I guess since the sales are going... Mig-23ML Video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ial8gMyKua-4n2w.htmlsi=OzFSvHruFpnd010q I know I'm late to this but I been crazy busy :(

F4S if you want something that will actually teach you how to play current top tier, and if you like missile sparring. F5C if you want a fun dogfighter while grinding.

F5C is a monster if you get down-tiered, I recently got an 8 kill game in it simply because it has such a strong flight model and is an absolute goblin if used correctly.

For me, the uptier from 10.3 to 11.3 feels a lot less of a difficult to counter compared to using an F4 against F16s, Gripens and Mig 29s. Much less of a frustrating area to be.

Imo the Phantom looks super cool. That smooth curvature does a thing in my brain.

The reason I bought the F-5C over the F-4S is pretty simple: With the F-4S you will run into situations where you are just f***ed. If a 4th gen fighter is on your ass you are dead and there is nothing you can do about it. If someone launches an IRCCM missile at you, you are also f***ed because only 60 countermeasures. Overall there are just way too many situations in the F-4S where you have no chance of fighting back. This is not the case in the F-5C. Even in a full uptier you can still defend yourself. There are very few situations where your death is inevitable which makes it much less frustrating and much more fun to play.

As somebody who has both, I prefer the F5 C. I used to hate it because I didn’t know how to fight in it and would turn and dump all my speed, but once I learned how to play it, thanks in part to Joobs Tutorial, I like it, and I like the f 5E even more. On the other hand, I never really got good at the F 4S. I’m not sure what it is but that matchmaker sure doesn’t make it easy to succeed. Maybe I have a skill issue lol. Anyway, great video and keep it up!

Want a Missile Slinging Pain Train with good FULL weaponload performance? F4S Want a fun dogfighter that can't bomb without a huge performance hit with the bonus of being in a more manageable BR? F5C

Thank you very much for this comparison!

My take on the matter... ( i play 10 years on and off...) . If you are new player and you don't have ANY jet and you want a grinder... You pick F-4S. My reasons : 1. A new player usually isn't good with BFM, especially if you go from props to relatively modern jets. Totally different game. Most of the things you know are relatively useless. At least with F-4S you won't want to go for BFM anyway, so one less problem for you. 2. With F-4S you will have to learn the basics of missile combat and how to defend against (notching, cranking etc.) Those things you MUST learn if you are really interesting in top tier jets. And it pits you there where that kind of gameplay is.Also, you'll get a good idea how to play both SARH and IR missiles. You don't have to be pessimistic, it will be a learning curve, but once you get used to it you can play top tier. Positioning as well, you have to learn how to position yourself correctly. 3. In uptiers, and keep that in mind that you will see many of them, you will be in a bad position with both said planes With Phantom priority is to avoid BFM anyway... With F-5C BFM is your weapon and in uptiers you'll get outclassed anyway, so you'll have to play where you hurt the most. 4. In big maps you can go chunk some base when you feel you can pull it off (you see the BRs getting played) , that means an extra chunk of RP...then straight ahead go to combat with Air to Air. It's a true multi-purpose. About F-5C: 1. As i told twice. Your weapon of choice is BFM. If you haven't played at least Korean era jets, you'll have troubles. The thing is agile, yet not uncontested . And there are plenty of good enough planes, with maybe more experienced players in that department. And BFM is about experience, especially in jets ... don't expect TnB. Also, while in BFMs, you have to have situational awareness...else you're gonna be 3d partied , if you are inexperienced you have less of that. 2. it is a very good plane in downtiers, where its BFM capabilities shine ... since that's the game that it's being played there. In same ratings, 10.3 , however, you'll find yourself... lacking. Everyone will have better missiles than you...and maybe more missiles than you. The flares count... isn't that big. You have to be careful with them. The airframe, can get outplayed as well, it is practically as good as you play. In overtiers ...you have nothing. 11.3 is another ballpark. 3. Multi-roling is possible, but loading that thing it gets you slow. TL/DR : If you have some experience with jets, you are good with BFM and in general it's your type of game... Pick F-5C. If you are lacking experience with jets, or you know that you are bad in BFM... pick F-4S, you'll get more of it. That being said, i wouldn't recommend to very new players to pick that high BR planes as their first.

