Hasn't the F-22 killed just about every jet now? I think you gotta go through all the warbirds now.

Mosquito VS Pucara F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk F-15 STOL/MTD VS F-16I Sufa Fox2 dogfight! SA342 Gazelle VS Super Tucano air to air missiles! MB-339 Aerimacchi VS Viggen T-45 Goshawk VS F-14 Tomcat MIG-28 VS MIG-29 AV-8 Harrier VS MIG-23 Flogger F-86 Sabre VS SU-25 FrogFoot MIG-19 VS MIG-21 AH-64 Apache VS Mi-24 Hind Please fly the Planes on the left😁👍

Lol I've been at it with these request for quite a while!😅

Next Ukrainian mig 29 vs russian mig 29 please

F-22 Raptor VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR!👍👍

Nani?!

Time for the old P-51 to teach his grandson a lesson!

We like to call it the “old fashion way.”

Wanda: "what radar?"

Surely that is a reference to The Superhero movie 🤣 "My blade can cut through diamonds" "I'm not wearing any diamonds!"

I'm hedging my bets on the cessna, the cessna is clearly the ultimate tenth gen star destroyer

The Cessna will clap the entire US Air Force, it’s just too good.

Cessna vs sr71

Hahaha:)

Unfair fight. Cessna would obviously win.

Top Gun 2.5: Piston Sidewinder Any better title would be appreciated.

It's not the plane....it's the pilot.

It wasn't insane. It was just cringe. Felt like the movie ran out of ideas and went "welp, time to act retard now"

Don't think....just do.

*PROCEEDS TO GUN DOWN F-22 WITH A MUSTANG* Like a chad

Actually I would agree with that. That’s a pretty good assessment.

@@johnnyl.4468 Probably none, the metallurgy alone was decades ahead, then the flight computers are pure magic by comparison, they might figure out jet engines quicker, but it would take years to decipher how the f22 functions.

@@leftnut7508 Jet engines were already a thing in WWII.

@@benn454 He doesn't say that jet engines did not exist.

@@johnnyl.4468 who is to say they didn't ( ͡° ل͜ ͡°)

I laughed way too hard at that 😂

😂

Oshkosh 2023 be wildin

I like that one.

Omg

The P 51 has a much sharper turning radius. Of course, still very impressive. I

F22 still easily out turns everything the difference in pilot skill was just huge

In WW2 German pilots in the invasion of Poland were told hit the polish bi planes on the ground, do NOT get in a dogfight with them because they can turn on a dime.

@@imjustspeakingfactsbro4189 Nope. The F-22 cannot out turn the P-51. No sir.

@@foobarmaximus3506 couldnt the F22 just bvr the shit out of him?

Welcome to the channel man

This shit won't work. P-51 is somewhat agile and capable of dogfight. P-38 was good only because they have been used it in big masses and when they had an advantage of speed.

P-38 lightning vs F-35 lightning 2. Dog fight, turn only with only guns. Let's see if the kid isn't a disgrace to the name.

@@MariaCorrea-mr2gy So you're giving the P-38 all the advantages? If I was piloting F-35 against P-38, I'd say "screw you" to the "turn only" rule and just climb high and then dive down at the P-38. It can't keep up in climb, and neither against a diving jet.

@@Laerei I mean, obviously. You could also just speed out, then speed back in over and over again until you get a hit.

You crazy son of b*tch, you did it!

At long last, the legend may rest.

So... day 1 of asking GS to do a GAZ AAA milk truck versus an F22?

👀

lmfao

Considering he just downed a raptor using nothing but manoeuvring, in grandpa's ww2 propeller plane, him even making it back at all is a huge win.

@@Megan-ii4gf There's a purple heart, distinguished flying cross, and DD-214 ready for him on the ground lmao

Staniel B that disability check gonna hit different.

@@stanielb2005 ....and a ticket on the next smoking thing back to the States!

Not TO silly, evidently. It worked.

@@greggstrasser5791 oath, im genuinely impressed he had that level of commitment lol

I freaked out when I saw this comment because we share first and last names. I thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a second.

@@SHARDK2 haha freaky shit

P51 is legendary....

That was a lucky kill let’s be honest

@@GVK-jm9sg that was extreme over confidence on the part of the F22 pilot. One thing I was always told by old WW2 pilots I was friends with (RIP). There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are very few, old bold pilots.

It’s not the plane … it’s the pilot!!!!! Lolol

“Sir you can’t park there”

yeah it was surprising, especially considering how the f-22 appears to usually not give a shit about gravity or the laws of physics

[Insert AMRAAM Here] I know the f22 was only allowed fox-2s but still lol

The Raptor intercepting the p-51 probably cost more than the p-51 itself I looked it up and today the p-51 cost around 9 times as much, but producing it cost 7 times less than the missile.

