FBAs, Fat Joe, Busta Rhymes & The Myth of Who Created Hip Hop

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Жыл бұрын

Yanadameen Godcast episode 241, segment #1
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@TheSet6145
@TheSet6145 Жыл бұрын
YES GOD 6:20... This is a reductive and regressive discussion. The FACT is Hip Hop was created by Black people in the South Bronx...we Puerto Ricans were there and contributed BUTTTTT WE HOLD NO FOUNDING FATHER STATUS
@realone7405
@realone7405 Жыл бұрын
🗣FACTS 💯
@kas3583
@kas3583 Жыл бұрын
Not specific enough. It was black people. It was Foundational Black Americans period. All other groups had to be americanized b4 they could even participate in hip-hop
@TheSet6145
@TheSet6145 Жыл бұрын
@@kas3583 respectfully, your basically reiterating what I'm saying. You feel a way because I'm not designating the who when I say "Black people"? Well I would say it's definitely implied that Iam speaking to FBA by my statement, asking for clarification as a challenge or swipe is futile because here it is. I wont challenge your position because it's what I'm saying.
@shawnclayton637
@shawnclayton637 Жыл бұрын
I was taught it came from the carolinas. Even break dancing
@urbannuance5151
@urbannuance5151 Жыл бұрын
That's facts, the Latins that speak like this get the UP MOST RESPECT.
@claytonallsgood8566
@claytonallsgood8566 Жыл бұрын
We never divided ourselves from other people. They Divided themselves from us! Facts!
@kahe224
@kahe224 Жыл бұрын
Those are fkn FACTS yo!
@kahe224
@kahe224 Жыл бұрын
@The Life! ..Those are fkn FACTS yo💯
@kahe224
@kahe224 Жыл бұрын
Those are fkn FACTS yo💯
@SunnyandNova
@SunnyandNova Жыл бұрын
But now we must you’re absolutely right
@SagRising19
@SagRising19 Жыл бұрын
@The Life! Big facts
@urbanthreshold1
@urbanthreshold1 Жыл бұрын
The Black American culture includes Juneteenth, the quilting tradition, jumping the broom, HBCU's, soul food, various dances, inventions, ingenuity, family reunions and AAVE. We created top music genres such as the Blues, Rock & Roll, Gospel, Country, Jazz, R&B, and Hip Hop.
@benknighten2736
@benknighten2736 Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget the stop light 🚦
@seedsowersofisrael.4660
@seedsowersofisrael.4660 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much damn near everything. 😆
@dynastye.n.t.2095
@dynastye.n.t.2095 Жыл бұрын
We??? Bro was u there? Don't say we.. you had no hand in it.
@SGTDUKUM
@SGTDUKUM Жыл бұрын
There's CULTURE and TRADITIONS, then there's CROSS CULTURAL TRADITIONS. Sadly, JUMPING the broom isn't an AFRICAN TRADITION that became a BLACK AMERICAN TRADITION. It was a EUROPEAN TRADITION freed slaves mimicked in cross cultural traditions. Black slaves saw the SCOTT-IRISH CRACKERS DOING INLINE DANCING and mimicking them came TAP DANCING a BLACK AMERICAN CULTURAL DANCE. HBCUS were not started by BLAPEPOS like INDIAN SCHOOLS weren't started by NATIVE AMERICANS. (I think FISK is the only one?). The NAACP wasn't started by BLAPEPOS it was FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLOURED PEOPLE. JEWS, ITALIANS were COLOURED until they became WHITE and left it to BLACKS. JUNETEENTH is now forever ruined but it's not an ALL BLAPEPOS CELEBRATION and it's not a cultural thing but a celebratory day like the 4th of July. Quilt making, basket weaving are southern traditions by region but not ALL BLAPEPOS practice any of it. AFRICAN FABRIC PRINTS AREN'T PRODUCED BY AFRICANS BUT THEIR FORMER DUTCH COLONIZERS. CORNROWS is AFRICAN as FRENCH BRAIDS are FRENCH, black English VERNACULAR came from MIMICKING the SCOTT-IRISH CRACKERS DIALECTS because they were the OVERSEERS of the slaves and lived in close quarters to them. However BLAPEPOS created their own LANGUAGE from English that nobody else does in America. Jamaicans are americas version of Nigerians to Africa. Jamaicans think they are the greatest BLACK people in the Americas like Nigerians think they are the greatest of all African civilizations. It's ALL NATIONALISTIC which certain groups of people are imbued with. No matter what though, every non-black American native has come over here with a competitive resentment towards BLACK AMERICANS. EVERYONE LOVES BLACK CULTURE BUT HATES BLAPEPOS. Our culture is less influenced by AFRO-CARIBBEANS than them influencing BLACK aka AFRO-AMERICANS. Geographically americans of all backgrounds have different traditions and cultural norms that are strong holds. SOUL FOOD used to be SURVIVAL FOODS now turned into COMFORT FOODS that's CULTURALLY TRADITIONALLY KILLING OUR PEOPLE, but BLAPEPOS won't eat kale to save their lives. East coast RAP has more AFRO-CARIBBEAN INFLUENCE but that's not the WHOLE RAP GENRE. If every BLACK person in the USAOFKKK voted against OBAMA in 2008-2012 he still would've been elected POTUS by how many WHIPIPOS voted for him but you wouldn't have known that by how BLAPEPOS was acting like THEY DID IT cuz they voted for the first time in their lives. It's been tradition that BLAPEPOS didn't like to vote pro-Obama. WHIPIPOS researched then wrote the history books and know ALL about our cultural contributions. SADLY like KYRIE IRVING learned the hard way, THE THEY forbade the ENSLAVED AFRICANS WHO BECAME BLACK AMERICANS and the SCOTT-IRISH, their indentured overseers counterparts from learning how to read and write to keep them ignorant of what they have written in those books. Lastly, most BLAPEPOS are diluted WITH WHITE slave MASTERS DNA as jamaicans are pure. We can't claim everything but without the BLACK AMERICAN DIASPORA the WORLD WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT DRAB COUNTRY INDEED THERE ARE NO OTHER BLAPEPOS LIKE AFRO-AMERICANS WHO HAVE CONTINUALLY CULTURALLY MADE A WAY FROM OUTTA NO WAY.
