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true indeed....the advances we hve in aviation is from their deaths that caused changes in the industry. The price we pay....

I always Pray and ask the Most High God in Christ to be the pilot and co-pilot of our plane, getting us to and from our destination safely without hurt, harm or danger in Jesus Mighty Name. Amen.

@@linda_smilesrfree2744 Amen to that! Praise Lord Yeshua!

@Hhu Bhgy Great!

So true :(

Exactly my thoughts!, I was hoping for it not to happen!.

@@JPMongeS Yes

YES

Me too! 😫💔

I know, I’ve often thought that myself. What are the chances?

@@brettbanta2100 ikr!!

Definitely a very small chance.. But unfortunately it has happened.. Especially since they normally fly at the same altitude

Love your Gus Fring profile pic. It reminds me of the show he’s in. You know, the show that has midair collision in the end of season 2 because some bald dude let a girl overdosed to death.

I hate flying

My God.

The butterfly effect is a crazy thing for sure

At Bergamo, DHL pilots would just wait 2 seconds longer than in real life for some ATC response and nothing else would change lol

Lol or if the pilot was like let me drain the lizard before we take off.

Frodo: 'It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance.' Gandalf: 'Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.' Frodo: 'I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.' Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought. J.R.R. Tolkien

I was surprised that neither pilot communicated their TCAS status to ATC.

@@JasonHaines1974 DHL did, but controller can't hear them

What also made it worse was there was only one controller at the time

@@sooners2037 worse yet, there were 4 planes in the sky and the controller put 2 at the same level.

@@christophertstone there is actually a much better video on this that shows the investigation etc .. more info available showing not only the tragic side but how it made changes in aviation. For this being a 2021 breakdown video I'm disappointed. Unless your just looking to skim info then this fills that need. Otherwise ....

The mass murderer in factwas Nielsen, the Swiss "controller." He only got at the end what he had meted out to others previously.

@@frankfarago2825 Absolutely ridiculous and asinine statement. Nielsen was put in a situation which was severely safety compromised due to incompetent management. He should have NEVER been forced to handle double the workload AND without a functioning phone line. Whoever decided that was sufficient should have been prosecuted. And Mr. Nielsen should still be alive, along with everyone onboard both flights.

@@CoDWiiPS3Gameplay That Russian man who murdered Nielsen also needed to be brought up on charges.

@@piercehawke8021 yes, I completely agree as well

Swiss efficiency my arse

the man lost his wife n two kids. his revenge was fair n justified.

@@driver4011 revenge is mine, saith the Lord.

@@driver4011 Did the revenge return him the wife and two kids?

@@hpyrkh3 doesn’t matter. An eye for an eye

@@hpyrkh3 It's easy to say that revenge is valueless when you haven't lost your entire livelihood and family, your entire future, everything you've worked towards because of someone whose negligence allowed that to happen. Someone who received zero punishment for their actions and would continue to live their life happy and amongst their own family. I don't think what he did was "heroic" as ppl in his hometown would describe it, but I definitely do not blame him for what he did and I'm glad he didn't have to spend the rest of his life in prison.

Ur 100% right

I mean he had nothing left to loose so he just killed a man, and whats worse he was a ftaher and whats even worse he killed him in front of his family, Brainwashed Idiot, it was not ATC fault

@WORLD OF AVIATION you are right!

Stress really does stuff to people, It's not the ATC's fault. Unfortunately the dad was blindsided by grief and misdirection. I'm talking about the ATC guy btw, the 2nd sentence refers to the dad.

100% Agreed!

And to obey TCAS

Indeed

Thank you sir

Okay, RADIOACTIVEBUNNY 😂

Listen to the system not the sabotaging ATC

Человек должен отвечать за поступки. Кавказ не прощает тех, кто не извиняется

​@@user-ws4tq5xg1z Damn animals.

​@@user-ws4tq5xg1zso you do not care that he was the only one on his shift and that he was doing the work that more than one person should have done? People like you simply don't care.

@@user-ws4tq5xg1z It didn't happen in the Caucasus.

Oh well, he thought only about himse,f recovering, BUT not once did he thought about how was the other russian man going through. So Nielsen THOUGHT he was going to be ok until he was not.

