I recall guns having levels, so you'd get a level 2 pipe pistol before you got the next tier of gun and the lvl 2 pipe would be better so it was really hard to move away from basic guns

Its a symptom of the terrible game balance of release 76, repairing high level guns was so expensive and not worth the scrap that re-crafting high level pipe guns that only did slightly less damage was far more economical which got even worse when bethesda nerfed the amount of junk we got from items and increased the amount needed to repair with. And then to add insult to injury they added mtx for repair kits in the real money shop to fix the problem they created with the nerfs, pretty scummy indeed and made me quit this shitshow xD

@@Thumper8544 They rebalanced the pipe weapon perk cards for that very reason but they only made pipe weapons weaker, not other weapons stronger so not only is it hard to move from basic guns, those basic guns aren't as useful as they were.

@@TheFatesBack Not only that but because Fallout 76 has that "Scrap to have a random chance to learn a mod for the weapon type" it makes it very hard to move on from things like Pipe Guns and Double Barrel shotguns, because those are everywhere and you'll scrap hundreds of them to learn the mods. Meanwhile you'll basically never see an enemy drop, say, a LMG to start getting enough to get mods for them. Last time Jon was playing "Fully Upgraded with Mods Pipe Revolver" was outdoing things like Plasma Pistols because he never found Plasma Pistols to scrap.

As soon as youre level 50, you start getting level 50 guns from about every enemy, go to one event like eviction notice, suddenly you'd have 50 non legendary guns and enough legendaries to at least get you started on rolling something you actually want, add on top of that all the newer weapons with straightforward ways to craft them and acquire plans, there's really no reason to not have anything good other than just unwillingness to engage with 76. Which really makes me sad, because the deeper combat character building of 76 is one of its best features, all the silly hyperspecific builds you can make are great.

Ok, I accept they were able to use Bethesda Physics to get into the sky, but how did they put down a CAMP?

And things like THAT are precisely why some of us never ASKED for a multiplayer Fallout game. Immersion is rather BROKEN by such nonsense.

"It just works" ​@@ManyATrueNerd

You put the camp on ground build up then move the overhead projector thing into the building. Delete stairs. Space camp.

​@@mid-nite_drive-thru except co-op

Also ammo drops on bodies according to the weapon you killed them with, so you literally get refunded ammo

the problem is he's using quite terrible weapons so he's losing ammo overall lol

Yeah when they updated it so nearly every enemy drops contextual ammo it was a game changer

@@MrColbster94 Which makes combat even less meaningful...

@@MrColbster94 It's based entirely on the ammo for specific weapons. For instance, if you use the gauss minigun, you get a couple rounds at most back, because they balanced the ammo drops for the gauss rifle and nothing else, it's why the plasma caster makes such a net profit on ammo, plasma ammo drops are balanced for the plasma rifle. The whole point of the ammo drops is to give you some ammo yes but ultimately still push you toward crafting, because they want people to buy the scrap box to store their ammo crafting materials, you don't buy FO1st if you can just pick up all the ammo you'll ever need, and it's also Bethesda, ain't no way they're smart enough to balance by weapon lmao, it's 2024 and their balance for semi auto weapons and automatics is to just lower the damage of automatic weapons.

Shocking, isn't it? (pun intended.)

wow that's a bit surreal, it honestly feels like it's been 2 years for me

and yet nothing was learned

And if they had spend all this wasted effort for good fallout RPG, we could well be playing it by now or at least soonish.Instead on waiting 10 more years.

@@DIYTAO I mean would could all be playing FALLOUT LONDON right now, but betheada randomly decided to give Fallout 4 a NEXT GEN update like 7 years later.

Jon: "The enemies are really tanky in this game!" Also Jon: *using a confetti gun* My handmade auto rifle can kill a lost in under a second and I'm not even using a bloody build.

Yeah. His build looked like he just randomly picked a bunch of nearly worthless perks that have little to do with combat and called it a day. When you clearly don't understand one of the very basic functions of the game, I don't think you have much business speaking on it tbh....