@faraazkhan90
@faraazkhan90 11 ай бұрын
​@@SGTDUKUMthat Scottish Irish dance came from ballet. African dance predates all that.
@RuddBoy3996
@RuddBoy3996 Жыл бұрын
Busta Rhymes said FBA ain't got no culture that's a disrespect Wu-Ha our foot is on his neck . 🇺🇲💪🏾 Lord Jamar big Salute.
@hoseahanslip9190
@hoseahanslip9190 Жыл бұрын
What's most interesting is the fact that NONE of the cats that were THERE are the ones having this debate. It's people that were babies, or not even born, having the biggest debates.
@i.b.gt.v1877
@i.b.gt.v1877 Жыл бұрын
That's a factory
@realone7405
@realone7405 Жыл бұрын
It's not a debate.."Latinos" are doing their imitation white supremacist by trying so hard to take a BLACK AMERICAN CREATION (HIP HOP) from black people.
@TeenaDavis101
@TeenaDavis101 Жыл бұрын
Nicca it wasn't that long ago fool. 🤣🤣🤣
@b.o.m.militia
@b.o.m.militia Жыл бұрын
That's a lie because a lot of the original creators are on KZfaq telling the origins. U know the 1971-1974 crowd.
@hoseahanslip9190
@hoseahanslip9190 Жыл бұрын
@@b.o.m.militia telling history, and debating on who did what, are not the same.
@darkskindrake1314
@darkskindrake1314 Жыл бұрын
If you rapping in another language it still comes from FBA style 💯🙏🏾
@SunnyandNova
@SunnyandNova Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@shawnclayton637
@shawnclayton637 Жыл бұрын
If u have a fade also
@seedsowersofisrael.4660
@seedsowersofisrael.4660 Жыл бұрын
@fbacryptosoldier
@fbacryptosoldier Жыл бұрын
Yewdiiiigg! ✊🏿
@commonsenseisnowasuperpowe5275
@commonsenseisnowasuperpowe5275 Жыл бұрын
Lord Jamar is right, I remember an interview where busta said he to hide his Jamaican heritage
@seedsowersofisrael.4660
@seedsowersofisrael.4660 Жыл бұрын
I know, Busta Rhymes is waking up to Social Media craze like, WTF did I just do?? 😆 😆
@Wideout4
@Wideout4 Жыл бұрын
Every time you say divide and conquer I disagree because that’s only said when FBA stand up for themselves nobody ever says that when FBA gets shitted on constantly
@MentalPistol
@MentalPistol Жыл бұрын
How does FBA stand up for themselves nowadays? I never seen FBA come together to talk about getting a serious grip on the business of any aspect of their entertainment music or even their image. FBA image is exported worldwide to both ridicule you and weaken other nations by subverting the youth. Every other nation can see this except you. I only tell you this so you get a better worldview, not to insult, so dont get emotional.
@OG.FactsMachine
@OG.FactsMachine Жыл бұрын
Explain how FBA gets shat on.
@TeenaDavis101
@TeenaDavis101 Жыл бұрын
Exactly.. When these other groups stayed on some divide BS, there wasn't a problem. But now root/soil of this land (FBA) stands up, everyone wanna cry 😢
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
Wtf do you live? Lol under a rock🤣
@tonymack2007
@tonymack2007 Жыл бұрын
@@OG.FactsMachine read a book if you're so out of touch
@MrBdavis99
@MrBdavis99 Жыл бұрын
Latin folks used to call Rap "Jungle Music" and Caribbeans weren't even listening to early rap so I don't understand why all of a sudden everyone feels the need to latch on to our culture. Maybe because Hip-Hop is turning 50 next year 🤔
@stillgrinden23
@stillgrinden23 Жыл бұрын
@@BoricuaNyc foh with that b.s.
