The name Mary Sue actually originates from a star treck self insert fanfiction, in which the main character was named Mary Sue :) she’s forever been used as an example of what not to do in writing. Mary Sues name has been burned into my mind as an art and writing interested kid. It was very very controversial if ones oc was a “Mary Sue” like literally one of the deadly sins

i'm firmly in the "Jordan should yell more" camp! your excitement is v contagious!!!

So glad I discovered Jordan

Not the Polyvore links. I completely forgot about the icon that was polyvore. The constant hyperlinks of outfits to help the reader truly 'immerse' into the fic because no one could be bothered to describe them.

im so glad jordan made a whole episode about fanfiction I grew up on marauders era fanfiction and wattpad (unfortunately) and percy jackson fanfiction omg. it gave me my queer awakening. its so iconic

I literally just submitted a 3000 word essay about fanfiction in the modern publishing industry. This video couldn’t have come out sooner? 😂

I recently got into fanfiction again after 8 years without reading any. I was in a really bad place mentally, failing all my uni classes (still am) and just felt like I needed some fluff in my life, something to make me feel less miserable, so I looked up fanfics of this one couple I'm currently obsessed with and now I'm addicted to fanfiction again lol

Bad boy x Good girl works best when 1. The "bad boy" isn't a bad person; if he's just a rascal who might be out of pocket sometimes, maybe he's a bit blunt or rude bc he wants to be honest, and when you actually evaluate his actions you realise he's got a good moral compass, and 2. the "good girl" likes his rascal personality and doesn't want to "fix" him; if she likes him for his principles, and stands up for her own principles at the same time, and genuinely enjoys his presence, I love it! It's also REALLY important to me if she has desires and wants of her own that he supports. He's got to also genuinely enjoy her presense and not want to change her. It's my favourite trope when done right, but can VERY easily be written so wrong, so toxic, which is why I just write the stories myself in my own head before I fall asleep lol When the two of them are always arguing I'm like "do u even like each other 😭😭😭 stop forcing urselves,,, just kiss and move on,, it's okay 😭😭😭"

screaming cos I was there when quizilla shut down. when i tell you i used that website every day and posted my little quizzes and crackfics, I think i even read my first loki x reader smut there 😭😭😭. shout out to everyone who wrote all those shitty 7 minutes in heavens :'). After quizilla died i migrated to wattpad to post OC stories and read hunger games fanfiction and these days I'm on A03, time is a flat circle

You mentioned polyvore!!! The way that site had a chokehold on me. I didn’t get to dress myself for years and when I did, it was clothes my mom would buy, so I made outfits on there!

Jordan telling us she didn't have many friends growing up broke my heart, cus I just couldn't imagine the jordan doing this podcast and the social commentary videos on her main channel not having plenty of friends 🥲

i used to not get the appeal of fanfiction about real people until i got back into k-pop and missed reading fanfics from a fandom i really enjoyed. I've found most of the people writing are just using these celebs names as stand-ins for their original characters, or base their original characters of certain personality traits they like in these celebs. honestly I've found these are the people within the fandoms that are most aware that you can never know your fav celeb intimately because we're not their friends and they're always playing character in public to certain extent -- or at least the more mature ones do, cuz i am sure there might a few young ones that believe they know their fav k-pop boy intimately. k-pop itself just lends itself very easily for these fan-created media because we never really know much about the singers as people themselves since they're always trying to keep a very wholesome image despite it all so there's a level of disconnect that artists in western media are less likely to achieve, i think. also it's just fun to envision these celebs in ridiculously mundane situations.

All the young dudes is also uploaded on youtube as an audiobook if anybodys interested but doesn't like reading, would really recommend. It's a very sweet story with slow burn plot, basically just the marauders growing up and having fun. The account is called 'Flaur's uploads' I believe.

this just unlocked some very old (and possibly also supressed) memories 🤣🤣🤣

I remember the first time I read y/n books and for a period after I thought the name was yin lin😭

Justice for one bed trope!!!

