F1 drivers' 3 different styles of attacking a corner

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F1 Verstappen Alonso Russell Austria Japan Dutch Onboard Telemetry

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@iamlato Ай бұрын

russell never misses an apex, even if verstappen is in the way

@ALPHABYTE1994 Ай бұрын

Cool

@ethanmathiotte Ай бұрын

lol 😂

@sergioferrero46 Ай бұрын

Sad but true😂😂😂

@Jejking Ай бұрын

FLAT AROUND HERE.

@Oziverse1610 Ай бұрын

If you're talking about 23 Vegas, I'll never understand why Verstappen didn't wait for the longest straight of the year to overtake a Mercedes and instead tried to squeeze through on a very tight corner

@elplan3605 Ай бұрын

That's why some elevation and some camber gives so much character to a circuit

@notsydew Ай бұрын

Agree, it's always so interesting to see different drivers take different lines through a corner. On track like Miami for example I feel like all 20 drivers take the same exact racing line.

@guitarsimon1 Ай бұрын

Me missing every apex in sim racing: "Yeah, i do drive a bit like Fernando Alonso actually 😏"

@ABSayysO Ай бұрын

😅😂😂

@keithhunter3033 29 күн бұрын

"I, am like Alonso, and prefer a car that understeers"

@yellerston3 Ай бұрын

i rlly like the inclusion of the driver interviews., great video

@usedtoexistonce Ай бұрын

the 2021 alpine sounded amazing

@howcanyou9151 Ай бұрын

Yes

@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Ай бұрын

Lovely livery too

@alessandroledda6480 Ай бұрын

and looked cold

@ALPHABYTE1994 Ай бұрын

Mediocre

@analex4044 Ай бұрын

Atleast the engine is good at something

@unacceptablecondition Ай бұрын

Alonso usually does this approach to corners when it's a low DF setup, that way he can make the following straight longer by actually doing more meters, being slower on corners anyway but with the higher sustained top speed.

@ftghb Ай бұрын

His defensive driving sometimes takes advantage of this too, gives up the inside but takes advantage of the straighter run out of the corner to get to top speed quicker

@Engryter Ай бұрын

It is good to remember that obviously in addition to the general notions, each approach is strongly dependent on the type of single-seater as well as its setup.

@shajeeurrehman5648 Ай бұрын

To anyone saying Fernando is being inconsistent: he's saying that for this type of corner he isn't that concerned about following exactly the same line or reference point as his 'apex'/main turning point but rather to consistently brake later than others that are trying to hit the apex/curb. And if you compare their telemetry, you can see that when they reach the final 50m braking marker while decelerating: Alonso is at 211, Russel is 192. Then as they pass the DRS detection line before the corner entry, Alonso is 173, Russel is 155. The get down to relatively similar minimum apex speeds but Russel isn't accelerating earlier than Fernando and gets on full throttle around the same reference point. In fact, Alonso is also using another few meters on the exit (because his turn is earlier than the curb) therefore giving him a good slingshot for the next straight (something which he probably feels the need to do in the slightly weaker Alpine). Another thing is he is straight lining the exit a bit more because he's completing the corner quickly in a v-shape and powering (same thing he did In Brazil 2023 vs Checo) which - I would assume - protects the tyres coming out of the corner just that little bit more than the greater rotation required on the inside and gives him good tyre life for the final sector. Alonso was looking top 5 that weekend until he got held up by Vettel at the end of Q2 and therefore didn't progress to Q3.

@Literature4343 Ай бұрын

not hitting the apex in tight corners is more about mid corner rotation. Such an approach bascially entails breaking late(r), completing more of the rotation mid corner, then backing on the gas on a relatively straight line on the exit. What's important to note here is that while the alternative approach (really trying to hit the apex and widen corner radius) allows the driver to get on the gas sooner during the mid-to-exit transition phase, it doesn't necessarily mean that corner exits in its entirety are always better because the car still needs to complete MORE of a rotation since mid corner focuses on min speed instead of rotation, as a result (at least in real life, simulations can be a different story) drivers who adopt the Russel approach shown in this video MORE often find themselves struggling with wheel spin on corner exits, which can be a bit couter-intuitive. It also depends on the car characteristics and driving style. For example, Norris almost always takes all the curbs available (ie RedBull Ring, Barcelona T1, COTA T1), while Ocon tends to avoid as much curbs as possible, especially in slower corners (ie Sazuka chicane).