@Prophet.1
@Prophet.1 Жыл бұрын
@@BoricuaNyc not true
@MrBdavis99
@MrBdavis99 Жыл бұрын
@@BoricuaNyc Lmao! Rap is a black american thing. It has it's roots in bebop, jazz and blues. We didn't have to go outside our country for influence.
@martinvanburen4578
@martinvanburen4578 Жыл бұрын
because it makes money
@seedsowersofisrael.4660
@seedsowersofisrael.4660 Жыл бұрын
"Jungle Music"? There are no Jungles in the 🇺🇸, even in the deep rural country parts to even call it that. 😆
@ConquerWealth.network
@ConquerWealth.network Жыл бұрын
Busta Rhymes has been saying the US has no culture, all their Carribean and Latino s h i t is what makes the US culture. and lets keep it a buck, he's talking about African Americans ( FBA) because he said the cultural influence in America is from the urban communities and the Latino and West indian Carribean communities has always provided the most influence out of everyone and they've always had and always will and its just been that way he says. He goes on to say he's always been influenced by the latino community who has always made him feel comfortable, which has allowed him to feel comfortable putting his west indian influence in his music. This is a slap in the face of Foundational Black Americans (FBA) by Busta Rhymes and Fat Joe who has literally Appropriated our culture and made millions and who has also been talking down to FBAs for a long time and should serve as a wake up call to ALL FBA. There never was a black and brown coalition. There never was FBA and Carribean solidarity after the 60s pretty much, and let me be clear, im talking mainly the immigrants tethers that come to America. They are told to not F with us. To stay away, that we are inferior, we are lazy, were criminals, unintelligent, uneducated and all kinds of other disrespectful derogatory things. No i am not letting off all the other communities that hate on us and disparage us like the whyte peepo and pretty much every other community on earth. We are the most hated and disrespected. We MUST put a stop to this s h i t. It is time for FBA to take off those capes and unify under our own FBA lineage because from the looks of it, we all we got. These people come to this country and i mean EVERYONE as a collective with contempt for FBA. They love our culture, and creations, but hate our people, at least the ones they can't use to get a leg up in America. They seem to be ganging their communities up against FBA because they have been making these slick underhanded derogatory and disrespectful comments about FBA for a long time. They seem to be daring us to do something about it. What it is, is now that Latinos have more numbers here in America and the Carribeans have grown also, they think now they can team up and show their hand. We as FBA has always been some of the most welcoming people in the world. Inviting people into our culture and sharing our cultural creations and contributions with America the country we built into the biggest global economic empire ever in history and the rest of the world. But it has never failed. Once we take these babies under our wings and teach them how to walk, talk, chew gum and everything else we know, they take it and use it against us. We gotta from now on be smarter than that. We have no allies. It needs to be either your with us or against us. Because everybody wants to rep their flags, nations and own communities, but when we try to unify under our own lineage and community they wanna try and say we're being divisive to make us feel ashamed for wanting to look out for ourselves like everyone else does. Now you see that it's only a tactic they use to keep FBA devided and splintered so they can gang up and jump us. The nerve. He said because of his Carribean decent he has an advantage over us, because he can use our culture and when necessary go in his bag and pull out a secret weapon which he means is his Carribean culture and that is superior to FBA They used our culture and resources to become millionaires and then s h i t in our faces when they think they dont need us any more. The audacity to say that Latinos and Carribeans have the most influence in the world, When it is a clear fact that no other ethnic group has influenced and contributed to America and probably the world culturally more than FBA. Music, Sports, Fashion, Entertainment. Inventions, innovation and more. I mean who has contributed more as a single ethnic group. Everyone always talking about how good their cultures food and cuisine is. I'll put a soul food thanksgiving dinner up against any of theirs anyday. We have a humbleness problem, a sharing problem, a giving problem, a forgivness problem that we gotta solve. Because all people do is take take take from FBA and who gives back. I mean really. Just go to google and type in African American inventions and innovations. It will astound you. And we created about 90% of all popular music genras and subgenras or directly influenced them in the world. I mean really who is more lit than African Americans (FBA) Foundational Black Americans. I know this is a hella long comment, but been needing to get this off my chest.
@jdealsdirect7660
@jdealsdirect7660 Жыл бұрын
Absolute facts. We know what it is. It's good to see and know we (FBA) are aligned and stake claim to OUR culture that other folk assimilate to.
@LOU1982
@LOU1982 Жыл бұрын
🇺🇸☝🏿FBA Love
@commonsenseisnowasuperpowe5275
@commonsenseisnowasuperpowe5275 Жыл бұрын
@@BoricuaNyc You seriously need to be reported, why won't you stop the harassment in every comment section? Your not trolling anymore your actually racist
@p.r.n.y.c7170
@p.r.n.y.c7170 Жыл бұрын
Lol u wasted your time trying to convince yourself of a fantasy. The world views you as you are not that way u want them to.