Most terrifying 🌹

I can only provide some small solace here, but as someone who did something called a human slingshot that was 300m high, when you are rapidly flying through the air like that, you have no idea what is happening to you and no time to catch up. There is always a slight delay between your senses acknowledging something and it actually happening. Falling would have been a windy and confusing experience; the very millisecond they hit the ground, nothing else was known by them.

Falling fast would probably make you fall unconscious

If I was there I would be very nervous, but most importantly, ready to meet God, convicted that my time had come.

RIP 🙏 what a tragic accident

A plane filled mostly with children just shatters my heart💔💔💔💔😭😭😭😭

@@rethablair6902 right😕

And think about all those videos that dont exist but almost did because something actually went right

@@6z0 this is what I was thinking, would love to know about all the near misses because someone somewhere made the right decision, but those (usually) naturally don't get recorded and investigated

@@namedjavelin3932 Near misses *always* get recorded, but not always investigated. Even rarer for videos to be made on them. But there are a few videos on this channel about near misses.

Aftermath movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger is based on this..very tragic story..🎥😢

He also played the husband of one of the workers in the movie "Pushing tin" which is about air traffic controllers.

It's amazing how many people seem to think planes are just up there freestyling. There are literally flight corridors (highways in the sky) between every destination.

Is it.. I thought it was authentic, as it was posted on the chillouts cvr recordings channel..

Its Okay man!😊 Appreciate ur hard work

Wait so THERE IS NO CVR OF BASHKIRIAN 2937

I can not find cvr from DHX 611...

@lalruatfela hrahsel it instead landed outside of the town while some parts of both planes fell into some streets

For sure

That's right, Just make sure that those chills are not multiplying because we don't want you losing control.

Yes, much more effective. I understand why there isn't, but I wish their was audio in all of TFC's awesome videos.

its not real it just a recreation

@@aishnooma8469 wrong actually

No, he was unhinged to begin with. Why murder someone who clearly had no control over the situation? It certainly did not bring his loved ones back.

He killed someone who had a family of his own

@@Tori-di2cf balanced as all things should be

@@agaXM Considering one thing was human error and the other was cold blooded murder - I think now

@@LawnBunny777 it is balanced, you cause the lost of someone family then you need to lose your family in return so it's balanced

Very unlikely. Very very unlikely. But because commercial planes travel on predetermined routes that are kinda like "highways" on the sky, means its more possible than people think. Thats why air control needs to do their job correctly.

@@Benji-jj2bg This needs to change. There should be assigned paths and other flights in that path should be notified. So the pilots can respond to alerts quickly and without needing the confirmation of controller.

Well there is multiple variables to it.. Most planes of their size fly at the same height.. They were from two different countries listening to two different operations of communications getting two different instructions.. Unfortunately that ended up being the issue.. There was no singular form to communicate

The reality is that there are close calls every year, but we never hear about them because they don't actually collide.

Could’ve also very easily changed their speed. Simple maths, dunno why those pilots still wanted to risk it as if being a few minutes late on arrival is a death sentence.

What happens if TCAS gets an error?

@@arisnovisantoso4785 then have to switch to controllers and have to believe them.

Yes. TCAS priority since this accident. (Like probably you, I learned about TCAS becoming priority (over distant ATC) from other Air Crash videos, incl by The Flight Channel.)

So what if there is a difference of opinion between TCAS and ATC? TCAS tells the pilot to go up and ATC order to get down from a height, So which one should the pilot obey? Meanwhile the pilot doesn't know who is right and wrong, TCAS or Controller(Did the controller make a mistake or the aircraft TCAS got it error) 🤷🤷 Humans must have made mistakes, and airplane instruments must also have experienced errors, such as the GPWS not working, Autopilot, damaged and others.

@@arisnovisantoso4785 TCAS should have been priority because it was directly monitoring both planes and issuing flight paths that made collision impossible. It is coded so that it can't tell both planes to descend or climb together. That's why it's priority now, because it actively monitors both and issues avoidance commands. If the pilots of both flights had listened to it and given it priority--more crucial since it only activates when a collision is likely or imminent--then everything would have been fine.

