FantaSy (T) vs Soma (Z) on Neo Sylphid. Want to support ArtosisCasts? / artosis I'm probably LIVE right now, check me out: →Twitch: / artosis
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@chasesherwood64728 ай бұрын
this is quickly becoming my favorite channel on youtube. thanks arty, i love this shit!
@turgid43918 ай бұрын
God it’s so refreshing to NOT see defilers in a TvZ a great game
@ExplosionsAndZombies8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the casts arty, loving these
@kobebrighton8 ай бұрын
BW air units rock, had a blast with this game, air to air and air to ground combat makes BW the gem that it is
@MundaneDave8 ай бұрын
Really love Fantasy's new TvZ builds, not just because they're creative but that "glass cannon" feel sacrificing as much standard-game safety as he can. gg
@Lappmogel8 ай бұрын
9:00 i think a bunker with a couple of marines and maybe a firebat at his natural to protect that move out would've been huge. Wouldn't have lost those two tanks and he would've been in a very good position after that.
@TheSuperappelflap7 ай бұрын
nah, he just shouldnt have tried to send 2 tanks out on the map by themselves while his army was already walking home to go pick them up.
@jensa2818 ай бұрын
That felt like a really different and refreshing TvZ for some reason. Great cast!
@noonefromnowhere994 ай бұрын
Wow this game was crazy, so many back and forth battles!
@Chamuzi8 ай бұрын
Solid game. Great action from start to finish.
@siah75908 ай бұрын
That Valk trap was sick!! Took out all 3 with them thinking they'll catch the mutas..!
@thefairangel8 ай бұрын
Nice win by soma what a beast!
@johntucket92218 ай бұрын
appreciate the clickbait title that isn't a lie or a spoiler. I know it's an art form :) Missing you in GSL, watching here to get my fix
@Winnetou178 ай бұрын
OMG, gigantic amounts of valkyries and queens, this was an awesome game! Also, I'm so happy and hyped up for Fantasy's return. He had a lot of weird strats back in the day. Can't wait to see more of him. The only thing I'm missing out is a vulture terror, like NaDa. Terrans nowadays really are lazy AF and underutilize vultures.
@WickedServantEbay8 ай бұрын
yeah and many zerg players forget about zerglings mid and late game it always annoys me when my Im rooting for zerg (my favorite) or terran (second favorite) and the player isnt using the bread and butter units
@greenwave8198 ай бұрын
these guys are going wild!
@Kinzey8 ай бұрын
I stopped watching BW and SC2 once Blizzard released the first expansion for SC2 and added more workers in the start to kill early game. It's very interesting to read up on everything that has happened since and that BW is still in and Artosis and Tasteless are still around.
@turgid43918 ай бұрын
Nobody ruins games like blizzard man. So glad they don’t care about BW otherwise they’d ruin it too
@Ziegfried828 ай бұрын
Yeah SC2 became a mess after the first expac I gotta agree.
@kya68168 ай бұрын
Yeah lotv's 12 worker patch was just ruin game. No room for strategy move. Every game played same build pool after that.
@Kinzey8 ай бұрын
@@kya6816 exactly. The possiblity of early game attacks made it so fun to watch, especially on GSL. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks like this.
@Kinzey8 ай бұрын
@@turgid4391 eventually they will since it would compete against sc3. Let's hope they just focus on loot boxes and mobile games.
@anotherguy70218 ай бұрын
Thanks for casting the games every day! 👍
@alexeymalafeev61678 ай бұрын
Arty, if Jangbi comes back we'll have everything we wanted.
@rasm5238 ай бұрын
21:33 The giggle is hilarious :D
@chaos8008 ай бұрын
always love a good queen game that drop was crazy
@Cromius7713 ай бұрын
18 minutes in and this game is jaw dropping
@user-bj6et6oz4g8 ай бұрын
Very interesting match!
@TotoTitus8 ай бұрын
Queens and Valkyries ??! Whoaaaa
@Aggnog8 ай бұрын
Valkyrie micro needs to evolve quite a bit more it seems, too often they keep dying and in low numbers they lose too much power, and by the end Fantasy forgot to even use the few ones he had left.
@TheSuperappelflap7 ай бұрын
mostly the micro against the scourge yeah
@MrZebub8 ай бұрын
Always felt that spawn broodings working on siege tanks is iffy lore-wise.