@alstone5005
@alstone5005 Жыл бұрын
Bottom line Busta finally came out the closet with his true self. He will always be respected as an artist but dude has never been a great spokesman for the culture. Now you see why. Since Busta decided to finally come out and be his true self and disrespect the people who embraced him he might as well come all the way out the closet. Clearly there are some other things he has screaming inside of him to get out. Don’t wait til 50 to be the real you. If you thought we were people with no culture say it from jump
@honestuscitizen3028
@honestuscitizen3028 Жыл бұрын
THE BLACK MAN THE ORIGINAL NATIVE AMERICAN AND CREATOR OF HIP HOP
@seedsowersofisrael.4660
@seedsowersofisrael.4660 Жыл бұрын
, but all Black People aren't the same. 😉
@wolf-bearchief3705
@wolf-bearchief3705 Жыл бұрын
You mean Niiji, the aboriginals of this land the U.S
@namelesssoul8098
@namelesssoul8098 4 ай бұрын
We’re not the original natives man stop the lie.
@wydiamakeba
@wydiamakeba Жыл бұрын
Hip hop became popular from the hoods of America. FBA were the one's buying tapes and albums before it was ever played on the radio. We were the ones supporting the rappers and making it popular.
@SuperDivine9
@SuperDivine9 Жыл бұрын
What's sad is that the CREATION of Hip-Hop/Rap Music is debated more than the OWNERSHIP!
@Aquil84
@Aquil84 Жыл бұрын
I literally made a video on this point on my my page.
@odellbey9602
@odellbey9602 Жыл бұрын
Because the white corporations took over ownership. That's why fat Joe & buster rhymes is being paid to be out here talking reckless about our FBA culture right now.
@senorc4416
@senorc4416 Жыл бұрын
They may have created it but now they’re guests in a home they built
@jabbad2992
@jabbad2992 Жыл бұрын
This is FACTS
@andheardstudios8089
@andheardstudios8089 Жыл бұрын
@@senorc4416 you're smoking crack lol we ain't guests it's just called white supremacy
@robhall2891
@robhall2891 Жыл бұрын
Bob Marley was singing Doo Wap in the 50s and 60s. Look it up! He even had a process!!! Word! His style of Reggae was predicated by FBA influence!
@carlwalker9635
@carlwalker9635 Жыл бұрын
@The Life! I don't think you understood what the comment was saying. Yes, FBA R&B, in the 1950's was a major influence on the Wailers, and the forerunner to Reggae music called Ska.
@Pisces_Light
@Pisces_Light Жыл бұрын
It's simple. If you have one FBA parent tracing their lineage back to the U.S. 1870 Census then you are FBA. Shout out to Lord Jamar our FBA brother. 💯💯💯
@mackwitdavortexx
@mackwitdavortexx Жыл бұрын
Divide and Conquer aint the problem it's the sense of entitlement from these Tethers
@OG.FactsMachine
@OG.FactsMachine Жыл бұрын
You're from America but you dont own the nation. You must face that truth. Not only that, but youre mad at people that can succeed in your country while you personally can't. Maybe because you're prone to scann youtube for petty arguments to get involved in and idiotic buzzwords to repeat. Don't get mad, just think about it.
@mackwitdavortexx
@mackwitdavortexx Жыл бұрын
@@OG.FactsMachine Who owns the nation? Who fought all the wars & battles daily to pave a way so "other ppl" could flee their homeland to reap the benefits of the USA? Since when is being a cab driver or working at doordash deemed successful? What are these "other ppl" doing that black americans werent doing 100 years ago? Just think about it.
@OG.FactsMachine
@OG.FactsMachine Жыл бұрын
@@mackwitdavortexx You tell me who owns the nation Oh they flee their homeland huh? The doors for opportunity were opened and people came to take advantage of that. Yes black americans made that possible by fighting.. but now that brings up a better question. Why can these groups come here and proportionally shine but the proud FBA has been here floundering for the past 70-80 years culturally by all statistical accounts? Think about it well before you answer.
@kisswriters
@kisswriters Жыл бұрын
@@OG.FactsMachine We are the most educated, wealthy, and generous of all groups within the diaspora. And when in need, when have y’all ever come to our rescue (with resources) here in the States? We, on the other hand, have always come to your aid when you’re hit by famine, hurricanes, pestilence, ethnic genocide… now y’all got Chinese running your continent, taking your women and breeding half-caste children who’ll be another buffer group that hate and rule over black Africans…
@mackwitdavortexx
@mackwitdavortexx Жыл бұрын
@@OG.FactsMachine are you saying colonizers own the nation sir? are they the ones allowing you to eat off of the work foundational black americans put in? isnt it the trillions of dollars of equity that is still owed to the descendants of ppl who built this country that funded the set asides & benefits your received for fleeing your homeland? How is it that you shine besides being 🦝, culture vultures, & remixing things black ppl have done here for generations. Is just getting a job shining? Feel free to share some these stats you got from zaddy & i'll go ahead & provide some context to your disrespect. Hopefully my answer wont be deleted this time.
