It meant both in the original. Some buttons resisted, some went to kill.

Too soon

"Masamune's placement has deepened"

Lmao

Aertith is KEBABED.

THIS IS DARK

If i were to answer the question based on Aerith's fate, the "Fact" is where Sephiroth successfully impaled Aerith, whereas "Fiction" is where Cloud saved Aerith from Sephiroth

Fact is the OG events, Fiction is where Sora swoops in from Quadratum and finally gets the runback with Sephiroth that we did not get in KH3

Even in OF FF7 Cloud was suffering from PTSD from what he witnessed in Nibelheim. So he made up stuff in his head. Then Tifa was to worried or scared as to how Cloud would react to the truth. So in OG FF7 as in FF7 Rebirth what you are seeing is Cloud's full mental breakdown. Then in the 3rd game as in the later half of OG FF7. Tifa will pull Cloud out of it.

Literally next comment below says about fiction of choice

You need alan wake to switch the plot for you 😂

I was thinking that lmfao 😭

like Zelda Tears of the Kingdom

Maybe it was Sephiroth trying to stop Cloud from striking Aerith? 8)

No, this has characters and a story ​@zanok7796

Yeah the whole point of the Date with Aerith was the illusion of choice

The scene can also be interpreted as an illusion that Aerith creates so that Sephoroth doesn’t realize she is alive.

there is a possibility that Zack will be the key to the biggest change later... like at the end of the story where he says "but who's saying the can't unite again?" there is a theory that says Aerith already had a vision of the future of what would happen before the start of the game then this is related to the sentence that Marlene said to Zack and of course the words "emotional damage" to Zack 😅 but Marlene immediately continued with the sentence "That's because you weren't there". This is all a hint for the fans who are waiting for that day to come... haaa but no matter in any story be it anime or story films like time loop or multiverse or time travel things like this are very confusing 🤦‍♂️

@@michaelbarnard8529 I think that way too, illusion for everyone but Cloud, that why he doesn't even sad

@@pendora4182 I love time travelling concepts in media but it is so NERVE WRACKING, although it has taught me that if I ever get the chance to time travel, I am turning that shit DOWN xD

How do you know Aerith is actually dead? Think people should wait till 3rd game before jumping to conclusions of what is or is not reality in this series.

Three. Og FVII Remake Timeline Zack lives Timeline

For real. Man is ironically the greatest puppet in all of FFVII. His villainous actions are actually a result of him trying to follow Jenova’s goal of world domination. Then, he couldn’t live with the fact that Ckoud defeated him in Nibelheim. That’s why he’s trying to mess with Ckoud now. Cloud literally lives rent free in his head

When did he split into 2 ? I didn't see

I think it was aerith who did it. Look at the ground, the same effect that was present at the end of the dream date. Sephiroth was beat, then Aerith took her own life.

@@alfriesmacdonalds5879 during the first phase of his boss battle when Zack and Cloud fight him. At the end of said phase, he cuts a line between them, literally sending them back to their timelines

yeah, i can imagine that scene with voiced lines will either be the opening of Part 3 or the scene where Cloud remembers everything that has happened and he has to face reality that Aerith indeed died

@@michaelrobosa146 Yessss, it would work so well for when he remembers- he lived in ignorance when he forgot, and when he remembers, it's truly a hit in the gut of "this can't be real".

@@synovelle right??? Cloud is suffering from PTSD, so I assume that he's just in-denial with Aerith's death, that's why her death was played differently here because they are saving the ACTUAL SCENE for Part 3

That's they gayest thing I've ever heard.

No you guys interpret it wrong. Cloud didn’t see illusion, he now lives in 2 worlds at same time. That’s why only him seeing rupture sky but Barret and others couldn’t see (explanation below) --- Sephiroth said after we defeated destiny in remake alternate worlds were created but since they all weak, unlike main world, they’ll all eventually face doom (indicated by ruptured sky) Like we saw it happened in several alternative worlds. In alternative world he DID SAVE Aerith but that world will be doomed like others, and Aerith knows that. So at the ending scene Aerith said “goodbye”

A case of being a little too faithful as a remake.

