Facing Our Traditions

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This is a highlight of our premier webcast Apologia Radio. In this clip Jeff reviews the Debate on John 6 between James White and Leighton Flowers. Jeff points out that while Leighton accuses James of traditions he brings to the text it is Leighton who is doing that very thing.
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@michellecheriekjv4115 2 ай бұрын

Dear Brother Jeff....how can you be soo mean? That was Excellent Brother...keep exposing that nonsense...📖✝️🌷

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

What nonsense is that, saying Calvinism is a false gospel. Come on brother, be fair. For every Calvinistic verse, you can quote, there 10 more verses that say, God loved the whole world and Christ died for all people, not just the secret group of TUPLIPers.

@michellecheriekjv4115 2 ай бұрын

@@eddyk4062 Great ....now let's look at the verses that explain Whom are The Elect....Who are the Called out body of believers. The Golden chain of Redemption....Romans 8:29-30 are an unbreakable chain of 5 verbs done by God and God alone. There's an excellent 9 minute video by Dr Edward Dalcour on his channel called "Department of Christian Defense." Google it. He really expounds out the Golden chain of Redemption....💥✝️📖

@Sovereigngrace1994 Ай бұрын

@@eddyk4062 Where does it say that in John 3:16 again?

@zbs28 2 ай бұрын

Most excellent.

@007gracie 2 ай бұрын

This discussion is SO EDIFYING! What a group of powerful intellects👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 thank you! I’m hooked😎🙏🏻

@teejay7510 2 ай бұрын

Leighton is willing to go to great extremes if he can dilute and degrade what Calvinism teaches, he is leading many astray by his unbiblical provisionist teaching.

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

Sorry, some of us beg to differ. Dr. Flowers is exposing Calvinism as unbiblical and downright bad to the bones 🙂 Dr. Flowers is the lone and strong voice in confronting Calvinism in today's world, he is doing a great service to all the protestant Christians.

@bradenalexander2477 2 ай бұрын

Flowers is the king of feelology.

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

No, he is not. In the land of Blind Calvinists, Dr. Flowers is the lone one eyed man who is preaching sound Biblical doctrine to save lost souls.

@bradenalexander2477 2 ай бұрын

@eddyk4062 your rebuttal has as much depth to it as Flowers theology.

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

@@bradenalexander2477 Dr. Flowers has obliterated Calvinism and proved beyond a shadow of doubt that TULIP is not of and not from, Christian faith, but, I am sure, you dis-agree. Let's agree to dis-agree 🙂

@Sovereigngrace1994 Ай бұрын

@@eddyk4062 Flowers can’t even stay in the text let alone correctly interpret it

@captainnolan5062 2 ай бұрын

Which edition (binding, font size, etc.) of the ESV Bible is Pastor Jeff using?

@SabbatarianCalvinist Ай бұрын

Not surprised since Dr Flowers doesn’t see Open Theism as too much a problem.

@shizmoo5536 Ай бұрын

cool

@philippent611 2 ай бұрын

One day I hope it'll dawn on Flowers that he debates against a "straw-man" form of Calvinism. (Straw-Calvin:) It's like he's telling the Reformed Calvinists to avoid Filet Mignon because he's seen how hot dogs are made.

@DJToooooooMAGA 2 ай бұрын

Preach it Pr Jeff,,, Also read John 3 17-20 how the WORLD IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, and that THEY MIGHT BE SAVED...... The BELIEVING ONES are chosen by God and give them to Jesus BEFORE THE WORLD 🌎 BEGAN, according to the scriptures 💯 GOD IS 100% SOVEREIGN, the Supreme Ruler Over All. Read Matthew 25:34 John 17:5-6 John 17:24 Ephesians 1:4-5 Ephesians 1:11 1st Corinthians 2:7 2nd Thessalonians 2:13 2nd Timothy 1:9 Titus 1:2 1st Peter 1:20 Revelation 13:8 Revelation 17:8

@onemindonespirit 2 ай бұрын

He’s paraphrasing. Calvinism reads John 3:16 as “well some of you are already damned”.