@GeometryEX-hp9zs Ай бұрын

Kerbs actually damage cars and tires (especially sausage-shaped ones, which can easily shake cars). Verstappen's driving style has changed, but he is still aggressive. He makes full use of kerbs. Braking later and using kerbs less is good for cars and tires. In long races, this allows more laps on the same set of tires. The cost is usually a few tenths of a second. But these few tenths of a second can really benefit the race. The driver's ability to control the tires directly affects the pit stop time. Some people run very fast, but they can't really protect the tires. Pit stops earlier will lead to a larger distance.

@thelearningmachine_ Ай бұрын

I would like just to add that corners have basically 3 apexes: 1- the "early" 2- the "apex" and the 3- "late apex" which is basically related to that well know trade-off: "slow/fast in - slow/fast exit", and the car rotation. Verstappen as a driver who likes "slow in - fast exit", and oversteering cars which rotates faster, then he has a driving style and a car thats fits better to hit the "late apex".

@Literature4343 Ай бұрын

@@GeometryEX-hp9zs id say the impact of curb usage on tire life is minimal, what lines they prefer and how much curbs they use is mostly down to driver preference and car characteristics (ie McLaren being better at riding curbs than Red Bull to name one example). Running lots of curbs only tends to damage tires with high speed corners that impose a lot of stress/Gs (ie down right hander at Red Bull). Sausage curbs can damage cars, yes, but no driver intentionally takes them for lap time. Verstappen is quite aggressive at taking curbs at lower speed corners, but he's reasonably gentle when it comes to high speeds, which i suppose is a good middle ground between lap time and tire management.

@Literature4343 Ай бұрын

@@thelearningmachine_ From what I've observed (I've watched onboards of almost every driver from every race since 2018 and am a karter myself) actually Verstappen's lines aren't very V-shaped (so he doesn't exactly take traditional "late" apexes), at least not as what his style would suggest on the surface, and certainly not on the extreme end like that of Vettel's or Schumacher's. What really sets Verstappen apart is that he more or less takes U-shaped corners WHILE having the rotation of a V-shaped driver, which is crazy if you think about it, because V-shaped drivers (in slower speed corners) usually has significantly slower minimum speed in exchange for a superior rotation. Verstappen's style is basically he just adds a little bit more rotation (enabled by strong front-grip biased setups and his ability to nurse the rears) to the corners without really sacrificing minimum speed, so essentially his style doesn't really have a disadvantage. He has average braking/entry, fast min speed (thx to super sensitive footwork, this is what people tends to overlook), and the best exits. This is why he is elite.

@GeometryEX-hp9zs Ай бұрын

@@Literature4343 Those curbs are actually uneven. They are essentially concave and convex. Excessive use will wear out the tires. For example, Russell made this mistake in the second layout of Bahrain in 2020, which caused him to make an extra stop and lose the championship. Rubber itself is elastic, but there is a limit to wear. The older the tires, the less curbs should be used. However, sometimes not using the curbs will also wear out the tires. Overly aggressive driving will consume tires to a great extent. However, in the 2022-2023 season, Red Bull's car has greater cornering grip, so its tire loss will be much lower than that of other teams. Even if other teams do not drive aggressively, their cars are slipping in corners. Slipping will also increase tire wear.

@charlespring5296 Ай бұрын

Loving the smooth jazz interludes

@MrF1_100 Ай бұрын

Interesting to see how the difference in car changes their approach towards the corner

@ryanchivwara5013 Ай бұрын

True. I've always noticed, especially last year, how different the Ferrari's and Mercedes take racing lines through low speed corners. I noticed that the Ferrari's took a much tighter line to the point where they were going onto the kerbs and the mercs usually take a wider approach and barely touch the apex

@Appletank8 Ай бұрын

Especially with ground effect, possibly affected by how well the suspension handles bumps.