I think blame is necessary. Otherwise how would we identify a way to improve? The pilot that didn't listen to his plane, and the controller who didn't properly assess the situation. Yes of course he shouldn't have had to do this on his own, which is his company's fault, but if you think about it, he made the situation worse by providing false information and giving incorrect instructions. It was definitely more than one person's fault, but nonetheless it's important to look at their mistakes so the Aviation world can learn from them.

Something same happened with Saudi Flight.

yea I havent seen one this gut wrenching in a while. wow

I agree, ...also adding insult; one Swiss asleep at the control tower against regulations another Swiss giving incorrect verbal data to the Russian plane, then Swiss SkyGuide officially blaming the Russians, ...then Swiss court giving ridiculously light and suspended sentences, ...and people here (Swiss? or other Germanics or Anglo-Germanics) watching this video still blaming the guy who took revenge.

It might be a tumor bro, should get it checked out

Yep.. 4 sure.

Amen.

FOR REAL!!MMMMM

@@suspicionofdeceit Another lesson learned is the TCA's need to get their act together.

TCAS either works correctly or not at all?

Yep

Yeah this and along with Air Alaska flight 261

@@irvancrocs1753 IMO Air Alaska 261 is the saddest and most heart wrenching accident I've seen on this channel so far but this one is horrible also.

A major incident in the history of aviation

This accident & Air France 447 are the scariest ones to me. After I seen each episode on Air Crash Investigation, the sadness stayed with me for a very long time.😔

The Air crash investigation series, for this flight, is the most saddest episode/flight I have ever seen.

This already having Netflix

Yeah...you're watching it

No need for this stuff to last 20 minutes

Stupid post almost like there’s a show called air disasters on the smithsonaian channel. People just watch this because it’s free

No. Stop saying that in every video. Netflix would include LGBT community in it and that would be ridiculous.

So true !

Wait hold the man who was the only one on atc got murdered?

@@MaxHumphreysMaxHumphreys One of the people who lost their daughter in the crash became enraged and tracked down the controller who was on duty that night, and killed him in front of his family.

he still worked until his time of death just in another position. not actual atc anymore

Τhose 6 last minutes of flight seemed like 6 centuries to them, knowing death was inevitable....

Thanks, I looked that one up and TFC covered it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7xdgbiD0cCUepc.html

If the DHL pilot did that maneuver, the collision would have been avoided, and no one whould have been injured because it's the pilots strapped into their seats, and the cargo

Can u tell the flight number once

@@lmao_ok2539 Japan Airlines Flight 907 and Japan Airlines Flight 958

​ @The Aircraft Nerd You have to also remember that cargo aircraft have a particular risk ( and in some ways greater ) compared to passenger types. Cargo is normally carefully recorded, monitored and strapped down so that it can't move within the airframe. Added to this, the plane's centre of gravity is calculated and other calculations then depend on this for safe flight operation. During a sudden, violent manoeuvre, however, there is always the very slim chance that cargo will move, affecting the COG. When this happens, the degree to which the COG is changed could also affect the flight configuration, meaning that the aircraft may or may not continue to stay in the air. So much may then rely upon the skill of the flight crew. This is what happened with the 2013 Bagram 747 crash, but in that case there was nothing that the crew could do to avert disaster.

More than one body was intact. I was part of the first responders from the voluntary firefighters in Meersburg. Yes, the tragic about this was that the bus driver took the wrong route to the airport and the flight was delayed by one day. Otherwise that would have never happened. Sometimes delays and not getting on a plane saved lives (like in 9/11) but this time it was costly.

Yep The children were supposed to go on a different flight but then the agent accidentally send them to the wrong airport and were supposed to wait for a few days.

Which documentary did u watch

The wretched man was waiting for his family in Barcelona Airport. I just can’t imagine his despair.

@@Interdictiondeltawing Your right

It wasn't just one thing but a collection of faults all happening at the same time.

*peace

what a chilling comment, really makes you think

Things is, it's never one something. In order for this things to happen, a number of things must go wrong. The understaffed ATC, the equipment out for mantainance that would've alerted the controller to the danger, the decision of one of the pilots to follow ATC instructions instead of their TCAS...If you have one of those things happen, the accident would probably be avoided. But everything adds up in this cases.