@oracleoftroy 2 ай бұрын

That's verse 18 actually. "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is *condemned already,* because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

@onemindonespirit 2 ай бұрын

@@oracleoftroy Wow it’s almost like you have to believe or something.

@oracleoftroy 2 ай бұрын

@@onemindonespirit Yeah. Some of us are already damned.

@Terrylb285 2 ай бұрын

Flowers is reading out of the presupposition version.

@markxivlxii1390 2 ай бұрын

LF did a bit of a faceplant in this debate.

@rayortiz6189 2 ай бұрын

Leighton did a Joyce Meyer

@DMeloMan 2 ай бұрын

After years of saying reading verse 45 meant reading the text backwards, White got exposed when he admitted that the drawing refers to teaching and learning in verse 45 and not regeneration. The drawing has to mean regeneration for Calvinism to be in the text, but White couldn't commit because it violates his own standard of exegesis.

@nightowl7066 2 ай бұрын

That's so pathetic and hypocritical. Flowers is blind to his own version of his subjective opinion

@Actualchristianity 2 ай бұрын

Oops

@coreykeplinger3391 2 ай бұрын

Jesus said, Behold, I stand at the door and knock. Calvinists believe Jesus knocks down the door.

@mach1205 Ай бұрын

I don't understand how someone of Leighton Flowers could misrepresent John 3:16. It's such a wildly popular verse. I actually like how the Christian Standard Bible presents the verse: ‭John 3:16 CSB‬ [16] For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. The way this is presented by going against the popular startoff "For God so loved the world" this translation makes it even clearer that there is ONE way that God demonstrates His love to the World, that he Gave us Jesus, so that everyone WHO believes in Him, will be gifted with eternal life The proof is what is said directly, but indirectly. Not everyone will believe in Jesus. If I can understand this as a layman with access to the CSB, why not someone like Mr. Leighton? (My post knock against the ESV or whatever your translation you favor, CSB is my preferred translation).

@michaelg4919 2 ай бұрын

I agree that he made a mistake there, but if he would've taken 1 John 2:2, then his point would have made sense. 1 John 2:2 LSB and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

@mmttomb3 2 ай бұрын

Every time "o man" LF rails against the Potters right to do with his pots as he pleases, man I just cringe. He's a perfect example of Rom. 9:14, 19. And Paul answers him Rom 9:15-18, 19-23. Just wondering, does he have another ministry besides his obsession railing against fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Really sad!

@TopJazzCat 2 ай бұрын

There’s a reason Flowers refuses to walk consistently through the text.

@joshuawoodin7 2 ай бұрын

No it's clear both sides have a claim the bible clearly seems provisionist and or calvinist. Looks obvious the man center traditions are based around the man john calvin and the man Augustin. But God must have decreed the elect to bash the reprobate right ? Say the calvinists are right. Read Obadiah it's 1 chapter long and maby on non salvific issues we can stop this division. Does it not say the body of christ is to be united or are the feet being calvinists and the hands are provistionists and the legs are young earth and the elbows are theistic evolutionist? Freewill and a rapture and the age of the earth are silly reasons to split. I noticed a huge issue with your camp and is why I am no calvinist and yes God is sovereign. But I notice most catch an elect complex and follow the man made traditions of calvinism no matter what. Like all tribalism, you start going after your own camp. James white and John macaurther don't agree. Who's right if their both elect. Calvinism destroys it's self but the elect seem to be blinded by the traditions. Freewill is not a man made tradition made in the 5th & 16th centuries before Jesus and the last 2k years we all for the most part agreed we all have freewill and are responsible for our actions. I see 2 camps that do the most strawmaning of others view I have ever seen, being calvinists and the dawah seen in islam. Calvinists act like provisionist are vampires or have leprosy and won't engage While the same calvinists talk to JWs/LDS/BHI/muslims/unitarians/pagans/pro choice/ all kinds of weird people who hate God. You draw the line at Freewill? Maby we all need to look at ourselves and what our standards are. It's clear which side is far more man centered. Specifically 2 men.

