F90 M5 better than the G80 M3?

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@zendy04 Жыл бұрын

the presence a m5 has on the road because of the size is unmatched, it makes u feel like a boss driving it.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Definitely boss mode

@Eddy-09 Жыл бұрын

Really? I think the G80 M3 has more presence. The M3 has more aggressive curves that stand out more.

@aimxdy8680 Жыл бұрын

@@Eddy-09 The M3 looks childish, the M5 looks like a business sedan.

@ke9938 Жыл бұрын

@@aimxdy8680 This is very true. G80 looks cartoon-ish

@grahamstephens9931 Жыл бұрын

An M5 is a rare treat. Dare I say it, the M3 is more common. I’m lucky enough to own an M5, and you feel on top of the world driving it. I’ve never driven an M3 to know what it feels like.

@vadersf3019 Жыл бұрын

im so excited to see where this goes man!!! thanks for answering us all!

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the question. No problem

@m_autoguy_cali8116 Жыл бұрын

Great vid bro. Thanks for answering my question. My G80 is now on the truck from the port and on the way to the dealer! Appreciate your content - you were one of the first channels with great G80 content that I came across in 21! Looking forward to watching your M5 mods.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@DrivesAlot Жыл бұрын

Ima have to step my game up! I’m excited to see the build

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Hahha I will do it for the both of us I got you 😂

@brandonchism6960 Жыл бұрын

Dope vid man!!! At the end of the day, if the M5 is more comfortable and a better fit for you & your uses; you’ve made the right call. I’m looking forward to seeing your changes. Congrats again!!!

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro

@andresimmons914 Жыл бұрын

We see you Fam and once again Fam definitely proud of your growth

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thank you bro

@docB601 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate your content and knowledge brother. Be safe

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@christopherbakker2588 Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to see what you do with the M5

@jdklev Жыл бұрын

Going to miss your G80 content; you helped a LOT of people! Now I'm going to have to get an F90 to keep up...

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Hahhaha I will still make G80 content

@leobats14 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say going from a G M3 to a M5 is a downgrade as the M5 V8 is clearly a better more luxurious car. But I do think at this point in time it would’ve been better to have the GM3 as it’s a new platform and you would have been the first with a lot of the modifications and could’ve continued that trend. The M5 modification world is not as popular as the M2, M3/4 F & G. Many more mods could’ve been done to the GM3 like different types of wraps, wheels, engine bay mods, engine covers, carbon fiber strut brace. You could have the ECU unlocked for better tuning. Different type of exhaust set up, new grills. The list is endless. As usual another great video. Look forward to seeing the M5 monster you build.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought about unlock before selling but I was already at stage 2 power. As far as changing wheels and trying other mods, I just would have rather did that on another car. I enjoy the building process. I have big plans for the M5

@ivanpittaluga5259 Жыл бұрын

You are a natural, and authentic... Good Videos....

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@Redline.Junkies Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this video helped me out. I been on the fence about if I wanted to get a m3 or get an m5.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

@RANGOF90 Жыл бұрын

i was at the M 50th celebration this weekend and i saw your video! sad to see you didnt video my chalk f90 m5 ! it was in the partking lot you had clips of :) hahahaha

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Hey… I saw your car as we where leaving. It was nice.

@PhonesOnaDailyBasis Жыл бұрын

Who the fuuk said M5 is downgrade!? Brother congratulations! U moved to a next level 🔥

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Hahhaha thanks

@twinzinc Жыл бұрын

Cool ! Let’s get it !

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

💪🏽

@ZaysGarage Жыл бұрын

I feel you on the space perspective coming from the the G80. I’m 6’5 300+ too and even the M3 is a little tight lol I test drove an M5 and it felt perfect for me.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Exactly!! Yeah we either have to go coupe or big body

@homanmaster Жыл бұрын

M5 is big upgrade! A lot of potential I love mine and the stage 2 hauls

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yess stage 2 coming soon

@dannysamman3559 Жыл бұрын

M5 is too heavy

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

@@dannysamman3559 too heavy for what?

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

@@dannysamman3559 heavier yet faster and much more torque. 4.4l and V8 compensates for the extra weight so who cares.