Omg not the “Remus chuckled “ pls this is so funnnnny

jordan??? did not expect u to be a fanfiction girlie??? 44:43 ranking fanfiction tropes 53:41 reading fanfiction excerpts

i actually discovered almost all my favorite pop punk bands through quizilla fanfictions!! they all had the same kind of formula - you were the cool girl that was close with the band and were either childhood friends with them in their home town and/or they'd invite you on tour with them and then you fell in love with one of them through the course of the tour lmao

I'd like to think Homers Iliad and Odyssey are the first fanfictions

do i read fanfiction?? no will i enjoy the fuck out of this ultra long video?? yess also i consider the iliad fanfiction,, same with count of monte cristo also chrétien de troyes i think if u take lancelot its kinda fanfic??

not the jordan potter sirius black remus lupin love triangle 😭😭

You look incredible!!! I love the hair leave the roots there please, the color the style it’s all like bratz vibe 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 Stunning! Btw love your energy ❤

This is such an obscure topic that many people don't know about and I'm so glad you covered it!! Fanfiction was such a big part of my childhood, teenhood, and a smaller but still important part of my adulthood. Loved hearing your breakdown of it, especially as someone who was more a Twihard than a Potterhead in my teens, and of course loved the My Immortal section call-out is always so funny. I'll add my opinion on fics of real people. Firmly in the 'no' camp, as the character's are (usually) fleshed out and have distinct and appeasing personalities, but the real person is someone we as fans don't know at all. I tried reading a real person fic when I was younger, and even then it felt creepy. Anyways, another amazing video essay Jordan!!

Cackling at the concept that the Bible was a fan fiction, soooo true.

Personally, I find the fun of fanfiction is in the romance of fictional characters who make sense together. I never went for y/n or original characters, I actually disliked that trope. I still like reading about people falling in love, but I reach more for established pairings rather than anyone I could see myself in, probably something to analyze in therapy lol

The video was wonderful took me back to old times reading fanific, I recognized so many titles! If you want to see more Jessica Biel, The Sinner is also her absolutely ACTING! Pablo Schreiber is also hot AF in American Gods, and Melanie Lysnskey is also so good in Yellowjackets. Sorry I get all excited about t.v., love your channel.🙂

When you said Dan and Phil fanfiction I knew Milk was going to be mentioned and I knew it was going to bring back trauma 😭

SO TRUE justin timberlake IS so recognizable😭 i’ll see the most random pictures and i notice he’s in it before anyone else LMAOOOOO or when my mom and grandma are showing me celeb culture stuff from their generations😭

i always look forward yo your pod-- youre such a girls girl, my friends and i all watch!! love u jordan 💖💖

been waiting for this one!!!!

I love your podcast so much like it’s so fun I feel like I’m talking to my friend about our fandoms and fangirling together. Like hearing you get all excited made me excited like yes! Tell me more!!

Thanks bestie for the rec to watch Girls! Loved it!!!!!! Amazing! Adam driver’s character made me feel 1,000 different feelings

SO glad I discovered you. You seem to have a video for EVERYTHING I’m interested in and I’m living for it. Thanks for all the amazing content xxx

might be one of my fav videos ever, this was so so fun stooooop!! u're literally my best friend

i loved this !!! your excitement is contagious jordan and i really appreciate how you approached the topic from a place of love and not mockery. obviously there is a lot of room for criticism when it comes to fanfiction and it's totally ok to laugh at it sometimes but too often do i see people looking down on the genre without acknowledging any of the good parts and thinking they're "better than" because they never partook in fanfic "culture".... i agree with your point on fanfics about real people though

looooooved this episode omg, what a nostalgia trip this was & it was so fun to watch seeing how passionate and excited you were!! I remember the first time I'd discovered Fan Fiction i thought i'd stumbled down some forbidden rabbit hole of the internet for teenage fangirls lol, loved that you addressed all the positive aspects while not shying away from the problematic undertones.

i was about to comment that i wish you had more time to keep talking about fanfiction and all its universe, and then i looked up and the video is almost two hours long and i didn't even realize because of how invested i was. this episode was amazing and your excitement (as mny have mentioned already) absolutely made the whole watch/listening more incredible. it felt like talking with a friend ❤ that being said, i wish you had more time to keep talking about fanfiction!!!