@turgid43918 ай бұрын
I coulda sworn it said non mechanical for years. But I’m pretty sure I got it confused with irradiate. I also thought irradiate was bad lol, I had no idea how things really were
@toomuchinvigilation24198 ай бұрын
@@turgid4391 It's actually "non-robotic", so Spawn Broodling can't be used on Spider Mines, Reavers, Probes and Archons (not really robots, but I guess they are protected by their aura).
@KoIossov8 ай бұрын
I see it as the Queen using a super powerful acid spore sort of attack (what the Guardian uses) that burns through the armour of tanks and obliterates marines on contact. Unlike the Guardian, the Queen's projectile houses an egg inside that releases broodlings. When this hatches inside of a penetrated tank, the Broodlings shred through the inside, ripping through fuel lines and electronics and feasting on the crew, before emerging from the disabled tank to find new targets. The Broodlings won't survive after hatching without consuming organic matter straight away, so implanting eggs on robotic units or entities like Archons is not something that Queens are compelled to do.
@jonahjameson2728 ай бұрын
@@toomuchinvigilation2419haven't played in years but I think it may work on archons
@BreakTheIce2226 ай бұрын
@@jonahjameson272 Works on all ground units except: Archon, Reaver, Probe, Dark Archon, and Spider Mines.
@Fanelan0538 ай бұрын
Very good playing
@nooneinparticular33707 ай бұрын
Man, six base Zerg is an absolute menace, and I didn't know about this Queen build, absolutely destroying the tanks!
@alan_e_8 ай бұрын
I see what Fantasy is going for here and I love the idea. If he can retain his valks and perhaps even get +2 attack it could work out. If you can force zerg into a position to have to create hydras then it's better counterplay vs air then starting out with mass goliath like the "goliath build" or other mech builds. I'm going to have fun continuing to watch the mech evolution. Soma played amazingly to regrab air control and that was a great decision to make mid game.
@simonchai30408 ай бұрын
Flash vs fantasy lets see it happen. Some of the most epic classic broodwar battles ever
@thomasdoggett99198 ай бұрын
I believe that Fantasy and Janbi met in the last two Kespa era finals and were arguably the best of their races. Artosis is there any information on what Jangbi went on to do?
@-LocoBolon8 ай бұрын
very cool game Arty
@matthewbae34668 ай бұрын
Just want to say I really enjoy the Korean ladder games!
@scottfuscomusic8 ай бұрын
Amazing game!
@therearenoshortcuts98688 ай бұрын
"mass Queen" we will we will rock you...
@SERGIYAN8 ай бұрын
Hey Arty , what about 3rd 4rd ASL ?
@violetrecluse8 ай бұрын
Very cool
@edbwestlund8 ай бұрын
Great game
@sti81168 ай бұрын
Terran players sure do love the corsair!
@Mathos934 ай бұрын
great game
@c99kfm8 ай бұрын
What's a Wahl Kehrie?
@hydraman0078 ай бұрын
Big fan of |||||||||||||||||. Excited to watch him on ACL.
@Crud-Stevens8 ай бұрын
Cool Beans
@bfors84988 ай бұрын
What's the answer to queens? Mech always gets obliterated and it doesn't ever seem close.
@bfors84988 ай бұрын
Maybe careful scouting and EMP
@Ziegfried828 ай бұрын
Wraiths, battlecruisers, and valks. Basically you gotta find the queens and kill em with your air. Goliaths don't do enough damage fast enough to stop it, and good luck landing EMPs it's hard enough to do that vs protoss! Mech means you won't have enough gas to get many vessels either unlike SK terran build. Wraiths are probably the best queen hunters but I'd say BCs are nice too because the zerg won't have defiler..no plague or dark swarm makes hydras not nearly as good.
@amai23078 ай бұрын
Good positioning with goliaths and tanks is already enough at even game. Emp straight up destroys queens. Even here if Fantasy just kept his valk production he could win.
@ObeliskM8 ай бұрын
It seems that the only possible counter to queens mech has is lucky EMP or actively trying to hunt them down with wraiths/valks. Otherwise they will destroy tanks, even if most of them dies in the process (so goliaths do not work).
@dainbaril29347 ай бұрын
I guess you need really good information about where the queens are and if they are being built to counter. But yeah, once they are built, in position, and have the energy they are impossible to counter. One way to tell might be if the Zerg is not producing as much gas heavy units for 2 minutes or if they are refusing battle for about 2 minutes. If you have the sense they are doing this, build turrets in advance of the tanks and retreat.
