These gender wars are honestly starting to get annoying

I understand what Dee is saying and I understand what the guys are saying. However, if it's a group of 15 people and they already have a table reserved she should have been let in. The table is paid for and everyone who's a part of the party should be at the table. Discrimination in a superficial environment is understandable but, if I paid my good money my ugly homegirl is coming in. If it's a situation where we're all getting in for free and the bouncer chooses one of us to not go in then we'll all just go to a different place.

My only issue with the 2 guys is that they interject gender whataboutisms when responding to these women. "It happens to us, we deal with it and you should too". Trying to silence someone's issues because you choose to silently deal with them yourself, is not an approach I personally would take. It's like you validate and dismiss their point simultaneously. But I agree with the core argument of the dudes. Especially after I found out that the women weren't flat out denied entry but had to pay lol. But like you said Dee, if you have issues with the way someone runs their business, don't go.

Them two are starting to annoy me in these topics they cover. They used to be decent and look at things in everyone's picture but recently idk what is happening. They keep missing for me. Like an example they covered the thing when Nicki Minaj was ranting on twitter for her KZfaq video getting flagged. Her argument was about how there's many videos on KZfaq that are extremely worse but her video got automatically flagged. She wanted consistency in KZfaq policies. (As if you're a KZfaqr or watch them you know that's the main thing they complain about). Then they reviewed the topic and they didn't even do research on why she was mad or what she was saying. They just saw a black woman mad and talked how shes just complaining cuz she cant show her ass to"kids" and all this weird ass shit. They once again made it about gender wars then they started to talk about how small creators have it harder than her... when her whole argument was literally that. Recently they've been belittling women just to prove a point. Idk whats happening, respectfully saying, this feels like the straight men with podcast shit.

"What is the point of trying to squeeze yourself into those spaces"...Lol, and Dee wasn't even trying to be shady...

The gender talk getting olddddddd

I feel like they focused on the gender part a little too much but the whole setup of clubs is shallow anyway they want attractive women in the clubs to bring in men(money) and if you aren’t deemed attractive you won’t get in or at least not for free

Dee was speaking facts at the end tho 💯

I don’t think people understand this shouldn’t have happen at all, no one should be turned away for their size or looks. No one should be judged in such whatsoever if even at all, these dudes need to shut the hell up. Those in the comments talking about there being a standard beauty and that there are ugly people can go to hell, respectfully.. This shit shouldn’t even have to be discussed, to be respected is almost to much to ask for, even when all your trying to do is just enjoy life.🤦🏽‍♂️

The gender thing wasn’t irrelevant its the fact that they’re complaining about not getting in for free while guys have to pay to get in and pay for not only their drinks but the women they want drinks too

I got denied in a Dallas club for wearing forces one time😂😂 just went to the next club with no problems & didn’t complain about it. I wonder if ppl ever feel stupid sometimes for posting L’s online. Just move on & go somewhere else

Completely agree with what you said at the end. Like some people say, vote with your dollar. If you don't like a company then don't go there or spend money on them.

I’m tired of the gender war to Dee, I feel you! But yeah the guys are right, we really need to stop telling women, and (some men) that they are 10’s no matter what. It’s not true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder yes, but also we all know the basic standards of what is typically seen as attractive, and being fat isn’t one of them. People need to be more honest with themselves. EDIT:​ It is unnatural for the human body to be fat, and for the record when I say fat I don’t mean a bit chubby or slightly overweight I’m talking obese. It is 100% a basic beauty standard recognized all over the world! Name one sex symbol who is fat. Name one! Yeah there my be SOME people who like it, but those people are outliners. They are an EXCEPTION, not the norm. I’ve been alive for 28 years, and in all my years I have YET to see being fat considered hot. I’ve seen big butts come and go. Big tits come and go. Big lips come and go. Big eyes come and go, but yet never a big stomach come and go. This isn’t helping anyone. Y’all need to stop lying to yourselves. If those girls where the BASIC standard of beauty, they would of gotten in that club. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s how the world is. We judge people based on looks everyday! Just like the man said, when it doesn’t benefit you now you wanna throw a fit about it 🙄

Man in the red was annoying after. Aslo women CAN go to the club without men but WHY would we refuse better treatment if men just wanna let us in for free and buy us drinks?? Men literally uphold those standards.

It doesn't need to turn into a gender war to acknowledge there are certain benefits that are exclusive or overwhelmingly geared towards men or women that's just a fact though I don't disagree with your take however getting into a club free(that wasn't already free to begin with) is not something 95% of men can relate to.