@salvadorreyes1337 2 ай бұрын

Why won't Jeff go on a live with him? He's so ready to debate atheists who blaspheme God, but he won't go on a live with him?

@coreykeplinger3391 2 ай бұрын

The Bible says I stand at the door and knock. Calvinists believe Jesus knocks down the door 😢

@AndrewL4me 2 ай бұрын

@salvadorreyes1337 A presuppositionalist can not enter a debate. Let us all just presuppose we are correct and move on with our lives. No evidence necessary for any belief system. Remember there has never been any demonstrable evidence for any of the thousands of Gods claimed by humans throughout history

@AndrewL4me 2 ай бұрын

@SolaAndTotaScriptura And why can't anybody provide demonstrable evidence for their Gods existence? Whichever God they claim

@Sher7061 2 ай бұрын

I like the phrase, Making mistake with a lot of confidence. So true.

@arpik903 2 ай бұрын

Flowers' flower has faded.

@thethreeofus2620 2 ай бұрын

It's only human arrogance and intellectual pride that cannot accept the fact that the God of scripture is absolutely sovereign over salvation. The passages are so clear and they are ubiquitous. The reason this cannot be fully understood by sinful man is because God is God and I am not.

@Lee-xn8by 2 ай бұрын

Yes, God is 100% sovereign, but he is not the author of evil and in his sovereignty he created man with the ability to choose. We know this fact because scripture tells us so over and over and over and over again.

@roguecalvinist 2 ай бұрын

Stop... Lol

@joem13yearsago73 2 ай бұрын

My goodness. Are we brothers or not?

@TopJazzCat 2 ай бұрын

Was Paul Peter’s brother when he confronted and corrected him?

@Nyagrafalls10 2 ай бұрын

@@TopJazzCatthat’s not what he’s doing. He’s playing the ding dong ditch game. It’s the poke a brother and run away tactic. Leighton has offered countless times to have discussions with Jeff and James. They refuse. Jeff has even come in the comments on leightons live broadcasts saying he is misrepresenting them, and when leighton offers to send him a link, to come on live, he refuses. Why? Jeff is very confident guy and not scared of debate. He’s had atheists and Mormons on his program, but refuses to have someone he claims is a brother on to have a discussion. Why keep making confrontation videos and refuse to do it in person? It’s childish.

@interrupts165 2 ай бұрын

Well you didn't let him finish what he was saying you interrupted him and put more presuppositions into it.

@elimartin4107 2 ай бұрын

This whole back and forth really needs to stop. I think what should happen is these two brothers need to go on each others show and have a discussion, not a debate. Don't tell the other person what they believe. Listen to them and let them tell you what the other believes and try to ask questions based on scripture about that position. Because Honestly as much as I love you brothers this make a video talking about the other person stuff is getting old. We are going to have to spend eternity with one another so we need to love each other.

@mcgruff7355 2 ай бұрын

I disagree its good to point out Leaders who want to break the word down to build it up into their image or secular ideology. There are things in the Bible that sometimes are hard to agree with like Roman's 13 ( law enforcement and poticians)but God's commands are God's Commands we accept it none the less trying to Tailor scripture or Cherry picking Scripture is manipulative and part of Deconstruction from those who want to normalize degeneracy in the Church you strike me as such...

@elimartin4107 2 ай бұрын

@@mcgruff7355 How so? How could you possibly come to any conclusion from one youtube comment?

@benjy288 2 ай бұрын

Flowers said he got his presuppositions from John, he wasn't quoting directly from John, but there's plenty of verses that debunk calvinism, for example Romans 5:18 just as one trespass brought brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. Now a calvinist believes the first part of that verse, that one trespass brought condemnation for all men, but they don't believe the second part, that Jesus sacrifice brought justification and life for all men, they have to change the definition of all men to mean God's elect, but the problem is its the exact same word used in both cases, so you can't have it mean all men the first time its used, but then change its meaning to God's elect the second time its used, just let the text speak for itself.