I could literally listen to you talk about anything you have such a sweet presence

"matthew, luke, and some other guys" lol ilysm

oh god all the young dudes i rlly need to read that lol OMG MY IMMORTAL LMAO

There's another Harry Styles fanfic that's published and there's four books in the series. It's called Anarchy by Megan DeVos. Basically imagine a post-apocalypse/dystopian society with the last of us overgrown-post-warzone city scenery and rival groups set up (with a touch of hunger games childhood trauma) and put harry styles and an original character as the leads. It's very teenie with the love-story in the first book but the story itself does develop into a more serious plot and actually overtakes the love story later on. Plus the world building is very good imo. There's a fancast list and the first couple chapters of each book on wattpad still but obvs not the full series and also for the published books harry is now henry. It's a good book if you were into the maze runner/hunger games/divergent type literature.

Obsessed with the fact that u love until dawn cuz literally same, i would love to see u and lem play it one day🤍

OMG I got rained on so much yesterday after it was so sunny and lovely all day

This was the funniest podcast episode so far 😄😄😄 I loved your energy ! 🔥🤩 i wish that I could go back in time to live this era of fanfictions but you made it so good that now i can pretend that i was living this era with you so thank you 😂😭💀❤❤❤

That was just amazing, i had looot of fun

I'm growing out my roots too because I want healthier hair and I think it looks cool tbh!

I would actually argue that the Iliad, the oldest written European story, is already fanfiction of the Greek gods, so there you have the first fanfiction^^

I'll be honest, I love fanfiction as much as anyone, but I understand why some authors don't want anyone to take the world they've crafted and use it in any-which-way. Especially when the characters/worlds are Bad™ or if they have some historical context (which often need to be handled with gravitas). Fanfiction writers sometimes take them and remove all of the bad/important things that the original author included in the first place. It can come off as "I just want a fluffy little setting and fluffy little characters where I *the fanfic writer inserting themselves* can do whatever I want," which I get, but I understand why some authors wouldn't want that.

omg i mentioned the polyvore links in your insta ask!! love that you remember them!! another great episode jordan💛

i will be rewatching this anytime i get sad lolll

im glad u mentioned rpf bc i feel like when people have been talking about fanfic they haven't mentioned it when it's a pretty big part of fanfic worlds - at least in my experience, bc my primary fandoms as a teenager were always musicians. for me, i was always kinda uncomfortable with non-au (alternate universe) fics, i.e. when it's set in "real life" and can lean more into theorising (i think frerard is a big thing for this lol), but i think, as someone else mentioned, a lot of rpf is basically treating these real people like actors portraying their original characters. a good example of this imo is unholyverse, a huge mcr fic series that has the first section based off the film stigmata (i was also surprised no one mentioned uhv as an iconic fic lmao). fundamentally i also think no one should be showing fanfic to the people theyre writing about or anything honey this podcast isn't big enough for the two of us also has an ep (i think it's the 'religious ecstacy in the pit' one) that does mention rpf and they basically say that in that instance the real people portrayed aren't those real people like they're a representation/they become a character in a way, which i think is rly interesting. for me, i think this is definitely true with people who have more of like a public face/persona like a musician or an actor etc whereas i find the fact that rpf exists about football players rly weird/hilarious bc of the lack of fandomisation of football and footballers not rly having that kind of persona if that makes sense? loved this tho this was so good and u unlocked deeply repressed memories of quotev and the polyvore and weheartit attachments!!

I Ike listening to this podcast while at work.

47:28 Same, like reminiscing on fanfiction is such a happy fun thing.

Best episode yet!