@@apex_blue you can deside, starting the f22 egines ir buing a p51 back in the day xD

the pilot was more expensive than both though, which is why you don't see countries swarming each other with the 3000 black jets of allah and bankrupting the enemy over air-to-air missile costs

@@DeeSnow97 at least western pilots eastern pilots are questionable

@@DeeSnow97 everything about military is just fucking expensive, from personal training to the equipment

Fun fact. It hit so hard it went all the way to China and that’s how we got the J-20

​@@creepycraiyons3519😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

lose

@@tnhl77 Apache VS F-22 Apache wins.

@@DSiren As long as GS is flying it, I don't doubt it

Rafale 😇

@@DSiren "oh god merged I'm taking him one circle"

THOSE ARE 5TH GEN FIGHTERS

@@DeSadGuy bro those two kills we’re lucky you know that was the pilot

@@DeSadGuy If you quote Topgun, you gotta put a Dollar in the Beer Fund bowl.

Yep. I didn't understand why the Raptor wasn't using his main advantage (other than the Sidewinders) of speed to make slashing attacks on the Mustang. Come in at speed, take a shot and then climb. The Mustang shouldn't be able to match the climb.

@@longshot7601 Its like someone with an AR-15 tried to do a spinning jump quickscope, tripped, and someone ran up and stabbed him. " See!!!! knives are just as deadly as a battle rifle!"

And then be proceeds to outrate it, forcing it vertical, and into a fatal divebomb.

Ya but it is only a simulation my man always acts like his actual aircraft is on the line

That's the kind of optimistic friend we all need.

@@reboundrides8132 This. A lot of people here dont realize there had to be parameters for this fight limiting the raptor. For instance in a rate fight with the p51 hit the afterburner get ur 500knts and go vertical, fights over for the p51. Same thing from the start. On the merge hit the afterburner go vertical stall the p51 and roll over. Definitely limits set on the raptor

The damage in the engine probably lead to a overheat, that lead to a catastrophic failure, probably by some piece that broke and all engine went jamm. I saw something like this in a car, it's scary AF. Sully clenched so hard, probably could make diamonds with the pressure.

@@brunoks6951 he was leaking oil all over.

I was laughing my ass off. This dude is awesome to watch. Very precise in the way he assesses situations. But that part was hilarious 😂

I enjoyed the end of the landing roll to see the oil pouring out of the engine.

Ah thanks for the info dude i have the same problem but i could find a way to search it i have one more slight problem if i put my flaps im lossing too much speed and i could stall out and not able to recover it falling like a leaf although i know the counter vertical stabilization in the left or in the right respectively

I would imagine that the same could apply in something like IL-2 right? it is also very highly simulated so I have to imagine such factors should be similar.

@@commandergeokam2868 if you're slowing down that much, you need to unload the wings, defeat the stall, clean up the flaps if necessary, and get some energy back.

20 degree flaps can make the difference. In IL-2 at least

@@wruenvadam yeah, it works. Hell, it works in warthunder. Flaps artificially reduce AoA at the cost of energy, and so they allow for you to continue turning when you would normally stall due to airflow seperation.

nah he's just overcome with emotion from taking down an f22. Best day of his life.

Dunno about anyone doing that, but it would be a much harder matchup. IR imaging, colossal advantage in armour and firepower, much better mobility in any scenario. Best bet, I think, would be something with a huge gun with HE shell that can lay in ambush and get one shot in side or rear. Best 'tanks' for this, from the top of my mind, would be either the Sturer Emil or the ISU152. Big guns, huge HE shells, can have a low profile (hull down for the Sturer Emil; its pretty huge otherwise).

Aye, aircraft have to be somewhat fragile; other considerations like speed, manouverability, stealth, carrying ordanance etc. trumps making the aircraft impervious to damage, which is likely to be impossible anyhow. I think big WW2 HE shell is the way to go; most modern AT missiles have 5-10kg warheads with advanced penetrating capabilities. The ISU-152s shells, by comparison, are not any form of advanced, but they are HUGE; the HE shells carry almost 30kgs of explosive filler..... I dont care what you're riding, you're gonna feel it! Of course, a frontal shot on any kind of M1 is futile; at best you'll hit the gun and render it inoperable, but thats not a recommended course of action with WW2 sights and accuracy..... But a side or rear shot, engine and tracks can be damaged, and if you can make an M1 a sitting duck, well, both the Emil and the ISU doubles as artillery pieces and can pull back to pummel it with artillery shells until those inside have either fled or died. Funny thing is, one disadvantage the M1 has is that it requires more or less direct line of fire - quite a few WW2 guns, especially the big ones that doubles as artillery pieces, has significant shell drop and can lob shells in ways the M1 just cant.

