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how did someone mess up east and west

For future reference, Never Eat Shredded Wheat N W E S

east and west coast are flipped in the first graphic

Haha, I did not even notice the east/west flip text on the map, however I did notice Bethesda being written on the left side near the actual West Coast, and Interplay/Obsidian written on the right side near the actual East Coast and thought: 'well, that is a missed opportunity...'

U know it's a great start when east and west are shown accurately.

You know that old meme where the guy is raising his finger like he's about to make a point, then he thinks about it for a sec and just walks away?

The shows good, I’m just confused by some of the decisions made. The ghoul drug seems like a pointless addition/retcon. They still could have introduced the potential FEV to the squire without making a new drug ghouls need. Maximus has done nothing but make poor decisions so far. Them killing off Moldaver without telling us how she got there is odd, because even if we learn how she did later it won’t matter as much because she’s dead. Also why would moldaver work with raiders if she’s NCR. And of course the overseer nuking shady sands just seems like a weak way to severely damage the NCR.

I cannot stress how important canon is to a fictional universe, whether you are mainstream or counterculture. Some things have to be set in stone, because audiences expect internal consistency in the stories they consume. In the simplest sense, drama occurs when an audience is invested, for example, in a character trying to overcome obstacles to achieve a goal. If a writer cheats by changing the rules of the story, any investment we have in the character's trials is immediately sucked out. To an outsider, lore might seem like an over-texted, boiler plate revision of the real world, but it's what keeps people interested in a story. In a cynical sense, it's what convinces the consumer to be financially invested.

"Somehow, Vault-Tec has returned."

An interesting video, but the script needs to be proofread to remove the inaccuracies

How can the ending of Fallout New Vegas not be defined, if the second season is set (or at least visits) New Vegas?

Great overview of events, please continue your Fallout series lore videos!

They moved shady sands to LA for the show, which means that the boneyard has also collapsed. The fact that there's zero sign of NCR governance, military or infrastructure in the areas surrounding two major cities makes it seem like they're dead.

Loving the comments about the absolute failure of East and West 😂😂😂😂

Love the art styles of your videos

Ok, so the Brotherhood in Fallout 1 were not a techno cult. Yes, they wanted to gather as much technology as they could, but that was to keep it out of the hands of those they saw as having the potential to misuse it and start another war. They were also inventors, as Scribe Vee points the player to go and ask about a new laser pistol they have developed when asked about it. They had their society split in two - Knights were the warriors, and Scribes were the researchers. Paladin is a rank *within* the Knights. If you want to know about why the Brotherhood shown in the show acts more like those from 3 and 4, it is because they have to be them. The West Coast Brotherhood lost a war against the NCR, and were having to hide in bunkers in order to survive. Ghouls have never before needed a serum of any kind in order to stop going feral. In fact, Fallout 4's Nuka World DLC has a ghoul searching for a cure to prevent turning feral, and records a holotape stating that there is no cure, and that the process of turning feral can be felt like losing ones mind. That bit of lore is attached to the Kiddy Kingdom questline, which has Oswold The Magnificent, a Glowing One, who was not feral even when all of his friends were and he did not know why. Contrary to the suggestion in the show that Vault-Tec were the first to drop a nuke, President Dick Richardson outright states in Fallout 2 that it was China that launched first, and that they barely had time to launch their own nukes in retaliation. Also, there is the issue of Robert House being at the meeting, because in New Vegas he states that he ran calculations on a nuclear war, found it was inevitable, and was able to calculate down to almost the very day when the bombs would fly. He was off by 20 hours, which is why he did not have the platinum chip, and was unable to fully protect Vegas. If the show is taken as canon, as stated, then those calculations would have been pointless as he was privy to the plan, and there would be no reason why he would not have had the platinum chip in time. The Fall of Shady Sands is not referring to "the start of the decline". It is a very distinct and fininte term, and every other time it is used in history, it refers to a very specific date of a catastrophic event. The sacking of Rome by Goths, for example, has a very specific date, rather than a start date and an end date years later. Same with the fall of Constantinople. Therefore, it is only logical to conclude that it FELL (not began falling) in 2277, and then was nuked some time after. This does contradict New Vegas. There is also the lore contradiction in the show of where Shady Sands is. The show has it located within the LA Boneyard area, which is not where it was located within the games. It was directly between Vault 13 and Vault 15, almost due North of Junktown and the Hub. The only way that it could be THE Shady Sands is if NCR citizens decided to build a new settlement and name it that, or moved the entire city across the desert.

