Factorio teaches you software engineering, seriously.

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A video essay about how Factorio shares an incredible amount of similarities with Software Engineering and Computer Science. And how playing the game makes you a Software Engineer! (kinda sorta really).
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@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Man this is the best fking community ever, ya'll are too nice and so freaking wholesome

@itsjustrobby 5 ай бұрын

This is such a good video. Thank you!

@teknoid5878 5 ай бұрын

And the game is like a decade old, but still great with DLC quality mods. Already a month on K2 + Space exploration, still half of the tech tree. :D

@Sunneyred 5 ай бұрын

Great video youre gonna blow up dude keep uploading it will happen, you earned my sub

@teaser6089 5 ай бұрын

The Factory Must Grow

@santi_z48 4 ай бұрын

U da 🐐

@DoshDoshington 5 ай бұрын

Being a software engineer turned me into a Factorio Player

@pyaehtetaung 5 ай бұрын

I dream to be a game dev. I think I will turn into a Factorio player when dlc is released. 😅

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Dosh ooc have you had any success with talking to your fans' moms? Huge fan btw.

@TheCheese117 4 ай бұрын

Teach me how to play space exploration Dosh 🙏

@mg-by7uu 4 ай бұрын

Me too but only when I don't have enough jobs to fill my brain to capacity.

@KreyMcKii 4 ай бұрын

Being a Factorio player will have turned me into a software engineer(if I can stop playing Factorio for long enough and actually pass my exams)

@enyakstew7107 4 ай бұрын

Playing factorio gave me the idea of pursuing software engineering. After 3 years as a Software engineer, I finally reached my goal, which is to get better at Factorio.

@chadwells7562 4 ай бұрын

😂

@piemaster6512 4 ай бұрын

The factory MUST grow.

@austin-poole 4 ай бұрын

Factorio > $500K package from Netflix 😂😂

@sailorjune2121 4 ай бұрын

Same but with bitburner

@kh4i2h4r3 4 ай бұрын

esport is a thing, now lets make Factorio a courses too....or maybe it already did....

@alexcrouse 3 ай бұрын

The new invention that blows my mind in this video is: a funny software engineer.

@nuisanceguru Ай бұрын

he's had the luck of not being an electrical or computer engineer

@tomchambers4537 13 күн бұрын

Yeah seriously this is like a different angle of micheal Reeves. If this guy keeps at it and improves he could actually do really well on here.

@privatesocialhandle 15 күн бұрын

Bro is so charismatic I only caught that he's wearing socks mid vid.

@SUpeREleCtRoSTaLIN 7 күн бұрын

My eyes was on hes cool socks. Video stats ending and i realize he is cool asian guy.

@SUpeREleCtRoSTaLIN 6 күн бұрын

My comment here was deleted. Did i say something wrong? I just make reverse socks joke :(

@robertdracosu8115 23 сағат бұрын

me too

@Trupen 4 ай бұрын

Factorio is like the best part of programming turned into game Which literally makes it a crack for engineers...

@loltroll2 4 ай бұрын

You can never watch a Factorio Video in peace... everytime you find out TRUPEN WAS ALREADY HERE!

@kyand920 4 ай бұрын

Trupen is everywhere.

@Jakub-vv2sc 4 ай бұрын

He's like Big Brother who watching all factorio comiunity

@Trupen 4 ай бұрын

@@loltroll2

@daze8410 4 ай бұрын

I would like two cracks please

@GKRainwater 5 ай бұрын

My mom really liked this video

@aa898246 5 ай бұрын

your mother is a really nice person

@mattshu 5 ай бұрын

she's a nice lady

@noname-dj7vj 5 ай бұрын

Can confirm, I am his mother and I like this video

@LinkRammer 5 ай бұрын

Cap

@s0kulite 5 ай бұрын

Can confirm, I am his brother and my mother liked this video.

@rashkavar 6 күн бұрын

One thing that's worth noting: a lot of these shared terms actually come from a third, much older discipline called industrial engineering. Which is pretty much playing Factorio for real. Say you're running a textile business in the early industrial revolution. You work with linen, so you buy flax, you have to break it down into fibres, you have to spin those fibers into thread, you have to run that thread through a loom to make fabric, and you need to bundle that fabric up into bolts to be sold. And to make things complicated, you also make bedsheets and tablecloths, so you also do some sewing using thread and fabric to make your sheets and tablecloths. (No idea if these were available off the shelf in those days, I know clothing generally wasn't, but this is just to make a point. Ok, so you've got a facility that produces thread and fabric. How many spinning jennies do you need? How many powered looms? What kind of steam engine do you need to run all that? And because the steam engine is noisy and disrupts the people who are sewing your sheets and tablecloths, you have them in a different facility - how often do you need to cart a shipment from your textile factory to your sewing people. The only facility available for this was across town, did you decide to transport your stuff all the way across town, or just pay some folks living nearby to make product for you in their own homes? If you did the latter, how are you managing your deliveries of materials and picking up of product? These are literal business decisions that have had to be made pretty much since the advent of the factory in its earliest form, and have been studied by actual engineers for a similar length of time. I still have my notes from that class!

@sergiod3v 2 күн бұрын

great comment, very interesting, thank you!