@@aguywithgames3135 It's not faithful at all lmao

​@@DarkMuu666lol shut up lol 80% of the ones we have in the rebith game are from the original game shit !? Go play the OG game and you will see it clearly.

​@@DarkMuu666 dudes be saying the most dumbest shit lmao

To be fair, the most mashing you probably do at that scene in the OG was to skip the dialogue.

Ik, it was sooo good

your right 👍i feel like aerith is alive in part 3

Should all be one game.

​@@981haremgood news is one of the key points in part 3 is going to be Zack helping and cure Cloud of his sickness to save Aerith 2 with Marlene 2's advice earlier. Aerith 2 will definitely join the main crew and get her happy ending with everyone

good news is one of the key points in part 3 is going to be Zack helping and cure Cloud of his sickness to save Aerith 2 with Marlene 2's advice earlier. Aerith 2 will definitely join the main crew and get her happy ending with everyone

Underrated comment

"keep those gloves up", sure thing coach xd

That was another timeline, I guess.

​@@hyhhylol I can just imagine Nomura saying that about that easter egg from the OG, that it acts as foreshadowing.

Hahahah

New fans won't realise why OGs feel so strongly about Aerith and Cloud's relationship. You had to be there. You had to see her die like that, and then she's just...gone. It's crazy how mad it made us, just a game. Not even a real person, but the YEARNING we had to save her, to undo it SOMEHOW.

It was an epic game if you played it when it first dropped in 1997. I cried when she died, honestly. It's was unexpected and the most fxcked up thing in gaming at the time. No Final Fantasy title has come close to it for me in terms of emotions. It was a great experience.

Get out of here, miguel. This ain't spiderverse

If you've played Crisis Core you know what our boy does to cannons.

I've always wondered if there are some specific events fated to happen. In Dr. Who, I recall them saying once the Tardis had some kind of paradox armor that shielded it from paradoxes/timeline changes that would make it not exist so that it would still exist in all timelines it traveled to. So my thinking has been, from time to time, that there are some "islands" in the ocean of time, specific spots that are stable and happen across all timelines, even if the events surrounding them can change. I have no idea if that's what's going on here or not, but there do seem to be some events that are completely faithful to the OG, some that are KIND of faithful to the OG, and some that happen completely differently.

