Hopefully CIG can address it in the next 5-7 years of alpha.

Solid video, although your friend talking over you a few times was a bit jarring. Since CIG tends to change their mind and second guess their design choices, I think significant changes are forthcoming. I'm curious, since this comparison was under the current heavily flawed PU flight model, how do you think they will compare in Master Modes?

As a couple others have mentioned before. The F8 replaced the hundred + year old F7. The MrkII is an updated version yes, but still of an aging fighter. Game wise, the MrkII is really just a visual upgrade to bring the old design up to date. Much like the Cutlass or 300 series. The F7 is smaller, but it only has one main thruster. While the F8 has three main thruster clusters. One might say, but the F7’s is larger. The counter argument is the F7 has one large outdated main engine. The F8 has three modern streamlined main engines. So similar to the F-16 to the F-15, or the F-35 to the F-22. The multiple engine larger fighter is much faster. But the most important thing, to me at least. Is that the changing the F7 speed wouldn’t only affect the F8. It would encroach on the Sabre’s territory. The Sabre that is also meant to replace the Hornet. The Sabre, that defining characteristics. Are stealth, speed, & maneuverability. Again, since the F8 replaces the F7. It’s mainly a carrier fighter too. Personally, I think the MrkII is in a good spot. Where it should be. But to each his own.🇺🇦🇭🇹🇵🇸

Great video! For fun: add a S3 repeater on the nose (Attrition-3 looks best), 2x AD4B on the wings and get the Speciality Varipuck S5 with another AD4B. Together with the smaller frame and cross section, you will melt everything rather quick🙂.

Is the F7A MKII out? The timestamp says F8A mkII, I did 5/5 so if I get the F7C MKII I can upgrade? Got the token for the long run for the option but I’m just confused if the A variant is even out yet or not. Awesome video and comparison I love these types of videos!

As much as i like the F7C, and i do, i doubt i'll keep it, ive already melted the F8, and will use the F7C as an LTI token for my ODYSSEY build at Invictus, or at least the initial chain. Ive decided to stick with the ''Arrow/Gladius/F7C-S Hornet Ghost'', and add to my already large fleet including amonst others: ''Polaris/Perseus/Arrastra''. For me, fighters although crucial as a support tool, are at the bottom of my list, each to their own of course. Enjoy your content.

I was looking for an F8 Executive comparison. Suspected the paint was similar to the F7 Ironscale. Thank you! CIG, standardize your naming convention.

One of your best videos yet! I have an F8C LTI and found no reason to get the F7C/A-mkii until you mentioned carrier-based like in BSG. All this time, I was comparing apples to apples, but it never was and your video made that really clear. Thank you! BTW, I love the BSG music in the background! T'was the perfect touch.

You ready for the meta………….. I don’t want to make people sad/mad. The real meta fleet ……………… a starter ( under 6 min reclaim time roughly ) and…………. A ccu to a ship you really want to start the game in . (On the way to that ccu you should be able to try 2-8 ships below the price of your final biggo) but this is true meta if you can spend less than 500 dollars and enjoy those assets you have , then until persistence ends you have beaten Chris roberts . An f8 lighting and prospector ccu would be a example of a winning fleet many combinations , by spending less than 500 dollars you won’t feel sorry when you have to drop 3k to get that computer that runs sc (when published and optimized. ) obviously if you get 6 figures a year , have a steady life partner and own your home than by all means spend how you like .

Nice review/comparison! To the point, very little fluff. I picked up the F7C Mk II with the Ironscale paint when it released pretty much for the reasons you mentioned in the video. I also have the F8C (non-executive). I enjoy them both for different reasons. Got yourself a new subscriber.

Well _of course_ it's terrible in atmosphere. Those vestigial wings disturb the airflow over the main wings, the main wing underhangs disturb the airflow at its tips, the main turret sticks out too much, and the raised tail forces the fighter to thrust at an angle to compensate for it, further robbing it from the thrust power it could otherwise have.

The trim on the Ironscale paint is bronze while the F8 executive have gold, but non the less beautiful and matches up perfect with a full Attritions loadout!

The F8 is the equivalent to the F22 the F7 is the F16 or F18…. It should be faster, much faster in a straight line. But the F7 should be much more maneuverable in atmosphere. Also, the size 4 weapons are going to make it much better for attacking larger craft when armor comes into the game . All these size twos are garbage vs shipped with any protection

Attrition repeaters perfectly match the Ironscale livery btw

As someone who just came back to sc cuz of this and upgrade my arrow to f7c mk2 I thought the horrible atmo flight was cuz of new atmo behavior, was painful to fly around in atmo. Hopefully it gets fixed, that said its gonna be an amazing ship once it gets tweaked abit and its gonna fit perfectly inside my polaris once thats out as well.

how do you get the mk2 turret on the mk2c

Jay that whole flight line has issues in atmo. The gladiator is a meme ship but I've loved it since 2013 and that thing flies like a bus in atmos. That flight family may have jet wings but that doesnt mean they can fly in atmosphere.

I dont expect to see too many changes, only because MM is just arround the corner. And with MM all ship performance will change. Why make a change to something when in a few weeks that system will be going away? So its likely that what we see now will be the final values for the MKII for this system. And whem MM hits it will be rebalanced there. If we see any changes between now and then it will likely be that we will see the bucking in atmo fixed. Something to note, after flying both ships, the F8C has much higher tol speeds than the F7 MKII does, however the F7 MKII,flwe circles arround the F8. If anything your teats were biased to max speed, if you had tried these ships on an actual in game race course, you may have seen diffrent results.

"Should I get the Hornet Mk II?" Are you a combat pilot? "No." Then no. ... Are you a combat pilot? "Yes." Do you already have a fighter? "Yes." Then no. The Hornet Ghost was my very first pledge "ship". I've loved the Hornet line since its inception. For me, this was an easy pick up because it's a much better looking Hornet than the others. (Seriously, look at the underbelly of the MkI Hornets. It looks like someone cut out the belly of the craft.)

The rear tail is more a counterweight as opposed to an aerodynamic surface. No wonder it doesn't play well in atmo.

I believe they applied the master modes speeds to the F7C so the F8 probably wont stay like that

F8 fills my needs.

to be fair, the F8 is supposed to be superior to the F7 in the lore. So I am not surprised by this.

F8C is a more expensive ship ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And if you think it's not about the money - remember that Hornet Mk I is still in game, CIG didn't just upgrade all Mk I to Mk II as a "gold pass". Lol.

Uno reverse card, cig nerfs the original f7 line up to underperform under the mk2. This makes sense as the mk2 is directly out of production with modern thinking. while the originals are all awaiting a balance pass.

Probably heavily reliant on the Flight Control Surfaces. We'll see how it flies when those are out

You guys yawed instead of rolling and pitching like you are supposed to to maintain maneuverability in atmosphere. Had you done that, you would have noticed the MK2 loses control during such maneuvers.

this was my reaction flying it for the first time. Space bounties: "this thing flies like a dream" The second to entered an atmosphere: "holy shit"