@mmttomb3 2 ай бұрын

So you're a Universalist? Because if, through Adam, bought condemnation to ALL men, one act of righteousness brought justification and life for ALL men. So are ALL men saved? Paul is writing to the "we", and the "our", those who have "peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"(v2, ). Condemnation to all mankind through Adam, yes. Righteousness to those in Christ, yes! And who are they? The Church, the "ekklesia"; the "called out ones", from Jew and gentile, the elect.

@benjy288 2 ай бұрын

@@mmttomb3 Just as I said in my original comment, the calvinist has to change the meaning of words in order to make the bible fit their theology, if your theory is correct then Paul is saying that Adam's sin only brought condemnation for the elect, because he's writing to the elect, so I guess the non elect aren't condemned then. And no I'm not a universalist, because the bible tells us that we have to believe in Jesus, calvinists always seem to miss that part, so that whoever believes in him shall not perish.

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

How did the one trespass bring condemnation for all men?

@benjy288 2 ай бұрын

@@signposts6189 Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

@benjy288 What do you think Paul means by "because all sinned?"

@justinjustin4605 2 ай бұрын

2:12 no one is squiting because thats how everyone has always understood the verse to mean, which flowers was doing, explaining how the verse is understood...

@fruitsnacks155 2 ай бұрын

that is how some people have understood the verse. not everyone:)

@edgararevalo1685 2 ай бұрын

Who is “everyone” you speak of? Sounds like you’re doing the same error. Using presuppositions.

@justinjustin4605 2 ай бұрын

@@fruitsnacks155 are you pre supposing my “everyone” means everyone?

@garrettklawuhn9874 2 ай бұрын

Preacher: God loves everyone in the world Calvinists: 😂😂😂 good one!

@douglasmcnay644 2 ай бұрын

The Word makes explicit reference to God hating the wicked. What do you make of that?

@calvinholt5630 2 ай бұрын

Is love predestining men to Hell?

@TopJazzCat 2 ай бұрын

Can’t be honest even the video right in front of you, huh?

@garrettklawuhn9874 2 ай бұрын

@@TopJazzCat That was Jeff and the other’s response to Dr. Flowers saying God loves everyone in the world.

@bradenalexander2477 2 ай бұрын

@garrettklawuhn9874 take it up with God's word.

@gageterrell545 2 ай бұрын

Only the Calvinist will mock the God who loves everyone

@chupacabrathealien8307 2 ай бұрын

Only Calvinist understand the significant of the precious love of God.

@teejay7510 2 ай бұрын

Have you not read in the scriptures that God is angry with the wicked every day? And even in His anger He displays tremendous patience with them but that day of patience will come to an end and the only thing left will be His righteous anger.

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

@@chupacabrathealien8307 Only a Calvinist can understand the secret society of TUPLIPers and illuminates.

@Lee-xn8by 2 ай бұрын

@@chupacabrathealien8307 Your God is the author of evil. You are blind!

@jordanlara2214 2 ай бұрын

“The world” obviously implies “everyone in it” This is not a presupposition. It is a plain interpretation of what the text obviously implies. The Calvinist is the one that ignores what the text obviously implies and presupposes that “the world” really means “the elect” How do you guys not see this? Calvinism sucks so bad in so many ways

@christopheravery9585 2 ай бұрын

You honestly think Dr. Flowers was quoting John 3:16 and not paraphrasing it? Ya. Weak.

@Rogerprovy 2 ай бұрын

Leighton is well meaning

@michellecheriekjv4115 2 ай бұрын

Is he? How come he doesn't expound the Scripture properly? In context? It's not like he's learning. Google his discussion/debate with Matt Yester on the Golden chain of Redemption. He couldn't get it then...and he's only more hardened now. God says He has an Elect group of people.... Leighton Flowers says Elected to service only? God only calls Unsaved, unbelievers to serve him? That's wrong. Look at 2 Thess 2:13 God has from the beginning chosen you for Salvation. It's written down...✝️

@Rogerprovy 2 ай бұрын

@@michellecheriekjv4115 what are you yapping about?? Have you seen his videos?

