Have you considered doing Nebula?

Not so much that they reduce the strength of the radar return, more so they scatter the waves. More a dilution of the return if you will.

YF-23's fuel economy would have paid for the price difference in costs between the two. You forgot to mention the Pratt and Whitney engines in YF-23 are the same used in the F-22 now. YF-23 should have been choosen by the US Navy due to its fuel economy alone. Also it should be noted that even without thrust vectoring. The YF-23's aggressive V tails could match the F-22's thrust vectoring. Don't get me wrong, I love both the F-22 and YF-23. But it was such a waste not to use the YF-23 in some capacity.

Biden says white supremacy is the ultimate threat. F22 has got nothing on Biden.

No, this is not true at all. The F-15 is the king of Air Supremacy. The F-22 is the king of Air Dominance, which is the next thing up. Air dominance means nothing flies at all unless we say it flies.

I see you like to cross lines.

I'm going to tell him

It puts the stealth coating on its skin or it gets the radar again.

Is that asbestos? Doesnt smell like it

@@Qballl this is the reason why everybody calls hr on you.

I'm a simple man, I see a comment about liking the F-22, I click like.

My and my besf friend sat outside RAF Lakenheath where 6 f22 landed we freaked out😂😂

My brother works at Fort Hill Air Force Base in Utah, and his house is on the south end of the runway so we can sit and watch these things pretty much anytime I go visit. He hates them because they’re loud as hell.

Same all men see f-22 and have a trouser accident

I have to agree👍

So only the US has any F-22's? I didn't know that, are there any other examples like this? What about the F-35 II?

​@agrxda yes lots of examples. Off top of head, B2, F117. F35 is the first stealth plane sold to US allies.

Reason why the F22 wasn't sold was because it was too expensive. And the program shut down to make way for the JSF program that went on to produce the F35. Lockheed did offer Japan a F22/F35 hybrid, but they declined Edit: Im going to need everyone from here on out (Jan 9th, 2024) to know that you aren't the first to reply to me. And I sincerely don't give a hot fuck about what you have to say.

​@@theyrealltaken3B1, A10...

@chollyappleseed1969 bullshit, the Act passed during the Clinton administration was just an after thought. While the F22 was being designed in the 80s I bet my left nut Lockheed had full intentions to sell to foreign markets. We've all been fed the revisionist history version of events

It was a waste of money, it done nothing apart from the odd air show ! More money for the industrial military complex!!

@@paulparker8298 Ignorance is bliss

@@paulparker8298waste of money? It’s still the best jet for air dominance in the world .

@@zenithskull And do you like to pay for stuff to impress your friends out of your paycheck or your friends paycheck?

that is the best story I've ever heard totally agree 💯

Airforce: We want a purebred dog fighter that runs like a grey hound, wrestles like a pit bull, sneaks like an alley cat and has the general personality of a Chihuahua. Lockheed: What was our budget again? Airforce: Yes...

@@ianardo127 i think the sheer amount of deterrence it provided while being known that it was stationed their contributes to its great service record

Im not sure a stationary weather balloon counts...

And they don't crash all the time because they actually were designed right. 🤣

It's teeth with wings and a cloaking device...

God I bet you know all the secrets. I wish I could hear them. But you gotta keep it secret

Not really! He can’t share the actual performance parameters with his old man!

lol Why would you bet that 🤣🤣@@camcam-uw5mx

God I would be terrified if my kid was a military pilot. Until I found out it was a raptor. That is awesome! Also the training pilot have to have is crazy. I'm sure it's even crazier to be the pilot of the most dangerous plane ever made.

There are no 2 seaters so his maiden flight was solo…in today’s dollars a $400 million aircraft. He said he white knuckled it all the way! Yea, the training is incredible but the simulators are best in the world. His training at Tyndall is valued at 1.5mil. His wing commander told me Raptor pilots are the top 1/2 of 1% of all fighter pilots. Truly elite.

Yeah. It's very American. I prefer 'Russian Warship, go * yourself!', but it's still a pretty good choice. I was also quite fond of 'I intend to sink your ship', which I'm paraphrasing, but it's a US Navy commander during Operation Praying Mantis against the 'Iranian Navy' in 1988.

Nothing like some trillion dollar buttons. Youknow... Instead of healthcare, pensions, freedom or rights. Plenty of buttons tho. Its easy for people who pay down their house and has a whole career to love the military in all its splendor. And not consider the INSANE cost it has. On behalf of the entire rest of the country. I know. I grew up inside a military airforce. My grandfather ran the whole place.

