FAMILY CAMPING 🍁 toddler's first kayak adventure & cozy autumn memories
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9 ай бұрынAs much as our family loves to go camping, we didn't get out until the fall of this year. Where has the summer gone? However, we got to go at an incredibly beautiful time of year! What's your favorite time of year to camp?
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@susiefalk7320 9 ай бұрын
I agree with you. Light and darkness does not mix. Your family is so beautiful! Thank you for sharing your camping ⛺️ trip with us!
@grandmashomemade9204 9 ай бұрын
Loved Zanders answer to halloween. Smart kid
@sarahko2014 8 ай бұрын
Yes!!💯
@bethanyhege3666 9 ай бұрын
Xander looks like his mom and Lexi looks like her dad!🥰
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Yes! 😆
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
QUESTION OF THE DAY? 😀 What are your thoughts on Halloween? Is it just a silly 'spooky' holiday meant for fun and a thrill where children get to collect candy? or could it be a day where a lot of evil practices are taking place and we as Christians choose to not be aware of it?
@linak7155 9 ай бұрын
My thought is that Halloween is a day about debauchery and darkness. As children of light, I want nothing to do with it.
@Mountainlover94 9 ай бұрын
I agree with you on your views of Halloween. It is a very evil holiday and not for the children of God. Also your kayaking looks so relaxing!
@daveanddeb5629 9 ай бұрын
When I was young, we grew up with Halloween. Times were very different. The world has grown more callous to evil. I live in South Texas, and now Halloween is all about the day of the dead. The sugar skulls as they're called are not pretty like a lot of people think they are. Darkness and light cannot coexistence. I'm all for Jesus and his light of goodness and love. You and Nolan are good parents and have a good family backing you. Keep to the light and you'll be alright! I just now made that up. 😊 Love love your video ❤
@deannabrock5951 9 ай бұрын
I agree with you on Halloween 🎃
@belieftransformation 9 ай бұрын
I don’t like the morbid Halloween things & always detested them! I want the children to be aware of the evil but lean towards the light of Christ! God bless all people! 🤗💕🇨🇦
@homespundevotions 8 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you about Halloween. Light and darkness do not mix, and we surely can become so desensitized to the evil. It is always such an encouraging blessing to visit with you here. Thank you for always standing for God's truth. May He always bless you all.🙏😊❤
@SmallWonda 8 ай бұрын
Such a lovely family holiday. I wonder if the bubbles upset Lexie's tum, she did get a lot in her face. It is fascinating watching them grow up - Xander isn't that little one any more, he's really starting to shoot up and Lexie just has to keep up! She seems much older than she is, very game and wants to be doing everything y'all do. I love to see how undaunted some children are & it seems if parents are brave enough to let their little ones have a go they really will reach their potential with star lights! Yes, it's all got a bit excessive, there's enough nastiness for real without wallowing in darkness. Stay fun & thanks for taking us along!
@mitzigilliam317 8 ай бұрын
I don’t like celebrating Halloween, but I love the fall colors and cooler temperatures. Most people don’t realize it’s not a good holiday!
@theMennoniteMom 8 ай бұрын
Yes I'm with you on all the colors and fall celebration
@spmarsh3747 9 ай бұрын
The children are getting so big! While I do like to decorate with autumn colors and pumpkins (non carved) that’s where I draw the line with Halloween; you phrased it well, ‘lightness and darkness don’t mix’. God Bless you and your beautiful family!
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! I like that. One been tempted to let Xander carve a cute pumpkin but decided I didn't why to cross that line. Thanks for sharing your convictions.
@stillyourb 9 ай бұрын
@@theMennoniteMom Ive seen a pumpkin carving tutorial that ties it to the gospel, but we've never done it, it just seems too close to the other traditions, I dont know, I haven't ruled it out, maybe we can do it and just use it as a table centerpiece to talk about at meals and not as a porch decor. I mean Im all for xmas decorations that also have been tied to pagan traditions and history all gets blurry on he said she said on who did it first...I know you've done a video on that in the past also, I suppose its just like everything else, take it humbly to the Lord in prayer, listen for conviction and move on with life.