The thing that gets me is, I haven't specialized into any weapon type, but I haven't ran into the issue of normal enemies being bullet sponges. Sure, I can't go around one-shotting bosses, but I've always gotten by just fine.

And the especially frustrating thing is that Jon will research the other Bethesda Fallout games to the Nth degree, but will never spend an hour learning about FO76's unique mechanics - perk loadouts; character (bloodied) builds; mutations; food and CAMP item buffs; legendary crafting, etc. - simply because he detests and throws shade at the game over "muh single-player experience".

Yeah my dog was looking around too 😂😂😂

Me too! What was that? John's new kittens?

I heard a cat too 😂

No legendary perks

@@Sukafukazulu and frankly, a TERRIBLE overall character build. Looks like he just threw darts at the SPECIAL board and walked away.

So you're saying 76 isn't catered to casual players that don't or can't spend hours every day keeping up with it for years on end. Thats not good for most games. I've got near 400 games in my steam library. I dont have any single game that I can play nearly every day for even one year and stay interested. If I can't pick up a game a year after dropping it and still have fun, I'm not going to play it. It seems like 76 is a game that isn't fun if you step away for a time because it's designed around you always keeping up.

@@stirlinggerbic-forsyth3345 I think what they're saying is that there have been a lot of additions to the game for things that make you stronger but he's not engaging with them. If you were a casual player just getting into the game you'd probably find out about them by the time you get to the point Jon's at.

@@stirlinggerbic-forsyth3345 more that its a Fallout game that plays differently than all other fallout games. a build that works well in others doesnt work at all in 76, Jon's issues with the enemies being too "Tanky" stems completely from building for a normal fallout and not for this fallout. Pistols and shotguns are pretty much garbage in 76.

@@captainkingpin6836 which is an issue because it still markets itself as an RPG when it isn't.

@@stirlinggerbic-forsyth3345 it technically is, its an MMORPG with out the massively part of MMO. you can still RPG through it you just have a limit to how crazy you can build yourself out and definitely need to have some better thought for your build than just ooh this looks cool. my build is pretty all over the place as well but outside of bosses i have never said these enemies are too tanky.

I thought one of Jon's kittens had decided to pay a visit while he was recording.

I won't lie, when I saw his build, and immediately afterwards heard that he's very very good with shotguns - I just laughed 😁

@grishemall right?? 😆 look, I get it. 76 is probably the worst fallout game next to Tactics, but when you can't even make a decent character and then complain about your DPS, that's a YOU issue, not the game. Personally, I enjoy the game and my quad 50 25 Railway combined with 9 points into commando kills things TOO FAST.

Yeah I'm like, level 60 or 70 something and I've just been sitting here throughout the entire video trying to figure out why his damage is so terrible.

yep, it's definitely a build issue. my railway rifle/rifleman/vats build melts the lvl 100 champions in 4-5 shots.

Stealth build using a SHOTGUN?! Also level 100 and still using Pipe guns? Yeah it's not that the enemies are Tanky it's that his build isn't just not optimized, it's downright bad. I'm hardly optimized and my attacks were taking them down in two hits, I'm only level 200.

One thing that Jon never noticed is that automatic weapons do the same damage per shot as single shot ones. He is using Fallout 3/NV/4 reasoning on weapon DPS which is just not the case.

@@Tensen01 yeah it’s not that he needs a meta anything, but what he’s currently doing is akin to using a Gatling laser in new Vegas with no energy weapon skill, 1 strength and bulk ammo.

Like Jon?

The lazy stealth archer build? Every game every time, very easy and boring....

@@DigitalNomad88 Had he invested in a decent lazy stealth commando build, we likely would never have heard the word "sponge" once in this video. I was melting the level 100 Lost with my Fixer, and only had to bust out my Quad RR against Hugo.

But...but...but... not changing anything and complaining about it instead gets more clicks....!

My survival Fallout 4 is like that currently got all the good crafting perks, but hit barrier around lv50 without damage perks, Jon was like that in his Sim Settlement playthrough also were he only just push pistol perks when he was using them a lot, but not until he was in 40s.