Worst than a serial killers...

My non-mom heart is broken! May they all rest in peace 💔

The architect who murdered the ATC guy did about 3 years in swiss prison and then was released and he returned to Russia.

@popo3365 There are anti collision systems on planes

@lalruatfela hrahsel Nope to use parachutes you need to be trained in them and unfortunately it can't be trained during preflight announcements etc so parachutes aren't used in civilian planes. There's lifejacket tho incase a plane crashses on a water body

@lalruatfela hrahsel Not entirely sure but i don't think they can

lets not forget that even the tcas warning would already put you in some sort of fear because the system is designed to avoid colissions so if its warning non stop like that its because its thinking it will collide and then a few time later u see visually the plane, must make it even worse or think you did not follow tcas correctly or something.

This situation is all in all terrible and RIP for everyone including Nielson. It's just a tragedy; Kalove, who killed Nielson lost wifie and 2 children in this crash; but the reason he killed Nielson was that nobody actually "paid" for this. Nobody, was imprisoned, nobody was really prosecuted, family of perished Russians received I don't remember... something 30 or 40k $$$ and appoogy. Kaloev killed Nielsen 2 years after the catastrophe i.e. he waited "enough" seeing nobody is "responsible" and wanted somebody "paying" for this. I am not on Kaloev side I just added to your comment... My condolences for all perished and their relatives who went and still going thru this horror including Nielsen's family

@@Leo-qd7ih The company should have paid. I get his frustration. Those people in the sky were seen as worthless to the company. Poor management.

@@kindheart6411 exactly, its primarily the company's fault

No mistakes here. Lots of NEGLIGENCE. Normalisation of Deviance in a lot of ways. Still, RIP to all those lost.

There was legitimate blame. Not deliberate but negligent.

Everyone ignores your comment and immediately goes to blaming people underneath it lmao

@gargy2002 The Skyline company, likely for short term profits, mis-did their management: Only 1 active Controller for too big an area, and per management negligence: back up Controller allowed to sleep --against company policy and endangering lives. And: Controller not informed a key instrument for him was down: The Ground Radar that would have alerted him to the impending collision, in time to avoid it. There's a reason these kinds of accidents don't happen that often: =Other managers support their Controllers and maintain proper (if still pushed) Controller responsibility loads and supports. Plus, the pilots at the time werenot instructed to "Do what the TCAS says, priority." Now I think pilots are.

yes .

Ditto... 😢

Quite understandable. I've heard of this incident, but I had no idea about the murder of the controller in front of his family, by the heartsick man who lost his family in the crash. Utterly devastating.😢

😢🙏

Real men always cry! Without that you would not be human!

Lolz, I just landed in my home country after going on a 5 flights in 10days spree. I always avoid these videos a month to flying. Once I’m back, I resume

I always have to remind myself that, statistically speaking, I am more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the airport than in a plane wreck. Also more likely to be struck by lightning or eaten by a shark.

🤣🤣🤣 oh gosh! I was thinking just that!

Me too!

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@Ray Wagner Can you tell us a little about Brant? Thanks

@@watershed44 I did not know Brant personally. My friend's sister and Brant were moved to Bahrain by the time I met the family. I know he was very well liked, respected and loved as a husband, son in law and brother in law. It was incredibly hard on the family during the investigations due to the initial finger pointing. As you all know from what happened later, the fear of repercussion was resonant and later played out. A horrible outcome to a horrible event.

@@raywagner8016 Thanks for following up..

Hopefully everyone is at peace now🙏. Can't beleive but talking to someone so close to them makes me feel weird .

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Except Nielsen, his family, and his whole fricking generation.

@@dipanwitamandal7289 What cause he was unaware of somthing im highly guessing he didnt do?

@@ashtonwittmaier312 he should’ve known he couldn’t handle all those tasks on his own he’s trying to do 10 things at once Jesus Christ he’s got people life’s in his hands

@@itbelikethat- it's management's fault that they let his colleague sleep on the job. That's why they were prosecuted.

@@dipanwitamandal7289 They didnt had anything to do with the crash, even if you are pro-Vitaly in this case, you should know that they were the least deserving to get killed about all of this

@@dipanwitamandal7289 No-one deserved to die!! What an awful comment.