@sallydunbar1683 8 ай бұрын
Xander has gotten so big! 100% agree about Halloween, light and dark do not mix. Always love to see your trips and your husband is such a hard worker with the heavy stuff. Great parenting & beautiful camera shots!
@carolynhostetler8641 9 ай бұрын
I’m with you. I’m about light not darkness.
@linak7155 9 ай бұрын
So good to see the family happy n healthy! ❤️ 💙 💜 💖
@user-vc6te8bu5b 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for addressing the Halloween topic! I agree with you 100%!!! I always enjoy your videos!
@momoflittleladies 9 ай бұрын
Lexi’s curls are so adorable!! I enjoy beans for breakfast too; black beans, salsa and eggs! I started it after seeing a nutritionist during one of my pregnancies. Neat to learn other counties do that!!
@stillyourb 9 ай бұрын
oh I love eggs Benedict southwest style: eggs bacon and queso on English muffin with a. side of blackbeans and fruit!
@jamieleuschner8874 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this beautiful place with us and the colors of fall. I love the orange dress you had on in the beginning 🙂 so cute and perfect for the season. And I agree with you about Halloween. It’s pure evil being displayed as fun and okay for children. I’m thankful I know Jesus and his wonderful Word. Take care ❤️
@christinamcclain4713 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comments on Halloween! I agree completely!!!
@bettyangstadt4242 9 ай бұрын
What a beautiful video. Great family time for sure. Zander is so grown up now and turning to turn into quite a fisherman! Lexi also growing way too fast. Xander is so good with her and I can see how much she loves her big brother 💕. You and Nolan are setting such good examples for your children always finding the simple things in life to enjoy …old fashion values … I wish more people would practice that more…we have lost so many simple pleasures. Thank you for this video, I really enjoyed it 🥰💘
@robertadunn1572 9 ай бұрын
Oh I wished I knew you were going to be up there, I am still taking care of my Mother and we could have come and seen you . We took a drive on Sunday and it was so beautiful up there . I am so glad I suggested the park to you,so glad you Love it as much as I do. Growing up and camping there every weekend when I was young was so awesome, MY HAPPY PLACE ❤I don't celebrate or decorate for Halloween I call it the Dwvil' s holiday and I am not into any of that stuff not at all! Please take care and hope everyone is feeling better. Hugs from Tyrone for now.❤
@Marina.S.Suarez 9 ай бұрын
I hate halloween too, it's not what I want to be around. What a beauiful camping spot, can't wait to go on our trip soon.
@flowerpower8992 9 ай бұрын
Awww Janine , so glad you posted a video today I missed your videos , looks like a fantastic camping trip , thanks for sharing 😊
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Life has slowed again a bit so now need to catch up!
@oklahomafreedom5536 9 ай бұрын
Looks like a lot of fun. Please stay safe out there in this crazy madhouse world.❤
@pama.6410 9 ай бұрын
Wonderful video Jeanine. The flashbacks of Xander were so PRECIOUS!!! Can't believe how far his skills have come! Great casting, paddling, and frisbee throwing and still so great with anything little, including his sis. You are raising a great future father! Lexi is walking like a veteran! Love how she loves her brother. Can't wait to see how she flourishes through the years. Could NEVER have coffee at night. Did it keep you awake for a few extra hours? Enjoy your week!
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Yes how is he six already? 😳 the coffee was Decaf 😀 thank you for being here!
@SandraRodriguez-ff2rz 8 ай бұрын
Memories for a lifetime. Worth it all.
@ozarkview928 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful scenery ❤ My views on Halloween are the same as yours . I think the displays are worse this year 😢as a grandma with 16 grandchildren an counting my heart aches for the young . I must remember Gods grace is sufficient until he comes again .
@marilynweist2645 9 ай бұрын
Looks like you guys had a great time! Fun, relaxing and family time! Have a safe trip home! ❤
@aferguson5403 9 ай бұрын
Love love the fall foliage. What a fun family vacation.