@justinjustin4605 2 ай бұрын

@@michellecheriekjv4115 why did you stop reading half way through the verse? ”But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬ God chose the means for salvation to be through sanctification for those that will believe

@michellecheriekjv4115 2 ай бұрын

@@Rogerprovy 😂🤣 Ya....l've seen him denying the Biblical Doctrines of Foreknowledge predestination Election....📖 Scripture is pretty clear that unless you are Quickened into New Life...the things of God are foolishness...and you can't know them....

@Lee-xn8by 2 ай бұрын

@@michellecheriekjv4115 I'm not a big Flowers fan, but he absolutely doesn't deny Foreknowledge, predestination, or election. Your'e not paying attention.

@ndjarnag 2 ай бұрын

Lol. This is dungeons and dragons for adults.

@not_milk 2 ай бұрын

I feel like the only people I’ve ever known who played D&D were adults

@salvadorreyes1337 2 ай бұрын

Leighton wasnt quoting any texts, he was stating his presupposition. Jeff, stop ducking Flowers, and go on a live with him. You keep refusing to do so, and you blocked him on Twitter. Jeff is okay with debating Atheist who hate God, yet he says he lost respect for Flowers.

@JadDragon 2 ай бұрын

You guys seem really happy with the belief that God should hate people and you're the special class. Pretty revealing the glee you get at the idea that people are conceived damned.

@robmc120 2 ай бұрын

you seem really focused on fallacious appeal to emotion...

@JadDragon 2 ай бұрын

@@robmc120 in what way?

@robmc120 2 ай бұрын

@@JadDragon "You guys seem really HAPPY with the belief that God should HATE people and you're the special class. Pretty revealing the GLEE" Will you represent God as categorically sovereign over His creation or not? Will you refrain from fallacious strawman of their statements? Please refrain from fallacious emotion as you did with your initial comment. Didnt LF himself say something about "choice meats".....? You claim _THEY_ think theyre a "special class"? Be honest man....

@JadDragon 2 ай бұрын

@@robmc120 did I address their argument at all? I addressed their behaviour. I am being honest. You're the one acting defensively and accusing me of things but being unable to actually explain how or why.

@robmc120 2 ай бұрын

@@JadDragon "I addressed their behaviour." Yes, called fallacious appeal to emotion, pointing out subjective emotions instead of objective truth WHY God hates the people (His justice against sin & sovereignty to omnisciently/omnipotently do what He wants with His creation).

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

I agree with you on many things, but, not on the false gospel of Calvinism. Calvinism lines up with Hinduism. What Dr. Leighton Flowers is explaining is John 3:16 does not say, God loved elect or select people of the world, instead, God loved the whole world and Christ died for all not just for TUPLIPers. It's totally unfair to mock and say, what Dr. Flowers is explaining, is, written verbatim in Bible.

@pietersmith9745 2 ай бұрын

Untrue. I've got dozens of former Hindu converts in my local church. All of them are passionate evangelists who became convinced of Calvinism. Let's just say the Hindus do not like our openly Calvinist church.

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

@@pietersmith9745 Unfortunately, you are supporting what I said. Hindus' (I know a ton of them) believe, God is a puppet master or robot maker or Movie director, of humans, HE (arbitrarily) chooses designated roles for each individual and that individual simply plays it out on the stage of life, like an actor with a set script (unconditional election, irresistible grace). This is pretty much what Calvinism and TULIP misleads Christians into, so, yes, a Calvinism is an easy sell for Hindu converts, but, in my humble opinion, this is false Christianity.

@pietersmith9745 2 ай бұрын

@eddyk4062 did you read my reply? It doesn't support your point at all. Also, if you think Calvinists believe God is a pupit master you're wrong. I recommend you stop listening at what people say ABOUT calvinism and start speaking to some actual Calvinist about what we believe. Strawmaning is unethical and unchristian. Something you should be ashamed of. Stop making arguments against stuff we don't believe.

