Falconry: Cooper's hawk comparison
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Жыл бұрынThis falconry video compares and discusses cooper's hawks regionally. Many other raptor species have a huge amount of attention and study dedicated to regional differences and subspecies, such as Peregrine falcons and red-tailed hawks. Even northern goshawks. But Coopers hawks, north America's most common accipiter, rarely elicits such discussion. In this video I discuss the topic and ask for input from falconers, bird watchers and raptor biologists from all around the range of the cooper's hawk.
If we get some adequate regional feedback, I will make a follow up video reporting the findings and their implications about Cooper's hawks.
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@RaptorGirlkathy Жыл бұрын
I am a raptor handler/caretaker, at a sanctuary, in suburban NYC, but wish I could do Falconry. I would certainly follow you on Facebook & am learning a lot from this channel, so thank you for your informative videos. 😊 As a animal behaviorist, I am most interested in "training".
@danieldente6617 Жыл бұрын
Great video. We have coopers here in Nj. We live in a suburban area with lots of deciduous and pine trees.I have 4 song bird feeders in back as..yard. Well we see coopers every day and see the feathers after a successful hunt or squirrel fur,tails. Such beautiful birds! Keep the videos and info coming. Thank you sir.
@MelaniL Жыл бұрын
Always love your videos! Very thought provoking. We have a juvenile coopers that is often on our fence I’ll have to take a closer look at the next time I see it
@elizabethkaufman3032 Жыл бұрын
I have Coops in my yard, on the ranch, and a passage Coops in my kitchen all in northern Colorado. Glad to share photos. Trap weight on my presumed female passage was 464 with a 3-4 keel score. Her chest markings are not as thick as shown in your video, and the local adults are not as dark. She's a very late passage trap, and temperament is very aversive to human interaction so far. Hard to call her mean-- she didn't ask for this, and would leave if she could!
@momtosaoirse 10 ай бұрын
New subscriber here. I stumbled on to your videos and love them! I feel your passion for birds. They are detailed and full of info. I love birds and continue to learn as much as I can.
@parkmaninnc Жыл бұрын
Back in the 90s, Steve Chindgren sent me a pair of rehab Cooper's that came from Tracy Aviary out your way for a breeding project of mine here in NC. I noticed right off that they were different than our birds out here. Exactly as you mentioned, the young that this pair produced while I had them had much wider, denser, almost elingated blocky streaking on the chest and belly. The adults were bluer than the blue of our eastern birds. Even the Utah female was slightly bluish. Our females are more brownish as adults than those birds were. And your males are lighter blue. And as you say, more white in between the other colors. Our young birds have very fine elongated " teardrop" streaks on chest, belly, and leg. I flew a local male year before last that came from coastal NC, and he was the same typical eastern bird you describe. I absolutely love male Cooper's. I just retired last month, and if I get a chance to get a "family" males this season, I may get another. My work schedule for many years has made it impractical for me to do a Coop justice. My last bird was medicare at best. I released him at 1 year when there were plenty of young prey out there. I had always flown imprints back in the day. There was a long cooperless stretch between them and my last one. Never a family bird, so I want to give it a try. Great videos Ben.
@robinsmith1091 Жыл бұрын
Male Cooper’s are awesome birds so fierce and great aerial skills!
@jantirpak7902 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I have no experience with Cooper hawks, but with Central European goshawks. And I noticed that individuals coming from pine forests are browner in young feathers with wider lines and thicker ripples in adulthood. Individuals from spruce forest or poplar forest are lighter.
@corrieannborges6063 Жыл бұрын
Ben- Thank you for all of your informative falconry videos! They helped me to pass the Maine falconry exam last month!! I look forward to reviewing all of them in preparation for building my mews in the Spring and trapping my first Red-Tailed Hawk this coming Fall. 😃
@patriciapechtold1544 Жыл бұрын
Me too, i learn very much of your Chanel. Absolutly perfect, i learn very much from you in your Videos, but Facebook is not necessary for interestet people around the World. Ithink there are to much stupid people who doesn't wont to protect this wonderful birds and it is very dangerous to give such people to much Information. Greatings from Germany
@StoneE4 Жыл бұрын
Additional discussion and posting of pictures would be great... But not on facebook.
