I received a few questions privately about the statement I made regarding KZfaq's firearms policy at 13:37, and just wanted to add my responses to a pinned comment so everyone was aware. I personally don't have any issues with talking about firearms and how they operate, especially in a hypothetical context; it's a topic that I have some experience and a lot of interest in. The issue that I addressed in the video is in regards to KZfaq's Firearms Policy [support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en]. As part of their policy, members are not allowed to provide instructions on the manufacture of any kind of firearm or ammunition. I feel that directly talking about the details about what would or wouldn't work when it comes to the operation of handmade firearms (even if they are simulated in a video game) could be considered to fall under this policy. I'm not trying to imply that I agree with this policy. My personal feelings aside, I need to be careful about following KZfaq's regulations, since my videos are monetized. Repercussions for any policy that I violate arguably affect my channel a lot more than a smaller one or anybody isn't a member of their partner program. KZfaq, with all the benefits it has as a hobby, has a reputation for being extremely strict when it comes to enforcing their policies on content, especially relating to firearms. Overall, i'm just trying to make sure everything runs smoothly on the channel. I would hate to get one of my videos demonetized or have a strike on my channel because of soemthing I can avoid in Premiere Pro. If you guys have any questions about this or something else relating to the channel that you would like to discuss privately, please send them to my business email: NotSenzDD@gmail.com If you guys are interested in seeing a video that discusses the details of the mechanics of pipe weapons. Here is one from a smaller KZfaqr that I like: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMuXmstos8mpn5c.html If you guys would like more information on the history of this kind of enforcement directly in relation to firearms content, I would recommend looking at this short documentary from VICE news: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jciflcaUzZa6ZGw.html

i think since the us goverment in fallout was freaking out about communists that a lot of people were being imprisoned for what would normally be a fine or a misdemeanor thus being unable to buy guns and in fear and paranoia they began making diy boomsticks

I can totally see shotguns, bolt-action rifles and simple blowback smgs be something the crafty wastelander can come up with. After all, slamfire shotguns and stuff like the Luty SMG (or the ones the IRA made in workshops) do exist. Surely something that can be done halfway reliable and safe. And the USA in the Fallout timeline might have different laws regarding firearms. So the amount of factory made and craft produced firearms might be different. (and yes, full auto is easier to make than semi auto, especially as straight blowback, which can be quite safe with low power calibers like 9mm)

Pipe weapons sort of bother me, and its not because, of the game, but the reality. Pipe weapons, don't need to look like junk taped together. It really depends on what tools the builder has access too, the crafters skill, and what they want to do. A simple slamfire pipe shotgun doesn't need a trigger, and can be as simple as 2 pipes, 2 pistol type grips, an endcap and a nail, and even still, some might go with crafting the grips so they feel comfortable. some might even decorate the barrel with clan, gang, or tribe markings. as skill goes up, a gunsmith might change to a falling block shotgun, actually get a properly carved stock, take time to line up and set up good sights. Kyber pass has been making "back yard" firearms since the 1600's. Taking scraps, and making guns with questionable reliability at times, but at others, a gun that could be hard to tell from one that came off a real production line. Fake 1911's that could pass for a real 1911 and are just as reliable. Then you get simpler things, look up the Luty SMG... a stamped pipe weapon fast to make cheep on parts... but even then a little work can pretty it up... and again its a "pipe weapon", using a pipe rather then a rifled barrel. But that could change as again, some people have the skill, to make tools to rifle even pipes.

As an amateur 3D modeler, I made more realistic versions of the pipe weapons before just as a practice concept, addressing many of the issues they have and redesigning them. I kinda wish I knew how to make them into a mod now.

My main issue with pipe weapons is the same one I have with most Bethesda Fallout lore, that it makes it seem like the apocalypse happened yesterday even though it's been over a century now. Like it's bizarre that over a century after the bombs dropped no one has set up some new factory for such an obvious necessity. I don't get why they seem to believe that absolutely nothing would happen in the intervening century, especially when the nuclear bombing wasn't even that bad given that most pre-war buildings are still intact (even though natural processes would have destroyed them in the intervening century). I get that the inspiration for Fallout is A Canticle for Leibowitz, where civilization was basically reset to the middle ages but in that book the nuclear bombardment was so bad that basically nothing was left standing and there wasn't anything like the vaults to preserve knowledge. If Bethesda so desperately wants to make games about a recent post-apocalypse they should just do that, have everything be set similar to 76, just a few years after the bombs fell rather than centuries and then just asking us to believe that people would live in shitty shacks for centuries and never use any of the technology all around them to do anything useful.

hot take... but Fallout 4 made a big mistake by adding 10mm pistol in start.. I never played or picked up pipe weapons because they seemed inferior

Curious on the lore behind the handmade rifle and it's resemblance to an AK 47.