@karenprince8905 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing such a special time with your family. The area is quite beautiful.
@shirleykinney3777 9 ай бұрын
Your family makes me smile. What a Beautiful Place to camp.Love all the Beautiful tree. I agree with you about Halloween. Love how you both are teaching your children about God. Thanks for sharing Your Time. God Bless!
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thank you and thanks for being here. Blessings
@bettyloar2238 9 ай бұрын
I love Xander’s answer too, he is spot on, God doesn’t like it.
@Wkayjlamb 9 ай бұрын
This was so fun to watch.
@deniseunruh8752 9 ай бұрын
I look forward to the Fridays you post😊Thanks for making my day again!
@nylecacaddick8776 9 ай бұрын
I am glad you and your family is having fun being on the water, fishing, picnicking, and much more gave fun....
@beachgranny8355 9 ай бұрын
100% agree. Well said. We are happy campers as well. Thanks for the beautiful video. ❤️❤️❤️
@eleanor3508 9 ай бұрын
Love watching your beautiful family having fun. It very relaxing to drive and look at the pretty leaves.
@laurenalcala4253 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful camping area. So happy you had a wonderful time! TFS ❤️
@JandKG 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing, Jeannine! And thanks for bringing that subject to light.. Totally agree - we as Christians should not partake in darkness - not even dip our little toe in something like Halloween! A local business in our community was planning on hosting a medium but a big group of concerned Christians encouraged the owner to cancel - explaining that exposing people and ESPECIALLY children to demonic activity is dangerous to say the least. We were so thankful that he canceled! Praise God!!! 🙌💞
@susiecox8413 9 ай бұрын
Hi all, what a fun camping trip minus the feeling sickie. The kids are growing so fast!
@nenadominguez4359 9 ай бұрын
You have a wonderful and beautiful family!!! Thank you for sharing this family time with us! 💕👍🏻
@amywood5568 8 ай бұрын
In my neck of the woods we always celebrated harvest festivals. Our church always put one on as an alternative, and I have such fun memories. The home made costumes the friends and candy the games we played. We never celebrated the darkness.surrounding the day, instead we made it about fun, And the wrap up to the end of a season. Now I hand out candy to the kids that come knocking on our door. I want our neighbors to know we are safe and it’s been a great way to meet them and yes there are those scary costumes and the darkness is real. But I get a chance to share kindness and a friendly smile. Because those people who are in those scary costumes still need Jesus too and there’s a saying that “kindness leads to repentance.” I’ve made it into a chance to meet my neighbors and be a friendly familiar face. 🥰🥰
@cristinalancia8920 9 ай бұрын
Lovely to watch... You are all so precious.💐💕🙏
@ruthturkington1736 8 ай бұрын
So beautiful the autumn camping time! Love how Zander is talking like a big boy. Lexi’s melt down about change reminds me of one of our grandsons. He’s almost 2 & doesn’t like change while his twin is just fine with it!!!
@ednatroyer1307 9 ай бұрын
What a beautiful place to camp!!! There is nothing better then a boy and his fishing rod!! Love it!! Thank you for taking us along on your beautiful camping weekend. God bless!!
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for coming along! We hit the perfect weekend for the colors!
@enkcal7843 8 ай бұрын
Another great video! Thanks for sharing. Not on board with Halloween.
@sondras.crochet.corner 9 ай бұрын
My parents were married on Halloween in 1967. My dad wanted to be married to my mom before he shipped out to Vietnam the morning of November 1st. The only celebrating we ever did as a family on Halloween was to go out to eat at a fancy restaurant and celebrate my parents wedding anniversary. We did that till my dad took sick and passed away in 2011.
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
That's so interesting! 😀 thank you for sharing. It's not the day itself that matters, it's what we are celebrating 😀
@carolwhisenhunt7504 9 ай бұрын
I had so much fun on this camping trip. Ty for letting me come along. It seemed like the perfect time. Ty for this video.
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for coming along!
@jacquethirlkel3001 9 ай бұрын
Great video as usual! God bless your family!