@eddyk4062 2 ай бұрын

@@pietersmith9745 Brother, every letter in TULIP is wrong, portrays our God as unfair, cruel and unrighteous. Sad to say, Calvinists believe some (unelect) babies who die, may go to hell. Do you believe this? Do Calvinists like you consider themselves, as "elect" or "not elect" or "dono"? If you think, you are "elect", how did you come to that conclusion or vice versa? Look, it is easy to sound elitist and ignore all the verses in Bible that scream Calvinism is a "pulp fiction" story. Please listen to Dr. Flowers and free yourself from this false gospel being marketed as TULIPism. I may never convince you out of Calvinism, I will never become a Calvinist either, pray for me and I will pray for you. For sure, only one of us is correct, and let's agree on that 🙂

@Cts_99 Ай бұрын

Read your Bible kid. Romans 8&9 John 6&10

@andrewtsousis3130 2 ай бұрын

T-says we can’t believe (takes away our requirement to believe in Christ alone for salvation) U - says some are already saved from eternity past (takes away our requirement to believe in Christ alone for salvation) L-says Christ died for elect only (takes away our requirement to believe in Christ alone for salvation) I-says God will make you believe (takes away our requirement to believe in Christ alone for salvation) P-says God will keep you believing (takes away our requirement to believe in Christ alone for salvation) Any doctrine that takes away our requirement to believe in Christ alone for salvation is a false teaching.

@BibleStudywithVernon 2 ай бұрын

Read a confession of faith and then come back. Stop repeating foolishness and learn the position for yourself

@andrewtsousis3130 2 ай бұрын

@@BibleStudywithVernon if anyone has to question if their family and friends are elect, their hope for salvation is not in Christ alone. It’s in election. Any doctrine that takes the focus off Christ alone for salvation is a false teaching.

@caseycockerham3925 2 ай бұрын

@andrewtsousis3130 its funny you quote Christ alone when it was the 16th century Reformers who first espoused the position in direct opposition to Rome. It's because we believe in Christ alone that our election is sure. You're greatly misrepresenting Christ alone and Reformed Theology

@BibleStudywithVernon 2 ай бұрын

@@andrewtsousis3130 God elects those who are saved and salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ by the regeneration of the Spirit. Again, learn the position and stop repeating things.

@andrewtsousis3130 2 ай бұрын

@@BibleStudywithVernon no where in scripture does it say God elects people for salvation. No where.

@fernandopaulus9088 2 ай бұрын

This is a huge fail Jeff, the world means everyone in it and that’s not a presupposition, nice try 😆

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

Which is what you presuppose about the word 'world' that it means 'everyone in it' wherever or whenever you see it without regard for how it may be used in context.🤭

@fernandopaulus9088 2 ай бұрын

@@signposts6189 nobody presupposes the word world, if God died for the world and that is supposed to mean people then it’s everyone in the world, that’s a definition and not a presupposition. If you claim world there means something else then you have stepped into a presupposition.

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

@fernandopaulus9088 Using your definition of the word 'world,' I should take it that you don't love everyone in the world, right? After all, the Bible commands; "‭"Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you." (1 John 2:15 NLT).

@fernandopaulus9088 2 ай бұрын

@@signposts6189 these are basics things, if by world you mean things of it then it’s all of it, if world means people it means all of it

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

@@fernandopaulus9088 So you don't love the world by which you mean everyone in it, right?

@ShuwshanEmeq-xb3mk 2 ай бұрын

Presuppositions ..... If Jesus doesn't restate the entire law, then it is done away with. ...... Certain abominations are no longer abominations (food laws). ...... Then Yahweh called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them..." (thus Jesus)..... Sorry, if you think God changed all the food laws and how and when to worship Him. Won't you come to the wedding banquet? We've all been invited, but He won't share a table with Pig and Easter. He is the Passover Lamb, not my will but Yours Father. He doesn't change, and He doesn't follow the Catholic traditions of men! He ordained His Feasts forever!