@mccoyReturned
@mccoyReturned Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the University, and Highbridge Sections of the BX 70s/80s. Yes, there were Some P.R.s, and Caribbeans that "Rolled with the Flavor" of Hip Hop Culture. But as God as My Witness, Lots of Hispanics/Caribbeans went out of their WAY! to NOT Mess with Hip Hop Culture. Most West Indians Called ALL Our Music "Yankee Boy Music", and Refused to Play R/B, Rap, or Dress like a "Yankee Boy". I also Personally,... Personally! Heard Some Puerto Ricans say they Don't Go to Jams "Cause Yo Be, It Be Staay Kinnn!!, "Yo, You people be Staaykin!". I Still can Vividly Remember them saying that while Fanning their Hands in Disgust, While Other Puerto Ricans Laughed. But by then I had Already realized how iffy Things were Between Them and Us, And To Be Completely 100% Honest at that point, I really didn't Want them to Come to the Jams Anyway. The Only Reason Puerto Ricans were Involved with Hip Hop is Because We Welcomed them in. Many Puerto Ricans had and Still have a Real Segregationist Mindset towards Blacks. Now Just Imagine if Puerto Ricans/Hispanics Actually Created Hip Hop. Just Take a Walk around the Bronx,.... Yeah That.🤨
@truthiscensored
@truthiscensored Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Guyana is actually a country in South America, and not part of the Caribbean Islands. It borders Venezuela to the east and North of Brazil
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo Жыл бұрын
That’s where Jim Jones was
@dugebuwembo
@dugebuwembo 2 ай бұрын
The culture in Guyana is Carribean, you can try and call it South American all you want when you see the people & listen to them speaking they are culturally anglophone Carribean, Guyana is the Carribean in all but location.
@emiliorebenga443
@emiliorebenga443 Жыл бұрын
Exactly Jamar! I’m P.R. & already been known everything you’re spitting are facts. Don’t know why ppl are playing these games. I guess ppl running outta content for KZfaq
@Bigsez12
@Bigsez12 Жыл бұрын
I’m Puerto Rican and agree with everything the GOD said I wish everyone realized we are the same damn people fba is the creator no doubt but we helped build it with our FBA brothers an sister don’t let the devil separate us when we need to be together shout out to all my FBA an Caribbean brothers and sisters
@Crimson-Ox
@Crimson-Ox Жыл бұрын
I understand what you saying but it’s hard to build when especially during that time when most of them didn’t want to build with you
@Bigsez12
@Bigsez12 Жыл бұрын
@@Crimson-Ox that works both ways you have to remember in the 60s we we’re learning to live with each other in really bad conditions there was hesitation on both sides that’s why I love hip hop so much because that’s what we used to bridge the gap between our cultures I was raised that blacks Hispanics are the same people only difference was the boat stopped in the Caribbean first where the Taino an Africans were slaves together for the europeans meaning the Spaniards
@Cng215
@Cng215 Жыл бұрын
I'm sry bro but if you're against the devil then you can't support lies. Thats another problem. They keep saying Latinos contributed, NOOOO. Puerto Ricans 🇵🇷 Contributed and ONLY PUERTO RICANS. Everyone else is culture vultures. Now I know that Puerto Ricans ARE latino but MOST latinos are ANTI BLACK and yes I said MOST and they know it. They didn't Contribute CRAP but hatred. ESPECIALLY SELF HATING DOMINIC🦝🦝NS. Puerto Ricans were thy ONLY ones who stood by FBA , got beat by police with them, harassed with them, Built families with them and told dominicans and Mexicans ect that if you call my black friend a n word then you calling me a N word and we got problems. Shout OUT TO ALL THE PUERTO RICANS 🇵🇷 YALL ARE A TRIBE FULL OF LUV AND COURAGE.
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
@@Bigsez12 Gracias.
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
@@Crimson-Ox First Peace Beloved.. I'm Prto Rcan and went to a predominantly Black school and the Latinos that were there didn't really interact with me cus I wasn't where they were from. I got jumped by black bros before cus I was light skinned! So it definitely goes both ways. Peace to you and yours Fam
@CJ-vh2hf
@CJ-vh2hf Жыл бұрын
Puerto Rico, Dominican republic & Jamaica are not RACES they are PLACES. The confusion between race culture and ethnicity is paramount, learn your history
@phillippeharris6069
@phillippeharris6069 Жыл бұрын
Muhammad Ali started emceeing first. His big attitude, his punchlines, his disses we're the template for how we emcee today
@jeffshuford3421
@jeffshuford3421 Жыл бұрын
WRONG!!!! The first break dancers were members of the black spades in Rosdale park. & it was called wild dancing. & disco king Mario was extending break beats in 1970 before cool herc.
@THETRAVELGOD410
@THETRAVELGOD410 Жыл бұрын
@Lord Jamar I swear EVERYONE ( MCs) in the 80s gave it up to James Brown as the forefather!
@lockvegas05
@lockvegas05 Жыл бұрын
They did, and as late as 2010 Pete Rock gave it up to James Brown in a Documentary Called Soul Survivor.
@PuertoR0ck
@PuertoR0ck Жыл бұрын
Rip Shabba Doo from breakin. He was 🇵🇷
@atuneraella9328
@atuneraella9328 Жыл бұрын
James brown is the father of hip hop 4/4 time signature is what made hip hop . Hip is to know, Hop is to move. Hip-hop meaning is to know the move .