It's also a major conflict, the likelihood of arms factories producing guns for the civilian market instead of for military contracts is low, so people likely had to make their own just due to shortages

I brought up pipe guys to my father who grew up in the 50s said that he used to build them as a kid

Personally, I imagine with how bad the war got getting professionally made weaponry as a civilian would be incredibly difficult by the time the bombs felt, with most manufacturing shifting to supporting the military's use of weaponry. Additionally, with the conflict scaling as aggressively as it did, personal defense firearms would be at an incredibly high demand, so that would be a big reason for people to start scrapping together their own weapons. ESPECIALLY if a prominent magazine about guns (and bullets) published such handmade firearms as we already know they did. Also, there's simply such an absurd amount of ALL weaponry in Fallout 4, IMO, not just pipe weapons. Without the need for on-the-fly repair like you had in 3 and NV throwing THIS many guns at the player makes it so anticlimactic to find anything for me.

Some additional context and history about PMFs is the high rise in recent years is almost entirely due to 3d printing. Prior to this new household technology the numbers were very small and were pretty much reserved for people who made them as a political statement against the government or had workshop experience that they developed from prison. Outside of these two scenarios there was virtually no reason to privately manufacture after the civil war. There were millions of muskets and rifled-muskets that the government was trying to sell for cheap and soon after mass manufacture of affordable firearms took off. Today gunsmiths usually work with maintenance and modification as their primary business, but before the civil war many local gunsmiths earned that 'smith' title as they manufactured firearms for their area and the ability of average people to manufacture muskets was not uncommon. This was even more prevalent in the times before and after the war of independence. In Maryland there was a law requiring every adult to own a musket in a standardized caliber in case of conflicts with natives or the british government. This was such a major concern for the government because so many people made their own muskets that there was no consistency in the size of the bore. This would mean that standard issue ball would either be too large for the bore (for people chiefly concerned with hunting smaller game) or too small and inaccurate. Muskets are far more accurate than most people realize, easily hitting almost every shot on a man sized target at 125 yards BUT only if the ball and patch is properly sized to the bore. If you didn't have a standard caliber musket in many cases the government would even pay to supply you with such a musket and would occasionally make inspections to ensure everyone was in compliance.

It's not that I don't like the idea of pipe weapons, it's that the actual in-game designs look atrocious and simply wouldn't realistically work.

I'm sure state laws have an effect on availability including if there were bans so not all areas may be affected the same (aka for lore reasons). Maybe the military took so much of the factory made for their own wars and power. Could definitely see a black market rise because of fears of invasion, civil unrest and other factors. Definitely an interesting video and I always liked them as early weapons but I do get sick of them after a while.

My issues with Pipe weapons: 1. as you said, there are way too many. (and I don't buy any pre-war explanation for their commonality, every other game this isn't an issue) 2. they function way too well, they should be scrappy with limited use. They should only be early weapons to be used until the player can ditch them for something better. And there is literally only two distinct types, the revolver and the rifles. Should have had distinct types for different roles. E.g. Pipe rifle (call back to Fallout 2 Pipe Gun): a single shot rifle that can be modified to take 20 gauge, and .308, a pipe revolver: revolver that takes in smaller caliber and is sticky to fire, and a crude blowback: early smg inaccurate and chews through ammo. 3. they are ugly and impractical to even exist (note: this is a problem with most guns Fallout 4), like at least remove the rust, you risk getting tetanus every time you fire the weapon.

You know one of the weapons i always wished was in fallout games - Because way too little people are thinking about them and they would make extremely much sense in this world - is bows. yes. Bow and arrow, think about it!

My main issue with Fo4's pipe guns is that they are too unrealistic, like how the frick is gun cobbled together from wood and pipes held together by wires could handle high pressured caliber like .308 or .50?