I hope the NCR is in fact still active and functional, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Todd has infact removed them from the setting for good with this show ...

Using the voice of Codsworth for the video was a stroke of genius, ngl... 😜😜😜

The Enclave facility is not necessarily on the West Coast. There are mountains in the background, suggesting the Sierra Nevadas or Rockies. The fact that the BoS is informed by the Commonwealth BoS suggests the Rockies. Otherwise the West Coast faction would have found out on their own.

That map got all fucked up at 3:00 wow

Searching for this exact video

love your vids

Thank you wizards and warriors youre videos are extreamly entertaining and well made😎

The airship being the prydwen and not the caswyn raises more questions and problems it would've been better and made more sense if they'd built a new airship since the east cost brotherhood already had the plans and manufacturing knowledge and experience to produce the airships, vertibirds and T-60 power armor

I miss when lore changes were mistakes that the game makers publically addressed and set right.

What's annoying about this is that they're trying to make this canon but they clearly don't care about Canon but in order to get it to line up they're going to start hitting it with tons of retcons. Either that or they're going to claim this is an alternate timeline to explain all this stuff like with Halo since all of fallout is supposed to be an alternate timeline from World war II

Rings of power take notes lol lol

Do you know that Lucy Maclean's actress? Also voices the League of Legends champion Jinx in Arcane!

which one is the weast coast?

Well, the writers of the show did say that they're not writing it for the fans. I'm sure their knowledge of the Fallout universe amounts to seeing a physical copy of a Fallout game in a store once. Going to be interesting to see how it all pans out in the end.

Cool!

Ooh! East? I thought you said "Weast"

New Vagas takes place a handful of years before fallout 4. So a minute tweak is required. But other than that, well done with the presentation, brilliant work as always and well done on remaining objective to the content being debated in the community. I, for one, am yet to find a single narrative flaw after several reviewings and analyzes of the show, like Moldaver possibly having some of the technology she developed in emergency storage or have reconstructed a cryostasis pod for emergency use, explaining her presence so many years after the global send off. Tho if any inconsistencies can be brought forth in a respectful manner, it would be interesting to see how there may or may not be actual loose panels present.

Am I having a stroke or did they mess up East and West?

Bethesda doesn’t understand fallout and never has and never will. They turned fallout into nothing but a “wacky and edgy post apocalypse, with a retro futuristic vibe”. Everything that made fallout actually worthwhile has been stripped away and were left with nothing but a hollow consumable product that people praise because of a sprinkle of good acting and “Easter eggs”.

I just look at what happened to Shady Sands as the lingering aftermath of a bad outcome from an old playthrough. Like what happened to the Vault 13 deathclaws.

the house always wins

I think they're gonna keep the war in line with the game lore. China discovered the enclave / vault tec and shot earlier than expected

Did you name this channel Wizards and Warriors based on the NES game of the same name? I still have the game, just curious.

Only issue I have with the vid is that the map should have been more focused in on the west coast.

My theory is since BoS wants to bring back civilization (maybe as a new USA), It would be plausible for them to move their chain of command to Washington, especially since that was once the capital of North America. Remembering that in Fallout 4, Arthur Maxson stated that BoS wiped out Capital Wasteland's Mutants, and probably the Ghouls too.

It means they cant make any other interesting factions and have to re-hash BOS for the next 5 games. The Lore is going no-where good or great.

i am happy, another fallout episode

Many series these days look good but are garbage on the story, characters and lore. This looks good and is at least medium on other factors

Loved the show, but I have two problems I hope get better in S2, one is the writing, why did Moldaver have raiders marry/sex with lucy and try to kill her when Moldaver was so good friends with Lucy's mother? Also hope Maximus gets some motivation to take some initiative and work with the elders for the Brotherhood, the social cohesion of BoS is 0%, everyone hates each other, every BoS squire and paladin seem to hate BoS, it doesn't make sense. But Stargate SG1 and Star Trek TNG also had rocky season 1, hopefully S2 will get better.