@PhazerTech Күн бұрын

You could compare Factorio to pretty much any process that humans do, some which have existed for thousands of years. For example, farming. People have been trying to optimize farming since the beginning of time. More food = good. But it's not that simple, it requires a bunch of little details and other smaller tasks to do. Someone could probably do a 1 hour video comparing all the similarities with Factorio and farming. Also there have been plenty of games before Factorio which are essentially the same thing. Off the top of my head Sim City and Roller Coaster Tycoon. At the end of the day it's just management. I think it's fun that people are comparing Factorio to software engineering but at the same time some people might be taking this too seriously.. the reality is learning Factorio doesn't make you a software engineer. There are a ton of other skills required to be a successful engineer.

@jk_lol9266 9 күн бұрын

bro, the attention aid you added to the "Storytime" section unironically kept me engaged and listening to the entire story. Idk why I'm so impressed by this, but i am.

@MuhsinFatih 5 ай бұрын

I'm a software engineer and you just convinced me to play factorio. Not even kidding

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

As I said in another comment, please consider carefully about this - especially if you have real life responsibilities like eating and sleeping! Half jokes aside, I'm happy to hear that I'm making an impact in the Factorio AND software engineering community. Thank you for commenting!!

@Spheraz 5 ай бұрын

just doing your job in another format without the part where you get paid lmao

@jmatya 5 ай бұрын

It has been 14 hours now, please consider going to the toilet and get some sleep

@galfisk 5 ай бұрын

Factorio is seriously fun, but I found it a bit limiting that there is a clear "best" way to do many things, just by figuring out the ratios of production and consumption. I enjoy the constrained freedom of the Zachtronics games even more, and have finished SpaceChem and started TIS-100 and Shenzhen IO so far. Kerbal Space Program is also a ton of fun, though it lacks consistent goals and challenges (I find many of the procedural contracts to be soulless) - but you can set your own or accept those set by others to infinity.

@dripthanos5595 5 ай бұрын

@@galfisk i mean sure there is the "best" way, but there are so many ways of achieving that "best" way. personally i like making my production into fractions of 900, since thats the normal belt speed per minute

@programmer437 5 ай бұрын

If you build city blocks, you’re heavily into object oriented languages. If you build main bus, you code procedurally. If you build spaghetti, you code in perl.

@angeldude101 5 ай бұрын

What style would be best suited for a functional programmer?

@programmer437 5 ай бұрын

@@angeldude101 - functional and procedural are sortof two sides of the same coin in my opinion. But I think a functional programmer would lean slightly more towards city blocks, or at least dedicating certain areas of the base to certain things. A true Object oriented developer who understands things like super classes and inheritance might lean towards more generic blocks (mining block, chemical block) that can fit multiple needs while functional programming would be more specific (electric motor block, light oil block, etc).

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Pretty solid analogy and interesting thoughts! Definitely am thinking more about functional programming after reading these comments :)

@angeldude101 5 ай бұрын

@@programmer437 Functional programming is largely about composing small pieces into larger blocks. This sounds more like creating blueprints for each individual recipe and then plugging the output of one directly into another before blueprinting the whole thing as another block.

@haraldbackfisch1981 5 ай бұрын

But the train is the main bus, or is this Rust then?

@AB-nu7wr 2 ай бұрын

Stylistically....don't change a thing, I was absolutely hooked all the way through and LOVE this format. (Thank you for the "attention" videos during story time 6:24 ) As someone about to embark on their software engineering journey, I hope you continue to make this kind of content!

@AtraxX98 3 ай бұрын

I was confused when you told that story that I didn’t see the cutting soap video first. But when I saw it and red the subtitles I laughed SO HARD. You’re probably becoming one of those KZfaqrs who rarely upload but when you upload it’s something unique and a lot of fun to watch.

@heyitskae 4 ай бұрын

My experience in Factorio has led me to a singular conclusion: I am not fit to be a software engineer.

@birchcove8454 4 ай бұрын

lol same, though this video makes me want to try again

@iCookCrystalMeth 4 ай бұрын

@@birchcove8454likewise except i’ve never played it. pull me out if my brain grows too large brothers

@dezimo 4 ай бұрын

You can be a professional software engineer and still suck at Factorio!

@kotzpenner 4 ай бұрын

It’s all fine until wiring comes up

@prome3439 4 ай бұрын

Played it with some friends. After first or second science i build myself a 4x4 belt and watched myself rotate. I couldnt comprehend it anymore.

@entangledatoms7153 4 ай бұрын

Imagine taking a Software Engineering class and the teacher just gives you a computer that has Factorio on it.

@mistowasabi5443 2 ай бұрын

Highschool freshman year, and the dots are just clicking softmore year of college 👍

@somebodyspecial5663 3 ай бұрын

Can't wait for the next vid!!! Seriously I was enthralled for the entire video, you're such a good presenter.

@Hyperbaric_Lyric 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for this. Obviously im addicted to Factorio and always felt so dumb when it comes to computers. Your casual approach to teaching is SO helpful when setting up an emotional openness to new knowledge. I understood ever part of this video and had a GREAT time watching it. Amazing job!

@Lithane97 4 ай бұрын

If you really want to understand the sickness that is factorio, one of the recent changelog notes for the game mentioned the need to up the max save file time played from 2 ish years because someone hit that number awhile back and overflowed some variables, causing their save game to essentially be paused. The devs then decided to do the logical thing and increase the possible save file time played to over 2 million years. The factory must grow.

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

Good lord what a story lol, thanks for sharing

@iamjimgroth 4 ай бұрын

Nobody will ever need more than 2 years! 😁

@KatieDawson3636 4 ай бұрын

Nothing has made me hope that humanity has a continuous computing ability for the next 2 million years before....

@toddstephenson9849 4 ай бұрын

Steam says I have 16,000 hours playing Factorio. My big world is running all the time, I never shut it off.