@ideathompson4419
@ideathompson4419 Жыл бұрын
I am FBA with a distant Caribbean grandfather as well but FBA is definitely my foundation.
@nassaubahamas8570
@nassaubahamas8570 Жыл бұрын
dont get into it with tariq or he will call you an immigrant
@shotyme2825
@shotyme2825 Жыл бұрын
@Idea Thompson *"I am FBA with a distant Caribbean grandfather as well but FBA is definitely my foundation."* FBA people don't have Caribbean grandfathers.
@nassaubahamas8570
@nassaubahamas8570 Жыл бұрын
@@shotyme2825 are tariqs kids fba since they have a white grandmother?
@shotyme2825
@shotyme2825 Жыл бұрын
@@nassaubahamas8570 If the white grandmother's roots were here before 1865 they are.
@ideathompson4419
@ideathompson4419 Жыл бұрын
@nassau Bahamas I follow Tariq. I was raised FBA on both sides. We have no known West Indian relatives nor do we have any knowledge of my distant grandfather’s culture. All that I know is down the line one of my FBA grandmothers married a Grenadian. And in order to qualify for reparations all you need to do is have a traceable FBA lineage and I have receipts on both sides.
@sdatkb
@sdatkb Жыл бұрын
You are speaking the truth ! As long as one side of your family is FBA your in !
@asiatic_black
@asiatic_black Жыл бұрын
FBA Hip-hop, Rap, Rock, Blues , country, R&B, House Music,Funk music, there's no K pop without us No Afro Beat without us. And them reggaeton dudes got it from Jamaica but try to be us taking our style.
@temtemi6625
@temtemi6625 Жыл бұрын
afrobeat would exist with or without black Americans. black Americans CAN'T event relate to afrobeats. the closest people that relate to afrobeats is Carribbeans, Brazilians, Colombians, Cubans ect.
@asiatic_black
@asiatic_black Жыл бұрын
@@temtemi6625 Felakuti came to The US and learned from Sandra izsatore. Then he went to Africa. You can just look and tell watching any Afrobeat video or hear it in the music. who influenced ya'll. It's okay to give us credit where it's due
@temtemi6625
@temtemi6625 Жыл бұрын
@@asiatic_black oh please fela kuti also went to the UK (to learn about music) and Ghana. first of all afrobeat is different from afrobeat(s), fela's afrobea(T) gets influences from juju, highlife, jazz ect. yes there is American jazz influence in afrobea(T), but there are other influences like juju and highlife that makes it what it is. to claim black Americans are the sole reason for the genre is disrespectful to the other influences that make the genre
@temtemi6625
@temtemi6625 Жыл бұрын
@@asiatic_black as for modern afrobeat(s), there is not 1 formula that makes afrobeats, modern afrobeats is a very mixed genre with so many influences. so it's funny when black Americans try to solely claim afrobeats. when they CAN'T even understand or dance to it, as I said before the closest people that can understand and dance to afrobeats are Caribbeans, Brazilians, Colombians, Cubans ect.
@temtemi6625
@temtemi6625 Жыл бұрын
@@asiatic_black anyways focus on the Latinos claiming hip hop, we're NOT even trying to claim that.
@justrules134
@justrules134 Жыл бұрын
It can easily be said Black people in America pioneered all facets of the arts and crafts all over the world (hip-hop included), which all other races adapted to learn, like, partake and be influenced by. The Beatles, The Bee Gees and many other prominent foreign European music artists, have all acknowledged and given public credit to Black Americans for influencing them & their music. Yes, Black Americans hands down are the first (and only) founders and pioneers of music in America as well international. Blues, Jazz, Rock, Country, Bluegrass etc, all stem from Black American's years of tribulations and physical oppressions on the slave plantations. And yes, I too agree this is conspiracy to invoke and stoke contentions among our diaspora family. Definite red flags for those two and others who make such ridiculous and baseless comments. Real wrecks in effect.
@justrules134
@justrules134 Жыл бұрын
@@OG.FactsMachine You wouldn't be here giving time to it if it produced boredom. Now THAT'S a fact. If we don't know our past we'll be lost in the future. History facts is only meant for the lifers of life. Seekers of eternity are also soldiers for Truth. Obviously we can see anyone(s) who twist history in changing the narrative to best advantage them, are agent's of Satan...for those traits best suits Satan's works on earth. Lies don't last for long, but yes the Truth will always stand to live forever.
@OG.FactsMachine
@OG.FactsMachine Жыл бұрын
@@justrules134 you sound very insecure and prone to emotion.
@danielgreen9003
@danielgreen9003 Жыл бұрын
Delusion is bad thing
@jerrygraves6531
@jerrygraves6531 Жыл бұрын
@@danielgreen9003 what's delusional about it specifically?
@maazi.naaniya9158
@maazi.naaniya9158 Жыл бұрын
Country is Scottish but there were Black American performers
@wcole1385
@wcole1385 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for coming out and putting your spin on the subject Yanadameen Godcast!
@millenialbroadcast
@millenialbroadcast Жыл бұрын
Glad you touched on this J. As you said, we have to let it be known and we have to tell our own story!!! Because if we don’t, our history will continue to be covered.