@TheBryceWade8 ай бұрын
@9:25 - As a lifelong Terran player, is extremely frustrating to watch Zerg run-bys.. ONE BUNKER w 2 FireBats at the front of Base and it's defended the WHOLE game. @artosis, please let Terrans know, Bunks are only 100 minerals but permanently end ling runbys.
@ublade828 ай бұрын
Midas forever left out of SKT "Dynasty"
@Big-E-TheBouncer8 ай бұрын
Could you cast some TvTs
@jphone92008 ай бұрын
the beginning of this game is how id imagine id play terran just to shut down muta bc theyre so powerful
@ThunderChickenBucket8 ай бұрын
Big_broodling_plays_are_my_love_language
@superdahoho8 ай бұрын
mechs now a days are just not the same. back during flash days they were unstoppable. queens get shot down before they could even cast the spell.
@jonahjameson2728 ай бұрын
Iradiate too cheap in energy cost the queens should be able to cast 2 spawn broodlings -- also iradiate is better. Also while were at it spawn broodlings should work on science vessels!
@McBillyBoy8 ай бұрын
His mistake was he stopped making valks in the late game, if he had a group of like 10 he could have won that. Also to stop getting the Air attack lv 2-3 was not smart either
@Mithras7198 ай бұрын
Logo!
@Mithras7198 ай бұрын
Also, crazy build. I wonder where the weakness is.
@NuclearCincy8 ай бұрын
Anyone else stay up to date on both StarCraft 1 and 2 🤔also I love that this community continues to keep this beautiful game alive . Shame the idea of a sc3 is a miracle shot but we will forever keep the originals alive
@MrTheQuestioner8 ай бұрын
Honestly at this point I wouldn’t trust Blizzard to make a good game if they made sc3. It would likely be a pay to win crypto hellscape
@kya68168 ай бұрын
Look what happened Diablo 4. I love to see sc3 but dont think its good 😢
@Parkento8 ай бұрын
Algoritimun, nihilum.
@TuEIite8 ай бұрын
Cool game.
@truxus33166 ай бұрын
Wasnt fantasy the " vulture terrorist"?
@TRYCLOPS18 ай бұрын
Missed Fantasy! As far as I understand his mech style was influenced by iLoveOovee, who was his coach/mentor. You can’t be excuse for casting a Fantasy game without mentioning Vulture Terrorist! Lol Anyway good Queen play but think that Fantasy should’ve kept his Valkyries alive during that timing attack. Also his choice of attack wasn’t the best . I think he would’ve had more success attacking the natural and third. His choice of expansion cost him as well, he should’ve gone with the 12oclock probably… but very exciting game. Can’t believe he defended well that doom drop with queens and mutas!
@nickcc30658 ай бұрын
Soma is unstoppable!
@visitante-pc5zc8 ай бұрын
Thank you
@nickcc30658 ай бұрын
youre welcome?@@visitante-pc5zc
@pointlessmanatee8 ай бұрын
not flash? REEEEEE
@Xsifilad8 ай бұрын
First time you see queens, start EMP, if you EMP queens there is no army.
@tl7638 ай бұрын
GG
@2slick4u.8 ай бұрын
Nasty
@-Nick-T8 ай бұрын
beans warm
@visitante-pc5zc8 ай бұрын
Yo Nick. How r u?
@aml77588 ай бұрын
How could Fantasy lose?
@assault4108 ай бұрын
If fantasy had better control of his valks I think he wins this 100% of the time
@cuiivy8 ай бұрын
comments shall not spoil the result plz
@spectator57098 ай бұрын
WHY is that science vessel not parasited yet?? WHY are those valks not parasited? I really don't get why pros don't use parasite more, it costs 75 energy and it's fucking awesome.
@hansonlee58478 ай бұрын
Spoilers: +3 air carapace is a cool strategy. Definitely gave those Queens more viability especially against +1 valks
@tine3078 ай бұрын
Not enough Valks
@2slick4u.8 ай бұрын
Not enough EMP on queens
@MrGwaih1r8 ай бұрын
Fantasy will destroy everybody in the next ASL he will be playing in....mark my words
@adamwood77438 ай бұрын
I love this channel, thanks Artosis! If you could please consider switching "Oh my God" with "Oh my gosh" then I can play these with the kids watching. Small request from one fan, I know...
@Kawencins8 ай бұрын
mech dont work vs zerg...
@Ziegfried828 ай бұрын
I've seen it beat several zerg players at the pro level. But it doesn't work well once a zerg manages to get 10+ queens out!
@martinbalke18438 ай бұрын
Fantasy would have definitely won but he was just a little sloppy with his units in the first ~10 minutes. Can tell he isn't quite at that super polished pro level because he's only doing it part time.