@falconking9091 Ай бұрын

@@toddstephenson9849ok you're closer to 2 million than I am. I think I'm gonna try your strategy.

@thiccvicx 4 ай бұрын

I'm a med student who just started playing the game today while procrastinating studying for an exam on monday. I immediately began to compare it to the systems in biochemistry and physiology.

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

rip exam scores :'(

@toddstephenson9849 4 ай бұрын

Soon you will give up on Medicine and only play Factorio... Welcome! 🤭

@lucasmarques226 4 ай бұрын

I feel the same way when playing it because, if you notice, both physiology and biochemistry use visual schemes to describe their organized pathways for better understanding. It's almost the same as creating a clean code that you can easily debug later if necessary. But you'll notice more similarities with Factorio when you start studying pharmacology and treatment flowcharts, because they're just algorithms that teach you how to treat someone based on their signs and symptoms.

@lucasmarques226 4 ай бұрын

but bro, quit this game and focus on your course 😂

@someguy3176 4 ай бұрын

If you're a student, be careful with this game...

@user-ku1ho9wu9z 3 ай бұрын

I know I'm a bit late to this party, but I got words. As someone who knows basically nothing about software engineering or Factorio, this video made me want to get into both at the same time. I want to have the game open in one window and my IDE in another. You are a fantastic content creator; seriously. You have the relatability and charisma that is generally needed for this platform, as well as a knowledge of the subject matter that not only enables you to understand it, but to explain it to someone who hasn't been initiated to your field of knowledge. This stuff is golden, man. Please please please make more. I'm lovin' it. For some reason my username is defaulting to that auto-generated garbage. I don't know why.

@evanfisher64 23 күн бұрын

This is amazingly put together, I was hooked all the way through!

@matthewhambacher8249 5 ай бұрын

Okay so first, I learned what it's like to play Factorio with friends. Then I learned how NOT to play Factorio with friends (by learning what it's really like). But now I'm learning that playing Factorio will make me a software engineer? Incredible, this truly is one of the games of all time.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Indeed, a game they will continue to speak of for at least a few weeks to come!

@LuaanTi 5 ай бұрын

It's especially great in showing how software engineering works in multiplayer :P

@bartoszdobija2069 5 ай бұрын

playing factorio with friends is like constantly deploying to production without testing

@needs_more_dakka5774 5 ай бұрын

The factory must grow.

@galfisk 5 ай бұрын

The factorio must growio.

@michaelclifton2436 4 ай бұрын

Bros got some clean editing skills. This video must have taken forever.

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

It did lol, all I remember is blacking out and waking up 2 weeks later with those socks on and a finished video

@blackcitadel37 4 ай бұрын

Worth the effort

@ICanHazRecon911 4 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu socks were worth it

@kellanusher5052 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for making this video! Stupendous quality! So much so that I was surprised that it is among the first of your videos here on KZfaq. Keep up the great work!

@RavenHavice Ай бұрын

This video is put together so well that I'd be glad to watch another one

@CornusHolius 4 ай бұрын

I came to learn a little about software engineering, I stayed to figure out who the hell has been talking to my mom on Facebook. This was highly entertaining, good work.

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

Lol great comment, thanks for the support!

@14setsofingrownmolars29 4 ай бұрын

Train signals are probably a great way to talk about mutual exclusion and deadlocks when dealing with multi-threaded programs!

@aladeenzweipunktnull 4 ай бұрын

There is a reason why it is called semaphore ;)

@violatorut2003 4 ай бұрын

I wish he would do a video about that because that's the part I struggle with. Train signals, I mean.

@NaoyaYami 4 ай бұрын

@@violatorut2003 Before intersection - chain signal. After intersection - regular signal. Since chain signals combine with regular signals to create single blocks (they are separate to the game but they function as one, so same thing) make sure that after every regular signal there's a space for the largest train you expect to travel through it (so that it's ass won't take space on block before, potentially causing dead lock on intersection).

@gameringdudeguy1126 4 ай бұрын

after dealing with train signals very early and a lot, i feel like a godlike being for even understanding how city block rails work

@Koruvax 4 ай бұрын

Trains are the great divider in my experience. Up until them it's a lego set, mash it together and it works. Then you dip your toe into using train lines. You've been on trains, they just trundle along. You've balanced conveyors all day long, how hard can trains be? And BOOM, completely new puzzle. Completely new puzzle, with so few parts, yet so much fun to solve!

@radpechi 4 ай бұрын

Definitely refreshing to watch a video like this again, I haven't seen your other videos but in my opinion it's a great balance of entertainment and knowledge/seriousness. It's a great style and format, especially when compared to some videos nowadays that are either too chaotic or too stretched out.😂

@nickdavidson8359 3 ай бұрын

Dude this was excellent. I can clearly see all the parallels you draw here. You should definitely make the next one.

@colinwong1059 4 ай бұрын

My love for factorio got me to start exploring software engineering at a really young age! I am now a psych major.

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

Lmao well done, I’m glad at least one of us is actually getting their problems solved

@smoove2303 4 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhuthat’s a funny assumption you think psychologists have there shit together

@djordje123king 4 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu It's a cardinal sin for a psychologist to diagnose themselves, it's a treasure they guide others to

@yashaswikulshreshtha1588 4 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu I didn't think I'd end up in a medicine program :(

@gogauze 4 ай бұрын

I actually finished my psych programs and practiced for a while (disabled now, meh). Then I got interested in software for the fun, and now I'm about to download factorio. RIP

@lvutodeath 5 ай бұрын

"I know that this is cringe" This is what KZfaq supposed to be. You making videos that you like and share it with others that also might like. Keep making videos man! I love the content!