And you have to understand that we people who directly hate min max also exist. I am a role player and this game is designed to only cares about min maxers with the damn bloody and several broken builds on mind. It is a vicious cycle, they design all around min maxers, enemies loot, encounters and events. Then put a pikachu face when no min maxers left the game and complaint about how this game is ridiculously tanky. The game has been marketing as a Online ROLE-PLAYING game. They just forgot all that and make a grinding one built only shooter with a good story no person with role interest sees as the damn game are designed for people who give a sh*t story and want to shooting bloody

@mara_jade021 Now that, I can sort of agree with. You might be surprised, but I also hate the commando bloodied build meta. That is why I mentioned I am using off meta builds, because I don't like the meta. And those off meta builds are still doing fine. Not amazing, but fine. You don't need to build meta to have a good build, but you do need to still put together a build. If your build didn't matter, than the progression, equipment, and skill points wouldn't matter. It would not be a fallout or even a RPG anymore. The game does need more balance and I said as much. I agree that alot of design seems to be focused on the very silly bloodied commando meta, but the game is still very playable as long as you still put something together.

@@liberalideas8224 I role-play normally characters build on charisma and of intelligence with decent agility. I tried at launch and after wastelander and I seed simply couldn't get any enjoyment of the combat. Pistols were slow and very low damage I just couldn't help to stopping play it.

@mara_jade021 I understand, and it is fair that you simply did not enjoy it. We do not enjoy all the games we play after all. However, my point is that it was not any games fault if the play ignores/fights against the games overt mechanics. Let's say I was playing BG3 and wanted to make an intelligent barbarian for role play. It would not be the games fault if I put little thought into my build, dumping my strength for intelligence, and then got my butt kicked in combat. Can you still push through after a lot of save scumming, sure. However, you could also take some time to work within the games rules to come up with a build that is much more effective, fun, and can still be an intelligent barbarian. In your own post, you stated that you chose the weakest weapon set in the game, and even then, didn't build into it, but instead built into one that supports group play, while playing solo. If that means you didn't enjoy the game, that's cool, but that isn't the game's fault either. If it makes you feel any better, there are plenty of "good" games I didn't enjoy. Witcher 3 for instance. I just say it wasn't for me though, I don't hate on the game.

@@liberalideas8224 I don't hate the game. It is simply not what they advertise. This is not an online role-playing game. Because as Jon said there is nothing really for people who want to focus on a role and the history. The build here ia more important than anything else or is like game wants or you are done. .Barbarians high intelligence works great in Baldur's gate no I am not kidding. There is even rp walk through of something like that where the worm supposedly give a new consciousness to the barbarian

to be fair, a nice anti-armor gauss rifle hits pretty hard on a proper rifleman/vats build.

@@nknasi Oh, no argument! But not an, in-your-face shooter like Jon is trying to use it as! Lol!

Yeah shotguns are super bad now except Cold Shoulder or spam firing a Quad Gauss Shotgun. Kinda sad really, but during Year 1, Explosive Shotguns were so goddamn OP.

If you look at his build he has all the right perks for a VATS build (although he seems to think putting only 1 point in each is enough) with 15 luck, but he never every uses VATS except for shooting the legs of the Lost a few times. I'm not sure that the Lost = feral Ghouls but again he's stuck in the FO4 thinking.

This is kinda the point Jon is making about 76. Narrative RPG (suboptimal builds don't make the game punishingly unplayable) vs MMO Grinder (optimize or else basically). The answer is it is still very much an MMO Grinder. There is nothing wrong with that per se; it just is what it is.

I feel like that's the problem a lot of 76 players have coming from the rest of the games. They are so accustomed to the single player RPG games that they have trouble or, in some cases, flat out refuse to try adapting to the new format.