Really like this new style of video. Friend is getting into the game and I’m definitely going to show his this. Preesh dat

I bought both this last weekend and I’m glad I have both, but I’ve definitely had more fun in the F-5C.

that would be a fun idea, logging uptiering/downtiering with the time of day over a long period of time

Quick question: what is the blue decal for the F4-S you had on during the video?

As someone who has the F-4S and the F-5E (the better version of the F-5C) Id say I like the Phantom 2 more than the Tiger 2 and I'll explain why. 1. The phantom has a lower skill floor and a higher skill ceiling if you are bad at the game the Phantom is really easy to learn and as my first Premium plane I have 300 hours/1500+ games in it (I just really like the F-4S and still use it to grind SL and events it did not take me all 300 hours to grind out the tree just for example in only 250 hours Ive already finished with the Soviet tree and I'm half way done with Sweden probably takes 50-150 hours to fully grind a tree with both your premium of choice and premium account not 300) because with it I can can usually get 5k+points per match in it meaning I can grind out an entire event star in around an hour) took me only about 70 know the F-4S like the back of my hand, the F-4S is very easy to learn all you need to learn to succeed in it is situational awareness radar controls and how to defeat missiles and once you learn that you can do decent in it even if you have 0 skill at the game, but if you master it it f*cks you can make 120k RP a game In it by rocketing two bases then getting kills I get an average of 5 kills two bases in it per match the Aim 7F is a monster of a missile if you use it correctly the F4S has one of the best radars in thr game and the Aim 9H is a slightest worse Aim 9L which means its good but not overpowered also if you lear to use the gun dogfights are very satisfying in it and its gun is easy to learn because it has radar gun sights. 2. The F-4S will teach you top tier better than any other premium in game it is good at literally every play style in game it's a jack of all trades master of none and it's a top tier jet so learning game sense and situational awareness is vital to doing anything in it plus it teaches you the ins and outs of top tier fights and missiles and the strengths and weaknesses of your plane and enemy planes. 3. The F-4S absolutely f*cks in a down tier (if you don't want a story about how good this thing is in a downtier skip to 4) ive gotten an 8 kill 4 base game in a down tier before the game started with me slinging off two Aim 7s in headons while rushing a base both connected then I started moving towards the next base flung off my other two sparrows none hit and I destroyed the base then I saw my team was getting picked apart by the other team so I went towards the enemies flung off my Aim 9s all of which got flared then I b-lined to the airfield to restock, then I got back up and an F-5C popped up about 3KM in front of my and I launched a sparrow killing him then i searched with my radar and got another lock on somebody 20KM away and i launched a sparrow that also connected then i flew towards a base used my rockets on it and angled towards the next one then i got in a head on with an SU-25 so i quickly launched another sparrow and turned away so i wouldn't get shredded it connected but only crit and i continued flying to the base i was going for got the rockets off then turned back towards where i last saw that SU-25 i started flying back in that direction and eventually found the guy destroying ground targets not paying attention so i launched an aim 9 and it killed him and then i flew around for a few more minutes and couldn't find the last guy and my fuel ran out so now i was just gliding high up im the sky at a slow speed spamming my radar lock button hoping to find the guy before o crash landed because even though i was flying the the direction of my base i wasn't gonna make it and eventually i get pinging on my rwr to my left i turn the plane towards it get a lock and fire off my sparrow from around 15 KM away and then i get my wing blown off by an R-24R and lose my lock and i lost hope thinking i just threw the game but miraculously my sparrow connected around 2 seconds later and it fully killed him probably a pilot snipe or something and i won the game in my flat spinning F-4 (definitely should've lost that but a win is a win). 4. The matchmaker in my opinion for the F-4S is better, it's a lot easier to beat Vipers, Flankers, Eagles, Fulcrums, Tomcats, Freestyles (Yak-141), ECT with your own aim 7Fs which are just reskinned Aim 7Ms aka the best American SARH in the game than it is to fight against Aircraft with SARHs while you have no counters to the SARHs pulse doppler and MTI ignore chaff so you you cannot trick the radar pulse, you in lower tiers won't know how to pull a notch and even if you did notch the radar that leaves you if no speed as a sitting duck for all of the other 10.3-10.7 aircraft that will take advantage of that, if you hug the deck that makes you an easy target for planes who are flying above you to log off a heatseeker from an angle you cannot see, and at 10.3 your RWR is extremely basic so sometimes you wont even know if you are being locked or not also teams at 10.3 generally are really bad at the game because 10.3-10.7 is premium central meaning you will win less as well also ever since 12.3 was added 11.3 has gotten way more down tiers than before. 5. The F-4S will grind you the plane you want twice as fast as the F-5C, say you buy one of these and end up not liking the plane and neither really grows on you wouldn't you rather just get the plane you want as fast as you can so that you can get out of the Premium you aren't liking well if your choice was the F-4S you get a thing called base bombing opened up for you which is both the fastest way to grind RP and is the second fastest way to gain SL behind buying a blue water fleet premium destroyer meaning you will get your dream plane very fast and never have to worry about grinding SL ever again I got Upwards of 18 million SL just by grinding through the tree with the F-4S normally. 6. If you ever plan on playing ground RB the F-4S is very good CAS. Overall I love my F-4S and I'm glad I bought it over the F-5C.