@@janusha2253 What the fuck are you even talking about? Only 13% of the Federal budget is spent on defense and most of that is on things like paying peoples' salaries and, you know, securing things like global maritime security that keeps global shipping running. Over half of the Federal budget is spent on SS, Medicare/Medicaid/etc, Veteran benefits and so on. Not on buttons.

your dad is cool as shit. respect

​@@janusha2253freedom isn't free.

The f-35 might be the more practical and capable aircraft in the context of today's wars and "the smartest thing with wings", but the 22 is without a doubt the deadliest thing in the sky in a 1-on-1 cage match.

*cough* P-38 *cough* Yeah, it’s a WWII plane but damn, is it gorgeous! America’s top ace in WWII flew it against Japan.

Incredibly expensive….. today they’re about $200,000,000 each or something ridiculous like that…. That’s why they are not being built any longer and NOBODY but the US will ever fly one

@@Glostahdude There are rumors about how like the B-2 the F-22 didn't like operating from anything but pristine airfields without a speck of sand in sight. That and all parties were going to make way more money off the USA taxpayer with the F-35 project. The F-35 is awesome and all but all that money should have been funneled into a next gen drone / satellite program. The F-35 hopefully is just a stopgap to true AI assisted drone fighter / attack aircraft instead of being the boondoggle of the century like the BF-109 and A6M were.

used to be capable but now most of them are being scrapped

Major Chad move. The fact that your not worth a missile

A fitting unofficial slogan:)

Except a su 57.

​@@crazygamingyt7245 yeah all 12 of them in existence.

I am tired of this air-to-air balloon vegan ass diet. I need some meat in my diet.

Ah yes, that silly ol' mach 2 bumble bee is at it again.

At range, the F-22 probably doesn't even show up. Really it's the bay doors opening that gives it away. And that's not taking into account the fact that we're in the age of Beyond Visual Range engagements. It's more "Surprise! You're DEAD!".

Really though, this isn't accurate. The F-22 can, in fact, be seen on radar. The stealth aspect really refers to getting reliable targeting locks on it. At a distance, long-range missiles have difficulty tracking it and it's easy for them to lose it. It's also not like the bumblebee RCS is constant, but at the right angle. Basically, you can see it on radar, know where it generally is, but be unable to effectively stop it with conventional SAMs like the Russian S-400 or out-of-sight A2A missiles like the R-37.

@@Indyofthedead The only radars that can see it outside of about 20-30 km are large, ground-based, low-frequency radars. The best they can do is try to vector fighters to that general vicinity. Good fighter aircraft radars can see it when it gets closer, but by that time, they’ve already been inside the F-22’s missile range for a while. And there’s no guarantee it will be seen at all even when it gets close, unless the other aircraft is pointed at it. (It snuck up right next to two Iranian aircraft once and told them to go home. They did). Long-range missiles will never get a lock, and an R-37 can’t hit a fighter at long range anyway unless it’s flying too low to maneuver or just isn’t aware of it. What you described about missiles having difficulty tracking it is what happens at short range. And getting an IR shot is very difficult because of the IR shielding. You’d basically have to get right behind it within a few km for an IR missile shot, and good luck getting in that position.

​@@bluemarlin8138R-37M can hit fighter sized targets. Ukis confirmed that a Russian Su-57 dombed MiG from the Russian border.

And they don’t even let it demo it’s best stuff because it’s classified.

Lol stop, they're not X-Wings. The raptor is demonstrably not as maneuverable as several other air platforms flying today. It's "best stuff" comes in the form of electronically powered hydraulics, software, and construction material. It doesn't have super secret special moves nobody is allowed to see. The physics of aviation are fairly straightforward. You know what a plane can do by its shape, thrust ratio, and that's about all you need to calculate its maximum performance ceilings.@@James7995

The raptor cannot **do** any "X-box style maneuvers that seem impossible," at all. It can do the same air-crobatics that virtually any fighter can do, and that's all the people planning the airshow would have allowed for. That's all the companies insuring the acts would allow. You don't see next-level "impossible" shit. I've seen the raptor before most Americans, and more times than most Americans. It definitively is not that maneuverable, lol. It's not designed to dogfight, rather kill something from thousands of miles away. Maybe your "X-box style maneuvers" are based on... wait for it... real life shit?

I think your getting confused. You're talking bout the f35. The f22 was made to solely be an air dominance fighter and dog fighter. No jet is made to shoot something thousands of miles away. The f22 is made to fight bvr or wvr. It can out turn anything in the u.s. and out maneuver any American fighter.