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Man really appreciate it! It's really heartwarming to read comments like this, thank you!! Seeing all the positive responses really make me want to double down on this :)

@liliumbellsong8851 5 ай бұрын

you dropped this👑

@DeltaOmega553 2 ай бұрын

This was fun and entertaining. I really appreciate the comparisons and connections you made between the two. Nice work 😄

@Diacred 3 ай бұрын

Very cool parallel, I think this is a great visual guide to better understand the basics the big concepts of software engineering. Kudos to you!

@Costel9000 5 ай бұрын

Change NOTHING to this format, it's brilliant! The pacing, the jokes, the knowledge break-down, everything just right! *chef's kiss*

@emreapaydn4064 4 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@WhizPill 4 ай бұрын

@@emreapaydn4064instant subbed

@migillett 5 ай бұрын

I was a video editor for 15 years. I have 600+ hours in Factorio. I am now a software developer. You are correct.

@swazgaming3181 4 ай бұрын

I was a developing software. Played 1k hours in Factorio after taking a break from developing software. I am now trying to edit videos. xD

@migillett 4 ай бұрын

@@swazgaming3181 hey, do both! I do a lot of work with ffmpeg at work. Automate those video edits.

@mikebarber8871 3 ай бұрын

Such a funny and insightful video! And I love that you just casually did it in your xmas socks!

@katherineraffa5881 14 күн бұрын

I absolutely loved this video!!! Can only imagine how much time and effort went into it, but please make more you’re really great at articulating these concepts

@GigaCraft-420 5 ай бұрын

I'm so jealous there is a guy that has played Factorio 12k hours more than me

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Idk man, maybe god stays in the sky because he fears he’ll be the only one to remember the sun once we all get +12k hrs in Factorio

@owholypwner3548 5 ай бұрын

i was playing Factorio with mods (krastorio, space exploration) and ow boi, the systems get so bananas that i have to play for one hour just to rediscover what i was doing haha

@userisamonkey 5 ай бұрын

Modded players man, they're on a different level. Bob's and Angel's runs can go for an eternity

@Soken50 4 ай бұрын

@@owholypwner3548 As a Pyanodon's mods player, ToDoList and Foreman2 are my best friends

@-minushyphen1two379 4 ай бұрын

@@owholypwner3548 I modularized my Nullius base with trains, so it’s easier to keep some things in mind, but building the whole factory after physics science packs took a long time, with all the intermediates, so I stopped doing it

@avi7278 5 ай бұрын

God I would love to see someone put 4,000 hours of Factorio on their resume.

@ecogreen123 4 ай бұрын

"best i can do is 1000 hours of factorio" "your fired"

@showtun1_655 2 ай бұрын

“Work or factorio, you can only have one”

@Ky_Ky_Ky 2 ай бұрын

You are really good at this video essay style video format. Good job, make more stuff!

@user-kl4rd 7 күн бұрын

You did phenomenal. I loved every part of it! If you made another video about the monolithic aspect the same way, it would be perfect!

@xaaf 5 ай бұрын

I love how unhinged yet super solidly structured this video is As someone who loves factorio and also studies computer science, I relate to this and love this explanation

@EndertheWhite 5 ай бұрын

Not a cringe video. Really creative, I enjoyed the topic and the way you presented it. Pretty funny too! Good work.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for the really nice comment!! Will definitely consider working on a sequel

@toxyjohn 20 күн бұрын

Great explanations with some good humor, really well put together. Really enjoyed watching this.

@matthewm7590 5 күн бұрын

Genuinely one of the most entertaining programming videos I’ve ever seen. Great points, great ideas too! This was the first video of yours I’ve seen and you earned my sub

@ElPolaia 4 ай бұрын

I'm a Software Engineer working as DevOps. I just noticed my last Factorio game is completely containerized and I made a Kubernetes control plane with train logic.

@dangerousflyer4485 4 ай бұрын

I strive to learn programming as my second language lmao

@ivanstoykov4557 4 ай бұрын

I'm a SE who was emotionally stunted by my parents in early childhood, and I need another video of you explaining how a monolithic program, relates to Factorio, and how they both enable you to talk to my mom.

@seeexy 4 ай бұрын

this and yes i kinDa agRee. .

@ToyKeeper 4 ай бұрын

Factorio is very similar to low-level circuit design and high-level service architecture. It's not very similar to all the stuff in-between though.

@matthewdouglas2373 2 ай бұрын

This was great. Would love to see you continue this type of education because it was entertaining and you're good at explaining things.

@rendiggietydog 4 ай бұрын

you explained everything so well that everything seemed so obvious, so damn cool dude i loved your video!!

@garandman34 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been trying to voice this to my friends for years that never give this game a shot. But I could not do it with this Intellectual prowess. Hopefully sharing this video with them will show them the magic for inspiration.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

I am extremely pleased to hear this lol. You have no idea how many (literal) years I've spent thinking about this and finally have found the time and motivation to put this video together - glad to hear I could provide some catharsis to you as well!!

@-sleepy- 5 ай бұрын

you've been trying to tell your friends that this game will make you a "software engineer"?

@garandman34 5 ай бұрын

@@-sleepy- no, that it mimics many of the concepts used networking and circuitry as he describes here. Also tying straight in to your motherboard provides much more broadband to allow higher throughputs than through a remote mounted device running through a sata cable. General things of that nature

@Mundaayn 4 ай бұрын

Hey man, fantastic work, would very much want to see the next video you want to make, this one was so great and learned a lot of stuff i kinda applied implicitly in Satisfactory. Keep up the great work!