@@dipanwitamandal7289 for what reason? Did they do any wrong doing? Even ATC didn't deserve to die, he wasn't aware of the TCAS suggestion. It's tragic. What about russian pilot who decended instead of being suggested to climb? What about his family? Should they also be murdered too coz their dad didn't follow TCAS suggestion? That's more relevant than ATC family.

@@mayTK i thought it was made perfectly clear that the pilot was following the atc's suggestions. so it shd clear him of any wrongdoing

@@eduarddv00 mistakes were made on both sides, miscomunnication being the foremost, its very easy to blame it all on one person isn't it?

About this tragedy after 20 years kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdKardWW3JOpgH0.html

100%!

Merely copied others

Agreed! Incredible work.

💯

@@kennethwilburn Copied

Yes. And i can understand russian engineer. Of course its not helping, but i can understand,

Yep, Human Factors for real!!!

Well, Russian regulations need revision. If you have millions of dollars in equipment, devices, and sensors that are telling you something is wrong, it is unwise to ignore it just because you are not legally obligated by your country's regulations

@@vividvault9285 It's about not trusting those "millions of dollars in equipment". Humans are still piloting, cause they are another failsafe. Whom to trust is a big question.

@@vividvault9285 you dont know anything about Russians, than.

Was not it similiar with Germanwings 9525?

so sad 😭

Happened on 9/11 too the plane that hit the pentagon had a group of unaccompanied minors on board on a school trip for something ( I cant remember I want to say a spelling bee or something) I just keep imagining being their parents knowing they probably were crying for you and there was nothing you could do "Three of them were 11-year-old 6th graders traveling with their teachers to California for a special trip awarded to them by National Geographic"

The only "good" thing about it was that the end was quick. The kids did not suffer. It's still profoundly sad.

The kids on the Sewol ferry in South Korea can totally relate.

HA!!!! And what about the grief stricken russian dad?!?! He didn't get any help!! Where was help for the russian man??

i welcome any and all comment,s , as a private pilot , im only certified to fly 4 types of aircraft, my first lesson was in a cessna 152, then i moved on to a slightly larger plane the skyhawk cessna 172, again having a desire to try different aircraft, i flew the beech sundowner, , which had retractable gear, carried 6 passenger,s plus a co-pilot, and finally a cessna 310 twin , to get my instrument rating, and my multi engine rating as well , the 310 twin has 2 engines ,one on each wing, anyhow, i got to wondering, and asked my co-pilot, what would happen if all my instrument,s failed ? i mean im instrument rated, but what is one to do if his or her,s instruments all fail ? he had no answer, i told him, back when i was flying with my dad, many year,s ago he would let me take the yoke and fly his plane, which was a piper cherokee 180, fixed gear airplane , it was a pretty nice plane, i think i was about 7 or 8 yrs old , at the time dad let me fly his plane, the very FIRST THING I NOTICED , i could FEEL what the plane was doing, i didnt need to look at my instrument,s , i didnt know what any of them meant anyhow,lol, so Dad said to me push the yoke in , i did, Dad ask,s me, whats the plane doing son ? i said , its going down, he asked me how do you know this ? i answered, i can FEEL a dropping sensation , he then asked me to pull back on the yoke, dad said ,whats it doing now, i said , it FEELS like its going up, and so on he had me experience every aspect or function of the plane, i used the yoke, the rudder pedal,s the flap,s and the aileron,s without knowing a damn thing about instrument,s i could FEEL everything the plane did or acted, one time while we were flying at night, thats the one time he got me , meaning, i knew how to use all the mechcanic,s of the plane, or i should say all the steering component,s ,plus i used the throttle , and carb heat and the ignition key to check the mag,s we did that on the ground, you check the left, then the right, back to both, check your fuel selector, and master switch, he taught me everything about his 180, by the time i was 15 i was flying without a lic. but he didnt seem to care ,lol, i didnt either,lol, but he told me , your a natural at this, good boy, but the time we went flying at night, we fly way out over the bay past the bay bridge, where there,s no light,s of any kind, or ground light,s to see the ground, i did look over at the altimeter to see how high we were, he said , what are you doing, i said, i dont know how high we are , now, had my instruments failed at night, with no way of seeing the ground, i had absolutely no idea as to how high or low the plane was, that was a very scary flight, pitch black, no light,s cant see the ground, and no altimeter, oh shit, now what ?? lol, okay, he told me to take out my quick reference hand book, i looked up area airport,s with radar, tuned my radio , and turned on my battery operated transponder, sqawked 122.32 , and asked the ATC , whats my altitude , this is November 77011 , requesting altitude , the ATC, came back and gave me my location ,heading and altitude, and air speed, of course this was a test to see how i would handle a situation like this, flying at night , no instrument,s , cant see the ground, nor any beacon,s or an ILS approach, but having complete failure , a ILS approach is out of the question, the ATC guided me to a local airport, and the runway lit up like a christmas tree ,lol, what an experience,lol, ive been flying as a private pilot with a LIC. lol, since 1991 , and bought a used stationair II , retractable , fully loaded, dual nav. all the bell,s and whistles , flying can be a wonderful fun thing people can enjoy, thing is, and i always tell myself this before each and every flight, expect, the unexpected, oh and , the runway behind you isnt doing you a damn bit of good, lol, until your wheel,s are firmly on the ground, your not down, nor can you begin to apply your brakes, but more over, have a blast, lol, Sincerely, W.H.W. 2-15-23 flying is fun, !!!