@Buttikoferiii Жыл бұрын
I'm glad i found your channel, been binge watching your videos all morning. Great info and I love the detail you go into! I'd love for you to maybe do an Introduction on Bonelli's eagles, I've heard very impressive stories about them, essentially having that acceleration and agility off the glove like Goshawks (albeit not to their extent of course) but this falconer that I follow clocked speeds of 45-65mph in horizontal pursuit I believe, although I could be wrong and those could be off a stoop. If true though, for a bird the size of an Eurasian Eagle Owl that's insanely impressive. I've also heard that their feet, legs and talons are very large for their size. Would love to see a video on that impressive bird. Also maybe a comparison on Goshawks and Red tails. I've heard that Goshawks hit much harder but then I hear that Red tails are much more powerful and have stronger legs/feet. I find it interesting to note though that in the wild Goshawks are known for taking large and impressive prey, more often than Red tails at least. I'm finding very conflicting views on the power of both birds, so your input or any other falconer's input (or just anyone who's handled both birds and can reply) would be much appreciated! Thanks again.
@mbjdno779 Жыл бұрын
I live in the southeast of PA. At my work, I've got tons of Coppers hawks. I see a local pair with baby hunting our fence for birds. If you do the Facebook page, I'll upload pictures from my area.
@alexisskinner2520 Жыл бұрын
I had a thought about your colleague's observation that Cooper's hawks in the eastern US are "nicer". I live in NYC, and I've had some odd experiences with the birds here, including raptors, and I'm not the only one (it's why I started watching your videos!). All of the animals living here are relatively tolerant of humans, and so less fearful. Cooper's hawks are the only accipiter commonly seen in towns and cities in the densely populated east coast (I have two hanging around my block now). It is possible that success in relatively urban areas is selecting for Cooper's hawks that are less afraid of humans, and so more amenable to working with a falconer.
@mrkus-nc7od 6 ай бұрын
Thank you - this old Haggard. Enjoy s your educational info , . Safe Flights and Falconers Greetings . I had a coopers from northern Ontario and from Vancouver Island both were easy training and yes the eastern Hawk was bigger and i believe lighter in color . Everything seems to be darker in west ? Black Merlin - dark Goshawks and even the red tails new comers to the island i believe are turning Darker over tha last 20 years i have watched them .
@smb3414 Жыл бұрын
You could try going on eBird and filtering the photos people have submitted by location. Thanks for your beautiful and informative videos!
@fiercetoaster270 Жыл бұрын
I think a fb group would be awesome. Especially with coops. I flew (and still have) my first coops as a 2nd year apprentice, last year. This year, I trapped a late passage big male (going by features: smaller feet, slender frame, rounder head). The personality differences between a family bird and a passage is incredible.
@yopierre6407 Жыл бұрын
In what state are you allowed to have a wild trapped Cooper’s hawk as an apprentice?
@stephenaltherr2217 5 ай бұрын
Hello . I'm in Pittsburgh. I'm here because I had what was either a Coopers or Goshawk in my yard - which would have been quite a rarity here. It was a large bird which is why I wonder. I'd say the body not including head tail and legs was the size of a football. White spots on back were pronounced and maybe the size of nickles, so a young bird. General coloration was brown (like a football) and heavily banded, with heavy brown ticking on a white chest . No orange on this one.
@dlaughlin9 Жыл бұрын
Good idea with the Facebook page. My area in southern Colorado the cooper are very much like the Utah birds. Ben it would be great if you could do a series on imprinting accipiters. Thanks again!
@alexisskinner2520 Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to add something else that is possibly related to the difference in size between Western and Eastern Cooper's hawks. You mentioned that in your area they primarily hunt smaller birds such as starlings. Here in Brooklyn I see them hunting pigeons. There's a mature female that likes to sneak into a column of pigeons near the bottom of the group. When a pigeon gets close enough, she just snatches it and peels away. It doesn't always work, of course, but she's close in size and color to the pigeons and works her way in to the group by matching their speed and turning and wheeling with them.
@lg8498 Жыл бұрын
Photos would be great for this discussion.