what is average Research point score on these planes ( let's consider game with 1-2 kills without prermium). I am interested in F-4S. I need to push 3 fighyer lanes to reach rank VII that's around 3,1kk considering 8k per battle for example, I would need 370+ battles, 15min each, that's around 100h of game

How do you get the skin you were using on the F4s?

i have trouble with the f4s radar in test flight is it really that bad

Is Mig23ml still good? Or it isnt worth spending 35€? I would do russian tech tree but if there's no good jets im goong with the americans with f5

I went with the f4S but I mostly play sim mode, its not the best fighter but it can still carry enough bombs and rockets to destroy two bases (in either sb or rb) and still have a gun pod and aams for other targets of opportunity. You can also go for the ground units too if the bases already got bombed,

Please buy the F-4S guys, I want more of those sweet premium Phantom free-kills :)

Can you rate what premium jet to grind for ussr

joob i wanted to ask since i've been having trouble with it, what's the trick with getting enemy SARH missiles off you? Specifically with how I see people manage to make them slam into the ground. most of the time I try it they just veer up last second and slam into me.

I just love the looks of the Phantom, so i went with that. Had lots of fun with it, but now i got all the toptiers for US i find i dont play it anymore, or barely.

I have the F-4S and it was great when it was introduced. Now, J-11's just pop me out of the sky most of the time.

There’s another perspective I think to consider when choosing is how you wanna grind. If you want to get through the three really fast and farm a lot of RP/SL over dogfighting and stuff, F4S is a way better choice cuz of his bomb/rocket load aswell as AA abilities after bombing

should you bonb in f5c or no

whats your postFX setting at i like to use it pls

I just got the f5e talisman😂

Bought the talisman for the f4j when i was grinding the US tree and honestly was not a good idea…the hay day for phantoms are long gone until the decompress the BR. I guess if you want to bomb your way to top tier F4s is surely consistent enough. Now grinding my 3rd air tech tree with the 23ML and it’s a much better experience, not only the teams you get are way better, the R24R and flight performance are good enough to sneak you through the uptiers. P.S. Kifr Canard review pls :p keep up the good work!!!

Question for all. Should Gaijin add fuel dump feature?

Good stream last night!

This game isn’t pay to win…it’s pay to lose.

Dang this is actually a great video idea

should i buy the f5c or the f4s

i have both would recommend waiting for a sale then buy

I made it to jets on Sweden with no premiums or time. Took a few months but I wanted to make sure I like the jet combat before I feed the snail

Can you do a comparison between the F5E and F5C?

Feel like a point was missed that as a grinder, the most popular way to rack up money and rp is to bomb bases, the f4s has the potential to kill a base and a half with bombs along with 8 missiles, that’s a ton of potential money made in one loadout, the f5c is much better as a dogfighter for sure but I find that getting a ton of score in that plane is a much bigger ask

I would say the F4S is the best pick up, actually teaches you missile combat, is competent at most things (not great or bad just ok), and heres the big thing, if you want to grind the F4S can actually carry bombs well, its engines are strong enough that if you take a few bombs to quickly hit a base your not crippling your plane like the F5C

Best option for NEW PLAYERS who pick america or any other country is to DON'T BUY TOP TIER PREMIUMS, play game first decide if u want to stick longer and if u like it then gain some expirience. Don't jump into deep water it will crush you, if you as a new player really want to grind tech tree faster just buy premium that way u can learn new things, polish your skills and grind in resonable time, plus you won't miss some of the nice vechicles on the way.

how do you get the radar to be squre

See I would love to buy stuff but they havnt reopened the console account to pc account migration so il be missing out sadly

For new players the f5c would be a better choice, less keybind and less uptires and even in uptires you still stay competitiv. F4s is a struggle bus with every match is 12 or 12.3 facing planes that outclass you in everything

I got both of them because of discount and whenever I do bad in one while grinding I switch to the other one

If anyone wants to help I just got the f5 like few weeks ago n I would like to have someone to play with show me a few tips ??