@an_iguana4306 Ай бұрын

@@ryanchivwara5013 A reason for that could be that mercedes' platform doesn't do well in the kerbs compared to the Ferrari, messes up the floor stability, losing downforce and turns into time lost

@MuhammadNiz007 Ай бұрын

Alonso saying sometimes this and that is the only time I have ever seen respected driver have these comments. Key is to be consistent on laps

@Ortiz1492 Ай бұрын

He is consistent in breaking late. It is worth it to sacrifice the apex for late breaking, specially in such a low speed corner where exit is more important than apex speed.

@primuspilusfellatus6501 Ай бұрын

@@Ortiz1492Getting a good exit is achieved by braking early, not late. Also going wide in a corner usualy doesnt help carry more speed than hitting the apex. Im pretty sure in this case russel would be faster

@vsr5169 Ай бұрын

@@primuspilusfellatus6501No really, in the inside line there is a bump, In my opinion there is another factor. The set-uo of the car. Probably with the Alpine was better idea get wide, and for Russell and his Williams could be better hit the apex.

@devotedtospeed Ай бұрын

@@primuspilusfellatus6501 i don't know how relevant this is but in sim racing that corner is rather problematic when taken tightly like Russell does. cars tend to spin a lot there

@jaredhutton Ай бұрын

I love Russell's explanation here, you can tell how studious he is compared to most other drivers.

@vamositalia4600 Ай бұрын

Also for Silverstone's turn 4 you had to go wide because there was a bump near the apex... that's until 2019 when the track was resurfaced.

@blackness010 Ай бұрын

Apex just turned into russell

@yaseensergawey739 Ай бұрын

blimey

@needforspeedprostreet2007 Ай бұрын

real

@bartekkko Ай бұрын

Russell's approach in Austria looks like the popular perception of alonso's driving style, aggressively turning and loading the wheel quickly, in huge contrast to how Alonso himself took that corner. I wonder how much the difference in approaches is down to the driver's preference, and how much is the car, or even the setup, or a combination of the three.

@DrDrift-rl6cc Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure Alonso's aggressive turn was only for the Renault during the low grip grooved tire era, no?

@ftghb Ай бұрын

@@DrDrift-rl6cc now it's turned into a meme, especially for kimi fans explaining why he couldn't drive alonso's 'understeery' car

@0megalul309 18 күн бұрын

@@ftghb ciaron smith keeps on using this as copium meanwhile alonso took kimis mclaren car to within 1 point of wdc

@theindubitable Ай бұрын

I must say yelistener, I enjoy this channel. Your research is really good and very informative.

@ericbema8420 Ай бұрын

i remember alonso doing this in brazil last year vs perez. he was taking a going wide in the last corner before the long (kind of ) straight, which is not straight of course but if you are familiar with brazil you get me

@BCSimsport Ай бұрын

100% my most favorite of your videos to date! Great stuff as always! Thanks for putting these together the way you do

@mako4874 Ай бұрын

Shows how instinctively Alonso drives. A true natural

@LukãoRZN Ай бұрын

Very nice format for a video, bring more pls 😊

@zsomborerdesz3364 Ай бұрын

I am surprised Leclerc is not in this video, his corner entrance is almost always different from the others. He does not use the width of the track but starts the corner a more narrow way, take a sharp cornering and concentrate on the exit.

@mosca3289 Ай бұрын

Such good clear analysis. Love your stuff.

@acmfra8871 Ай бұрын

Great analysis. I think also Hockenheim T5 is a good example of a wider line being sometimes faster than hitting the apex.

@baddoer Ай бұрын

Russel style reminds me of how Michael used to drive his Ferraris. Very pointy, a lot of corrections on the exit

@callumcurtis15 Ай бұрын

Unfortunately the tyres on the current cars punish drivers for this style of driving.

@Shea-austin Ай бұрын

@@callumcurtis15 This is Max Verstappen’s Driving style, so saying it doesn’t work is false.