@@bjrneirikstrkersen1021 - Ukrainians regularly use their tanks in an indirect fire role against Russian army. With the help of UAV for fire correction and custom fire control software they manage to hit the targets at up to 8 km. I am quite sure that M1 could do the same if needed.

@@lattegremo6016 but there is quite a minimum distance for the M1 though, like 8 km is probably the smallest distance a fairly modern tank can 'lob' a shell.

It wouldn't even be closer. Modern tanks armor is way more advanced. They are faster and more maneuverable. But the big differntiation is that they can target better and engage in more environments and distance. The only way a WW2 tank would have a shred of a shot is if they had numbers and an ambush. Lots of people have analyzed this.

“When she’s way outta your league” 😂

A10 🤮

@@MrRushhour4 that thing is the most badass plane ever created

@@pyro7358 Its also complete outdated junk, that has been obsolete for over a decade

@@MrRushhour4 and yet it has more kills in the last 20 years then any other fighter/CAS jet

@@YOSHI450R against tents and toyotas...

Heck hit with 2 missiles and didn’t even explode. Crazy

P-51's are no strangers to taking 20mm cannon fire. German aircraft had 2 if not 3 of them mounted on the 190 and 109's depending on the model.

@@kindofawizard8681 the fire rate also matters - a Vulcan has a far, far higher fire rate than German WW2 20mms

@@kindofawizard8681 Zeroes carried a 20mm as well.

@@flyingscotsman9657 One Vulcan has about double the rate of fire as 4x20mm cannon on a FW-190 A6 for example. Half a Vulcan is still a lot of firepower, even if the muzzle velocity is 30% lower ;)

@@pogo1140 Gloriously filmed without CGI.

I wish I could take credit for that but I think there was a lot of luck involved in that shot.

@@GrowlingSidewinder Luck is what others call skill when they don't have any. It was a great shot from a very good pilot, take it for what it was GS :D

raptor pilot made a big mistake going nose high and staying slow after he lost sight. should've gone full burner and gained speed before climbing. staying slow is the only time a warbird would've have a chance against a raptor.

@@GrowlingSidewinder call it luck, we have about a thounsand vids from a guy that has the same name as you proving that it isnt luck

they were built for gun dogfights

but f22 can shoot p51 from 100km away

yeah, but they dont even come close to being a threat to an f22

Yes they can totally destroy F22 they're like 6th gen fighters.

@@killzor7714 1 AMRAAM is nearly the cost of the P-51 engine, f-22 against 200 mustangs in BVR is what i call a fair fight

Very Memphis Belle of him

Pretty close to the battleship movie

Yeah, it really couldn't get much more dramatic than that! It was fantastic.

I wouldn’t say the best for the 51

@@Isaiah-oj6zm what was the best in your opinion and why do you think that?

Best of their times??? Lol, good joke

@@dylan4972 Not to mention the soviets Yak-3 which was outstanding in dogfights it probably had the best turning maneuverability than any other aircraft. The p-51 was very good and it’s multitask jobs wether it was tankbombing or dogfighting it sure was good at for it

As a dogfighter? Probably the F4U, or spit, maybe one of the german prototype push pullers. The warbird was a long range heavy escort fighter, a bit hindered in flight performance by this necessity.

lol yeah it cracked me up so hard.

I audibly laughed

I rewatched it like 5 times I was trying so hard not to lose my shit in my work cube 😂

69 LIKES! MAINTAIN IT!

got to love that Merlin howl.

He'll yeah

110% fact.

i love the p51 but i also show love for the spitfire but i definitely adore the p51 too much.

Ahem

Even I thought I’d never do it lol

Honestly, I really enjoyed this, I wonder if you could do more of these. I’d watch all of them.

@@GrowlingSidewinder while you’re probably listening, I’ve never been good at landing and getting a good approach angle. Any way I can improve this?