He dun forgot fallout tactics :O

Bethesda confirmed Shady Sands was nuked in Mid-2280s. 👍🏼

Omg I wonder if the serum is the same thing Hancock took (possibly also Eddie Winter ?)

Thought the series was amazing. They captured the vibe and feel of Fallout which is what I thought would be the most difficult thing to do for an adaptation

I went into fallout totally blind. Never played any of the games. Most of what I know about the series I learned from this channel

Honestly, there is another explanation to the apparent lore contradictions in the Fallout show. That they are giving it the same treatment as League of Legends lore. That is to say: there is canon, and then there is "canon".

For posterity, Todd said the bomb was dropped on Shady Sands right after the events of FNV

Wherever Maxim is, lies the leadership of all the BOS

Evil corps are evil is so boring. I liked the original version that the vaults are for modeling societies for the program of the generation colonist spaceship.

The brotherhood blimp getting from one coast to another is one thing, but how did DogMeat get to Boston??

Did you use an AI to write the script?

I'll start worrying about consistency in fallout lore when Bethesda does. Until then these are all separate stories in parallel universes.

good show & this is a seperate timeline to me

BRUH WOW!

Todd is saving face with the stuff he's saying about the show, he knows he done screwed up with letting the writers of the show, make it with a "don't care about the fans" writing, Boneyard doesn't exist in the show, magically Boneyard is Shady Sands, non of the events of 1, 2 or New Vegas are ever mentioned in the show, the whole "vault 32 raiders are ex-NCR", but apparently Vault 33 had 0 clue about the NCR, there is a ton of retcons and inconsistencies with the show, to call it good from a fan perspective, is like spitting in the face of the OG Fallout makers

Young denzel washington would have made a fantastic Maximus over the current actor (see Book of Eli)

And Fallout Tactics? Tactics is also canon.

I read an interesting interview, it was the developer of the Lonesome Road DLC for New Vegas and he described how the plot of the divide was meant to reset the Fallout world. He commented that the NCR was making things too civilized. Its an interesting viewpoint when you view it in context of the current lore.

Brotherhood ending for the win!

"Leave the multi-billion dollar corporation alone" - Wizards and Warriors, who have obviously been paid handsomely to make all this Fallout content.

Oh! I thought you said WEAST

It's been three weeks since this video has been out....but ummm have you been informed that California is actually on the west coast and not the East Coast? Always remember the saying "Never Eat Shreed Wheat"