@Law0fRevenge Ай бұрын

Great video, love the inclusion of driver's statements, it gives the explanation some more credit

@GeometryEX-hp9zs Ай бұрын

In fact, more experienced drivers will choose to go on the kerb less often. This is actually to protect the tires. Aggressive attack on the corners may damage the chassis of the car or even cause a tire blowout. Russell's way of attacking the corners is very aggressive. This will increase the chance of a tire blowout. Because the tires used in the qualifying race are sometimes used in the race. So in fact, you shouldn't attack the corners too aggressively. In the case of heavy oil, the impact is often an earlier pit stop or a tire blowout during the process. Because different tracks are used in this video, the track characteristics between Austria, Zandvoort, and Suzuka are different. So if you want to make a comparison, it is better to make a comparison on the same track in the same year. There are differences in car performance between different years. Some cars have better grip on corners, and some cars have worse grip on corners. However, whether to protect the tires depends entirely on the driver's choice. Some people will blindly rush to the end.

@redline589 Ай бұрын

Thanks for a really good video, the drivers talking about the lap and the onboard together is great.

@manuelhenriques7169 Ай бұрын

whats your fav ye song? love your vids been watching for 3 years

@yelistener Ай бұрын

I had no idea ye was Kanye West's nickname untill last year.

@ABSayysO Ай бұрын

@@yelistenerlmao so what is the ye for😂😂

@Nickfr_01 Ай бұрын

The sound of an alpine is beautiful❤

@andreasdbzz9961 Ай бұрын

After driving in Indy, Alonso showed to F1 drivers that taking the wider line in turns like Suzuka T11 or Zandvoort T3 isn't always wrong. Sometimes is even faster.

@syahmiazri4246 Ай бұрын

Leclerc also using wider line at T3 in his pole lap Austria 2019.

@voprescu Ай бұрын

I always thought about this, especially the suzuka hairpin

@alexisbeuve8199 Ай бұрын

The thing is, the slower the corner is, the more you loose time on braking too early. So even if the perfect line is to hit the apex, you SHOULD brake a bit too late to avoid any risks of braking too early. Then you miss the apex witch doesn’t matter a lot in a hairpin.

@PowellCat745 28 күн бұрын

These’re basically driving style differences - square corner vs round corner, which also depends on the corner and the car.

@drazensusnjara7606 Ай бұрын

I love your videos mate,great work

@10MasterM Ай бұрын

Another insightful analysis 👏

@ZsebtelepHUN Ай бұрын

I like how none of these tracks were designed by Tilke

@Patrique2001 Ай бұрын

Red Bull Ring was literally Tilke's first F1 project back in the late 90s (when the track was longer and known as Osterreichring)

@nickhill934 Ай бұрын

The modern cars are also quite large - it’s possible the wider radius scrubs less speed on some of these very tight turns. The faster guys can probably feel it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it showed up on telemetry too.

@ricardzubimendi7152 Ай бұрын

Such a nice video. Barcelona turn 5 is another example of corner where drivers choose to go wide. Not as extreme as Netherlands turn 3 obviously😂

@kartikkaushik9811 Ай бұрын

Love love these kinds of videos

@TotallyFlux Ай бұрын

I miss those cars

@user-vw8ex9zc2u Ай бұрын

Great video as always❤

@Shea-austin Ай бұрын

Russell approach to a corner is similar to Verstappens but he uses a tad bit more understeer to carry the speed in.

@JuTakii Ай бұрын

Love this channel ong

@gregglasscock7470 Ай бұрын

Takeaway. Data is more important than intuition when piecing together a fast lap.

@Atimo133 Ай бұрын

What a great channel!

@huubvelthuis8988 28 күн бұрын

turn 1, drive like russel. kiss inside, straighten car and put power down. austria t3 drive the alonso way. ride the middle of the corner, dont climb the apex. keep more speed because next stretch to t4 is long. suzuka take wider line because oi angle of corner. corner angle so great that you lose time going over or under middle line of track. too much inside = slower average speed, too much outside is you run out of road or have to take foot of gas. zandvoort inside can be taken but much harder on tires and more difficult. outside is easy. have seen overtakes on inside t3 at zandvoort.

@michaelauditore7230 Ай бұрын

It would have been really cool if we could see the time delta for the corners!

@playhak133 Ай бұрын

Hey man, could you do a lap comparison from Norris‘ pole lap today and Hamiltons pole lap in 2021? I think it would be really intersting to compare those 2 because of the different generation of cars and the previous said to be faster than the current. Would appreciate if it would happen! Cheers

@ChrisMisMYhandle Ай бұрын

Great video!