@bronxnyc9680
@bronxnyc9680 Жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING OUTSTANDING OUTSTANDING Commentary!!!! Lord Jamar is a MANS MAN. I am so PROUD of this Brother for his BRUTE HONESTY. I wish there was a way a could SUBSCRIBE A MILLION TIMES. I waited for days to hear LORD JAMAR speak on this TOPIC. I AGREE with what Jamar said 1000 Percent. 🙏🙏🙏 Peace God!! I hope you read this Lord Jamar.
@sdatkb
@sdatkb Жыл бұрын
Almost anybody who is truly black American can tell you what part of the south your family from !
@the2ndcoming135
@the2ndcoming135 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Blackfoot and Cherokee. That’s the only way I’ll ever acknowledge my Southern roots😂
@tase2-P89
@tase2-P89 2 ай бұрын
Lord Jamar is right.. great work!!
@distantquasar5218
@distantquasar5218 Жыл бұрын
Being the original creator of something, and contributing to something, is two different things. Inventing something means you created it. Contributing to something means it was already established, you just added on to it, and Latinos did contribute to Hip hop like Wht people contribute to Hip hop, but who started hip hop was FBA all the way around period.
@bounceenergydrink
@bounceenergydrink Жыл бұрын
Growing up in Queens in the early 70's I grew up in the early inception of Hip-Hop before Hip-Hop was on radio or wax. In fact the FatBack band out of Queens we're the first to introduce the culture on wax. In Queens we grew up with our Puerto Rican brothers and sisters next door. But honestly, our PR family by majority did not like Hip-Hop nor did our Carribean family, nor did the older ( FBA's) family. Our Pueto Rican family, their choice was Freestyle or Disco music over Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop as a culture was closely connected to the Blaxapotation movies of the late 60" and early 70s. The street culture of drug dealers, pimips, and Hustlers transformed into the Hip-Hop street culture. From the Funk, Soul, R&B, and Disco music you heard in those movies, and then you saw those fashions on the streets. And we in Queens ( Jamaica ) we're throwing block parties outside during the end of the civil rights movement into the early '70s to help people pay their rent, or just keep the kids out of trouble, and with the entire block bringing out their house Speakers on the blocks on holidays in the summer to help the DJ's on the block hold it down with power and sound. Eventually, we were having block party battles, and to have better sound, some of the older teenagers would steal ( borrow ) speakers from where ever they could find them. The concept of using Cerwin Vegas speakers started in Queens. There were two movie theaters across the street from each other, and when I was about 10, I went to the movies with my older family members to watch one of the popular Blaxploitation movies that were out during the time, and the sound went completely out, the neighborhood DJ and his crew, cut the wires and took the speakers, the next day they were on the block with their new speakers winning the neighborhood battles because their sound blew everybody away. This gave birth to one of the biggest DJ crews at the time, who created the wall of sound with multiple Cerwin Vegas speakers, the crew was called ( Infinity Machine Dj's ) sorry Kool Herc and the Bronx did not start the sound systems, and DJ battles, it was all over the city. Hip-Hop as a movement was (labeled) in the Bronx, along with the recognition of the MC, rapping to hype up the crowd, DJ Hollywood, Busy-B, etc. But the culture was all over the city, I can not give the entire birth to the Bronx. And most people did not like or support Hip-Hop they said it was a fade, and would soon disappear. Little did they know it would be the biggest cultural movement ever in music worldwide, and has created more Blk & Brown millionaires and Billionaires than the world has ever seen. Blessings ( FBA ).
@Grimloxz
@Grimloxz Жыл бұрын
I agree with most things LJ saying but them some aspects that I gotta dispute in regards to the Caribbean aspect (I can’t say Jamaican cuz they was mad nuff others) coming up in Brooklyn…. I’m 47 though…. I’ll try and post later…
@jalvarez8204
@jalvarez8204 Жыл бұрын
Cool I agree with most of what u are saying with just a few inconsistencies NOW speak on the importance of Breakdancing nd Graffiti nd the 4 breakdancing movies.u where THERE u knew the IMPORTANCE ND THE IMPACT of Wildstyle nd Beat Street then later the watered down Breakin movies but STILL impactful.Latinos didn't create hip hop but their contributions in graffiti nd breakdancing was VERY CRUCIAL in pushing the genre forward as those 2 elements made it a "Movement" instead of JUST music
@THETRAVELGOD410
@THETRAVELGOD410 Жыл бұрын
I was born 1980 and experienced all but 1 era in Hip Hop! In my home the “ Break In the record” was the point everyone got up and danced! In the Black Christian Church they “ Shout “! I was 5 years old and my first experience was Planet Rock and black togetherness! In the mid 80s we was rocking African Medallions! Black Style existed before the term Hip Hop was termed! “The Funk” existed before the term “ Hip Hop” in American Music!…Black Americans Created The FUNK
@marksimmons5839
@marksimmons5839 Жыл бұрын
@@randee4550 Yep I got ten years on him and still that isnt enough to say I was old enough to know what was going on when it all started in the early 70's. Thats the issue with cat like Fat Joe, They weren't around - as in old enough - when it was started but they flat out lying like they were. You need to be about 60+ to speak with any credibility.