@rebeccadumas9536 8 ай бұрын
I loved this video ❤ It is always so fun to share your trips with you guys. God bless y'all & I can't wait to see what comes next. Much love, friends ❤
@theMennoniteMom 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!! So honored to have here!
@Dana-mb1hd 9 ай бұрын
I LOVE your channel! I can always count on you for a smile thank you❤❤❤
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Aww thank you so much! 💓 love having you here
@belieftransformation 9 ай бұрын
Wonderful family adventures! Thanks for sharing! Your kids are precious & growing up so quickly! My grandkids are grown up except for a 10 year old. Time flies by! Blessings to everyone 🤗💗🇨🇦
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
It flies too quickly 😢 I'm sure you have a lot of fun with your grandkids
@flograce8210 8 ай бұрын
How fun! Zander is a great big brother ❤️I love ⛺️
@danasnow8266 9 ай бұрын
Lexi is getting so big. So love your family adventures
@sylviablanchard1205 9 ай бұрын
For years I considered myself a Christian, but I had never had it explained biblically why Halloween is a holiday that celebrates the darkness of the world. So from that point on, I made a point of celebrating the fall harvest. The colors of fall are beautiful. I love to decorate my house in harvest.
@lauratohome 8 ай бұрын
Halloween was not a celebration like it’s become to sell stuff and candy to people,it. Was an accnologement of the demons in our community for one day and to ban them from our community for all the rest of the days of the year.a time to be holy instead of giving the demons power , for remaining 364 days a year.Demons one ,God 364.
@deborahwright5717 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful video. One of a kind in a quality video. I agree with you about Halloween, thanks for speaking on the subject. Horrible images are being normalized.
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for always taking the time to comment. Love having you here!
@sarahwhite9774 8 ай бұрын
You guys are the best parents. I hope I can learn from you to do better!
@prestonfortin9419 8 ай бұрын
I had a smile on my face throughout this entire video. Your children are so precious to watch. We have 3 great grandchildren between 2 months and almost 3 years old. Since they live 3 1/2 hours from us, we don’t get to see them often. Perhaps that is the reason I enjoyed this episode so much. Thank you for sharing it with us.
@theMennoniteMom 8 ай бұрын
I'm sure it's hard not being able to see them much 🥲
@theresadavis4885 9 ай бұрын
It looks like you had a wonderful time!!!!!
@candacekesting1786 9 ай бұрын
She is so cute !!
@user-gr6ib6sv1h 9 ай бұрын
Bless your heart.
@louisehuggy469 8 ай бұрын
I loved what you said. Light and darkness just don’t mix.
@vickiewinfrey2439 9 ай бұрын
Enjoyed
@nylecacaddick8776 9 ай бұрын
Both, I love seeing little kids dressed in costume and coming to the door, our house is sobfar off the street we get very few... I believe in Mexico the holiday they celebrate " The Day Of The Day " spending time visiting their love ones had have picnic with the deceased love ones...
@charlenebain5341 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful family ❤❤❤
@gloriahockenberry1932 8 ай бұрын
Oh, wow! Wonderful! Next time I will come up and say 'hi' ! :)
@kandisnook1281 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful, peaceful. Family time inGods beauty is the best. Your sweet family makes me smile. Prayers for you all. Thank you for sharing this.
@CS-bn4un 9 ай бұрын
What's not to enjoy and love about this family outing video? I know y'all aren't always laughing and giggling together, but the atmosphere between you all is so encouraging and sweet. That's a reflection of your spiritual foundation in Christ in your marriage and family, but still It. Takes. Work and the strength of the Lord!
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, life can be heavy and we have our moments... but there is something about little family getaways that make such bond for us... and we are blessed to be able to do it. Thank you for being here
@somersetflower 9 ай бұрын
Tickled to see Xanda back to his bouncy Tigger self ! 🐯 Doesn't time fly? I can't believe that Lexi is so big and mobile oo-er ! Thanks for sharing lovely times and the adventures of your lovely family especially in the beautiful Autumn colours. Xander, you are so grown up and so clever to be paddling yourself well done ! Love as always Your friend Janice 👵 🇬🇧 xxx
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Janice! We are so thankful he is doing well. Yes Lexi is quite the mover these days 😀 thanks for being here
@tc6375 8 ай бұрын
God bless you. You have a beautiful family
@marjoriecarpenter 8 ай бұрын
I totally agreement with your stand and comments regarding Halloween!