@dannysamman3559 Жыл бұрын

@@av8743 idk ab faster than a g80 esp from low end

@jaya6454 Жыл бұрын

Cool video 👍🏿

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro

@jeffhoyo Жыл бұрын

Appreciate all of your content! I am really curious about the warranty aspect when you traded your M3 in with all of the aftermarket mods, especially the engine modifications.

@calebleuciuc670 Жыл бұрын

Yes! This is something no one talks about

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Only engine mods where intake and piggyback. I took my car to the dealer for service and they did not care.

@IneffablePanther 10 ай бұрын

Great video brrotha

@WhatsyourForte 10 ай бұрын

Appreciate it

@MODIT Жыл бұрын

Have/had both, both are the best that BMW have offered thus far and we all know. You can't go wrong on either. You could see how crammed you were in kies green m3. Your a big dude, same with my buddy and he needed the larger M5 which is understandable. Excited to get my DME unlocked and start tuning to see what all the talk is with these G80. Not sure how far you plan on going with your F90, but you should do the XHP tcu tune (noticed you didn't do it on your G80) if you going all out on cutting times. Yes the G80 M3 is straight up sexy compared to the F90 m5, while the M5 is good looking just not on the same level in that regards. But a V8 to me will always sound better any and every day of the week. Thanks for the content!

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

M5 not as sexy as a g80? With the front end differences between them, not even close. M5 looks amazing on front, rear, back literally all angles unlike g80. Of course my (and many others opinion) and yea on v8 especially as he mentioned not only the sound but how power is on tap instantly thanks to much better low end torque compared to the s58 I6.

@MODIT Жыл бұрын

@@av8743 surely beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Having had both the F90's just doesn't do it for me, the hips alone on the G80 are so nice as well as the rear. Personally I love the front its so different and unique just love it!

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

@@MODIT yup definitely a matter of opinion. F90s with the lci tail lights also got a really great update going on the rear, but I can understand why you prefer g80- it’s just not for me.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was going to sue the XHP tune but sold the car before it came out. Definitely going to trans tune the M5 as it needs it.

@wesammmm5432 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree! They’re both just as fast really. But a V8 motor will always be more fun to drive than a in-line 6. It’s the experience, this is my opinion

@zachhobbs3255 Жыл бұрын

Have and f90 m5 and had to get the low pressure fuel pump replaced. Just went out all of a sudden after that it’s been great

@aJohn4U Жыл бұрын

I think I have this wrong with my F90, at start up after I drive for a while and then have to start up again it will fire up and then stall immediately. I’ve researched online and others have stated it could be a low pressure fuel pump. The problem is when I bring it to the dealer it doesn’t do it…… SMH

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

@@aJohn4U same problem for me too. Just like he said it’s the low pressure fuel pump, once replaced it’s fixed and goes away. Has yours causes any drivability issues or power losses at all so far? Just make a video of it for the dealer to see, or explain it to them and show them the warranty worksheets that have been posted on f90 forum, they shouldn’t be giving an issue to replace it just because it doesn’t happen right in front of their faces. For me personally I’m just living with it for now as it’s not causing any power loss or drivability issues, just on warm startup it sometimes requires having to start it twice instead of once. I guess once it gets bad enough or strands me by just going completely out, I’ll just have no choice but to replace it then… 🤣

@Hades16899 Жыл бұрын

Funny story. I had a 2021 m3 comp. Then I went to the 2022 M5 comp. The M5 is just over all better for many reasons. The luxury confront factors do it for me as this is my daily driver.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Haaa yeah I feel like a Boss driving the M5 😂

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte just so you know, f90 and g80 m3 are sharing exactly the same rods. You can find this documentation from bmw directly online, rods are exactly the same part numbers between s58s and s63s. Difference is, f90 stresses those same rods more so due to much easier/higher torque levels plus additional weight over g80, but if you tune both to similar torque/power it will end up being a weak point either way as they are cast aluminum crap and not forged rods. I’d rather keep torque limited to a safe point of about 740wtq and have my power on tap more quickly down low than have to rev it out, at the end of the day both engines will need to limit torque/power with same weak rods to a safe level so s63 v8>s58 i6 any day.