@KingaKucyk Жыл бұрын
Amazing 💖❤😍💕 Accipiters are so fascinating 💝💘💗 Would You mind doing a comparison of different types of Sparrowhawks?
@billyb7561 Жыл бұрын
SLEEP BEN, You need to get some better rest. Thank you for the content, but please take care of yourself. Hope all is well brotha.
@ABWatchdog519 5 ай бұрын
I love Coopers Hawks..
@anthonycapuano8554 Жыл бұрын
Hey what happened to the jaguar skin? It was so awesome
@viveviveka2651 Жыл бұрын
Maybe for those of us who don't use Facebook, you could include some of the photos here in youtube? I would enjoy seeing them, especially the best of them. The others too for that matter. People might also post their pictures as short YT videos and provide links in the comments, if YT allows that. Or both. Or all.
@darlebalfoort8705 Жыл бұрын
I live in central NY state. Not a falconer but a birder. First year Cooper’s I have seen have huge white spots at the nape of the neck to shoulder.
@davidwarriors5419 Жыл бұрын
Also I have recently been pulling my birds from >6000ft in the Eastern sierras mostly because they nest 6 weeks later. But I have noticed they seem to be quite a bit larger than so cal lowland birds.
@JoBe186 Жыл бұрын
A Facebook page would be amazing
@clanggedin Жыл бұрын
I hunted with a Coopers for 2 seasons a few years ago. His feathering, size and demeanor was exactly as you described him for a western coopers. I flew a sharpie last year. I am curious if western Sharpies have different color morphs similar to coopers hawks with against their eastern counterparts.
@Tinkergrumpybuns Жыл бұрын
I recently had to contact local Audubon to ID Cooper’s hawk in my area. It has been hanging around bc local birdfeeder are great target and has attacked my chickens. Last week about to leave house noticed junco on railing of side stairs. Went to leave house, opened door a few inches and coopers landed in a tumble at my feet. Stunned I just tried to assess for id and what to do. It seemed to pull itself together, then flew off with little bird. It was small, maybe fat pigeon size. Solid dark gray back, wings ( I was looking at it from above. wide dark barred tail. Interesting was almost pun stripes of white I think on the wings. In flight light underside with gold to copper more toward chest. In yard I see his eye is yellow. In tree he seems to sit upright and near the trunk often. I can never get close like with red tails. We also now have bald eagle close by. I am in eastern MA. And live o. Edge off wooded land then sm. Airport. Thanks hope this helps.
@anthonycapuano8554 Жыл бұрын
Cooper's that I've trapped here in southern Ontario are quite large. I've caught a few big females that approached a male redtail in size. The adult plumage tends to be slate blue wings and the chest orange and white barring.
@Moraprecisionreloader Жыл бұрын
Wow
@Buttikoferiii Жыл бұрын
In length I assume due to their long tails? Red tails are very robust so I'd imagine that large female Cooper's, despite closing in on smaller male RT's in length, they'd still weigh about 200+ grams less than the smallest male RTs
@anthonycapuano8554 Жыл бұрын
@@Buttikoferiii yes in length. I have never weighed them to be honest So can't say how they compare but length and wingspan are exceptional. I can only assume a steady diet of fat city pigeons? Possibly also less predators of them in this region
@mrmarvelous8015 Жыл бұрын
I love birds of prey and I’m heavily considering getting into falconry because I would be a apprentice i would get a red tailed hawk
@panasdotcomdoni7598 Жыл бұрын
Nice god job .happy new year .i'm from indonesian
@AndrewSRapp Жыл бұрын
The Cooper's hawks I've been filming for years here at my house to me have the prettiest color patterns I've ever seen. Maybe we just have better genetics?
@czserad Жыл бұрын
Probably. Is there anywhere I can see pictures/videos of these birds?
@shae899 Жыл бұрын
whoops, guess we cant link to our e-bird galleries, lol. I'm much in favor of a forum or facebook where we can post pics and other observations for the channel's purpose or for cooper's specifically. I love to geek about the resident female and her various mates and the colors and sizes the family has come in over the years. (as well as secondhand observations from my state of michigan in bird watching groups)
@davidwarriors5419 Жыл бұрын
From my perspective- Me and my guys have known about the size and disposition of the eastern birds compared to our CA birds. So much so that several of us have flown to Kentucky or Indiana to pull eastern coops.