​@@michaelbartley9572you do know that its literally the most maneuverable plane on the face of the planet! And the most stealthy fighter out there this thing can ruin your day before you even see it or they can go toe to toe and absolutely dominate anything in the skies! There's a reason Congress made it a rule to not sell it to ANYONE including allies because the plane is that fucking deadly and odds most of the time in a warzone if you see it you weren't the target.

Did you play the one by novalogic?

@@cwaite85 yeah, but Jane’s was my go to. that definitely racked up the playtime. and then when HAWX came out I loved that one just cause they let you fly the SR-71 even though that didn’t make any sense lol

It's 1-0 vs balloons...

​@@goldeternalRussians/Chinese triggered!

@@weewillywonga Yeah king of killing ballons lol

Something about it, you just have to gaze lovingly at it.

@@christophergreen3538 I've got chills... they're multiplying

The silhouette and body lines are both an engineering and design dream. Long live the raptor

it does look absolutely stunning. however, i'm a eurofighter stan

Love the F-22, but I grew up with Top Gun. F-14 baby!

The greatest weapon is one that never has to be fired.

I just blew my own mind thinking of the Thunderbirds flying F-22s!

Problem was the weapons bay. TheWarZone goes deep into its problems.

Problem was the weapons bay. TheWarZone goes deep into its problems.

then why do we have F-22s not F-23s ???? HMM HMM HMMM ???? no it was not in any metric better .

@DarkKatzy013 because the air force prioritized maneuverability over other attributes. And the F22 was designed in a different time for a different battlefield than the one we're in now.

There are all kinds of rumors. One rumor is that the Air Force awarded Lockheed Martin the ATF contract because they'd already awarded Northrop Grumman the B-2. The USA only has three military aircraft manufacturers left (Boeing being the other), and the Air Force wants to keep all of them around for the sake of competition.

was it F22 Air Dominance Fighter by D.O.D. ?

In the 90’s? How tf, it hadn’t even entered service

The F-22 was public knowledge all the way back into its testing. There were a lot of F-22 Sims in the 90s. I remember playing F-22 Lightning 3 as a kid, Wiki page here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Lightning_3

​@@k_dawg7475I played the hell out of that sim back in the 90s. My favorite mission was "Harpoon Ship Kill." Bunch of hostile ships just existing as target rich environment for the raptor.

​@@canebrakeruffian1122I had this SIM in the early 2000s. It was my intro to PC Sims. It was ahead of its time and a blast to play. Getting to drop B-61 tactical nukes was fun too.

If i had a bean, i'd be flickin' it

Think about how funny this comment is. A person leaves a comment on a video they haven't watched. And do not leave a comment after watching it.

Yo. I bugged them for months to make a YF-23 vid. They've done it, check it out!

Imagine the outcry when someone did to the US what the US does to Iran.

_”THIS HANGER’S A FUCKING PRISON!!!!”_

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

F-23 production would have been cutback after the collapse of the Soviet Union, then cancelled by the late 2000s, just like the F-22, and probably sooner if it proved even more expensive.

It is pretty much the definition of overmatching. It will likely never see combat because there's nothing else out there that would warrant unleashing this beast on, but that knowledge alone keeps would be finders-out from fucking around Edit: need to specify air to air combat

uh, no shit?

Or when more balloons turn up! lol

I can imagine always keeping a few tucked away, hidden, parked in the hangar under the wings of a B2.

Idk, I think the US government definitely use these a LOT more than we think. With the radar cross section of a literal bumblebee, who would ever know? That quote at the beginning of the video about the Iranian pilots not able to detect the F-22 when it was literally right under them says it all imo

For now*

@@Crim1_ till the NGAD comes out

Trump thinks they’re invisible

​@@usernotfound904 Biden sends them after balloons

@@usernotfound904 basically are

​@Google Account hey a Russian bot in wild lmao

​@Google Account The Su-57 is objectively a heap of garbage compared to F-22 and F-35. It's the runt of the fifth-generation litter.

Oh man that’s awesome, I grew up on Air Force bases and going to airshows but I haven’t been to one in 35 years.

@@GoogleAccount-ci6ne Yeah I don’t think I’d argue this one, I’ve seen videos, so yes it can perform parlor tricks better than the American fighters.