@fitzcatalyst9023 Ай бұрын

the editing scaling intro was hilarious i love it great video so far

@Rahapallo 4 ай бұрын

I had a kind of similar experience as a kid with the old Sierra citybuilder games like Pharaoh and Caesar 3. Only realized it after I studied software engineering for a couple of years. Parents, let your kids play.

@zackyoung6504 3 ай бұрын

Or for those really in the loop, Zeus: Master of Olympus. God, I’m old. 😂

@ludvig3242 2 ай бұрын

They tend to

@natewilburn301 4 ай бұрын

Excellent video, this was brilliant! One thing I’ve always noticed is when looking at CPU Architecture under a microscope, it looks like an extremely optimized and monumental Factorio plant. If in your next video you could include things like buses transporting data, smelters caching data, Assemblers being Logic, and so on it would make for a highly interesting video in my opinion. Great stuff!

@mockingspongebob773 4 ай бұрын

self similarity (fractals)

@scattereddrifter 3 ай бұрын

Ooh I adore your style and humor a lot. Was an amazing video to watch and as a person tutoring software engineering for bachelor students Its great how you could break down and convert those topics into examples of factorio or other analogy! Thanks a lot, you're great

@AnuragSaikia-qi2lb Ай бұрын

wow Tony, amazing video man, you put so much effort, really well doneeeee!!!

@philipbeauford 4 ай бұрын

7:30ish in on readability: YES!.. Ive been saying this to agency after agency for years. Literally the milliseconds in performance you gain from making any maintained code less readable is just going to screw you later when that code needs to be updated bc now that everythings been oddly tucked together or just generally obfuscated in some way, you'll need to go back through all of this 'optimized' code and basically make it readable again just to complete the update. TIME WASTED in the end so.. learn to think ahead and always lean towards readable code!

@geneanthony3421 3 ай бұрын

One of my biggest issues with some coders. Build around maintenance. If you optimize something, stick it in a wrapper that's easy to work with.

@SnakebitSTI Ай бұрын

Personally, I'm much more familiar with the issue of having to convince people that poorly optimized, unreadable code is a problem.

@TPAKTOPsp Ай бұрын

+1000 I almost sent this to my boss. Best explanation for readability. Some people just think that saving 5$ on aws bill is way better than hours wasted in debugging and understanding the mess later.

@geneanthony3421 Ай бұрын

@@TPAKTOPsp I usually show people Indian telephone poles to give people a visual representation of what's it's like trying to maintain spaghetti code.

@ForgBorger 22 күн бұрын

I can’t remember who it was attributed to, but i once read “debugging code is more difficult than writing code. if you are always as clever as possible when writing your code, by definition you are not smart enough to debug it”

@JaveyJenkins 5 ай бұрын

One of my former coworkers used his factorio game to get a job as a warehouse planner during his interview. As a player I would love to here your take on combinators and such. I find they frustrating at first but after a thousand hours, they are indispensable.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Man that’s actually awesome to hear that (1) factorio helped someone get a job and (2) the interviewer was cool enough to understand / “get it.” I was actually looking into combinators during the creation of this vid but they still terrify me and I have much to learn. Will definitely give it another look now that you’ve mentioned it!!

@salce_with_onion 5 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu DoshDoshington made a 3 minute video followed by 46 minute insanity bonus about combinators

@lovalmidas 5 ай бұрын

If factorio belts are your software bus, then circuit networks are where software moves into hardware. The core idea is that you are implementing *sensors* (both binary and counters) and transforming them into I/O signals, and they are effectively used as relays into other areas of your 'factory/software' bus. If circuit networks are hardware signals, then it follows that combinators are effectively hardware drivers, the 'black boxes' of software engineering. It helps me to move off the analogy from web/cloud-based software industry (where CPUs are the main hardware involved), and into an area with greater hardware contribution - Access interlock systems, reader devices (barcode, QR, RFID), sensing devices (thermocouples, pressure sensors, pizeoelectric sensors, Hall effect sensors), signal/protocol converters (USBRS232GPIOEthernet), hardware relays/switches, circuit breakers/fuses/alarm systems, human interface devices (buttons, keypads, keyboards, mouse) and robotics. Congrats, you are closer to real engineering where automation moves physical things in real life! :D

@JaveyJenkins 5 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu , If i remeber right he got the job with fedex. And to see a truly amazing use of combinators look up " JOSIF " or self expanding factory :)

@erfarkrasnobay 5 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu If you want to check some combinators shenanigans you might check DoshDoshington youtube channel and his "Welcome to Factorio City" Or "Building Circuit Abominations in Factorio" videos.

@foxabilo 2 ай бұрын

Those socks should receive sanctions from the UN.

@mindless_drift 2 ай бұрын

This video is great, it's really entertaining and educational, the style and formatting of it was great to. I'm really excited for part 2

@cyance2029 5 ай бұрын

As someone who has spent of lot of time playing factorio and generally doesn't know what to do with their life this just motivated me to go down the route of software engineering, Thank you, can't wait to see the next video

@zaks7 4 ай бұрын

Best of luck!!! I love it when gamers find purpose in life :D Also maybe you can consider emsy/computer engineering! It's more in line with such games than even software engg.