@birdman5197 Жыл бұрын
Did you start the Facebook group yet? I'd participate/contibute as much as I can. Tho no promises on how much that will be
@susanbiffath262 9 ай бұрын
I live in Northern California and have seen these guys dive into trees using their stealth hunting techniques.
@susanbiffath262 9 ай бұрын
Im always so excited to see them.
@brogang1926 Жыл бұрын
Ive been seeing hawks almost every day for about a month now. A massive cooper's hawk got a kill and ate in the tree near my house then stayed around for a while to check me out. He had a big white chest with very defined black lines that almost look like a tiger pattern. Very thick lines. This was in Northern Virginia. I have a picture I would put it in the Facebook page.
@angelmartin7310 6 ай бұрын
It's weird how open they are to human interaction.
@chrisnicholson1523 10 күн бұрын
Facebook page for this would be awsome
@paigehansen148 Жыл бұрын
Make an Instagram!! Lots of cool falconers/bird of prey ppl on there.
@francoisquintal2784 Жыл бұрын
Harry McElroy talked about the difference between west and east cooper hawks in his book desert hawking 2, or mabe McDermott in Imprint accipiter 2, I am not sure... Anyway, if scientists consider coopers hawks to be the same in all of north america, most falconners consider western birds to be smaller, darker and meaner that eastern cooper hawks :)
@glenkansanback844 11 ай бұрын
I'm a falconer originally from WY i have flown both WY and now SC birds. Yes, definitely there are differences between western and eastern coops. Some easterns here in the state of SC are very similar in size to WY, but some are considerably larger here in SC. One in particular i trapped was a monster i honestly thought it was a goshawk out of its range. Being a haggered i released her. I find that in general the average coopers here is a little larger than average western coops, and a good share are considerably larger. As per temperament in manning yes i find the eastern birds here i trap in SC to be a bit more mellow. In the end my passage coops while in WY manned down nicely and end result not that drastic in comparison. Where i notice the difference in the eastern birds tend to gentle down quicker and less explosive and less apt to bate at your face as much. With that said, some of this could be due to age of bird when trapped. Early season vs later season. I could be wrong, but it appears to me my SC birds have more of an orange eye and not as dark reddish orange from WY. I always found that to be interesting, the difference in eye coloration between the two regions. My experience is only with passage coopers, I haven't imprinted this species. I also was able to hood train coopers from both regions, eastern birds maybe just a little quicker in completing this. My favorite bird to hawk with is the coopers, and like you - i love and keep lanner falcons.
@TheUltraBeast1 Жыл бұрын
I had a Coopers hawk killing my chickens here in central Texas years ago, I've had chickens my entire life and it's never seen cooper's hawks that kill them, always red tails. However this one particular cooper's hawk that was killing them was a behemoth. So much so that I thought it was a different species entirely. Eventually we kept them in a predator proof zone and stopped letting any of them forage during the day and it went away, but it did strike me as bizarre. Perhaps it was an Eastern cooper's hawk that was much larger and western ones are typical around here?
@keerthivasannambiraju955 8 ай бұрын
Maybe it was a hybrid, I heard of several being caught on Hawk Mountain, Pennsylvania.
@shoaibdevero Жыл бұрын
Great video Ben, I think it makes thier colour difference because of regions. in pakistan mountain side shikra birds have lighter colour, desert side birds have dark colour and grassy area birds have thick bars and dark colour. does it make them different from each other in hunting talen because I have seen lighter coloured birds are more fast, dark coloured more brave and thick bared birds are more bigger.
@kurtniznik8116 Жыл бұрын
Lifetime hawk watcher/bander, but never falconer. I grew up trapping and banding hawks in New England and currently live on the west coast. For sure western birds often have heavier streaking as immatures, but I see great variation among recently fledged birds here in California. I know of at least three nests in my town and see the fledged young flopping about town every August.
@raphlvlogs271 Жыл бұрын
Coopers Hawk is a versatile generalist that is half way in between the Goshawk and the Sparrow hawk
@jasongustafson1824 Жыл бұрын
When I was first getting into falconry 30 years ago in Vegas, I heard stories of “Apache Goshawks” from New Mexico and Arizona that had blacker heads and backs and white eyes. Real story?