THE POLYVORE LINKS! 🙌🏽 I lived for these lol

I hated using Wattpad. When I uploaded my fanfiction, it just wouldn't show up in the categories I tagged bc you can't filter "new" stories, the algorithm prefers popular stories. But how are people supposed to discover my work and find out if they like it when it's not in the search? Help also couldn't help me, they were like, "but I can find your story? It's there, I can read it and everything. What's your problem?" And I was like, "yeah, but you had to specifically look for the title to find it. Don't you see a problem there?" And the answer was no

jordan!!!!!!????? i had no idea this channel existed

obviously I can’t properly see the whole outfit together but it sounds/looks so cute to me!

YYAAAAYYYYYYY ANOTHER VOICE NOOOOOOTEEEEEEEEEEE YAYAYAYAYAYAYY

i love the shirt it reminds me of a green love heart Luv these conversations w u hehe

You look sooo pretty!

I never got into written fan fiction HOWEVER my big thing was crossover videos where people with mad adobe skills edited different Disney characters together to create music videos of those characters telling new stories. 😅 LoveAndHeartbreaks Poison and Wine video of Cinderella and Jim Hawkins being in love is still something I revisit 🤣

Wattpad is good community cause the in chapter comment section is the best part.

I used to read a looot of glee fanfics, mainly blainexkurt but almost any male pairing (finnxpuck,puckxblaine etc) there was one specific klaine fic i remember LOVING sm i think blaine was like a skater dude in cali it was cute. Also if you're legit interested in my immortal, Strange Aeons did some videos on it including a full reading lol

Interview with the vampire the amc show is SO GOOD

Omg Boots is having a wild time haha

Sarah Z also has a really good video on fanfiction!!! I love the way you look at fanfic too :')

Have you tried to find the deleted fanfiction with Internet Archive tools?(like the Wayback Machine)

I realized that reading het romance fanfics is a vastly different experience lmao. I never really enjoyed w/m fics so I couldn't really relate to your experiences, but I still enjoyed the episode

Me and my baby girl enjoyed watching your video

RPF is, indeed, a bit strange if you think about it too closely. I have still been reading various forms of it for, like, twelve years at this point. In my experience the people writing and reading that sort of thing are very much aware that it's not really about the real people but rather just uses their names and appearances (and public personas) in order to write a story in a setting that the writer finds interesting, like the music scene or whatever. Nevertheless it should be kept out of sight of the people whose names get mentioned as much as possible because, well, yeah. I can see why that would make someone uncomfortable. Links to that stuff definitely don't belong on Twitter, not even as a joke.

Yayy!!

Quotev and polyvore brings back so much

Does anyone have a link to the Negan fan fiction lol

Feel the need to state that one of the co-founders of Ao3 is Naomi Novik, a published author that I absolutely love! So she is the complete opposite of some authors when it comes to fanfic

"HIS WALLS" !?!??!?!!!?

It's great that you recognized the queer representation in fanfiction, but I'm a little disappointed you didn't go a step further and cover the importance of fanfiction to ace (asexual) folk. Many are a lot more comfortable exploring sexuality through media, and fandom helps with repressed sexuality in general too. For example, I didn't fully understand sexual attraction or even craving physical touch as a teenager until I found smut that I really enjoyed reading. Through connecting with fictional crushes I found out I'm actually demisexual (+biromantic, gender didn't really matter as I read lots of gay fics too). It's also worth mentioning fictosexuality = being mostly attracted to fictional characters. Yup, there's a label for it! Anygays, great episode 👍👍

QUIZILLA SHUT DOWN?!?!?!?!?!

Thrift books has really cheap great quaint books

'I only know Jessica Biel because she was married to Mr Peanutbutter' LMAOO

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Most of my braincells were brutally burned off by emo fanfics

Sorry but once the cat appeared i stopped even registering what she was saying

I long for the day people show the same about of vitriol and disgust at the crimes of men as they do towards jk. Y'all are so careful to boycott everything she makes and more power to you but don't fall in the trap of being extra harsh towards women, and letting men who do far far worse things slip by.