@@Beigemage0621 @gabrielwilliams8809 Nothing was actually changed in Crisis Core. Cloud wasn't around to ever *see* Genesis during Nibelheim when it mattered for any of those scenes he was in. He was, however, there when it did matter to recreate the events from 7. He canonically killed Sephiroth. He then went on to save the world later down the line. The thing about Rebirth and Remake is they're fucking with a story already told. It doesn't need canon altering events. This is the problem with things that alter Canon or the story at large. I'll use an example of a story that works that DOES mess with canon. Shadow of War. Talion and Celebrimbor fight their war against Sauron. They forge a new ring of power to rival Saurons own, though it is pure, and loyal to Celebrimbor, rather than to Sauron. It isn't so much corruptive, as we see that Talion is NEVER corrupted by its influence. This combination of their power and collective skill, experience and knowledge allows them to fight and win against the Ringwraiths, and eventually kill and release one from eternal servitude (This is the big canon changing event, aside from the fact that Shelob is also displayed as a female humanoid wearing a black dress sometimes when she is not in her giant spider form.) The reason why it works in this media is because in the game, not only is the game TONS of fun to play, and the orc armies are extremely fun and charming to be around, use and build up and such... But also because immediately after releasing the Ringwraith, Celebrimbor see's it as a betrayal, since he wanted to 'Dominate' the will of the ringwraith and add him to his forces. They clashed, and Celebrimbor gave his ring, which was keeping Talion alive (Seeing as he was sacrificially killed in the first game with his family) to an elven wraith hunter that'd been helping the entire game. If it weren't for Saurons ring lying there, and a talk with Shelob, Talion would have given up his fight, but instead he took up the corrupting ring of one of the 9 Nazgul, knowing that he would damn himself in doing so in time, but for now he needed to hold the line and protect Middle Earth. *THAT* is what his war was all about. The Canon in that game only changes small things that *wouldn't* be noticed visually, and could be easily mistaken for other things, while still keeping other things true to the story. Sure, Shelob was never good, but the game also portrays memories of hers where Sauron, during his days of Deceiving people also deceiving her, betraying her. So it could be argued that what she did was out of spite (as in the books she IS described as an entity of the darkness.) The Ringwraiths? Yes, I will make no excuses about that. It is always said that the ringwraiths never changed from who they were to different peoples or ownerships after they fell to Saurons ultimate corruption. However, it all worked out with how they told the story and made the game.... And that game was a BLAST for it. In this? What are they doing? It's kinda the same game. They updated the graphics... I don't like that they FORCED the combat system to be more of a real time thing. I think it should've been an option to be like 'Yeah, you can go old combat system or new if you want. Retro, or new.' Like, make that an option, it'd be nifty. They're a rich enough company, they can afford it. If they wanted to make changes? Sure, go ahead, but make them... small. After all, it's supposed to be a retelling of the same story. I mean, damn, we didn't even HEAR clouds speech after Sephiroth stabbed her... That gave so much more IMPACT to this scene in the original. His own description of his feelings, sadness, anger and rage at what had just happened. You can picture it in your head. Feel it in your hands and eyes. This... It just shows you the images, sure, but you don't get the same thing. And on top of it? The materia was still just pure white. It didn't change to green. This should mean that her prayer went unheard and NOW the planet is completely FUCKED. The spell, HOLY? Yeah, that's not coming to stop METEOR anymore. So what's the deal? What gives? Look, I will say I never played this game because I never had faith in the remake on initially seeing the time ghosts performing bullshit timefuckery on the game and doing stupid shit with it, but really... Did they shove their heads up their own asses on this story? Cause that's what it looks like.

@rednova2212 I just meant in the opening cinematic of Crisis Core Sepiroth sliced up Sister Ray. As far as the story at large nothing has actually changed. The presence of the whispers honestly aren't intrusive to the main story at all. If anything if I knew I was playing a shot for shot remake with better graphics I'd be just as bored of it as I was watching the Lion King remake. Not knowing why the Sephiroth was attacking the Whispers at first then manipulating the leaves me with questions. Knowing meteor will come is one thing but seeing Zack in a world where Avalanche died makes me wonder even more. These scenes didn't stop what was happening in the main story either. Heck even all of those world Intel missions people gripe about actually drop a huge but subtle bombshell about chadleys true nature and where he fits in in the endgame once they are all completed. I can say with certainty that this game stayed true to its mission of being faithful to its source material. Unlike Kingdom Hearts the what the Whispers are is clear and kinda sad. They are an auto immune response of the planet to those who attempt to rewrite its memories and in effect reality. Sephiroth is a virus that is intent on destroying those memories and being at the center of the wound as it tries to heal. Much like the Meteor which will still be summoned. In my opinion it's like he's trying to make mother earth pull a gun on themselves by driving her insane first. He was evil before but listening to deathwails from the planets souls like its a symphony is next level. Those are not disposable heartless. They exist for the sole purpose of showing how virus like Sephiroth is that he can turn the planet's own immune system against it on a planetary scale. Then plan to spread it across the galaxy to world's unknown. That said I throughly enjoyed playing it and hope you give it a chance without a tarnished expectations.

Only thing I disagree with here is the whispers. I think at this point the black whispers represent OG Sephiroth (or as i like to call it, NG+ Sephiroth) trying to create a world where he succeeds in dropping meteor, while the white whispers represet Aerith in the life stream (NG+ Aerith) combating Sephiroth.