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I hate these comments. I go to the comment section for interesting discussion and I always have to scroll past these mundane, repetitious, and boring praise comments. They're so common and all paraphrase the same point. I believe many of these comments could be bots. Why bother with these comments? If you like the video, hit like. You're not saying anything original, bot.

@@ARedMotorcycle gah damn who pissed in your cereal, just showing the man some love nothing wrong with that

@@ARedMotorcycle is it wrong to admire someone's work?

@@ARedMotorcycle why

A year prior

And yet even after the mid air incident in Japan-nearly the worst aviation accident in history-international aviation regulatory agencies could not be bothered to clarify the importance of obeying TCAS over ATC commands. Simply inexcusable.

Should the pilot inform the ATC "Responding to TCAS". At least try to keep ATC in the loop.

@@slipperyhardandcold7740 they are mandated to do so, yes. They must report “TCAS alert” in the beginning of the incident and “End of conflict” in the end. In the mean time the Controller is forbidden to intervene.

@@slipperyhardandcold7740 well, DHL pilot did report it and the ATC either didn't receive it or ignored it

Far more danger in driving to work to be a pilot than flying the plane.

True but keep in mind planes dont actually just fly in any airspace. There are actually "roads" in the sky too that all planes follow and intersect.

Like he said, the roadways of the air are the intersections of the radio beacons, as well as arbitrary waypoints via GPS that are also dependent on those airways.

Which season and episode was this?

@@RutujaDicholkar Season 2, episode 4, entitled "Deadly Crossroads"

He didn't deserve to live after being the direct, immediate and ultimate cause of so many innocent deaths. His "descend...expedite traffic" instruction showed not a hint of the grave concern potential massive loss of HUMAN LIFE that he SHOULD'VE had at that moment when he realized HE HIMSELF had placed two flights on a collision course. And he really did NOT have that many airplanes to take care at that moment...just compare his workload at that time with that of those who run approaches to any of the major hub airports in the USA.

@@blackrainbow4467 thank you so much!

@@mariamagdalenamixuhca2023 As mentioned in the vid, a piece of key equipment was not available to him that would have alerted him to the possibility of a conflict much sooner. When you say to "compare workload" you base it off what you "think" controllers are tasked with but since you have zero experience at doing this job your just talking your our a$$ and you know it. Yea, he made a horrible mistake so lets brutally kill him IN FRONT OF HIS THREE KIDS, what kind of person thinks that's OK?.

