunchier orgy scenes. The 3 guys were definitely about to ask Helena (who Alice didn't even look at when Helena looked at her for reassurance when walking away because Alice couldn't reassure her) what Christmas gift would she like to be bought for her. Which is an act of grooming

The main clue that Alice was part of the sex cult was the title sequence. She was getting dressed in not her apartment without any underwear on.

I love running a batch to this movie.

After years of thinking it through, I can't say I reached certain conclusions, but here they are in summary: - Concerning deleted footage: It is something we will never be certain of. If this footage exists, only a very selected group of people would know about it, possibily the two stars and the executives at WB when K screened his final cut for the first time. Kidman and Cruise never again spoke about this film after the obliged promoting at the time, which I found very strange. Not a word, even by mistake, in 20 odd years, I mean you worked for the last film of the greatest director of all time, seems odd. About the content I don't Know, I don't think it goes as long as 20 or so minutes, my best guess is that it could picture something related to pedophilia, without being too graphic (not in K style), simply because in that party every possible sexual perversion is depicted, except that. If the studios would cut something, it would be that, not doubt. It could explain the involvement of Kidman (research her father) and the abduction of Helena, at the end of the movie. About that: I am a strong believer of that possibility. The presence of two men we saw much early at the "light" party of Ziegler and that "butler" at the same time is highly suspicious to me. There are no coincidences in K's movies. Along with the strange look Helena give to his parents, as if she's asking permission to walk away, along with the gentle push Alice is giving her in that direction. Of course Bill is clueless for the entire movie, self-absorbed in repairing damage with his wife, but she knows exactly what is going on. Possibily few seconds were cut in order to made the scene as swift as possibile, I feel the scene is a little too quick for K, but I could be wrong on this. Then the infamous "Fuck" line: To me is not some provocative gimmick by K in order to lighten up the ending, to me it has a clear and more disturbing meaning. Think about it, why does she say to him that they absolutely have to have sex? Seems out of place, but it's not. They have to "fuck" because the price they are paying to the elite in order to not suffer any dire consequences is Helena. The elite claimed Helena, they accepted the deal, probably Alice told the child that when she sees a certain couple of man she has to go with them without question and that explains the strange look she gave to her parents and the gentle push. In order to restart a new life and have a new child of course they have to have sex, to fuck. 'Cause Helena is gone, for their own sake. Maybe Bill doesn't even know this, because the interlocutor for the elite is Alice and she's telling him right in that moment. FInally, about Alice being part of the elite sluts: I do not have a clear feeling about this, but to me it seems that she could have been part of it in the past, maybe even before meeting Bill, but I don't know. Too far-fetched? Maybe, we will never know, definitely K wanted some messages to come across, no doubt about it, maybe more for "them" than for "us". Great work!

Yes I do think that Alice is in from the beginning and on the movie cover it shows only one of her eyes which represents that is in a cult

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You forgot something The 2 old gentlemen were shown also in the party when bill on his way to save mendy

I like Theory Number Two.

Is there a way to email you? I have a very very lengthy Wordpress document explaining all the Masonic ties and symbolism found in the film and explaining in great detail how Bill traverses through all 33 degrees of SR Masonry. Very interesting stuff and I think you’ll find it an interesting read. Loved this video series btw it has completely opened my eyes to this great film that can mean so many things on the surface level and taking a deeper look is often revelatory. EWS has cemented its place in the top 4 of my letterboxd account indefinitely.

In Italy eyes wide shut became REALITY

This is like the Bohemian Grove. The triangle club.

The ”red man” is significanthe The Romanian Priest as Enchanter. The film is related to the practice of "opening the Holy Book in Romania" not found in any cult book and is contrary to the rules established by the Church. Is a reverse fragment from Romania Orthodox Holy Liturgy.

That mystery shopper following Helena looks a bit like a mid-20s Leon Vitale to me.

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Unless Kubrick shot the missing minutes that wasn’t in his script. The studio didn’t know until they watched the first cut

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2:23 your right bill does look like tom Cruise 😂😂

8 pointed star at the first party

Dire consequences.

A lot of the supposed nuance of this film was ironically torpedoed by the use of Tom and Nicole which took you out of the film and its bigger ideas instantly.

Eyes wide shut movie shows the truth. It isnt a theory.

Love me some Nicole Kidman

sounds like dr steve brule

Huh? Yeah, it's adapted from Traumnovelle but that doesn't disprove anything. The book also refers to the elite society, it's been alluded to for centuries.

Bill is Esther Vilar’s Manipulated Male

Well, Alice is just the selfish one!

Need more Ninth Gate videos

Is that censored 20 minute portion still intact or has it been destroyed?

Think of all the woman as children too

Of course she's the villain, she's a ginger, they're all evil!

I read there's a missing 20ish minutes or so cut out of the actual party that gave away some secrets supposedly, and that got him offed

Alice ain’t 💩 😂

Theories are fun "what if...?" scenarios, but it seems like some people actually think they hold weight... It's been a minute since I've watched the film, but was there any indication that there were female members of the society? Seemed to be full of old white men with women there strictly for play things. And i'm supposed to believe the one female member we're presented with in the film is also married to the protagonist, and not old? These fan theories are so amateur hour in terms of writing tbh. It was all a dream, classic throwaway twist.

Blaming Alice, shocking

The Incel Theories.

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It's painfully obvious that those who throw around ridiculous conspiracies about the film are either unaware that it is based on a 100 year old novel or they know, but think that the film is wildly different from the book. Either way, they haven't read the book because if they had they'd see that Kubrick was remarkably faithful to it, much more so than with any other of his adaptations. That means that there is no room for the crazy theories to breath, not that those with such ideas firmly fixed in their heads will be convinced.

Jeffrey Epstein and Eyes Wide Shut Movie!!! (1999) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qt2Hp5ZovpO5mHU.html Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell featuring from the beggining of the scene till Alice goes to the toilet!!! Way toooooooo coincidential ain't it!!!

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