I hate how big red really trying to put blame on women for men buying them drinks.

Playback’s point I think was the bigger issue of how some woman feel entitled to get in because of their gender, but in reality it doesn’t happen all the time and in this case it’s other factors why they weren’t let in. I agree with them!!

i use to finesse my way into clubs with my “attractive” female friends because so many clubs would try to charge me to get in. I would tell the bouncers to let me in for free or my girlfriends were leaving with me and 9/10 they would. Plus i’m gay so i wasn’t competition for the other dudes. Idk. Club culture is wack as a whole for the most part

this why i don’t go to clubs period . clubs are boring as hell to me anyways 😭😭

I agree all Mfs be talking about is gender shit like God damn it’s tiring everything is stale asf now.

Hmm they made some points but overall these dudes are mad annoying. I'm glad that you gave more context for the situation being from California, Dee.

Yesss, Dee speaking facts at the end. Even me as a gay man, I’ve gotten into clubs for free sometimes and have been told I had to pay some places on too. Of course, being that I am still a man it’s a very different experience. There’s a lot of “exclusivity” when it comes to the club scene, certain clubs got their specific look so for these girls to throw a hissy fit as if it’s this “new thing” is stupid like this ain’t new. I wanna feel bad for them too but cmon y’all shoulda been knew what was up in this world.

Damn this is soo wild to me. I didn't know this could happen cause I've never really heard about it in my country no matter how 'exclusive' the place is.

clubs are businesses that hold the right to refuse service to anyone they please. dee was 100% right about everything she said.

You are so right. To be honest, in my experience going to nightclubs in LA, Vegas and Miami, clubs seem to discriminate more when it comes to race. Vegas of all places seemed to be the most white in the VIP sections. And the party buses in Miami were almost exclusively white women. The ratio is insane

In the club business, gender plays a role whether folks want to say its irrelevant or not. Certain things women can do, men can't depending on the circumstance, such as the ratio of people and what different groups mean when it comes to payment. In this case, a group of 15 girls at a table for that specific night may have meant that the "worst looking girls" were a liability when it came to that night's profits. Maybe in that night, there wasn't enough dudes to cover or make $$$ off the larger population of women that night. Hence why the bounce as like #NOTTONIGHT It's shallow but this is how the club scene is. If it wasn't their weight, it could've been there race or height, which would've brought in other factors which I'm sure most folks wouldn't entertain or make excuses for (This is in regards to people saying that their gender doesn't matter...it does). Bottom line is, it sucks and its gross, but what do you expect at a vanity cesspool like a Los Angeles nightclub where plenty of women go in with the understanding that they will get certain treatment for free and where plenty of men understand that they will have to compete, pay, and finesse their way to try to pull in chicks who are all doing the same routine in order to get some. That's the "game". Wanna change it, then don't play it. Take your time and money in a bar or some other spot where men and women can enjoy each other and pay for their own shit with less of the bullshit thrown in.

That man in red looks just hurt why is he even making this about gender I mean I get it that is a problem but that wasn’t even the point

Consistency Dee in the building

This definitely not a gender issue because men with money are definitely getting in for free. Bouncer made a personal/business decision based off their appearance which is a form of discrimination but you can’t necessarily prove that because that’s an underlying business standard. That’s it that’s all…they didn’t have to make a big deal about it doe unless they paid for a table already.

I mean, it’s a superficial setting anyway that I wouldn’t kick up a fuss to this degree but I definitely would leave the spot with my whole group and demand a refund. Some bouncers just too cocky when they just look like a thumb with muscles.

Big girls need love too , yall😭😭😭

Not sure how the gender part is irrelevant. It's always been known, guys who don't bring hot girls don't get in. Hot girls always get in. If you're a bigger girl, you might not get in depending on the night. That's just how clubs work. The have limited capacity and have say so over who enters. Right or wrong, this isn't new and those ladies are definitely overreacting. Real life ain't fair.

so why didn't they call their "friends" to come to the front and let them in ???

I don't always agree with these guys. Sometimes their "points" are not relevant.