Cloud's mind is still broken though. Dude still thinks he lived Zack's life.

I find it fascinating and I will consider it an option, but Cloud's mind is definitely broken. XD Shattered like glass.

this is my conclusion as well

@@Kingdom850 he only has zacks memories from the point they were in pods together. Not like his whole life

I don’t think they want to believe it, because it ruins the story for them

@@mattkugelman4369 Well Aerith death was always a part of the Story. I knew that would happen, but yes, even i thought maybe they let her live this time, because of this 7 seconds stuff from Part 1. SE played their cards right i guess.

Nah. Aerith is dead. You can literally see from Tifa's perspective that Aerith is covered with blood. Meanwhile from Cloud's POV, Aerith is not covered with blood. Cloud is suffering from PTSD, remember? He is in-denial from her death

​@@michaelrobosa146 he means that while she's dead in main timeline she might be alive in some alternate timeline where Cloud did stop Sephrioth Hell blow

To clarify: he is making things up in his head. Sephiroth kills her but cloud can’t accept that… notice how the scenes keep switching to cloud crying with blood pooling on the floor and then he isn’t crying and there’s no blood. He literally cannot accept what just happened so he’s made up that he stopped the blade. That’s why he still sees her after… he thinks she’s alive. Then the last cutscene he gets on the plane without her and leaves he genuinely thinks she’s okay and is going back home. It’s the reason why the iconic burial scene where she is dropped into the water is skipped… why bury someone who isn’t dead? So cloud blocks it out. We are seeing this all entirely from his perspective and everything he gets the headaches that’s the reality seeping through. It is indeed VERY complicated and I don’t blame anyone for not understanding.

Nah.

Which means what sephiroth is doing is futile

good news is one of the key points in part 3 is going to be Zack helping and cure Cloud of his sickness to save Aerith 2 with Marlene 2's advice earlier. Aerith 2 will definitely join the main crew and get her happy ending with everyone

​@@tiensimon1263good news is one of the key points in part 3 is going to be Zack helping and cure Cloud of his sickness to save Aerith 2 with Marlene 2's advice earlier. Aerith 2 will definitely join the main crew and get her happy ending with everyone

@sixdegreesofgaming4719 one can hope, let's hope as its the final game they put their all into everyone's happy ending

Yeah: Giorno would clean this mess (that Square did) right away.

This is a test.

Yup lmao

Unfortunately I'm not surprised. You ever see what happens if you run out of time up the Sector 7 pillar in Remake?

Wouldn’t that not decide whether Aerith shows as a ghost as they leave?

@@FazFaz I Would've Loved To See Aerith Survive Masamune But Ends Up Unable To Fight

@@FazFaz I Heard You Were Mentioned In This Game??????????

Judging by the lack of blood on the tip of the sword and all the blood around mid-blade, I’m guessing it was a slash instead of a stab.

Timeline distortions. Cloud may have managed to prevent Sephiroth from impaling Aerith in the initial attempt, but Sephy uses his control over his personal Black Whispers to rewrite reality so that he successfully killed Aerith by stabbing her with his sword

@@axceljulio5747 if that is the case, the team is fck man :)))

Sephiroth's sword is also long. An advantage of reach to finish off Aerith.

Well either Cloud saving Aerith was a hallucination or the whispers reversed it because Aerith had to die at that point.

Shut up

I made a video talking a bit about this ending and I can add to it that I think that Aerith is being used as the planet's champion so she is able to fight even while dead just like Sephiroth can as Jenova's champion. They're both dead, but they'll be able to try to influence others and participate in limited ways later on. Jenova still seems to use people besides Sephiroth, like Lodbrock... it seems like the life force of Sephiroth and Lodbrock were not able to resist being stolen by Jenova or whatever allows her to use their appearances but Aerith being a Cetra probably has no issue resisting Jenova. Cloud might be the son of Lodbrock which might be why Jenova thinks she can manipulate him.