@@toakongu1 Thing is Jon has no excuse not to figure out building a character for damage or specific purposes. He does it all the time and goes in depth in other Fallout games. The revamped Perk Respec system makes it easier than ever too change things around as well. He's still stuck in his initial impression of the game and isnt exploring all the QOL changes and Weapon Perks.

@@bdarner6944 you don't even need to "Optimise" tho .. just something that resembles a coherent build and it's good enough to not use 10-15 shots to I'll everything.

@@vf501 he logged in after some years and just wanted to play.... perfectly reasonable to not want to deep dive character builds for that...

Uranium Fever has how-to videos on his channel.

But Robobrains... Literally the brain in a glass jar that controls them is the head!

Well they really aren't. Jon just hasn't taken the time to learn how to exploit the game's mechanics. Jon's a story-driven player, where 76 is designed for grind-driven players. He will never really like the game.

@@michaelsutherland5848 It's not even about exploiting, it's about engaging with them at all. I'm not exploiting, and only level 200 and those Lost were going down in one or two headshots.

@@michaelsutherland5848 Yet in survival he makes trips all over the map for materials.. And here in 76 he can't even bother buying plastic bulk to craft ammo instead of buying a low amount of it? (He also always has ammosmith equipped..) Or quickly look around the map for a player camp that sells ammo? How is that grind driven? The only thing 76 really does make you do is pick a weapon type. You can't do shotguns and pistols, and a gauss rifle.. As a pistol main, pistols do have issues and need a buff but then I'm mostly speaking about content Jon will never do, like DO bosses and Expeditions. He's set up for crits but then never uses them, while with his perks and Luck stat every third shot, that hits, could be a critical.

​@@michaelsutherland5848could I ask what kind 'exploiting' he'd need to?

You don’t even have to pick a single weapon type, I used shotguns and rifles for most of my currently 77 levels. Since one uses strength and one perception you can do both. I did eventually go full rifles so I could have more utility perks but it’s totally possible to have two weapon types. More than two would probably be stretching it.

Also, they told him the vault wasn't finished in time so the whole thing got blasted with radiation when the bombs fell.

The Storm Goliath are also supposed to be raid bosses. Like the Scorchbeast Queen, Earle, Ultracite Titan and Imposter Sheepsquash. They're intended to be tackled by the a big group on the server (Earle being capped at 8 total, rest can be fought by all 24 players). And of course the final boss is somewhat tanky, but it's also indeed a boss, so if they'd go down in only three shots, that would be anti-climatic.

@@gimok2k5 so you're saying their legitimacy is legitimate :)

It's not difficult to figure out once you realize Jon has made up his mind to hate the game rather than learn the different tactics tied to its unique mechanics (bloodied build; perk loadouts; mutations; legendary crafting; food/mag/bobblehead/Camp item buffs to name a few that have nothing to do with public events).

@@keithcummings3260 it is shameful, honestly. 76 dropped and keeps dropping the difficulty because influential reviewers can't be bothered to figure out how anything works. Such an easy game yet I regularly see complaints about not being able to do enough damage.

I do not want to watch Jon do a live stream of 76. He will not take advice during the stream and will not adjust his gear, build, etc. It will be as shitshow of him being frustrated at how badly he's doing and everyone will walk away being dissatisfied. The same with Oxhorn. Neither one likes 76 because of the multiplayer aspects and they stubbornly refuse to play it differently than they would FO4. It would be better if they both just ignored the game from now on.

I mean shotguns and pipe guns were OP at launch

Very frustrating. This is stuff Jon usually grasps fairly quickly. It's like he wants to concern troll this game.

Well the enemies are still tanks, having that huge of a health pool automatically makes one a tank. You can complain about his build being weak making the tank-iness more apparent, but you can't deny the enemies are tanks.

@@donovanfaust3227 You're not wrong, but the idea of building a powerful character is central to 76. Those enemies are not so tanky if you do that. He's complaining about the difficulty of a game where he hasn't taken the time to learn how to exploit the mechanics.