Whenever I see those two in the corner, I don't even wanna listen. I just support Dee. Cause these two men, smh. Edit: this is a prime example of why you can't have a conversation with cismen but please enjoy and add more to this...whatever this is

I used to like them but LATLEY LMAOO dude in red been gettin in my nerves 🤣

By law, businesses "reserve the right to refuse services to anyone"

Facts are facts, that’s how clubs operate

lmao these guys are so annoying. they were trash in the other reaction too

Where are they getting the free part (they said they were invited meaning probably already paid for) they sound bitter

Lol dee had them girls back wen they played victim. But she saw more evidence and was like "girl " hahahah lol

So what clubs be like that its a private property

True I agree clubs is a business and they can run it how they want. If the club won’t let you in go somewhere else. Wait they charged you $20 and let you in atleast they let you in after you paid Lol $20 Isn’t a bad cover charge for an LA club

Dee… I’m fuckin DEEEEEEAAAAAAAAADDDDD!!! Not “trying to squeeze yourself into spaces”!!! 🤣🤣🤣 I know you didn’t mean anything by it, but I laughed SO hard. Good Lordt. 😭😭😭

Personally never understood why people went clubbing because I was like okay it's a hot sweaty gross environment with people who will more than likely try to roof for you so I never understood the appeal of going to those places when you could where do we just stay home eat good food and play music But the fact that there's a lot of colorism and racism and with this video fat phobia there too I'm like what is so good about clothes that you would deal with this type of stuff And now whole entire it is what it is and that's the nature of it mentality is always dumb if we just had that mentality for racism and every other form of discrimination we would still be in the exact same place that we are out of today like if something is bad you should fix it just because something is a certain way doesn't mean it has to stay that way And I'm going to be very blunt very real if they want to complain about it they can they don't have to be nice or be quiet whatsoever if they didn't enjoy the service if they didn't enjoy the club if they noticed there was a consistent problem they can talk about it don't have problems and people won't have nothing to complain about

They'll complain about women who speak out and then make it about themselves and talk about how it's worse for men. How are they going to internalize their problems but when women say something they bring up all that internalized baggage and dump it on us and tell us we're wrong for using our voices.

I’m still stuck on the “Raw-cism” lol I’ve never heard someone say it like that 😂

I’m so untitled 😂😂😂 gemme gemmme gemmme 😂😂🎉🎉🎉it’s all ok until it happens to meeeeee! I’m going to protest that everyone gets in for free and get free drinks all night or else 😢😢😢!

People think this treatment is exclusive to heavy set people. But people get fucked over by clubs all the time even when they have a table (happened to my friends a while ago inn Boston), this is nothing new. People need to get over this idea of thinking things only happen to them

I’m sorry, their take is not it. Why are they making this about gender?

Does anyone know if it was ever mentioned that they were trying to get in free or that they didn’t pay? Because I feel like their entire argument hinges on that and I can’t find a single bit of evidence that that was the situation

Here we gooooooo😂😂😂

never seen a big man do something like this

It’s kinda fair tho, the club is all about attractiveness. So ofc they let the pretty girls in and not the big girls.

Good clubs can't let obese people inside. It ruins their offering

Love the thumbnail Dee ☠️

Clubs are lame.

Keeping it real... AMEN

Simple fix everybody must pay to get in I'll see you in the paying line ladies

Where's the link to these guys channel?

Dee was giving very much blackteablog with that voice over 🤣😅❤️

She talking ish about these big girls then hit us with the whole “I got discriminated over my race” bs 🤯

I stopped 1 minute in when watching their video but Imma watch all of this Edit: I didnt know yall do all this when it comes to clubs lol omg

Before i even get way deep into the video, Im fairly attracted to girls who are moderately bigger. Im not about to call these girls "lazy" or "dumb" or whatever other names, but it's 2022, If you girls have a problem with being disrespected, discriminated against, etc. just lose the weight. If you don't want to work out, we have dope doctors that can do that shit for you. You are not bound to being overweight; it is very well something you can change for yourself.

I'm shocked asf dee agreed with this bs they have a semi point but they worded it like shit and they know they can stand up for themselves especially in 2022 women don't owe them shit 🤦🏽‍♀️

I'm sure they weren't fighting for other people until it happened to them, Now They are advocates for all people who can't get in cause Of their weight issue

My thing is how are u supposed to “fight” for people who won’t fight for themselves, if guys feel like they’re getting cheated or treated like shit, then why don’t y’all fight for yourselves and speak up for yourselves, if y’all have accepted that being forced to pay extra is the norm then why should women waste their time fighting for y’all , if u feel like you’ve been wronged do something about it and that’s exactly what those girls did so power to them

I understand what your saying about the gender war but I think we need to take into account their audience which is primarily men and that is the first thing a man would think after seeing that because of the experience of the overwhelming majority of men when going to the club even if you're very good looking, and have money. So I don't think it's a matter of a gender war but rather just the neutral thought prices. Or maybe I'm wrong

Devil's Advocate...if they were disabled or a POC and the bouncer made that judgment, would their view be the same.