@@DumbAmerican67 the question is how many can they build and maintain? how much seat time are those felon pilots getting compared to their raptor counterparts? also supermaneuvrability doesn't really matter in BVR, but it does look super cool

Is it? I haven't heard that. Where did you get your info(I'm not saying it's not true)

Because each was pushing the envelope in terms of technology, the YF-23 was probably going to be more expensive than expected too. It's one thing to built F-16's and F/A-18's when you already have F-15's and F-14's. It's another to take a huge jump in technology. Nobody has come close to matching the F-22's stealth. I'm not sure about the utility of some extra speed and I don't know the YF-23's super cruise ability. It seems like the US has never tried to match the Russians in top end speed. But the ability to sustain high speeds without burning all your fuel seems good.

@@dextermorgan1 I've seen it in several places (don't remember the sites) that the NGAD has already flown. It just hasn't been unveiled to the world.

​@@recoil53F16s and F18 ironically were the cost efficient replacements for the F14 and f15 iirc, much like the F35 was supposed to be the low cost version of the F22 to meet the US military'"high low" mix. The big difference in my opinion between the YF22 and YF23 is the YF22 ultimately had the working weapons bay, something not required for the demonstrator that was completely lacking for the YF23 demonstrator, iirc. It was a move by Lockheed to show they were potentially closer to completed product

The YF-23 was slightly better in stealth, a much better combat range, it wasn't faster than the F-22. However the Raptor had a higher supercruise, better avionics, more agile and better sustained turn rate. That and Lockheed had better history with production. The other area that helped the F22 win the contract in the end, was the fact that the F22 completed all its testing milestones , in particular areas like weapons, demonstrating high angles of attack and executing maneuvers that put more than 9g's of stress on the airframe. Lastly Northrop had a rough reputation at the time and was seen as even less trustworthy than Lockheed as far production and cost overrun's, and they were already producing an airframe ( F\A-18 ) where as Lockheed wasn't.

This is why everybody calls HR on you.

Flawless combat record against who? You mean third world militaries using 1970s technology. They have never come against a serious military with advanced AD or modern aircraft. When they arrive in Ukraine, watch them get blown out of the sky in industrial numbers

I was there too. Very impressed with it.

Hah, I was there too. Definitely the best part of the show.

What were you in?

Generally, their ordinance is meant to be fired from far outside visual range. So yes, you would have never even known they were there.

@@pigeonpoo1823 subaru outback 🤣

​@@readrothbard153a classic fighter jet 😅😅

And a total waste of taxpayer dollars.

@@fr2ncm9 Found Obama

You should do stand-up comedy.

Funny how the only times anyone ever sees an F-22 is at an airshow, isnt it. They never got used in any combat situation. Because they were not built to be actually used in war. A trillion dollar failure if there ever was one.

@@janusha2253 also they weren’t part of the air show they were stationed literally at a military base that was hosting an air show for WW2 combat planes

What a naive take. Is the F-35 unmanned? 🤦🏼‍♂️

@@jessehachey2732 him naive? A computer is better in every way at flying a plane than a human. In fact cutting edge craft like the F-35 are already basically flown by computers with the pilot more giving directions - a human can't fly them without the computer correcting inputs and managing stability. It's guaranteed that in the near future that they will be unmanned and mostly autonomous because that's the limitation of modern aircraft... the pilot.

I have to disagree. It's a useless aircraft. The f-15 already out classes everything built. And the F-22 outclasses the f-15.

​@landywilson That's the point. The idea of American air dominance isn't just to have the best, it's to have such an incredible, overwhelming, insurmountable edge that just the existence of fighters like F-22, F-35, and in the future NGAD, deters the possibility of war ever breaking out.

@@landywilson Not at all. It's deterence factor is so immense that it makes possible for enemies avoid a fight. All we have to do is announce they've been deployed in a certain area, for a certain reason and people start getting a bit more careful about acting in the aggressive manner that they might've been doing in the skies before.

@@vampiro4236 we get the same results with less expensive platforms, that will not be surpassed anytime soon. The F-22 is an amazing airplane, but was built to fight an enemy that will never exist.

​@@landywilsonbetter to have a gun and not use it, than to not have a gun..

They had some training dogfights between the F-15 and the F-22. The F-15 is no slouch. The F-15 pilot said after a few minutes going toe to toe with the F-22 you find you're out of fuel, out of speed, and out of options. This is when the F-15 pilot knows exactly where the F-22 is.

@@protorhinocerator142right behind you

😂

Funny how the only time this plane is used, is to do flyover at airshows, isnt it. To get the crowd chanting USA, USA, USA, USA. But the trillion dollar plane was deemed a complete failure and completely unusuable for a war scenario. It was never used. Despite all the fairytales you have been told.

I'd love to see one in person.