@benwoodrufffalconry Жыл бұрын
I had always heard about them, but then in more recent years, I was told by several people in Arizona that it wasn’t a real thing. That a government individual in a position of power was very anti falconry, and pushed to sort of “invent” the concept of a different subspecies in an attempt to prevent falconers in Arizona From being able to pull one. But I don’t remember the details of what I was told, and can’t vouch for it directly. But it was interesting.
@robinsmith1091 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the Northern Goshawk is the most iconic or notable member of the Accipiter family, and this is probably mostly because I never get to see them, here in Central Texas they aren’t anywhere that I know of and being a species that doesn’t migrate south through here, I never get to see them in the wild; I’ve never seen one I’m sad to admit- what a shame I need to go somewhere and see them like Colorado I bet has them, Utah does... anyway yeah so that is why I revere the Cooper’s. Until later Northern Goshawk.
@susanking9733 Жыл бұрын
yes ,please face book! I have a lot of pictures to share and need help with identification. we live in connecticut border of Rhode island adjacent to a forest which is adjacent to the atlantic ocean and to a farmers field on the other side yard. Twenty years ago, i planted one row of pines and the yard slopes up. thus, what i think is a pair of Coopers hawks have a nest in one of the pines and 100 ft away uphill in a huge oak tree is their feeding /eating tree . Perhaps, they were once someone's trained birds and released. This may sound rediculous or absurd, but they have made a sort of relationship to me from a distance ie they often sit outside on a fence or chair of whatever room I am in on the inside of the house. I usually have morning coffee outside and one or both will sit in an old ,large pin oak about thirty feet away...if i don't acknowlege them ie say ,"good morning, mr cooper.." they squawk at me or are restless, walk back and forth on limb, until i greet them or him or her and then they go about their business of the day. i do not interfere with their taking of backyard birds...mourning doves, blue jays, titmouse, and occasional face to face with a squirrel, and I walk away from the area. i spend a lot of time outside taking care of the yard, gardens, tiny pond , and swimming pool.They were very busy last spring and i think they had an offspring, but i don't know if it lived. one morning, next to my morning coffee chair, i found an empty egg shell...which is 100 ft from their nest. They are not a couple now. They have yellow feet, grey wings,grey head, faint brownish tan bars on white chest, long striped tails. i do not know their eye color. They will go straight into a bush where a family of birds live or spend time watching the bird feeders. i will send pictures ,if facebook is available.
@withjonadams Жыл бұрын
I haven't flown a Cooper's, but I bowhunt here in South Texas and I've seen lots of them while sitting in tree stands. What has always struck me is the range of size - there are enormous Cooper's that I've seen take rabbits, and very small ones that take birds like sparrows (or that chase my kestrel). The big ones look comparable in size to small redtails, and are usually a little paler in color; the small ones are only slightly bigger than Sharpies, and usually have the classic Audubon identification color scheme. This is my impression, anyway. I haven't trapped any, so I don't have measurement data to share. My sponsor is trapping for a Coop right now, so I'll check back in with measurements when he gets it.
@robertfaucher3750 Жыл бұрын
Falconry Discord?
@btakin8737 Жыл бұрын
Would love for you to have the FB page, several of my other interests have FB where the community is very interactive! This week I have seen 3 Coopers, 2 Red Shoulders, 1 Harris, 1 Peregrine, and uh 5000 RTH’s😅😅😅
@wesleyworley8982 Жыл бұрын
Love to have a reputable FB channel. So many of the groups available are quite cringeworthy.
@GurpreetSingh-xl9bx 11 ай бұрын
Black and red shaheens are the non migratory subspecies of indian subcontinent
@thekidsonly Жыл бұрын
Facebook and discord!
@dericfranks9346 Жыл бұрын
Id love to have a fb page with you about falconry
@mickhymes9864 Жыл бұрын
Face Book sounds good
@remyogun8270 Жыл бұрын
Hey Ben! I live in Los Angeles and just saw the weirdest looking Cooper's hawk ever! Could it have been a vagrant Gundlatch's Hawk or Bi-colored Hawk?
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