@MikeyM5_ Жыл бұрын

I did the same thing, definitely not a downgrade. When you sit in the m5 you just feel special. Great choice brother

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yep you do. Thanks

@ABranch999 Жыл бұрын

As for the comfort, I’m more relaxed after 8 hours in normal/sport in a 5 series, than 2 hours in a 3

@MIXINGBOWLMAN Жыл бұрын

M8 Gran Coupe is the best looking M car in my opinion got one ordered. I’ve had both m3 & M5

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

All M8s look great 😆

@rcauthen324 Жыл бұрын

Nice video! I have a '21 M5C as well. Did you enjoy BMW Performance Center in Geer, SC? I 've been there 3 times and had a blast!

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

I did enjoy it. Definitely worth it

@rcauthen324 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte Glad you had fun and enjoyed the experience. I am planning to go again this year and take a factory tour as well.

@AntLive29 Жыл бұрын

I can’t afford the insurance on either car! You the real MVP

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Hahaha yeah it ain’t cheap 😂

@FlashFlash-tb6vf Жыл бұрын

Maaaaannnnnnn..... Let's all keep it real the M5 is next level at everything! Congratulations!!!! I'm in a 2022 G80 M3 6MT BSM Fiona Red...

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Thanks man. I agree

@michaeltaylor6561 Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

💪🏽

@chasereynolds1266 Жыл бұрын

Hey man I love your page. I have a 19 m550i and it’s great but I’d like to increase the hp. The dealer told me they’d “red tag” my vin if I got it tuned… I wanted to tune, downpipes, midpipes, etc. what’s your experience? Screwed on warranty or resale with tune and other mods?

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

If you are truly worried about the warranty you can go the Carbahn/ Dinan route but it is more expensive. You can also try a piggyback but some dealers don’t like those either. Just depends

@KiesMotorsports Жыл бұрын

Love the f90 m5 🚀🚀

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yessir

@skillz1855 Жыл бұрын

I have both but F90 M5, I have the G30 M550 Xdrive 2020. My daily is a F80 M.. I won't lie the car I enjoy most is the M550X. The ride is so freaking smooth with tune its quicker than the F90.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yeah the M550 is nice.

@eptxm5664 Жыл бұрын

I wanna see those m5c dyno numbers soon. Nardo grey wrap?

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Coming soon

@natforand6041 Жыл бұрын

I had a F90 before then an i8 and 2 months ago I bough a 2022 G 80. I kinda miss my M5 for the confort the dimention and power, not sure what to do !

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yeah sounds like you need to get another M5 😂

@bigmixx Жыл бұрын

I'm a big guy as well. I'm about your size but around 6'1 and I was trying to decide between the M3 and the M5. I was wondering if you were comfortable in the M3 but I think you've sold me on the M5 due to the seats and the extra shoulder room.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

The B pillar in the M3 got on my nerves on long drives. The extra room in the M5 is nice

@bigmixx Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte ok. Yeah I can see that. It’s definitely in your line of site due to having to move the seat back further.

@darkhorse4774 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on the purchase. I'm contemplating on which one shall I purchase. I love the M5. I've had 2. The F10 & the F90. I've had the F80 M3. I've not owned the G80 M3. The F80 felt just right for the smaller roads. The M5 felt prestige in every way but bigger for the smaller roads. I keep my vehicles stock due to insurance. 🙂👍🏻

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

If you have smaller roads and do a lot of driving involving turns, then the G80 may be a better route for you. I will say stock for stock the F90 is a better car to me. The G80 feels bigger than the F80 tho

@darkhorse4774 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte Yeah, lots of smaller roads, as most driving consists in the city, very little highway driving. Love the countryside roads. The F90 is an amazing drive. It's a very satisfying vehicle. I haven't placed an order as of yet. Still considering the G80 but prefer the F90. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte stock to stock no doubt f90 is better. The better question is mod for mod, which ones comes out on top. For me personally it’s still going to be that 4.4l v8 over 3.0 i6 regardless if comparing stock to stock or mod to mod.