Still begging for more horus heresy

I think people are reading too much into what Todd Howard said. He didn't say Shady Sands wasn't destroyed in 2277; he said New Vegas is cannon and the "bombs fell" after New Vegas, but there is some "confusion" and they had to "tighten" things around this. He seemed to be very carefully choosing his words as well. I think they mixed up the date with First Battle of Hoover Dam and it was too late to change it, so they are effectively retconning the date of New Vegas to 2277, which has no impact on the timeline since nothing else has canonically happened between 2277 and 2281. Fallout has played loose with dates and times before (like what time did the Great War bombs actually fall?), so it is neither a lore-breaking retcon to push New Vegas back a few years, nor is it inconsistent with how the games themselves don't stick doggedly to established cannon. There are numerous references throughout the show to 2277 specifically, and ages that match up to that year as being when Shady Sands ended. Here are a few: - The records Norman pulled up showed Hank transferred from Vault 31 in 2271. Hank said he came to Vault 33 to marry Lucy's mother. The purported point of the vault exchanges was breading, so presumably Rose got pregnant not long after Hank transferred, otherwise there would have been some concerns. Lucy says she thought the sun in the vault was real until she was 6, and showed the same flashback we later see is actually Shady Sands. If she were born in 2271, then she stopped believing the sun was real in 2277. - If Lucy was born in 2271, she would be 25 at the time of the show. The actress was 25 when she was filming the show. Lucy also presents her SPECIAL stats which shows she has had a lot of responsibilities and activities in the vault, including teaching, but says nothing of her grades or anything else to indicate she recently graduated herself. She also seems frustrated with being unable to find a husband, which makes her seem a older than late-teens/early twenties. - Lucy's brother Norman is younger than her and has already worked, and been fired from, every job in the vault, implying he is at least a few years out of school-aged. If he is in his early 20s, Lucy should be mid-20s. The actor is currently 30, but I think he can easily pull off being early 20s. - I'll skip Maximus because a lot of people apparently think the 35-year-old actor who plays him looks 19 somehow, so we can just agree to disagree on that. - Lucy says there was a famine in the vault in 2277, that everyone was quarantined, and that her mother died because of it. That seems like an obvious cover for when Rose would have left the vault with Lucy and Norman, and Hank would have gone after them. The guy with the mustache says he ran for overseer once, but lost to Hank when the famine struck, so it's highly unlikely Hank snuck out again 4-plus years later to nuke Shady Sands and no one noticed the overseer was missing. - The end credits of Episode 5 (the same episode where we see the Shady Sands Library sign) shows a library book with stamped due dates, with the last date being "Nov 2276" (also, the first due date was "Feb 2189", the year the NCR was formed, which implies the dates aren't just random). -Vault 4 dweller, and Shady Sands survivor, Birdie says she was 11 when Shady Sands was destroyed. The actress is currently 47, but it looks like they tried to age her down a bit with her hairstyle and I think she could plausibly pass for being ~30, which would mean she was 11 in 2277, but there's no way she could pass for being 26 or younger to fit a 2281 or later date. - I don't want to keep jumping on the chalkboard, but in Episode 1 there is a shot of Lucy teaching "Our American History" on a vault whiteboard, noting the years: 1776 with a drawing of the Declaration of Independence, 1969 with a drawing of the 13-Commonwealth star pattern seen on pre-war flags, and 2077 with a drawing of a mushroom cloud almost identical to the later chalkboard drawing. This is an obvious symmetrical reference and, notably, there is nothing on the whiteboard about any decline in America, even though the start of the Resource Wars would have been the perfect "decline" to include, and the actual year the bombs fell is used. Lucy's timeline also connects each year with just a line (as is typical in a timeline), but the Vault 4 chalkboard uses an arrow to point to the mushroom cloud after the "fall"/2277 reference. I think they liked the symmetry of the Great War bombs being 2077 and the bomb destroying Shady Sands exactly 200 years later. I have seen people mix up the date of New Vegas as being in 2277 because of the First Battle of Hoover Dam instead of the actual date the game is set in, so it is perfectly plausible they thought they had the perfect date and everything lined up, until it was too late to change all the things I note above. Neither the chalkboard nor Todd Howard has said the year Shady Sands was destroyed if it wasn't 2277, which would be super easy for them to do unless it is somehow a huge spoiler for Season 2. Long story short, they put way too much effort into indicating Shady Sands blew up in 2277, they've never given an alternative year, and Todd has been coy about what the chalkboard meant. It is a whole lot easier to just accept that New Vegas was retconned to be in 2277 than to come up with elaborate explanations for why everything I note above doesn't mean that was the year Shady Sands was destroyed. And, what's funny about the whole year argument is it has distracted people from talking about the significant blow the show deals to the NCR as supposedly the most powerful faction in Fallout.

"The Fall of Shady Sands in 2277" doesn't refer to the nuke and is a historical date that was picked retroactively, just like we today say "The Fall of Rome in 476" when to any contemporary Roman there was little difference inbetween 470 and 480. 2281 already showed an overextended and crumbling NCR and according to the time line the nuke happened after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. So if we go from an Independent or Caesarian victory it makes sense that an already battered NCR descended into infighting after the assassination of President Kimbal and got knocked out by the loss of it's capital with it's remnants relocating to the Hub, New Reno or Vault City. Or even seeking shelter with the Shi in San Francisco.

Mabey by fall of shady sands ment like economic, they had to change capital

I know what the enclave is up to and it involves a lot of bad writing also a fucking chalk board to deposit exposition is literally the laziest thing in the world cause it leads to shit like this.