@shoryuag Ай бұрын

Can you explain why you’re calling these banked corners positive camber? Positive camber leans out from the center, not inwards. Thanks. Also, I enjoy all of your videos.

@joshualynn9885 14 күн бұрын

You say Alonso didn’t intentionally go wide but he literally says he did

@andersho9642 Ай бұрын

Very informative!

@jamsbong Ай бұрын

I like Russell's approach to the Austria A1 ring. He takes advantage of the uphill right before the turn to aggressively rotate the car. after that, it is just a simple almost straight acceleration out of the turn. Another very good track analysis would be the slalom of Suzuka and COTA, some drivers like Hamilton is very good with this track.

@theonlylolking Ай бұрын

That bump on turn 3 can catch drivers out with a spin on throttle. Alonso goes around the bump.

@Hmhm_racer Ай бұрын

great video. what about Shanghai the cambered corner before long back straight, should do outside to enter the straight w. higher speed?

@guitarsimon1 Ай бұрын

Russell somehow meeting the apex with GT3 levels of downforce.

@7ahmt Ай бұрын

The way Russell throws the car into the corner😮

@jamesbela9719 12 күн бұрын

I don’t really understood why when a corner has a positive camber you can carry more speed by taking the outside line … Can someone could explain me ?

@gallosai Ай бұрын

Alonso's gonna take a 20 second penalty for this video

@KiramMuzaini Ай бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="150">2:30</a> me when I see this: Alonso made it to Q3 with this shitbox?! How the hell does he keep doing things like this like when he was in Ferrari?

@jaedeeps Ай бұрын

Are you able to do trail breaking too or are they just visuals and not actual telemetry ?

@coyote_gamer2002 Ай бұрын

A tighter line is how Russell beat w11 in silverstone quali 2024

@yco67 Ай бұрын

corner bank and positive camber are different things. you dont take banked corner with inside wheel. You take with outside wheels more. and even on banking you need negative camber. there is wrong terminology is being used here.

@anoopbains1665 Ай бұрын

apex to alonnso - am i a joke to you

@Wintage. Ай бұрын

Which is faster in these examples?

@F1Guy-Guy Ай бұрын

We all need to know and the other ordinary drivers Need to learn analyse that Hamilton

@rastaboy_gamesnstuff7778 Ай бұрын

Can't wait to finally get good at this game in Paris, on my PS5 if I get the dlc, session is my favorite newer skate game, thps3 was probably my favorite older one

@tubadude07 Ай бұрын

Does anyone miss the previous era cars?

@davestrider2045 Ай бұрын

F1 fans make fun of NASCAR fans but I don’t know a single NASCAR fan that doesn’t know all about different lines through banked corners. It’s the whole basis of oval racing, so if you think this is interesting but you think NASCAR is just driving in circles… well.

@alexanderluo 24 күн бұрын

It's just banter. If course people still enjoy NASCAR. Maybe some diehard F1 fans or DTS fans don't but for most it's still a respectable series.

@hairpin369 Ай бұрын

That's why i dont like miami and qatar circuit. they dont have any elevation changes and that makes such a boring race.

@alonsoayniben Ай бұрын

Love your videos❤and first

@vinlaw21 Ай бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbR5nMh9nq24g6s.html this video on Hamilton's pole lap at Suzuka in 2017 gives similar insight. Here he hugs the inside line at the hairpin, saying that the extra distance travelled is not worth the higher minimum cornering speed. However, Hamilton usually takes a wide line at T3 in Austria, so it would be interesting to know the rationale behind the different approaches to two corners that are similar in nature. Hamilton also talks about prioritizing entry and exit at Degners 1 and 2 respectively.

@oxodus8032 Ай бұрын

Like number 1k

@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 Ай бұрын

Great analysis! 👏🫶 17/07/2024 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1036">17:16</a> Or <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="316">05:16</a> PM At My Local Time.

@RehanX44 28 күн бұрын

this guy is allergic to hamilton 😂

@alcidespereira4177 Ай бұрын

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@shannonrobson2237 Ай бұрын

There are so many reasons why this happens. Alonso missed it because of tires , to save tires too people won’t usually hit the apex.. such a lame video