@swift__ Жыл бұрын

M5 tuned is one of the nastiest vehicles on the road, can’t go wrong with that one. M550i is what I might pick up here shortly 🤞🏻🙏🏻. Not an M5 but that’s the closest I can’t get financially. I do love the G8x tho, if I could pick between the two idk what I would choose.

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

You know you’d choose that v8 over the I6.

@swift__ Жыл бұрын

@@av8743 it would depend on color , options etc. but if they were specked the exact same and I was able to choose, I’d prolly go with the 8 over the 6🤣🤣 mo powaaaa🤘🏻

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yeah having a V8 is great

@shaunwitzler5482 Жыл бұрын

The issue with the M5 I have is that the suspension is so soft, even on the comp model, compared to the m3/m4. It feels gushy and not planted, even in the stiffest suspension setting. The only thing that compares to the m3 in. terms of driving dynamics is the m5 CS, which I have not driven, but I heard it's way stiffer than the m5 comp.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

I think the new M3 is kinda soft also… most of the newer cars are trying to accomplish and do too many things. Not many manufacturers are putting out cars that are weekend/ track car ready except Porsche. Most people think the M5 comp is too harsh so it is funny to hear you call it soft. Just depends on what you are used to driving.

@shaunwitzler5482 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte That's true, they are softer than previous generations. Perhaps people have just become soft 😅. Nothing beats the feeling of a stiff planted car in my book. Cheers

@ke9938 Жыл бұрын

Since the swap up until now, how would you compare the two vehicles? Any regrets moving from the g80?

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

I plan on doing a 6 month update video soon…

@DJBeast_official Жыл бұрын

Nice video. But, which car is more reliable: less prone to issues, cheaper to fix, and has the least maintenance in the long run, anyone know?

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

No one is going to know that as of yet as the G80 is still too new. Also depends on if you want to tune or not.

@s.c.1972 Жыл бұрын

Do you think the handling of the F90 is as good as the G80? I would think the only area a G80 might be better is in cornering / track day. For daily driving I think an F90 is way better. I currently have a 2018 M550…awesome daily but handling is bad.. I am on the fence between upgrading to a G80 or moving into an F90. I agree with you on the power band.. my M550 even though it’s slower than an M5 has massive torque down low which I prefer to higher rpm revs of the 6. Overall do you like the F90 better?

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

At the limits the G80 is better at handling but the F90 is very capable. If you like the room and extra room of your M550 then the M5 is the way to go.

@s.c.1972 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte thanks! I rarely have the ability to drive “at the limit” and in an M550 it is not good at that. The M550 is really good at 7/10ths.. It falls apart if you try to drive it like it’s a track day… for DD it is perfect. Sounds like I need to test drive the F90. Or… keep the M550 and scoop up a used 991.2…. Enjoy your F90!

@MrSamPhoenix 10 ай бұрын

That V8 sounds intoxicating

@WhatsyourForte 9 ай бұрын

Yes it is

@UsefAfande Жыл бұрын

🍿 🍿😄

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

😂

@ryanhe5491 Жыл бұрын

should i get the xdrive version of m3/

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

If you can get it for MSRP yes

@kiplingordon Жыл бұрын

If I could afford a M5 then I would obviously do that. It's a great car. I can afford the G80 though so that's the route I have to go.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

A used M5 is about the same price as a new G80. Just depends if you want new or CPO

@USConnexion Жыл бұрын

Have both, I prefer the g80.

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

Care to share why

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

The seats are the reason I prefer the M5.

@basketball798 Жыл бұрын

All the people who believe the m3 drive is better than m5 need to go drive both back to back themselves. M5 is significantly better engine, feel presence ect.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

M3 just handles better due to weight and size

@pimpeeda8918 Жыл бұрын

There are reasons why m5 costs more than m3

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Yep

@MEEK5 Жыл бұрын

Anyone who thinks an M5 is a downgrade from an M3 is a kid.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

😂 facts

@lifeofjefeyt2638 Жыл бұрын

buy a g11 and tune it

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

G11?