@@Man0War I mean I don't know what it's like in dcs world but in x plane I usually fly a little under the glideslope and pitch up more. Honestly once you get a good pitch, usually around 10-15 degrees and maintain that pitch just open and lower the throttle to gain or lose speed while constantly descending and maintaining that 10-15 degree pitch idk if that made any sense

@@Man0War I wasn't good either when I first started, I just days and days and days of just landings, until finally I was getting the hang of it. it's really all a matter of practice until you get it right kind of thing.

the Raptor pilot was clearly being cocky

in terms of hardware yes perhaps, but the cost of training 185 pilots to fly them is another story ;)

I guess the Russians will need to go back to old WW2 planes mode. Spam 10k of them and the whole NATO countries will have a hard time shooting them down 😂

@@locutus9956 Training would be easy and cost would be cheap. We'll just get Growling Sidewinder to teach them on nice PCs.

Zach Branningan tactics: "I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down"

well we have p-47... probably flies pretty similarly but with more primitive loadout.

@@jinchoung It’s not about the flight performance but the actual aircraft for the time period

2 of those did kill 1 MIG in Vietnam. It’s a History Channel ‘Dogfights’ episode, if I recall correctly, (NOT titled ‘Long Odds’, my error is corrected by O-50-50 below), The episode was titled ‘gun kills of Vietnam’.

@@kahlrhoam6769 yes, a good old guns blazing head on attack if i remeber correctly

@@kahlrhoam6769 It wasn't Long Odds. It was actually the episode titled "Gun Kills of Vietnam".

I appreciate your support brother.

Are you sure? I feel like there was something out there that could outturn the spitfire

The Japanese planes had a tighter turning circle

@@ian_lewono apparently the p51 had a tighter turning circle and the best turning plane was the De Havilland Mosquito - ultimate multi role aircraft I looked it up on google and its mixed answers between the spitfire, p51, mosquito, yak 3, etc. So I'm guessing at low altitude the spitfire was the better Turner, and at high alt the p51 was the better turner? Don't really know

@@ricksanchez8469 no, they were all about speed, not turn fights but speed that's why they sent out the f4u instead of the p51, cuz it was all about energy in the pacific, not dogfights

@@kingviper3444 even now if like a wwi biplane we're to do a turn test against a modern jet I think we all know who would win If you don't check out GS MK2 video on the Fokker Dr1 triplane pulling a cobra

It also want a BVR engagement, which is how this would play out in a real scenario. The P-51 would never see the raptor

@Prestallar This is true. Early jet engines had horrible spool up times and throttle management was all pilot skill. No FADEC or any engine management computer.

Pretty much all 262 kills were low down where the 262 really struggled against slower, more manoeuvrable fighter. At altitude it could just boom & zoom.

@@richardbryan6349 still a problem with spooling up, that's probably why the video showing the habit's of a jet ac's not a WW1 or WW2 pilot

@@nathanfox6388 That is assuming that the P51 is recognized as a hostile fighter. At the speeds and altitudes it would operate at that is surprisingly unlikely, ESPECIALLY considering it's continously large radar cross-section compared to modern fighters. It just doesn't look like a military aircraft on radar.

Boom and zoom tactics and the P51 would most likely be toast while the jet can just keep making passes at it using the power and speed to its advantage and shoot it to peace's... And that is without even using the heat seeking missiles.

What's the title of the video ?

@Admiral Kipper could just use radar guided but even then idk..I don't pretend to understand the finer details of radar guided tracking 😂

@Admiral Kipper modem heat seekers such as the aim 9X douse the seeker with liquid nitrogen (very cold in liquid form), and so any engine heat difference will be easily picked out from the surroundings

@@thejhonnie piston engined aircraft do have a smaller radar crosssection due to raw size difference and radar boucing off curvatures in the body, although the side of the plane, radiators, and tail is pretty flat for radar returns - radar was used effectivly in WW2 in both the European and the Pacific theater to detect aircraft

Even in a Raptor: lose sight means lose the fight.

Round 2 was just pure unadulterated rage. Not only did he give GS BOTH 9Xs, he then gunned GS TWICE.

yup the second round was just a pure rage fight on part of the Raptor pilot, very dishonourable

always lay down machine gun when anticipating nose-to-nose with the enemy.

Manuever kill is manuever kill!

maneuver kills definitely count, if you can get the bandit to maneuver into the ground in relation to you or depart flight and not recover before they crash, you just scored a win

Agreed. If your enemy doesn’t make it home and you do, that’s always a win.

Kind of reminds me of the movie The Final Countdown. When the tomcats are toying with the Zeros, they actually get nose on and shoot once or twice.

We would roll our eyes if it was a movie to be honest lol

I think they set limits for the f22 to kinda get this result. Nobody in the f22 losing a 2 circle fight would continue to turn, no, you would light your afterburner and go vertical, this stalling the mustang out. Or speed away and re-engage. Not once did the f22 use its absolutely superior thrust and speed to go vertical, which really tells me they set limits for this fight.