@lukebogsdil9176 4 ай бұрын

Do it! I learned after playing factorio, if you played correctly then you already know how to program. (not kidding)

@certaindeath7776 4 ай бұрын

i was dissatisfied with work in different sectors and companies for a decade, then had no job for almost a decade. someday i started playing factorio. now im a software engineer. real story. totally not far fedged and simplified cause and effects. ;)

@sloppyy 4 ай бұрын

as a software engineer who doesn't know what to do with their life, this just motivated me to go down the route of factorio

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

I support three out of the four replies in this thread. In unrelated news I am considering starting a Factorio addiction support group.

@delxiv 5 ай бұрын

As a CS and IT person with a few decades of experience, your vid was accurate, insightful, fantastically presented and pretty damm funny. Whatever your 2nd topic is, DO IT. Enjoy your well earned and deserved new subscription.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Thank you!! This is very nice, appreciate the kind words

@fireballin1717 4 ай бұрын

Do the next video, this is absolutely amazing! Loved the work. The comedy was on point and the editing *chefs kiss*, Love your work!

@cheezeebred 7 күн бұрын

I fell in love within the first 10 seconds. Keep up the great work m'dude

@chriswaller8780 4 ай бұрын

This video is a masterpiece of art. You have so completely compared the two subjects into identicality that it has bridged gaps that were already obvious into deep rooted bonds of nuance around each corner. Your shit was funny and engaging from the very first 15 seconds and you kept that energy going for the entire 21 minutes. Your channel is about to explode in popularity, I hope you're ready for it, because you just won the internet. I applaud you.

@developerjustin6306 4 ай бұрын

Called it.

@williambultman6817 4 ай бұрын

well-put

@TenpennyTower 4 ай бұрын

Real

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

God idk why I didn't respond to this comment earlier but this is one of the nicest, most beautiful comments I've received! Thanks for your kind words

@MrShadow2x 4 ай бұрын

Dude, your sense of humor and comedic timimg are incredible. I was laughing out loud so many times, even while enjoying and learning from your essay.

@dowesschule 2 ай бұрын

And that‘s his 3rd video?? Incredible!

@coachjoe5595 2 ай бұрын

I'm two months late to the party, but i read this comment right as he said, "heroin just wasn't addictive enough." The pair together, chef's kiss. I ACTUALLY laughed out loud.

@Awesomaster99 3 ай бұрын

This video is great man, love it, keep up the good work 😂

@steppan26 5 күн бұрын

This video is excellent, one of the most unique , oddly funny and surprisingly informative videos I've seen in a while. Love the humour and awkwardness. Keep it up bro

@nateg876 4 ай бұрын

As a software engineer, I can confirm that I am the problem in both worlds.

@clearskyy 4 ай бұрын

there are two wolves inside all of us: "I don't need it to look pretty, I just need it to work" followed by "omg why is this a mess I have to make this the most beautiful thing ever or my brain will explode"

@lmaoded7505 4 ай бұрын

Fucking my jira stories because the code isn't pretty definitely makes me a software engineer

@tjmethven2074 5 ай бұрын

Okay I cook for a ton of software engineers at “insert tech company here” and you just kinda made them seem so much more relatable. I have asked them what they do for work and for the life of me I couldn’t understand.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Haha honestly having eaten for two years at a "insert tech company here" cafeteria, I can almost guarantee you that your job is both more important and way more noble! Also we don't understand what we do either.

@tjmethven2074 5 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu I do love to cook, you guys give me KZfaq or Xbox or steam, whatever you program for and I feed you. And that sounds fair to me.

@DaveMetzener Ай бұрын

Great video! I never really looked at Factorio as an example of software engineering. However when you showed the examples of Scaling, Load balancing, etc... I finally saw it. I guess that's why I enjoy playing factory games so much. It's the programmer in me being able to actually code something that works. I try coding Unity and just pull my hair out. Also, Nice to see so many familiar names from the Factorio KZfaqr space that I watch as well. I hope to see way more videos from you soon!

@shadowflamers9049 4 ай бұрын

As a super nerd that sucked at school, who is teaching myself software engineering to stop getting paid hourly as a onsite IT guy... This video was hilariously entertaining, and suprisingly educational. Please do more. You did a very good job at explaining these concepts, in an entertaining yet educational manner. Future content doesn't necessarily have to be a videogame analogy. I'd just love to hear you talk about comp sci concepts more. I feel like I'd pick up some good info whilst also being entertained. (I'm 22 btw, not a boomer, so like, I for real mean it lol. You caught my age group as an audience here)

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

lol great to hear, thanks for the detailed feedback man!

@huantran1755 4 ай бұрын

Same here as the age group.

@ATwiz02 4 ай бұрын

I'm a graduate student, and I'm in the middle of writing a research proposal about using Factorio to teach Industrial Engineering. This video has brought up some perspectives i didn't consider. Thank you!

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

Super cool proposal idea! I hope it works out, you gotta let me know if you end up getting anything published!!!

@patricksha6194 2 ай бұрын

this being the first video of yours I've seen, yes I will watch any sequel you put out!

@diegocastillo4836 4 ай бұрын

This video was amazing, and super informative!! Loved it!

@ssmallishplague 4 ай бұрын

I don’t code or play that game but sat through the whole video cuz I found it’s interesting and your presentation appealing. When I got to the end of the video and you were saying you were unsure if you’d make a the second video I thought to my self “well if I’m seeing this, it must have gotten a lot of views and gotten picked up by the algorithm” Lo and behold it’s got a half a million views. Good job 👍😮🎉

@drakanion 5 ай бұрын

As a software engineer of more than 20 years and a factorio enjoyer, this was great. It's amazing how fitting the Factorio analogy is... The bigger your code base, the more and stronger, the bugs (biters) are that come attack your base, causing all kinds of other slow downs and interruptions. Also, if you want to have your mind blown, look up some of the older factorio vids where people build fully functional displays that actually encode/decode video and play it in game - Factorio is Turing Complete and an incredible video game.