Been having a painful few days since got the 4S

One thing to note, the f4s can destroy 2 based with ffar rockets which is like a guaranteed 10k rp per match id guess

If the F-5c was available for us console account players I would have bought it last sale already. I’m currently grinding the F-5e and I have a feeling ill finally get the airframe that I was looking for and missiles that isn’t the Aim-9b. And from the looks of it 9e is just 9b but with an uncaged seeker head. And 9j is what I’m excited to use with 20g of pull I believe.

I grounded to the f16c with help of the f4s. Got bored so I crewed the f104, which was eh, and then the f5e and oh boy did the f5e motivated me to get to the f16s even more. I think i got to the f16a mostly by using the f5e rather than the f4s (and with some ge lol)

Got both on sale 😬🤷🏼 might as well for the price of one

I have both it depends what I feel like playing in that moment

Jo again first, Happy newyear

I like the way you said to subscribe. It like Brett Cooper’s transition into her sponsors

Wait you said the M39A2 cannons are easy to aim? To me they are extremely difficult to aim, I either underlead or overlead and can't get them to hit normally. I got both the F-5C and F-5E

I probably go for f4s because Im about to research the f5e

Can someone confirm to me that ge for wt is actually worth it

Mig-23ml) f5c and f4s is 90% on +1 BR. Matchmaking is sux.

Which nation has the best F5? I've seen china has a F-5E which is supposedly better than the F-5B and F-5C?

The f5c teams being bad is definitely a pack sale thing, I bought it last year and I'd say my teams have won around 60-70 percent of the games

I just bought both and the A10

I feel that the F5C is more forgiving to newer pilots it’s also not in a br with insane missile, so between the F5C and F4S get the Kfir

Well the f4s is one of the best phantoms as it had a kit similar to what the F4E has which makes it turn a lot better.

What was not discussed is that for a new player the games in the F5C feel way slower and it feels like you’ve got more time to react. 12.3 games are way faster and sometimes a cluster fuck. This can be really overwhelming

dude is a aircraft god damn

At 3:07 southern us does not really tell us ur time zone, but anyways nice vid I am thinking about getting a plane in us

I bought both in the sales

I have both.

F4s comes with a heavy learning curve in terms of bvr combat. Radar, keybinds, while also having to fight the fourth gen fighters. F5c is mostly just a dog fighter at a better br. F4s has more multirole capability though as it can be a bomb truck or missile bus

i like fighting f5c in the j35xs, two wallet warriors and i can just turn inside of them and then run away and they can’t catch me

Have the F-4S great for assault with prem avg 6k rp a game takes about 15-20min I personally can’t get that much in pvp

I have both

I'd like to ask here since I'm not too familiar with the F-5C's gameplay. Do you climb high? Stick to the ground? Should I shadow phantoms or go out there and annoy the whole enemy team with my antics? Just someone who has a few ideas of what to do but unsure of which ones to use.

The F4S is honestly amazing.

The F5C is such a fun premium i'd consider it to be the best premium in the US tech tree. If someone is 'in the zone' the aircraft is unstoppable at 10.3.

AIM-9B is prety good missile, yesterday, my 9B ignored flares....