@ConservativeVeteran 9 ай бұрын
Totally agree....Love fall....dislike Halloween.
@vjohnson2400 9 ай бұрын
Poor wee Lexi, I hope she’s fully restored to good health. Zander is quite the fisher man, his casting looks awesome.
@peterwhite9261 9 ай бұрын
That was a lovely family camping trip. I agree about Halloween. When we were young we had Disney or superhero costumes. Now it is too gross and morbid. I still hand out healthy treats to the trick or treaters. I loved that still pick of Xander kicking the water. ❤
@positiveblessingskarrie3194 9 ай бұрын
What a wonderful camping place for fall time. I am on the fence with Halloween I agree with you on the extreme gory decorations getting put up each year. We have Halloween decorations of not so gory stuff. We carve a cross or Happy face in pumpkins. We pass out goodie bags to trick or treaters in our area we get lots of them. Some years we pass out gospel tracts but this year we did not find what tracts we wanted to pass out. When we started to look our car ran into problem. We just like bring lighthouse in neighborhood in darkened world. So we still pass out treats a have chili or tacos or pizza other fun stuff.
@gailheyer9810 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful such a nice video.
@monicaswavel6074 9 ай бұрын
I agree with you on Halloween. Definitely from the kingdom of darkness not of God. Beautiful family and beautiful camping trip. ❤ But if you train them in the way they should go they will follow God. I'm so looking forward to the future world of righteousness! Until then its encouraging to see young Christian families raising their families to honor God!
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Yes! Thank you for coming along
@sandramiller8183 8 ай бұрын
You’re in our neck of the woods! And yes, I believe Halloween is for kids to have good, clean fun and get lots of treats! My mom died on Halloween, so there’s that. ☹️
@bettyblevins8085 9 ай бұрын
When my children was growing up we celebrated Halloween with rules no scary costumes and our decorations consists of scarecrows, pumpkins, candy corn garland. Our goal is to celebrate the harvest in both October and November. The church we used to go to stressed it was harvest time and All Saints Eve and Nov. 1 was the day to honor our ancestors who have gone on to their glory with Christ.
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
I remember growing up, to see the gruesome things was much more rare... now it seems you hardly see anything but that. Thanks for sharing
@theresaray6612 9 ай бұрын
Your kids are so cute
@nylecacaddick8776 9 ай бұрын
I love you little girl's boots I hope your baby feels better
@robyncurry6985 8 ай бұрын
Love Galitzen! We live in Altoona and it’s a favorite campground around here!!
@frandemianczyk 9 ай бұрын
❤Thanks for sharing this fun video!! 🥰🙏🏻❤️❌⭕️🤗
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for always taking the time to comment!
@carolineconnelly782 9 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness. You were in my neighborhood. We live on the other side of the lake, and often go to the campgrounds for a walk. We love this place too. We camped there for over 20 years and found a piece of property here. I would have stopped to say hello. Next time.
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Oh wow! That's awesome. We often get over there every year. It's so so pretty! You are fortunate to live so close
@aggiemom3690 9 ай бұрын
We very much deslike Halloween, but i am thankful that here where we live are very minimal Halloween decorations mostly fall and thanksgiving!
@sallieredman7349 9 ай бұрын
Appreciate the Halloween question. My husband and I see it differently.
@SandraRodriguez-ff2rz 8 ай бұрын
It's beautiful. God's amazing creation. I love it. I love in Northwest Arkansas and it's turning into beautiful fall colors. It's amazing what God does.❤❤❤
@shelleyanne3522 9 ай бұрын
Loved watching this video. Tears are in my eyes for how precious Xander and little Lexi are. Halloween is becoming more popular in Australia now. The items in the store are so ugly. Whatever things are beautiful and true ,think upon these things or whatever that verse is. His beauty is in the trees you pointed out.