@djosh3237 5 ай бұрын

"bugs" hehe

@sponge1234ify 5 ай бұрын

As a web dev (still intern), I'd like to think that the biters spoke Russian or Chinese.

@jackmalcolm 4 ай бұрын

I’d suggest DoshDoshington’s “Building circuit abominations in Factorio” he’s a fun watch.

@detaaditya6237 4 ай бұрын

I swear factorio developers made biters to look like bugs on purpose

@spellablename6099 4 ай бұрын

There was one about a year ago, I believe. A dude made a Turing complete calculator out of a rail system. He said it took like 20 days to run though

@psychoally6209 Ай бұрын

AMAZING video! I especially loved that you put the "attention aide" in to help people (like me) not accidentally tune you out during your longer segmented story!!

@ShredTV_Gaming 4 ай бұрын

This was a super cool video, and your editing style is spectacular. The attention aids were the cherry on top :D

@johnfast8674 4 ай бұрын

I loved this format, please don't change it. You've blown me away with the quality that you put out compared to your subscriber count and the fact that I've never heard of you before. As someone who enjoys messing with and building programs for fun, I understood how much effort you put into making your analogies digestible by everyone. Watching this I got some junferno vibes but you seemed to keep this much calmer and focused which was a format that I loved as well. Please keep up the great videos and I'd love to see a second follow up video. I also plan to get into factorio as soon as I figure out how to not worry about that whole "eating and sleeping" thing.

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

Feedback heard! Also these are really flattering compliments thank you for the kind words!!

@theob1712 4 ай бұрын

First time here and I agree with this guy^

@pocket-logic1154 4 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu I see a million subs in your future.. I was here at 11k ;-)

@gabrielp.40 5 ай бұрын

Watching this, I was expecting some big youtuber, not 600 views. This video has quite an impressive quality, keep up the good work, I really hope you get the attention you deserve!

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Those kind words mean a lot to me, thanks for commenting

@simonwillover4175 5 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu Yeah, it's a great video!

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

@@simonwillover4175 Thank you!! Really appreciate these comments

@GHOST25938 5 ай бұрын

We are at 10k already... "In the business, we call this foreshadowing"

@cloaker7139 5 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhuWhat you put out is amazing, honestly. This Video was a blast to watch!

@john_smith_john 3 ай бұрын

I love the editing/humor so much haha

@leonidcrux 4 ай бұрын

I absolutely love this, I say continue using this kind of style. I dont even play factorio, not even a software engineer (well i did start playing satisfactory about last week), but i was most definitely entertained and intrigued.

@czechmeoutbabe1997 4 ай бұрын

A software engineer with charisma an actual humour. Jesus christ he's too powerful, someone stop him. Also, I can already tell by the format that tell you're wonderful. Never change.

@playversetv3877 4 ай бұрын

yeh ive met too many software engineers with a bad personality, where the cool ones at?

@dinglemccringleberry9019 4 ай бұрын

@@playversetv3877 They're just out there, quietly working behind the shadows. We need to find them and get them into the spotlight and give them the recognition they deserve! Just like our guy Tony. I just accidently found this video being a randomly suggested to me. Glad I clicked it.

@XRPHsu 4 ай бұрын

His level is over 9000!!!

@TonyZhu 4 ай бұрын

Aw guys my heart! It's too sweet!! Someone get me my insulin!!! I'm sure there are cools ones out there, and you guys help make up that group of people! Keep being awesome y'all

@playversetv3877 4 ай бұрын

@@TonyZhu na f u

@richsalazme 4 ай бұрын

As a software engineer, I don't know why I haven't known about factorio until just a month ago. I just fell in love almost immediately, to the point that I spent hours only in the tutorial, just to optimize everything before achieving the actual goal 😂It is the perfect game for the field because first and foremost, it is a game, so it washes the stress away. Second, I still use the same type of mental process when approaching a certain task. Planning and picturing how everything would run before placing all the components, making it more efficient and easier to upgrade later on. If I'm being honest here.. I feel like the game made me better at work. I think it has something to do with keeping the mental exercise going even at home playing a game. It makes me think like a software engineer without tiring or stressing me out like work does.

@666Tomato666 4 ай бұрын

you think optimising in tutorial is nice.. wait till you go full beacon setup and want to have setups that take a full blue belt and output a fully compressed blue belt... It's like programming golf, or writing a haiku

@ryansmith2566 4 ай бұрын

When I started playing the game they didn't have a tut yet took 6 months just learning the basics

@samdroid37 4 ай бұрын

loved this video!! hope you are enjoying the holidays

@taayakin1108 3 ай бұрын

This video is awesome! I've watched most of it nearly 5x 😂 it's really fun and informative. Looking forward to the next one

@lowkeyproducktvt2101 4 ай бұрын

4:30 as a person who doesn't know much about Pokemon and just started learning AWS i completely accepted those names 😂

@piyerus1153 5 ай бұрын

In factorio I've really come to love the sorts of things I can do with trains, and I think it fits into the whole comparison with software engineering. Because when you first start with trains it tends to be really simple, you probably have a few dedicated trains going between specific stations, only going to and from the same spot each time, probably even on separate rail lines. Then as you learn how rail signals work you can combine things into one rail line with several different trains running on it, but each train is still just going between their normal spots. And THEN you start learning more advanced stuff, like how if you have two stations with the same name trains will be able to choose which one to go to, so instead of having "Iron Mine A", "Iron Mine B", etc you can just have several stations named "Iron Mine" and your train goes to the first available one. After that you can start going into circuit conditions and making it so that stations will only accept trains when there's something to pick up, or when there's something that needs to be delivered, so that the trains move around more efficiently. Now when you want to set up a new mine, or make a new smelting array, you can just slap down the same blueprint and the trains will automatically start rolling in without you needing to set up new schedules. Wow I kinda rambled there.