I'm more interested in how u lived on a sailboat for 15 years

I think the issue with the F-22 is that there isn’t really a lot available to the public. There is more available about the F-35 and it’s a more recent aircraft

it's got a p in it's lane that's all we know

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Actually... Megaprojects covered it 9 months ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i6uSpMWVs6eYpYk.html

I love that plane as well

Megarojects did a video on the Euro Fighter Typhoon nine months ago.

Euro Fighter Typhoon is probably my favorite fighter along side the Mirage III and F-14 Tomcat. Funny enough the F-22 and F-35 don't crack the top 5 and that's coming from an American.

Nothing like a good old fashioned gunfight

I wouldn't say it comes down to actual gun dogfight, but could definitely see engagements closing to visual range for infrared homing missiles.

As it turned out, no one has gotten stealth capabilities even close to the F-22, but Lockheed-Martin didn’t know that when they designed it. Missiles have also come a long way since the 90s, and are much more capable and reliable now. That said, it’s better for a fighter to have a gun if possible, because you never know. The F-22 could easily afford the weight, so there wasn’t a good reason not to include it.

@@Ethan0433 this is true for the moment. But there are techniques being developed that are making it more difficult for heat seekers to accurately target an aircraft too. In a visual range engagement, it's always better to have that gun at your disposal than to not have the option.

Crazy that in about a century we went from figuring out how to fly to making supersonic stealth jets 😅

"I don't know how but you get creepier everytime I talk to you."

yep

Here's one that shows the US's technological dominance - China stole terabyte on terabyte of data from US stealth programs. The best they can do is the J-20, with a radar cross section of 0.1m^2. The F-22 is .0001, the F/A-18 Super Hornet (not stealth) is 1m^2. So the J-20 is 10X better than the Super Hornet, but 1000X worse than the F-22 in spite of the data.

@@recoil53 Imitation is the finest form of flattery!

@@arctictiger8690 Yes, but it shows how difficult stealth really is. The Russians had the crashed F-117 and the Chinese all that data and still can't manage stealth.

@@recoil53 indeed

If you know the numbers, it speaks more to just how little our enemies spend on their military compared to what we're told. The entire world spends $1.92 trillion on defense. NATO, which is about 1 billion people (out of the total 8 billion people on the planet), spends $1.1 trillion. And of that $1.1 trillion, Americans spend well over $800 billion. You've been lied to about how powerful our enemies are. China only spends about $250 billion, and Russia is only $60 billion.

It turns out to have been quite a blunder to end production. And to ban all export sales, something that could've kept the production lines going longer and reduced per-unit cost significantly.

I mean to be honest the Air Force probably doesn't even need any more of them. There is hardly anyone that could even fight the current fleet

I seriously doubt the F-15EX would be used for wild weasel missions. It’s too new and expensive to paint a target on it. Best to keep using the F-16, since it’s cheaper and more maneuverable (easier to evade missiles). We will probably see it used as a missile truck for the F-35.

Forcing the USAF to get involved in the F35 program, though only to offset the cost overruns with increased purchase #'s, was a huge mistake.

You are correct. At first when 'stealth' was a new technology the AF wanted everything to have it....but then the realities of producing and maintaining them made them come to their senses and realize that they are only needed in a contested airspace and once the SAM's have been neutralized along with whatever aircraft the enemy might be fool enough to send aloft...that the bulk of the war can be fought with 4th Gen aircraft which can be flown cheaper and replaced easier. Any 'peer on near-peer' conflict is going to involve losing lots of aircraft no matter how superior they are and an extended conflict always grinds down to a contest of production rather than technology. Hopefully we'll get it over quickly if we're ever involved in such a war and not be like Russia and Ukraine meat grinder in the trenches.

@@hermanosamuel8744 Spoken as someone Who doesn’t understand the F-35 and just regurgitates memes

22 isn't a ground attack fighter like the A-6 or F-111.

The USAF didn’t cut the F-35 order. It delayed some of the F-35s until Block IV is ready, because they have a lot of very advanced capabilities that will have to be worked into older models over time. The F-15 EX isn’t replacing even a single F-35. It’s replacing older models of the F-15 so that it can take some pressure off the F-22 fleet, which has more wear and tear than it was projected to because the order was cut down. You’re correct that stealth is needed less after SEAD missions take out enemy air defenses, but we can’t guarantee we’ll get them all, and stealth is still quite useful against enemy fighters. The F-35 can also carry nearly as much as the F-15 when using external hard points in non-stealth mode.

The F-35 has a helmet mounted visor and exterior sensors that can project an image like they're looking through the cockpit as well as targeting by looking for the AIM-9X. F-22 doesn't have these features but isn't really hampered by this in its' lethality.