They talked about the system being off and the controller not knowing this at the end of the video

It's not fate. The accident was ultimatively caused because the Russian aviation philosophy did not allow the TCAS systen to work as designed, as a last safety barrier in case the pilots or the ATC fail to provide correct separation. The failure of the Russian captain to follow the TCAS resolution advisory, and the failure of the Russian Aviation Authority to instruct Russian pilots to give priority to the TCAS Resolution Advisories over the instructions given by the ATC, and to communicate immediately to the ATC that they are in a "TCAS climb" (or "TCAS descend") The TCAS is designed not "to lessen the fatalities in collisions" but to be a last resort safety barrier in case the pilots OR THE ATC is commiting an error. This safety barrier did not function as designed because it was not applied correctly by the Russian side. The two MAIN culprits in this case are -1- the captain of the Tu-154 and -2- the Russian Aviation Authority failing to explain the Russion aircrew CLEARLY that the TCAS Resolution Advisory has ALWAYS the priority over the ATCs instructions AND the captains authority - even while the TCAS-System is a Western-Designed system.

We always get chances to escape if we learn to read the warnings.

@@sorgfaeltig a human voice conveys urgency much better than a mechanical recorded one. That element played a huge part. ATC did not monitor the changing situation and did not issue separation instructions when they should have. The DHL pilot should have dived at the second advisory. But let us blame the Russians.

@@HRTharboy It seems that you do not understand how the TCAS Resolution Advisory works and for what it is designed nor do you understand that it can only function and save lives when the pilot gives FIRST PRIORITY to the commands of the TCAS system. If a pilot understands this, then the "mechanical voice", as you call it, has a greater urgency to the pilot than any other voice. But if he does not understand the priority and the urgency he can pay with his life, and saddly also taking other lives. Do you really think the Russian captain did nothing wrong ? Do you really believe that the Russian Aviation Authorities have had the correct oversight in the instruction of Russian pilots to the TCAS-system? Do you really want to blame the DHL pilot who followed the TCAS Resolution Advisory ?

@@sorgfaeltig many factors were at play. So fate.

GOD obviously felt different. #giveupgod

@@sciencefriction315 Uhm what?

Fuck the DHL crew. They were responsible. Them being dead at least means no-one needs to suffer or die for their incompetence. You NEVER NEVER NEVER change flight level without advising ATC. Worse still they were all on the same frequency so why on God's green earth did the DHL crew not hear that the Tupelov was being toldbto descend? The DHL crew were disengaged, disinterested, non-communicative, rule-breakers who were a danger to other aircraft.

@@nigeldenning5810 what? The Russian crew ignore the warnings and ignore to climb as instructed to avoid collision. The warning system exist for a reason🙄 The Russian crew was at fault for failing to change direction

@@drone6581 You are thinking using today knowledge. TCAS was quite new on commercial aircraft back then, it only became mandatory in 2003. For the Russian pilots, they had direct contact with the ATC so they probably thought they were ok. Also you seem to be totally unaware of russian regulations back then otherwise you wouldn't comment that. It's definitely not more their fault than the ATC giving false info on the plane location and the DHL crew who didn't communicate what they did after being instructed otherwise. Anyway everything that could go wrong did and the result was a disaster.

we would hope they are informing everyone

The DHL informed ATC about the TCA resolution, but ATC wasn't listening cause he was advising another traffic.

I think TCAS II downlinks that information automatically to the controllers now.

@@abnnizzy why didnt the controller contact the DHL flight at all during this? theres only 2 planes involved, not 50. the video describes 10 seconds going by at one point. this didnt happen instantly. why didnt the controller contact both flights? he had time. plane 1 - descend to 34000. plane 2 - ascend to 3600. i have the other plane descending. i dont get it. he just kept talking to the one plane only.

I'm curious, dont the radars in front of the screen show when an airplane descends? Like, numbers next to the plane? Would it have been possible for the ATC to see DHL plane descending?

Is this something pilots learn about in school?

@@sweetzs100 Learn the mistakes of the past to prevent the same mistakes in the present.

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hey Collin .. planes need better information on these traffic avoidance systems? .. like climb climb to 036 .. whereas the other plane needs to be instructed to a vertical space below .. decend decend to 034 .. that way both planes know where to be .. they need to make these systems better .. fool proof .. giving direct altitude heights seems like . not to mention better ATC stewards .. these crashes should not be happening in this day and age . very sad and avoidable seems like

Especially the chain of actions taken to avoid that directly contributed to the crash. It's like that time travel paradox where you try to avoid a known fate but end up causing that fate by trying to change it.