@monstersaint 3 ай бұрын

Tony! Great video dude. I've always thought this could be the case.

@nathancantino5669 2 ай бұрын

this is great. was so fun to watch, ty

@GordonWrigley 5 ай бұрын

I think you need more on the spaghetti. I think it's worth getting into maintenance and refactoring and the trade off between living with your past decisions, often by making the mess a lil worse or taking the time to do a big cleanup. And also how a layout that works fine for a small amount of things at a small scale just inevitably becomes a mess as you add to it.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

That's a great point! Will jot this down in my notes for the next video and see if I can find a good spot for it :)

@mbg8733 5 ай бұрын

This isn't just software engineering and factorio. It's the study of systems; it's used in nearly every discipline. For example: Chemisty for complex chemical reactions. Biology for reaction pathways. Economics for analysis of supply chains and such and it can become even more niche.

@samu_2822 5 ай бұрын

Not quite, since what the other disciplines study some specific system to their problems, usually they try to frame this interaction in a model already studied and proven, now software engineering and factorio for this matter, is this sort of study of the study of systems, the job is to design better ways to meet the requirements, while keeping your sanity check. A chemist, will use their knowledge on chemical reactions, modifying this reactions, adding and compounding different materials to yield better results, in control manner. A biologist, will use their knowledge on biology to change the conditions on the bio compounds and the agents to get safer and useful goods. A economist, will use their knowledge of basic geometry to put the square in the square hole on the other hand, A software engineer, will study what are the chemist, biologist, and some common sense to try to englobe all the later and put it through some none-sense it works system, on which will make it regulate itself by proven or field tested way, hopping that something doesn't goes up in flames the moment that you want to gtfo at 5pm on a friday A factorio player, will do the later willingly, on a videogame while creating the next framework to grow the factory that this time will indeed solve the other problems and be the one to use after repairing some nonsense problem caused by an edge case in their work that took their whole friday afternoon to solve

@mbg8733 5 ай бұрын

@@samu_2822when generalizing, it is possible that two categories are more like each other, than a third, but it still being possible to generalise all three. A factory is more analogous to a whole economy’s supply web, yet it is stil generalizable as a complex system along with a software system.

@5ucur 3 ай бұрын

Loved the video, looking forward to the next one if you decide to make it. Was interesting to see the analogies, as a dev and a Factorio player.

@ItBlabz 11 күн бұрын

You are hilarious! Had a stupid grin through the whole video, also had a good laugh at your social media usernames / email in the description. Keep up the good work, excited to see a follow up video on the monolithic programming if you get to it!

@achillesa5894 5 ай бұрын

The other big thing they have in common is stealing code from strangers on the internet lmao. Blueprints are basically that, right? And the crazy thing is, you can design/steal a blueprint and treat it as just a closed system that takes an input and makes an output. I'm currently working on a "coal to plastic" blueprint, which is a design that you just build, supply it with water and coal and it spits out plastic, and you don't have to care about the specifics of how inside the blueprint the coal is turned into oil and processed into exact amounts of oil byproducts, how boilers make steam for the process, how heavy oil is routed from the output back to the input, and how petroleum is mixed with more coal to make plastic. All you care about is the input and output.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

This is actually a great point that I totally forgot about over the past few years lol. Had written in my script about black box processing but the idea of copy pasting functions from the internet is great, thanks for this!

@Hellbending 4 ай бұрын

Mmmm tasty open closed principles 🤣🤣

@detaaditya6237 4 ай бұрын

Yesss, blueprint websites are basically stack overflow lmao

@sumyungguy163 4 ай бұрын

Is this abstraction?

@oliverherss 5 ай бұрын

How does this video only have 35 views?? So good

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Haha appreciate the sentiment, thank you for supporting the channel!!

@christiankalkilamadrid1161 4 ай бұрын

Wonderful video! Absolutely loved it from start to finish.

@00oKMo00 2 ай бұрын

Thanks Tony, loved it, hope you make that sequel

@Stasisdrone4827 5 ай бұрын

I think it's really worth mentioning trains as well. At the end of the video, you mentioned the differences between monolithic and microservice based architectures, and I think the best the to show that difference/similarity is in trains. If you consider your entire factorio base as a distributed service, trains exactly represent packet flow and more importantly packet delay and packet loss if you get a biter attack. If you consider your factorio base as a single monolith, then trains turn into interfaces. The train doesn't care how you actually insert the cargo, and how you process the items at the station. All it cares about is that it needs to drop of Item X and wants to go pick up item Y. This represents component design and individual classes and functions as well.

@TonyZhu 5 ай бұрын

Yes 100%!! You've articulated the idea very well and this is most definitely something I already had in mind for video #2. As I start to read these comments though, I think there's a lot more I wouldn't have thought of otherwise so I really appreciate people like you commenting this stuff!!