We are giving them way too much of a voice for not letting in two belugas

These guys are mostly incorrect; they are justifying discrimination for so-called imperfect women. I was going to the clubs from the late 1980s through mid-2000s and it is a practice that generally is designed to create a particular image so it attracts a particular crowd and hence is considered "Exclusive". The best thing is not to support these places. It's sad that a woman cannot enjoy a night out and risk not even being allowed to go into a club because of looks/size. To be clear, this mostly happens to women at these clubs.

12:10 they just sound hurt at this point. The goal is to get the men to spend more money and women are key to that. Some clubs do have standards yea. However, if they can see a dude is not bout to spend money, why let them in? Sounds like they've been denied too many times for their ego and is content seeing it happen to other people. Like the bullied finally seeing the bully get bullied too

You: Don't make this a woman thing Me: It damn sure ain't a man thing LMAO 🤣

we have to PAY to get in. imagine that girlfriends

Have to side with the Club on this.

Gurrrl. If they don’t let you in, then oh well. Why would you wna spend money in a place that wouldn’t wna let you in?! So stupid, go somewhere else. Easy solution.

I would sue that bouncer and the club owner.

Gender is super relevant to this 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Owners want the club to make money. Good looking girls attract wealthy men. Pretty simple.

If you lose 150 lbs you will no longer be tired.

This is def a gender thing because most men understand a bouncers job is to discriminate. And there’s a reason why only women were complaining, when they do the same thing to men all the time.

She came with 15 people and none of her “friends” complained about that u mad at the wrong people 💯🤷🏽‍♂️ if yo 15 pretty friends a be at the door complaining they letting u in

Ngl- i used to like playback, but they’ve been having some bad takes lately…

It’s sad cuz my wife doesn’t have the best body. But she wants to look good. So she exercises. She’s pregnant she knows when she has the baby she gotta drop that weight. And she want to be healthy but also she wants to look good for me. And I wanna look good for her. So if I tell her bae I need to loose weight. She will say ok babe what I need to do and I will instruct her since I’m more familiar with exercising. She would follow my lead. And I adore her for it. She gets all of me because she knows when to listen. Nothings ever 50/50. She gets 100 percent of me and I expect 100 percent of her.

lol dee thumbnail i cannot

They glazed over the point on purpose just to put themselves in the right and ion like that...

What happened to the other 15 or whatever friends ijs

These type of videos always have an agenda to make certain demographics look bad I’m tired of them but somehow they get so many views

Points were made, but bringing up Jim Crow era bus discrimination was dumb as fuck. These people who couldn’t even afford a car just wanted to have a way to work. And those boycotts were the spark of so many advancements in civil rights so it did turn out to be more than just “fighting to ride on the back of the bus”. I’m guessing these guys mobilize to effect changes in their community all the time. Sorry poor Black people didn’t fight to completely dismantle for these guys liking.

so if it was a big deal wtf yall friends leave yall out there

If you are not a hot woman, you are treated like a man. You might come in and you might not.

I’m still confused as to why these girls are mad? They didn’t fit the criteria. Happens to people all the time. The real issue is, they got their feelings hurt and they have a big social media microphone and are trying to hurt the club in the same way they were hurt. Childish. Selfish. Entitled. Narcissistic behavior. Get over yourself ladies. You aren’t special and you just found out the hard way. Von Miller, Michael B Jordan, lots of “beautiful” people get denied access all the time. You don’t see them trying to make bouncers go through sensitivity training?!? Lmao

Plus sized guys need to get in free also, why is there discrimination for plus sized guys why is this specifically for plus sized women there are pluys sized men who have never gotten into the club for free.

Gender war is still valid tho ya don’t wanna talk bout wat men go through but as soon as something doesn’t go ur way ya get tight if u wanna b equal then don’t complain when ya are

But it is about gender we talking about clubs here lol

I hatr th gender war . But the guys are right its somewhat of a woman thing .if its free its about to be on looks simple

They lost me as soon as they started comparing women with men

That's so ridiculous!! Both of them, the guys and the girls, don't apreciate when they're put in this situation but the girls decided to talk about it, and the guys didnt. *SO THE GUYS DECIDED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE GIRLS ARE COMPLAINING.* 😂😂 They basically share they same opinion but they're mad that the girls are being vocal about it. If you ask me, these boys are the entitled ones, not the chicks.

It’s nowhere near shallow to hold someone or anyone to a weight, height, style, class, financial and intellectual standard, for your establishment.

The dude in the red is right. If it not working for u ur mad but for anybody else u don't care