Yes, his build is terrible and he is running around basically naked. Chinese Stealth armor has 140 DR as opposed to a full set of Secret Service armor at 407 (+/-) DR. He has no mutations. Doesn't use food or drink to buff. No VATS head shots. Basically he is approaching this as FO4 on normal difficulty and although the games are similar they are not the same. And a black powder pistol? I mean he hasn't properly prepared his character and is surprised it isn't easy.

It does seem like an interesting story - I just wish the characters were willing to have proper discussions with me about it, instead of giving me a tiny bit of basic information and then saying they're too busy, or I'm not trusted/liked enough to tell me more. I just want to be able to have full conversations with the new NPCs.

@@ManyATrueNerd agreed. It could have certainly benefitted from being less coy. I assume it was just that way to make revalations last the whole way through, but then you have to ask why not just shorten the quests?

​@@ManyATrueNerd I just think of it like the mailman why should you tell him the reason behind why he had to deliver that car part to your house. In this situation they don't see you as a necessity just a hired gun to help so as to not risk their own people.

@@chellejohnson9789 Games like this have one overarching goal: to keep you playing whether you feel like it/want to or not so there is a greater chance you will buy something from the in-game store. Ergo, not only must problems be created for which the supposed "solutions" can later be sold (e.g. the stash limit in this game), quests must be artificially long and drawn out, pinballing the player all over the game map. (Rose's "quests" are especially egregious for this. The higher ups didn't want to invest any more time and money in the game than was absolutely necessary, so nearly everything was tied to her in the base game to save on the cost of hiring voice actors to play actual characters in a compelling storyline.) That's why Jon is getting dribs and drabs from the NPCs: artificial means to a scummy end. It's quite sad to see BGS reduced to this from my perspective. The idea explored in background worldbuilding and often relayed by visuals alone in 76 had enormous potential as the SP with co-op some in the community had long requested and that potential never will be realized due to industry shenanigans that have sullied the reputations not only of BGS, but Arkane, Bioware, CD Projekt and so many other formerly great studios. Hopefully, in time, they will recover from the damage done in the name of obscene profit for IP owners and investors, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. More likely, their lot and ours will get far worse before it gets better because the definition of "success" of a game has been reduced in the industry solely to whether or not it is financially successful.

Yep the way the game has evolved full health shotgun builds are second only to full health pistol builds as the worst builds in the game. Ok maybe bow is absolutely the worst but who would even try that. I'm not happy about the game's balance right now since I won't go bloodied out of principle and I don't like stomping around in power armor either. So I do commando which is reasonable except for the tiny ammo capacity of rifles. Anyway, Jon is going to have a rough go at this.

@@obiwankenny1966 i run a full health shotgun build, even the tankiest non-boss enemies only take 2 or 3 shots to put down. Like you said, it's all about building right

​@@obiwankenny1966 Yeah absolutely. It makes no sense how the assault rifle with a DRUM MAG only holds 30 rounds when the exact same gun in Fallout 4 holds 80. It also annoys me how the submachine gun has such a hilariously low rate of fire when it's supposed to be a damn Thompson.

Correct. And judging by the build 2:40 he's got almost no damage boosting perks. All he has is BloodyMess3, gunslinger1, and shotgunner1. A proper build will have about 2-3 rank 2-3 weapon damage perks. Jon can very easily be doing double the damage he's currently doing if he redoes his build.

@@CardSearcher911 So the question then becomes, would cutting the combat time in half be sufficient for Jon's tastes... and judging by what we see in this video, it sure does seem like the answer is definitely "no". And ultimately that does lend credence to the validity of his criticisms.

Wrekt

Definitely. Not just his build, but I suspect his gear is significantly gimped. The gameplay loop seems to be built around grinding for the best gear, so it's not surprising that someone will struggle having not invested that time.

well said. he isn't giving the game a fair shake since he hasn't really learned how the mechanics work.

Jon also hasn't played since before "One Wasteland" which was the update that changed enemy leveling and changed damage from multiplicative to additive.

@@Oooga-Chaka that's why I want to take a look at his perks. I know when I came back after a long break, before any of the big updates my perk cards had all been unequipped, I was thinking that might have happened to Jon too.