Ill leave my 1 year f5c experience if somebody finds It useful: First of all, i already researched the whole USA tree with It, It has a pretty good research bonus and It is a money printer. I dont have the F4s but here are my reasons of why you should pick the f5c over the Phantom. The F4s is probably better grinder than the f5c as you can do bombs runs and then bust some enemies with those awesome missiles, however, i think that the f5c is a way more complete fighter... first of all, is one of the best, if not the best dogfighter at its br so i think this could help the player to learn and máster the top tier Gameplay such as dogfighting and defensive maneuvers. Apart from that, F5c missiles are trash, so you have to shoot them at targets following a linear path and from no more than 2.5 km, anyway that doesnt even matters because the strongpoint of the f5c its maneuverability and its 20mm gun with 750 rounds that a shatter into pieces anything that you face. In conclusion i would reccomend you grabbing the f5c as It will teach you way more things about every kind of mechanics instead of just braindead missile launching and also you will at least have fun with It while you grind, and pray with the F4j to not get uptiered... because if you do, then you are f*cked up. I hope It can help you guys on order to decide.

I got the F-5C as its closer to my lineup of 9.3 currently. Love the plane, but the missiles suck. You will constantly be shot from the front by higher tier jets with better missiles. Sometimes I get hit by three or four missiles while going through my death animation scene. Plus the Migs are faster than you and if you try to shoot your weak missiles at them as they outpace you, they simply flare and chaff and laugh at you in Russian.

bro can read my mind

now make a vid on thr f4s or the new f20

Is The mig 23 or F4S better

i got the f4s and it feels horrible, 95% of my matches are 12.3

Many others did this but here's another summary: F-5C: People tend to enjoy this a lot because it's a get in your face and dogfight plane.... this plane is all about flight performance and guns. If that's what you enjoy and you want to get to top US... get the F-5 F-4S: It's a brick when it comes to dogfighting but keep the gun on there cuz you never know... but your focus is on the missiles and the 7F (when it's actually working properly) is a competent missile. This plane will help you to learn top tier, if missile combat is what you are interested in. The 9H is a decent enough missile really only limited by the fact it's Rear Aspect only. It burns as long as a 9L so its range is really good for a close range missile... and I want to say I remember seeing somewhere that the thing pulls basically as hard as a 9L right off the rail... yes I know it says it's 18Gs... wish I could remember the source but basically in a rear aspect shot (which is all it can do) it's no different from the 9L. You can also carry a bomb load good enough to destroy one base along with all your missiles... and destroying bases is worth a lot, if you are struggling with air to air... which frankly you probably will if people are smart enough to stay on the deck so as to avoid radar missiles... at this BR though... you'll find many don't understand that. F-4S has a lot of utility while the F-5C is pretty straightforward in what it does. Might be more exhilarating playing the F-5 but potentially a little easier while not always super interesting in the F-4.

I see the F5e is better then the c so I got the F4 s and use it to unlock the f5e

i REALLY should have bought the f-4s

Thank god I got the f4s on 50 percent off

Have both, most at home in F4S. Missile jousting rewards staying supersonic and doesnt punish my poor deflection shooting. That said, F5C can duel almost anything into a stalled target even AIM9E can hit (barring 3rd party interference), and is at a somewhat more forgiving BR. Which i bring in a lineup largely depends on the task of the day.

I prefer the f4s, it has good missiles and is a bit better in close air support

For any late-comers to this video, an important decision maker should be whether or not you can reasonably get gun kills. If you bring out the f-5c and can't hit your shots, you will hate it. That said, I would take the F-5c in a heartbeat over the phantom. Take this with a grain of salt as I only have the f-4e, not the f-4s. Both seem remarkably similar which is why Im weighing in at all.

F-111 video when?

I envy the F-5 but the AIM-7F is bugged good..

I have both (rip my walet)

i just bought both tbh

imo the F5C is easily the best jet for people to buy because not only is it an excellent grinder it also teaches you the games mechanics

How is this even a question? Both planes are the same tier but the f5c has a much lower br and is more op so you’ll grind faster with it.

i went for the f4s because of my autistic love and interest for the phantom platform

Both are not the fastest plane in their br, but the f5c got better energy retention so, im picking the F-5C

Players who have no/low skill might be better off with the F4S. The missile choices are just easier for someone who just flies in, spam missiles, and hope to luck into 1 or 2 kills before dying. But if you actually want to learn how to handle jets properly, I think the F5-C is a much more capable plane. It's lack of OP missiles kind of force you to learn better trigger discipline and proper positioning. Though, the F4S is closer to what you will see at top tier, so it just depends on what you are trying to do.

F-4S should get the Aim-9Ls, if Mig23 ML has R-60Ms and it is 0.3 BR lower but has much better weaponry.

Virgin F4S vs Mig23ML