That was always a thing.

although, i was waiting for Aerith to also descend into the water 🙃

tried so hard.got SO far

​@@flygonkerel781to lose it allllll! 🎶

It does matter for part 3

@@flygonkerel781 I remember hearing this exact phrase just not in that order. xD

One thing, I don’t know why, it doesn’t even matter how hard you try

If you try to hold the buttons down, the indicator doesn't show that you are holding them down. This video's title was just click bait the whole time. The moment I saw that R2 indicator filled up I knew it was definitely just bait.

@@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEwbecause you have to mash them

they are, people just dumb

You make a good point. Im puzzled how so many people totally glanced over the fact that Aeriths dialogue with Cloud, after her supposed death, are only with words she used in their previous conversations in Remake and Rebirth. Not one new word was added in all those scenes. Which brings us to 2 conclusions. Cloud is making all of it up in his broken mind or Jenova is accessing his memories to manipulate him.

@@Cenkolino 100%. And people HATE what I think is going on. Like they’ve sent death threats to the “Jenova Theory” people including Max Dood. I get it. I’d love to save Aerith too. But all the scenes from the original…we are living the view from Cloud’s broken mind. Tifa is terrified of Cloud’s mental state right now. She feels like she’s completely lost him as well as her bestie. The thing absolutely hammered home in so many places is that Jenova mimics people. It’s never truly addressed in the whole game. Aetith at the end is a shell of herself, who goes from telling Cloud in the forest “Don’t worry, I can handle Sephiroth myself” to “OMG YOU PROMISE YOULL GO AFTER HIM?!”. It’s not Aerith lol. It is the deceiver. Or just his mind. But you get it. People want to think it was bad writing but…they have clouded eyes.

Holy sh*t. I didn’t even think Jenova was doing THAT to Cloud. Beat the game last night, and I thought Cloud was losing his mind in the ending because he can also see the rift in the sky (same one as over Zack’s Midgar). And seeing this, it makes me want to see what happens in Part 3 to bring it all home.

Yeah. Thing is we don’t really know what Jenova is capable of. Much of this is a new or expanded depth. And now we’ve seen that Sephiroth has the same flashes and headaches that Cloud does in that video from Ever Crisis. While everyone’s theory sucks right now, it’s fun to theorize. We have to wait for the truth

Like you're supposed to feel hopeless, I guess.

That's what you think now.

I think Cloud did save one version of "her". Sephiroth just brought him back to the originals timeline or one that resembles the one from the original. However, I noticed something during my second playthrough of the game. In the end Cloud looks at the sky because he can see that rift that opened up above the world thanks to Sephiroths re-union plans. If you play the game a second time you notice Aerith looking very worried at the Sky as well on multiple occasions during the cutscenes. And at one point she says something along the lines of "And when the time comes I'm counting on you. No, not you Cloud. My future self. I think you're gonna love her". I think that future self of her is still out there and that she knew more than she let on to. In the original she was aware of her coming death and I think she was aware of it here as well. Marlene was aware of it too by the way. So yeah, I think we save one version of her in part 3. And on another side note, I think "our Aerith" had the same ability Cloud gained at the end of the game. I think it's the same Marlene has in Remake/Rebirth.

​​@@nyx2903i have been wondering what she was talking about when she mentioned her "future self" , your theory make sense and i hope it is true. I will hold you to it

What if Aerith knows about her death, and prepared for it using a item that can substitute a fatal blow?

what a damn mess

It's Aerith's choice,to die...Remember that She's not the Aerith we used to know...She comes from beyond,and She knows the future(Remember how She acts in Remake?)..She knows that,for saving the future,She HAS to die,She HAS to complete the sacrifice...In the church,She thanks Cloud,then she pushes him away while Sephirith is coming....There are multiple realities,but She chooses the one more worthy for the future of the world,the One where She dies....Cloud Is able to see both versions of this sequence,Because he holds both Materia,the black One and the White One...he's not refusing to accept,he'sJust able to perceive both lines

DEMONS COWER BEFORE THIS...........THING! what sephiroth is may actually be akin to a force of nature that scares even gods!