I think a lot of people don't take into account the resource war of the fallout world. I think the only reason the major world powers stayed with tube electrical components is that they work better with nuclear power a no d the risks of emp attacks. There were transistors and polymers in the fallout world. Then there are major arms manufacturers such as H&K, Colt, Winchester, Baretta and Glock. Add this with polymers and you have modern weapons. Polymers, Wood and metal is not going to last over 200 years being kicked around the wasteland. Now after the resource war but before the great war with manufacturered weapons being too expensive i think alot of people would start to make PMF's. Then after the great war the nuclear survivors would only have PMF's readily available to strip down to see how they work and rebuild with new scrap. To me personally why are there so many pre-war weapons available after 200 years.

Unpopular Opinion: I really like the pipe guns. It makes sense for something so rudimentary to be all over a post apocalyptic setting. In fact, I'm surprised they're not more prevalent than they are. They look good in that they match the universe's aesthetic so well. Also, I just really love the jury-rigged aesthetic in general so I might be a little biased. Scavenge around and hope you find a fully functional mass-produced firearm, or make one at home in your garage. I wish they were in the other games. It seems odd that pipe weapons weren't so common from the very beginning.

Here's the thing: Pipe-based fire arms are actually pre war. They are usually made when an gun ban, or other such restriction, is put in place, in order to bypass it. A homeowner simply rips out an piece of dry wall, and uses some PVC 2 pipes and other components to make the pipe gun. Pipe shotguns, pipe rifles, pipe pistols, and pipe SMG's are actually very easy to make IRL, and in fallout 4's lore they actually are prewar.

Well I also think that sense nuclear tension was on the rise people felt like building some to stay protected if they survived the bombs

There also was a pipe rifle in Fallout 2 but I think it was made exclusively post war.

there is no reason for not putting the luty smg in fallout

In 200 years I’m surprised that there are any safes that have not been cracked open.

I found a mod that edits the meshes of the pipe-guns (not the revolver) making so that the barrel is placed lower than the vanilla game, now the reload seems based on hk weaponry. And the pipe bolt-action they also put a internal mag (look at the bottom of the gun). They also made the drum mag a snail mag. The mod: pipe gun meshes tweaks.

i just noticed this was posted yesterday ima give u a sub

I don't understand why the pipe guns they are that soo rusted and worn down as if they spent 2 centuries underwater fully assembled, just imagine trying to rack the bolt in that thing let alone pull the trigger and then only for it to crumble in to pieces when the round goes off. It stayed true to it's mission statement though, it does look like it was made who doesn't know anything about guns and neither by anyone who knows about metal corrosion.

The hardest part of making a post apocalyptic ar15 is reaming the rifling into the barrel, and having the barrel be hard enough. An ak47 is even simpler

Another plausible reason for the pre-war population creating pipe weapons could be the supply shortages that caused the war in the first place. In WW2 every spare scrap of some kinds of metal and silk was rounded up and donated to the gov so they could be used to make more ammunition, planes, and parachutes for the troops. If there was a "support the troops" drive and the majority of the population donated their weapons to be melted down it would have probably been seen as patriotic to "make do" by creating handmade alternatives in case they needed to protect the home front. Even if some people secretly kept a few guns the community would have come down harshly on them if they knew they had them the same way they did if a woman wore brand new silk stockings or were seen eating way more beef than they should reasonably have due to rationing in WW2. They'd have to be seen making or having pipe weapons as a badge of patriotism.

Nice video

What fallout needs is a 3d-printing station that "prints" a crappier version of regular firearms, pipe guns are silly in when 3dprinting tech is so simple now, never mind in the future.

I just wish we got more of Fallout 3’s assault rifles. Both the R91 and Chinese assault rifle.

It's far from being the only nonsensical loot in Fallout 4, or in any RPG for that matter. That's also one of my main issue and why it showed for me when games made things slightly better in the department, such as Kingdom Come: Deliverance. I wish games were actually much more realistic and immersive than they are right now, especially with loot since it can become straight up ridiculous, like finding fresh food (or any kind of food for that matter) in dungeons that have been closed for millennia.