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
Amen! Thank you for that
@sharyn208 9 ай бұрын
I definitely agree that Halloween is pure evil. I just cannot understand why born again believers would celebrate this day. Thank you for another beautiful holiday away. The scenery was absolutely magnificent, I now feel completely relaxed. Have a Blessed day.
@marciejones3538 9 ай бұрын
Precious family. 😊
@linak7155 9 ай бұрын
Jeaninne, we are so drawn to ur family videos. Although we are fallen beings (as you said), you seek Light n Life n Goodness. I so enjoyed the delight in Nolan's face when you offered him the most perfect latte🥰 ☕️ Whenever we travel, I bring my keurig and milk frother. Yours is THE best machine as it also grinds the 🫘. What is the name? ♡♡♡♡
@friendlyo9749 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful days! Blessings to you and yours!! I love your dresses I wonder if there any way to order one somewhere....
@lynisewolf9377 9 ай бұрын
Bet she was sea sick, Absolutely loved THE VIDEO❤️
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
That could be! Thank you
@marygray7550 9 ай бұрын
Wete dose time go your little girl is getting so big and cut❤
@joycel242 9 ай бұрын
We loved to camp in the Fall and Winter at state parks. No mosquitos and no snakes. Love the yellow dress fabric. Where did you get it?
@saraharper2102 9 ай бұрын
Prince Galitzian State Park is so nice.I dont live far and our family goes there often.Maybe some year we can meet up.
@SandraRodriguez-ff2rz 8 ай бұрын
Adult celebrate Halloween cuz it's a holiday and for Satan. It tells us in the Bible. And for anyone that does that's between God and that person. Love the video. Y'all are such a blessed family,who loves the Lord and such a happy family. It's such a joy to watch y'all. Just remember God has favor over y'all. ❤❤❤❤
@thefehrs 8 ай бұрын
What a sweet video, I think camping in fall is so pretty with all the beautiful changing colors 🍂 I was wondering where you got that little lawn/high chair from? Would love to get my grandkids one like that.
@theMennoniteMom 8 ай бұрын
I got it on Amazon! Just search for camping high chair 😀
@thefehrs 8 ай бұрын
@@theMennoniteMom thanks 😊
@barbaramartin6837 9 ай бұрын
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. (The best thing we can give to our children is a good foundation.)
@sherry1253 9 ай бұрын
Im a Christian-I put out pumpkins and silly Halloween decor-its not that serious, but I do not put out bloody scary demonic stuff either. Your videos are so good-what you capture how you edit is so brilliant - I feel like I am there sometimes-its done so well.
@positiveblessingskarrie3194 9 ай бұрын
Yes me to however my husband picked out a scary witch😂. Will be glad it be down on the first.
@mariamikkelsen4803 8 ай бұрын
As a non-Christian. In Sweden, we are celebrating all saints day around your Halloween, and it is about putting candles in your loved ones' grave, remembering the people who passed away and honour them. The last few years, the American tradition of Halloween has come along, and I'm fine with that (the costumes and all), but it is forgetting the core of all Saints' days, which is what I think is sad as I like the tradition of the candles, gather around to remeber etc.
@leonastutzman6190 8 ай бұрын
I really agree with your thoughts on Halloween! I so dislike what we are seeing and it does get worse every year. Why people want to expose such evil to their children is beyond me. God bless you for the Godly principles you are instilling in your children.
@carolpetchey8673 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing with us your camping trip. I don't like Halloween x
@b-good2. 9 ай бұрын
Your camping trip looked like so much fun! I can't really see Jesus celebrating Halloween as it is around here! So no, we don't participate. Use it as an opportunity to teach our children to be intentional about following Christ instead of thoughtlessly following customs around us. Thanks for sharing the beautiful fall colors. ~Bonnie
@theMennoniteMom 9 ай бұрын
I like your teaching method. You've inspired me to do likewise
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