@@Oooga-Chaka not a good excuse whatsoever

2:38

​@@andyfacethanks, I wasn't watching the screen the whole time so I missed that. Oh man I'm not that good at builds but...that build does nothing and does it pretty badly. If jon let someone help him with a build it wpuld fix so many of his problems. I don't think he has a legendary perk equipped either, pretty sure you get your first slot at 100.

Yes! That's what I was thinking!

"decent build" != "casual build"

​@@mikey-wl2jtare you trying to say that a decent build isn't a casual build?

@@haro_yemon yes. casuals--and I'm kinda including Jon here--have only a minimal idea of what even constitutes a "decent" build

​@mikey-wl2jt Dude, he doesn't even have the perks for the weapon he uses maxed. I'm a casual F76 player and I mopped the floor with these enemies. Jon's build is just REALLY bad.

@@tylerpepper6986 sure, not challenging that. I just don't understand why that bothers people so much.

I was thinking the same, but I just looked it up and they're not the same voice actor. Co-incidence I guess.

Voices are significantly less unique than you're expecting, I guess.

that's the thing, right? like how would casuals even know that stuff?

Not really, a big issue are the perk cards, take a look at his build at 2:38, his build does nothing to really help deal damage. I run a sub optimal explorer/pack rat build. I don't focus much on combat but even I can handle most things that aren't event bosses. Legendary effects do make a big difference, I'm not saying they don't, but before you think about legendaries you need to focus on a build. I came back to the game after a long time and had to learn that the death filled way.

What did they do with the season pass, is it not the same as previous?

@@KelgorothTheFinalShape no So before season 16 it was a board game where you earned every reward just by reaching rank 100 and start getting recycling rewards at 101 Season 16(the one that was in progress when the show started) changed to the new purchase system where it takes closer to rank 120 to get everything and you have to reach 150 to get repeatables. There's also just less content than before, but they've been slowly doing that every season honestly Season 17 is the same as 16's but with even less unlockable stuff for the same amount of grind

​@leadershrimp6166 Eh. Not really a problem for me, as they are cutting people out to allocate towards content atm. This was said in recent interview. And I barely played season 16 and got to level 36 on the pass so I imagine it wouldn't even be hard to complete if you play often. In any case more expansion/content focus over season rewards is always better.

@@mrplayfulshade1038 I admire the optimism However, they have lied to us far too many times to get my hopes up Besides. They could easily give us as many atoms as before and it wouldn't cost them any extra dev time

I mean, the season pass model was changed before the show released, and Skyline Valley presumably wasn't put together over the last two months.

no, unfortunately his weapons and build just arent very good

Morgan town high school has tons of plastic with the plastic pumpkins usually can get 115 plastic from there .

Why? He hates the game. I've resigned myself to the fact that Jon will never again make a complimentary FO76 video.

Are you new to this channel?

Cocking is a British thing said a lot in some areas.

Not everybody plays Bloody and pure metagaming. In fact my big problem with 76 is that is only design for and by metaplayers. I hate mix max I am a role-player and 76 is the less rewarding game for a role-playing walk through I hate bloody because it goes against everything I love roleplay with

Cool story but his build is bad. It’s great that you love the game and stuff but his build is bad.

You should be able to have fun with any kind of build. Otherwise, it’s not an RPG. You do realize games are meant for fun?

@@Mixxie67 this is not a single player RPG, no matter how badly Jon wants it to be one. It's an MMO. Builds matter. You don't get to complain about the game being too hard when you don't use the existing game mechanics that make it easier.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT

Seems Jon would enjoy the Atlantic City quest more then? I found that family way to trusting instead ;p

They patched in a bethesda game, but also made everything annoyingly too slow or too tanky to push micro transactions.

Your missing out if you haven't played since launch. It's imo way better then in terms of content, map size, quest originality, and just about everything across the board. Highly recommend you play it if your a fallout fan. Whatever your gripes are about launch, let it go. The game is a very meaty game now.