@amai23078 ай бұрын
You mean a little sloppy the whole game?
@jackymao21318 ай бұрын
Would you cast old jaedong vs flash games or just old OSL MSL games in general?
@skykur8 ай бұрын
spoiler having seen maybe 4-5 videos of late game Mech builds from Terran, none of them seem to be able to close the game out. The strategy seems flawed, having a very immobile army against Zerg seems like a big weakness. Once queens come out, its gg
@onprint48688 ай бұрын
Zerg must always do make Queens against Protoss, it could easily missup protoss offensive, and mixed with defilers that is just the perfect strategy.. why almost nobody do it? I dont know, maybe they love tobe stormed by protoss.. 🤷🏻🤷🏻
@amai23078 ай бұрын
Queens die easily to corsairs, and there is nothing zerg really can do to prevent it. Also Protoss is usually way more active on map so Zerg just does not have 3 free minutes to build up queen squad while drinking coffee.
@onprint48688 ай бұрын
@@amai2307 I guess that is a categoric answer, for sure this startegy has worked some time in history, not a lot of queens but just 3 or 4 to prevent, I mean not an entire strategy based on queens..
@amai23078 ай бұрын
@@onprint4868 that thing works well vs terran because of 2 things. 1) slow rate of tank production. 2) tanks cant attack queens. 3) tanks cost more than queens. All of this doesnt apply to protoss, at best Queens can make broodlings from templars or dragoons because both reavers and archons are immune to it. On top of it it is quite common to protoss to have observers and overall match up has more contact between players. Zerg doesnt have that many free time to sit back and hoard queens, protoss is more likely to feel that your ground forces are weak and just push onto your bases. And dont forget at fight itself it's common for protoss to have observers so even during battle itself protoss is likely to have better vision than terran.
@00Noontide6 ай бұрын
Gg
@TranscendentMusic18 ай бұрын
Stop mentioning spoilers about other tournaments/games in the video
@Dziaji8 ай бұрын
at 8:40, there was 1 sunken and some lings and hydras. All Fantasy had to do was stim and attack-move and win the game, but instead he walked away and let the zerg attack him and do massive damage.
@Atillarous8 ай бұрын
We can see that as observers but Fantasy can't see that. There might be 3 sunkens and 12 lings up that ramp and those dozen marines are literally all of Fantasy's map control, if he loses 3 or 4 of them probing up the ramp he might just get run over by the lings anyways. Why would he even risk the marines when he has 2 siege tanks on the way with siege mode that can easily bust the sunkens anyways. You might say he could scan but he needs to save his scans for that push in case he needs to see the high ground for tank fire or if he needs to reveal surprise lurkers. Soma's zerglings found the one weakness in what otherwise would have been a massive timing attack and deflected it.
@Dziaji8 ай бұрын
@@Atillarous it was too early for there to be completed lurks positioned and burrowed by the time he got there. If that was his reasoning, he would not even haven been that far out on the map, because the lurkers could be anywhere. Pros know these timings well so he would have known that, and he would have also known that the whole reason he was sending out those MM was to do damage as a timing attack. There is literally no reason to send out a terran army and do nothing with it and keep them out there when the timing window have passed.
@SirWtfcharles8 ай бұрын
Anti spoiler comment. Upvote plz
@stevengerrrard8 ай бұрын
: )
@greenwave8198 ай бұрын
let us take a look at the word "valkyrie" do we see any "O's" in there???
@JIu4Ho5 ай бұрын
Fantasy is knida bad with mech in TvZ :( Flash plays with mech against zerg so much better
@BeyondtheBreakz4 ай бұрын
Hahah fantasy is noob
@JohnSmith-rr8hp8 ай бұрын
So close, omg, it's annoying that Zerg has to have double the skills to beat the Terran, Terran units are too cost efficient and too imba and need a nerf: Blizzard, I mean Microsofot, need to hire me to: -- Siege tanks animation time increased to 10 seconds -- Siege tanks unsiege mode damage reduced by 50% -- Stim cost 20 HP -- Valks move 10% slower and have 20 reduced HP.
@amai23078 ай бұрын
Bro, are you aware that current balance is Zerg >= Terran > Protoss?
@JohnSmith-rr8hp8 ай бұрын
@@amai2307 never heard of it, and disagree. I think all the Terran players have inferior skills compared to Zerg and Protoss players. Terran can Irridiate all day on the zerg and siege the Protoss with minimal economy.