@bronco4354 Жыл бұрын

G80 awd is the way to go

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

He took that into account, conclusion is still that f90 is an upgrade over it overall.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

I did not want to wait or pay the crazy markups

@mikeab2871 Жыл бұрын

f90 over g80 any day

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

💪🏽

@wickedpistonracing Жыл бұрын

If you want power and a sportier handling ride, then the G80 is the one to have. The S63 is a dinosaur engine. you get more power out of a S58 with the same mods and more reliably. But the M5 has a prestige that the M3 doesn't. Not to say that the M3 isn't prestigious, but its not an M5. So better is a subjective thing. At least that's how I see it.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

You actually don’t get more power out of the S58 with the same mods. The G80s are faster with the same mods because of the chassis and weight. A stage 2 pump 93 S58 makes about 620 wheel. A stage 2 pump 93 S63 is close to 700 wheel. Not to mention the big TQ difference.

@wickedpistonracing Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte Tune only M3s in Europe are making almost 700whp..with downpipes over 700whp out of a six cylinder. and you can't even put a lot of torque on the s63 without the very high possibility of a rod going. A problem that the s58 doesn't have so it makes more torque

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

@@wickedpistonracing the cars making 700wheel are on custom E40/E50 and full E85 tunes. Also a lot of those cars when pushed too hard are cracking manifolds. Tons of S58s are breaking. Also the rods in the S58 are the same rods from the S63. So the weak rods in the S63 are the same for the S58. Once you do rods on the S63 you can get 1000hp easy. There is only one S58 with 1000 crank and that is the Red Bull drift car. Which no one has been able to copy as of yet.

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte the g80 is not faster with equal mods. Stage 2 f90 on 93 is low 10s trapping 134-136mph, g80 is trapping less with same ET or slower. Once you get into E30-50 mix both run the same times at 9.7-9.9 with 140+ traps, but a lot of g80s need port injection to get that trap+ET while f90s don’t need that to get same results. Mod for mod, s63 v8 is more powerful and faster even with the extra 350lbs of weight (xdrive g80 to f90). Also once you do rods, g80s also need upgraded turbos to get 1000+Hp. What do you think the red bull g80 has? It’s not stock turbos. F90s once you have rods done on STOCK turbos with custom tune and e30 or e40 makes 1000hp to the crank (about 850whp) maxed out. On upgraded rods a g80 needs stage 3 (upgraded turbos) to match the power of only maxed out stock turbos, stage 2 f90s.

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

@@wickedpistonracing the s58 uses the same factory rods as the s63. Go look up the part numbers they are exactly the same, s58 needs the same 1000nm torque limit as the f90 on stock rods when modded otherwise they will bend. Mod for mod on equal fuel f90s and g80s have to be at the same limited torque for safety of crappy stock rods, while the v8 s63 makes way more power and is overall the better/faster car with equal reliability when both are tuned correctly with proper torque limitations in place for the stock engines (which many stupid tuners DONT do especially on the s63s because of how much MORE and EASIER they make torque down low vs the s58s, NOT the s63s fault at all). Go to a good tuner who knows the s63 platform well and knows what he’s doing and you will be fine, equally reliable, and faster in the f90 s63, over the g80 s58.

@MeijaJanis 11 ай бұрын

HK in m3 vs m5 HK LOL

@WhatsyourForte 11 ай бұрын

M5 is better as they did not reduce the system wattage until the G bodies

@MeijaJanis 11 ай бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte i have g31, HK is great. i have listened HK in 3 series, that is weak system

@500adaykeepthestressaway7 Жыл бұрын

G80 better. S58 will prove it in time

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

Depends on what you look for in a car. The S58 is no slouch. Just got to fix the weak points like every BMW engine

@beeznuts22 Жыл бұрын

@@WhatsyourForte G80 M3 & E92 M3 best handling and steering in BMW history

@av8743 Жыл бұрын

So far s63s with equal mods are showing themselves to be faster and are holding up, g80s however still breaking with a lot of the weak points fixed and are not any faster.

@WhatsyourForte Жыл бұрын

@@av8743 yep

@mg4685 Жыл бұрын

@Alejandro How do you feel about the G80x in comparison to the RS7? I have an RS7 and looking at getting a G80x. Please let me know.