@JesusistheonetrueGod 2 ай бұрын

Sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

@plushie.fans.inc.toy-reviews. 2 ай бұрын

Calvanism is such a lie... I love what yall do for the unborn, but as I continue to study scripture and have learned a lot more of direct teachings of Calvin... Im losing respect for this channel. You are deliberately misrepresenting Flowers with this clip. Im sorry... I'll pray for yall... but your soteriology is NOT biblical. ❤ God bless and may more people come to accept the truth of the gospel. Edit: here are just a few passages to support my claim that calvanism is unbiblical. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,[e] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”[f] Romans 1:16-17 John 3:15-17 English Standard Version 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.[a] For God So Loved the World 16 “For God so loved the world,[b] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. I TIMOTHY 2:1-7 NKJV 1Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle-I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying-a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

@caseycockerham3925 2 ай бұрын

How so? Have you ever read the Institutes?

@bradenalexander2477 2 ай бұрын

Great job using scripture to support your view! Oh, wait...

@thinketernal260 2 ай бұрын

read Romans chapter 9

@jonathonmyers1587 2 ай бұрын

Read Ezekiel 36: 22-32. God regenerates, put's His Spirit in you, and causes you to desire obedience -- then you repent because you can now recognize the evilness of your deeds. There is no room for Flowers' Soteriology in the process of Salvation. God is not waiting by hoping that you will just accept His generous offer ... the dead (our spiritual state prior to regeneration ... See Ephesians chapter 2) could never respond ... the first resurrection is the resurrection of our spiritual soul, and the resurrected would never then reply "no thanks, I prefer death."

@lectorintellegat 2 ай бұрын

The only question that matters is this: what is biblical? And then, what follows by good and necessary consequence from scripture? Exhaustive sovereignty is so explicit, so replete throughout the scriptures, as to make your objection bizarre.

@coreykeplinger3391 2 ай бұрын

I think you are being unfair and dishonest and fail to see the big picture in your zeal for your aha moment with Leighton. The Bible does say that he died for our sins and those of the whole world. 1 John 2:2. If he died for all the sins of all people then why are not all saved? Acts 10:43. We are saved through faith and faith comes by hearing not before hearing. Leighton has invited Jeff Durbin on his show many times? So why don't you straighten him out? At least go on his show/podcast and be a Man and defend what you believe instead of hiding behind a Mic. Everyone is a tough guy behind a Mic or keyboard. I'll come on your show. I'm not scared.

@PeteJab 2 ай бұрын

😂

@oracleoftroy 2 ай бұрын

_"The Bible does say that he died for our sins and those of the whole world. 1 John 2: 2."_ Yes. _"If he died for all the sins of all people then why are not all saved? Acts 10:43. We are saved through faith and faith comes by hearing not before hearing."_ So God condemns legally innocent people for just not believing? Why? How is that just? And where does the hearing come from? Ourselves? "...and hearing through the word of Christ." You didn't make your ears and you didn't open your ears. God does that. I would reexamine your reading of 1 Jn 2: 2 and ask if "world" here doesn't just mean "world" rather than make it about just people. Scripture teaches that not just humans, but all of creation is under the curse of sin, and not just humans, but all of creation will be redeemed in Christ.

@ironleatherwood 2 ай бұрын

Jeff. You're preaching a false gospel.

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

How so?

@ironleatherwood 2 ай бұрын

@signposts6189 John 3:16-18 means exactly what God says it says. Calvinisim teaches something different. They twist many scriptures to fit their false teaching. God bless you

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

@@ironleatherwood And what do you suppose John 3:16-18 exactly says?

@ironleatherwood 2 ай бұрын

@@signposts6189 read it then pray

@signposts6189 2 ай бұрын

@ironleatherwood Read it, then pray is not an answer to what John 3:16-18 exactly says. You allege an alternative interpretation. So explain your position instead of unduly attacking another position as "something different," and saying other Christians "twist many Scriptures to fit their false teaching."