What they did with the NCR makes no sense, not only is it silly to make a post-post-apocalyptic story but also it leaves one of the most interesting aspects of the games that is the rebuilding of civilisation on top of the previous one's ruins

It was a great show. I'll just consider it off in its own canon for now though.

I think what happened with the BOS is that the west coast finally adopted their cult of the old ideals of the Brotherhood from Fall out 1 with Maxson having a cult of personality like thing. Let’s say the ship really is called the Caswennan and they just Carved the Prydewen on the side of the ship in honor of Elder Maxson I genuinely like the show, but die hard fallout fans have every right to hate this show

They dated a "metaphorical fall" but they didn't date a literal atomic bombing? Pure cope. I mean, maybe these writers are that dumb, but it seems unlikely. Either way, it's obvious why Todd had them blow up Shady Sands. "That'll show those New Vegas Chuds!!!"

The Enclave base was seen covered in snow when the scientist escaped, so, at a minimum, it was very far North of where Lucy encounters him, and likely it was at least North of the known borders of the NCR.

Would love to see Caesars Legion in the show.

Umm are you guys outsourcing graphic and script work to Ai or people who don't speak English? 🙃

It means the lore's f***ed

I get some people enjoyed this show, but I really didn't like it. Bad writing and convenient events aside, it just is contrivance after contrivance.

Shady Sands being nuked before New Vegas and no npc ever mentions it is crazy. New lore contradicts old lore but people seem to forget 😊.

Guys! Can you please do a Henry V lives?

Obligatory comment about East and West being messed up at the beginning of the video Nice comment bite though 🤣

This show is awesome 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

I think you all mixed up East and West.

Bethesda has once again shown that they can't do Fallout lore justice

I thought the East and West was just an internal fallout lore that the cardinal directions changed or something but it seems like it was a mistake on their part.

It means the lore doesn’t matter given they blew up the ncr before new Vegas is supposed to begin

Is there still some discussion to this? Lore breaks were evident and heavy. Sure, you can twist it and make sense of it you really try... shame that Bethesda and showrunners don't care about the lore as much as half of people here

East west what

At this point, Fallout feels like Star Wars to me. Just like Star Wars will always be about Jedi and Sith, Fallout will always be about the Brotherhood of Steel and the Enclave. We will never escape them and any attempt to do so will be swatted down by fans and executives.

Tv show needs to be non canon, that is stupid if it's really canon

It means they just pulled a force awakens by destroying a previusly stablished setting people liked to reset it and do their own crappy OC, thats what it means

I like your content on this channel and Kings and Generals, but this video got a thumbs down.

Outside of just being a bad show I'm general, it undermines the entire point of the Fallout universe. Originally the world had ended as a result of war between America and China, now we are explicitly told that Vault Tech dropped the bombs because peace talks had affected their profits. No more "war never changes", now its "muh capitalism bad bro". The appearance of the Prydwyn confirms that neither the Railroad, nor Institute endings can be canon in Fallout 4. Ghouls are now pretty and invincible. Tanks dozens of bullets and power armor punches. Hilarious. Outside of lore stuff, every character is just so stupid and so covered in plot armor that there is no immersion at all. My favorite scene was when the scientist escaped the base and dodged a million bullets at point blank range.

How many factual errors are in this video? The mutagen that Thaddeus uses isn't even the same substance as the vials that ghouls have to use.

That drawn title card was a good laugh. I will forever ignore the bad writing of a bad show.

I speculated that in 2277 after the cripplingly brutal First Battle of Hoover Dam, this gave incentive for Arthur Kimball to make a case that Shady Sands was far too detached from the realities of the Mojave campaign and that a closer capital could better respond to the challenegs ahead of a potebtial counterattack from the Legion. Therefore as its foremer representative from Hub, and its history as an economic Constantinople of thr Wasteland, the NCR council voted to migrate the political center of Power to the Hub to have more organizational control, whilst Shady Sands remained a cultural capital. Hence the sign outside the town marking it as the first capital of the NCR