In 31 years as ATCo I witnessed one, with a working mate. Two Cessna 152 with one student in each. Both were killed. For several worthy reasons, the Controller was acquitted.

Listen to TCAS and advise controllers that is what you are doing.

exactly

Also, don’t mess with a Russian’s family.

Unique? Really?

You had to go to a university to come to this conclusion. Go ask for a refund

Yes been waiting for 4 years

@@Interdictiondeltawingwohoo

@@Interdictiondeltawing yet more 10 years for JAL123!

Yep, I've wanted to watch this one for years

Überlingen is a German city?

To be fair, it's not a coincidence. The combination of those factors WAS the cause, otherwise it probably would have not happened.

I was thinking the same if one plane was fast and other slower 😢

if only the russian plane climbed a second earlier, or if only the 757 descended a wee but faster. Everyone would still be alive. Nielsen's family won't be grieving their father's and husband's death in the hands of an angry russian who lost his family. If only Nielsen had been noticed about the maintenance, or if only his partner was awake. Too many possibilities that would have better outcomes, yet what happened was the worst of the possibilities.

Allow me to comment on the maintenance aspect. While I was in the Air Force my job was maintaining the ground base navigation and landing aid systems (ILS). Like everything else man designs and builds maintenance has to be performed on given equipment and there are times the equipment has to be taken off line to perform that maintenance. There never is a perfect time to take such equipment off line so efforts are made to do that at times of least activity which was probably the case here. I'm thinking that in that case the controller who was on break should have been called back to his station.

Privatization of ATC by handing it to a for-profit company that tolerates shortcuts that disregard established procedures---what a capital idea. 🙄

I have been wondering why they didn't do it

I think the curvature of turn were even bigger, than curvature of rise\fall. And of course wingspan is bigger, than height of the aircraft. Or it could be a very sharp turn which would have placed too much stress on an airframe.

The plane will split apart by hard turning at that speed, safer to climb or decent.

Clearly no one claimed that either of the pilots were at fault. But remember ATC only asked one pilot to descend. The other pilot did not inform he too is descending due to TCAS.

@@sred5856 That wasn't my recollection. Initially, or shortly after, one of the flight crews was "Said" to be at fault. You can probably guess where the blame came from. I also cannot stress to people that at that time; This scenario hadn't been covered in great detail & What cannot be over emphasized is the calm, no emotion, mono machine tone of t.c.a.s. Vs. A human who clearly knew he had a problem. Sadly, I don't think even he knew the extent & gravity of his rapidly evolving, tragic instructions. I'm fairly certain that company also was found to be dangerously lax in its implementation of protocols and safety. In the end the a.t.c. essentially was found at fault. It would be interesting to know if any of that companies executives faced any type of charges or backlash. I.m.o. This was an easily avoidable accident in which many factors combined to culminate in a tragedy of giant consequences & sadness. Idk about anyone else but being a plane full of young students, of which I can only imagine the excitement on board, cut short in an absolutely gruesome manner.

@@brianobrian6637 Yes, this was unfortunately an accident that could have been avoided - traffic management is the responsibility of the ATC whose task is primarliy to keep planes safe in the sky. Obviously nothing was intentionally committed by any party, but there was a lack of redundancy - something critical in this industry.

What he felt was nothing compared to the families of all those kids that died because of his foolishness.

@@Benji-jj2bg don’t even say that. It wasn’t his fault, it was the companies. Put yourself in his shoes, controlling 5 planes by himself with equipment that he didn’t even know were offline. The task he did was meant for 2 people, not 1. Shame on you for calling it foolishness, it is foolish for you to even say that

@@goldminer1275 Literally

@@goldminer1275 he was foolish 100% and got what he deserved. He accepted the job understanding the assignment and risk/responsibility and yet still didn't speak up. All cause the other traffic officer needed sleep.

@@3rdkenp 💩

I agree...Their was no intent to do this. What are the odds of this happening in such a vast sky.....and yet it did.

What you mean murdered who killed Nelson and for what

@@prerectonbeyonder3628 one of the fathers of the slain children murdered him in retribution.

@@kostan55 But surely if you lost members of your family you wouldn't want to put others through the same pain.

@@Bananaman1406_ That's really correct