*leitmotifs

@@Heymrk thx

That not how that works. Cloud already had the dark materia. It can be assumed he just carries it in his sword.

@@Kspice9000 if Cloud already has the dark materia, then why does he look surprised? make it make sense lmao

​@@Kspice9000 In both OG story and Remake Cloud gave out Black Materia to Sephiroth, so it can't it be

I think Cloud has the black materia at the end because he is now "in between worlds," and Sephiroth explicitly says during the end of The Temple of the Ancients is that the real black materia is "hidden between worlds."

oh is it

Yes let us have the choice to play in an AU where Aerith is still alive

Fuck Sephiroth

no 🤨. these are terrible remakes story wise. dont even know what will happen in the last game since it took them two games to finish disk 1

Sephiroth did absorb the Whispers and now they work on his behalf. On the flip side, Aerith has her own whispers as well. I hope they explain all this in part 3

@connormorgan6884 people easily missed it but Cloud actually saved Aerith in alternative world. In main world she died like original, they couldn’t change even they defeated destiny in remake. Sephiroth revealed in forgotten temple that he tricked us to kill destiny, since all alternative worlds will have ruptured sky and doomed eventually. Only main world with normal sky will exist. Now Cloud lives in 2 worlds, main world where he refuse to see it (cause Aerith died) and alternative world where Aerith survived. That’s why only Cloud can see ruptured sky but Barret and others can’t. We still don’t know Aerith successfully cast Holy in main world like Original or not. I guess she failed this time and Sephiroth got what he want from remake. At ending, Aerith said goodbye cause she knew her world will doomed soon like other alternative worlds. Part 3 will be about how to defeat Sephiroth without Holy and save alternative world from perishing to let Aerith live.

Yeah that's why I waited for this before I buy it. Now I don't have to

​@MadarakiFran you have the exact opposite mindset as one of my friends. They wouldn't buy the game unless they knew for a fact that aerith died in this game

​@@codysvlogdaysYour friend will be rather surprised if he goes into it thinking it will play out like her OG death. It doesn't. She has way more presence and talking scenes after her death than she did in the OG version, to the point it looks as if she's still alive and will have a role going into part 3.

@AnbuPrincess oh yeah I know, they are just happy aerith dies because they hate aerith for...some reason

​@@codysvlogdays Your friends are some kind of psycho ?

That's bizzaro sephiroth before safer sephiroth

Well that's factually incorrect because they tell us what he says in the Ultimania lmao

@@VectoredPromise No. What the ultimania refers to is the alternative reality dialogue. In the world where he saved Aerith he says exactly that.

@@Cenkolino nope, Nomura says that Cloud says the same thing he does in the og and they'll use the voice lines in a flashback.

the devs literally laced this game with foreshadowing that cloud would flip the script and become the bad guy and kill aerith; only to chicken out at the last minute for fear of alienating their customers. it's a shame because that would've made a much more powerful narrative.

@@leudast1215he already attempted to kill Tifa this game with his sword. We don’t need a second time. 🤣 No one on his team are ever going to travel with him again either if he killed Aerith either. You would see a clear difference between a cut from sephiroths sword and clouds 😂

That would be a Greek tragedy, of good taste and we can't have that because multiverses and people in dark hoods.

@@elowei9919if you pause at the right moment, you see it was a Tonberry that killed Aerith, Sephiroth was simply taking his sword back 😂😂😂

@@AlbeyAirto Completely believable. Those slow, eerie little shitz are the devil.