Lol. Cob jobbed guns aren't used in crimes often. On average they just illegal get them via theft or from gangs. As far as fallout goes the pipe weapons are like the lutty which sucks. 3d prints would make more sense

The 10mm is OP Pipe weapons are GOAT

200 years is a lot if time

normal guns are more complicated than pipe weapon ones and over these 200 years most normal guns have probably broken down and i think pipe weapons are more easy to fix that normal one that why there so many pipe weapons

I agree with what is said in the video, but I played too many games where there are only factory made weapons, so everytime i see some raider with any pipe weapon I: a) feel sad for him b) have a masculine urge to scoop out my eyeballs and go wash them in the sink for seeing something that ugly and crude

I loved you video, but I think your approach to calculate the percentage of pmfs can be improved, you need to take in consideration that pmfs are growing in a much faster rate than normal weapons, I my opinion you need to project the number of pmfs and normal weapons right before the bombs fell.

There is a Pipe gun in Fallout 2.

4:07 Is that Phil Spencer?

It's set in Taxachussetts where you can't really own guns like you could in say a free state like Texas or Arizona.

They would be okay with only pistol calibers

I coulda sworn you said they call them "Pipedly Made Firearms" the first time. Ha.

Love the video bro

they could just add regular weapons like the older games god damn these things look awful

The selection of guns in fo4 is lame. Way too many pipe weapons and lack of realistic guns even for fo lore.

You can get muzzleloaders today repro pistols rifles

Lmao dude I know a guy who has made over 1000 p80 9mms so there's definitely more than 19000 private made firearms.

You can't use post-9/11 statistics in a world where 9/11 never happened. Fallout's timeline diverged from ours around 1950, technologically going in a completely different direction, so using 2021 numbers wouldn't be accurate. 1950's numbers are way lower, like 54 million or something. Beyond that, the fallout government removed rights from their own people to such a degree that punk music was illegal because it was too rebellious, so I don't think it's a stretch to assume that most factory made guns were either held by corporate security forces (10mm pistols and batons being their default gear) or the military (possessing everything else). Some folks might've kept their old guns and not have been labeled traitors, but home made would be the best way to support one's country. Furthermore, none of this accounts for energy weapons.

When it come in game for the states the game take place in . Lot of them being around i leave it up to game mechanic's and them being scraped by the player for resources. Pipe like guns before the war i could see them being made to a factory quality depending on the resources at hand at the time. As these guns just need to be good enough and pratical enough for the state the USA was in then. As one can look at some old gun designs in the wild west and even the known Sten gun in WW2 . Those guns may not look pretty but they did their job very well when it form and function over visual looks . With the politic's of the state's were in then dealing with communist and political descendents such guns like pipe guns would of been around but not in the numbers as in game. As the game never touch on firearm laws in game it is hard to say what was illegal or needed a license pre-war in America. For lot of pipe gun desing i would think they came to be at a certain point when factory made guns become rarer or harder to maintain . I could see a skill engineer using a exsisting gun and making functional parts not to a factory level quality . As in the wasteland there is alot of scrap and metal to make these guns using other as templates for a crude version of the gun . As the pipe revolver share alot of traits with other revolvers while lack some upgrade options . Even in the Fallout TRPG mention they are cheap gun for people who can't find or buy a good quality gun .

They should make a new Fallout game using the engine from Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Don't fix what isn't broken.

If you think criminals need to make guns you are sadly mistaken.

Instead of using statistics from 2020s why not use statistics from the 1950s the that the game is based on, I'm gonna take a guess and say that I guess one problem with it could be that they might not have statistics for pipe pistols, But I would say looking at the FP-45 Liberator + Grease gun (M3 submachine gun) might be a good substitution due to how simple they are

Pipe weapons made zero sense. If I remember correctly, the United States has more guns than people, and if a nuclear holocaust wipes out a majority of the population then it stands to reason that post-war America would have a ton of guns. I'm aware that because of alternative timelines and such, real world America is not equivalent to Fallout's pre war America. It makes even less sense that Fallout's pre-war population wasn't already armed to the teeth given that the US was at war with China and had already been invaded.

I said the same on my first play through, I really thought introduction of pipe weapons ruined the game for me a bit. They’re absolutely ugly

I hate pipe guns, please no more pipe guns!.

Can the data really be trusted seeing as not everyone will be forthcoming about guns they make themselves. 3d printed guns are a thing after all.

Other than the fact that your way of calculating handmade firearms is flawed I also feel more than a bit weirded out by the “it makes sense to be in Detroit because there are so many criminals” statement. I think it would have been better to say anything other than that.

Criminals or liberals

The creation engine is still Gamebryo, just improved and modified