If u played the original part of rebirth section, u would understand that most of game is filler explorarion with some important moments appearing at the most at end( Starts in cosmo canyon i would say)Rebirth did what original did, but with better development to characters, the story is more interesting due to the fact it has new reveals. But the bad things of original game part sadly are still in Rebirth. The filler exploration, the plot armors being sometimes questionable and lack of true progess in the story are still there. Talking about Aerith death,OGs can be more impactful by the fact it is unexpected, While Rebirth's is a progessive death that only beats the sad emotion when u as the play understand she is death, (including party) but the main character didnt accept that and act like everything is fine. Different approaches and i liked both

⁠@@Sandrossantos16I agree. The death scene was intentionally written to be less tragic / sad than the original. And I personally think it makes sense. In the original, Aerith’s death was instant, she wasn’t able to leave any last words so Cloud was emotionally destroyed. In Rebirth, Cloud was also devastated, but since Aerith, being as selfless and positive as she always is, told him “It’s okay”, you can clearly see just how much those words lightened him up as he showed a smile of relief. While that really helps him keep his emotions in check for the big battle, I guess it also triggers his defense mechanism that leads to his denial of Aerith’s death. Yeah so that’s why this scene doesn’t feel as sad, because even the main character himself didn’t see it as a death scene. The way the story goes, I think this is not Aerith’s “final” death scene and she still has a bigger role to play in part 3. There probably will be another “true” death scene then.

I played the original, and I don't remember much about it, except running around, and battles of all kinds and the game being very long, playing for days and days and playing "...and justice for all" music album on top of it. Anyways, I didn't want Aerith to die playing this remake, she is the nicest character in the game! Just dandy and wonderful, besides that probably the best one to have in the combat team alongside Cloud...

Cloud did save Aerith in alternative world. In main world she died like original, they couldn’t change even they defeated destiny in remake. Sephiroth revealed in forgotten temple that he tricked us, since all alternative worlds will have ruptured sky and doomed. Only main world with normal sky will exist. Now Cloud lives in 2 worlds, main world where he refused to see it and alternative world where Aerith survives. That’s why only him can see ruptured sky but Barret and others can’t. Aerith said goodbye cause she knew her world will doom soon. Part 3 will be about how to save alternative world from perishing.

To your last point, Cloud will still have to find his true self. Part 3 will mostly focus on Cloud trying to make sense of his reality and his eventual breakdown from the manipulation of Sephiroth and mako. Then later on, once he finds his true self, then he can focus on saving the different worlds. Of course during all of this everything will seem hopeless . However, he can't do anything if he isn't free from Sephiroths control. Its already teased in rebirth his inner world where Tifa will have to put together his memories.

@@who4108 They made this part very well. By the end of this game I'm just annoyed with how hollow and empty Cloud is. He is not a hero, but a nothing, empty hollow man. I mean, he kind of was in the previous game as well, but it's not until the end of this game you really come to understand Cloud.. He will need to put in some major effort in the third part to make a comeback.. But, I think that's what Aerith meant when she said the world needed to be saved and Cloud.. That was the first time he ever showed any real emotion, when he cried there at the end, signifying a change of direction.

@@johnwayne-kd1pn Yea, I think they did rebirth very well. We are actually able to analyze these characters better than in the original. Also, yea Cloud is overall an annoying character but I hope they make his redemption arc massive. Part 3 is going to have some big arcs to fill. Can they tie all of this multidimensional space story together? Will they give Cloud the proper hero story he deserves? Will they add the closure that will satisfy most people?

@@who4108 I suppose they have already started working on it, but it might release on next gen hardware? Yeah, they have some monumental task ahead of them, you're right. Probably it will have to be bigger and better than Rebirth, which is already a tall order. Quite frankly I expected we would get much more revealed from this game after Remake, but it seems more like an interlude of some sort, a good one with much happening, but not much resolved or revealed in terms of the situation overall. After the last game, the world was ending and we were after Sephiroth. After this game we're at the exact same place/situation, although alot of things happened in between.