@THETRAVELGOD410
@THETRAVELGOD410 Жыл бұрын
@@marksimmons5839 I don’t disagree on the lack of experience generationally. My Big Cousins were early Hip Hoppers ( Back Spin, Breaking, Card Board , DJ , Etc). All of my first education of the culture came from the 70s. All you have to do is backtrack FBA and (our sound) musically prior to Hip Hop existed! FBA, our Historical Records isn’t in the Government Archives. We created our own Historical Archive threw our music.
@THETRAVELGOD410
@THETRAVELGOD410 Жыл бұрын
@@randee4550 Yea Bro but I was Born 1980 and Class of 1998 🤣 NO DEBATE
@marksimmons5839
@marksimmons5839 Жыл бұрын
@@THETRAVELGOD410 Yes we did, but it it isnt documented better (threw videos or written) cats will try to steal...
@marksimmons5839
@marksimmons5839 Жыл бұрын
@@randee4550 No he is WRONG. Puerto Ricans did not create HIP HOP %50 -%50 with FBA. They we around and they contributed after the fact but it goes no further than that.
@777OGU
@777OGU 2 ай бұрын
You FBA Lord Jamar! Your mother is FBA and you were born on American soil so you are part of the lineage. Plus you got the spirit ✊🏾
@djsalteenuts
@djsalteenuts Жыл бұрын
Puerto Ricans called Hip Hop "jungle" music in the beginning. When it started they thought it was a fad
@joshbrown3060
@joshbrown3060 Жыл бұрын
The whole world 🌎 is influenced by what Black Americans created which is the culture of hip-hop and all the elements in hip-hop. Black Americans created it then the whole world was influenced. Black Americans need to gate-keep and archive whatever we create, (which is a lot) so other won't try to steel it from us. Other people have to realize that they are a guess in (the Black American created) hip-hop and Black American OGs should had gate keep it before letting everybody in.
@Prophet.1
@Prophet.1 Жыл бұрын
Music ,period.
@Rio-uv1gs
@Rio-uv1gs Жыл бұрын
I was a kid in South London when the "Pass the Dutchie" came out and that song was a hit not because FBA made it popular..the song was popular because places like London, Toronto, New York, Florida etc has alot of Caribbeans... So in London it became popular because there there is alot of Jamacians there.
@dugebuwembo
@dugebuwembo 2 ай бұрын
This 👆🏿
@ethanmeans3863
@ethanmeans3863 Жыл бұрын
Moreno like Mayatay is saying what we are we are Moors and we descend from Mayans My GMom from Florida much love and respect for you Lord✊🏽
@markbriscoe8526
@markbriscoe8526 Жыл бұрын
Coke La Rock is known for being the first rapper to ever spit rhymes after teaming up with DJ Kool Herc in 1973 and both are recognized as the original founding fathers of Hip Hop. Rap music was originally underground.
@traviscarter1023
@traviscarter1023 Жыл бұрын
What about DJ Pete Davis in 1968-1971
@DHM_TV-s4k
@DHM_TV-s4k Жыл бұрын
@@traviscarter1023 who’s that Nigga 😂
@TRUSICmusic
@TRUSICmusic Жыл бұрын
I love that you stand on truth and not perception and emotion. Great clarity and much respect good brother. Let’s not forget the political ramifications of allowing others to takeover what FBAs have started/created. We clearly see the agenda of non-FBAs undermining FBAs and usurping resources and power from us. To me this whole discussion has that undertone. Peace to the Gods and Earths!
@PPHDocumentaries
@PPHDocumentaries Жыл бұрын
Not everything in hip hop originated with "FBA." Breakdancing originated in Africa. The oldest Graffiti wasnt done by "FBA". DJ`ing did not start with FBA. While Black Americans were the first to rhyme in a form that`s copnsidered rap, they are not the first to rhyme. Rhyming goes back centuries before black Americans satrted rapping.
@TRUSICmusic
@TRUSICmusic Жыл бұрын
@@PPHDocumentaries everything comes from Africa- duh. But we are talking about modern forms of music and it’s originators. There is a totally different swag that FBAs exude which is unique to us and has heavily influenced the world. From our pain comes the greatest culture the world has ever seen.
@PPHDocumentaries
@PPHDocumentaries Жыл бұрын
@@TRUSICmusic Not everything comes from Africa, that should be Duh but its not. And i`m black btw. Modern Dj`ing originated in the west, and black Americans were not the first to DJ, nor were they the first to DJ with 2 turn tables. They were inspired by DJ`s who came before them and added their own twist to it. Same thing with Caribbeans contributers to Hip Hop. The argument by some black Americans is that everything in hip hip originated with black Americans so black Americans should get full credit for the creation of Hip Hop, but that is false. Some of what you see in Hip Hop originated with other groups, not just black Americans.
@TRUSICmusic
@TRUSICmusic Жыл бұрын
@@PPHDocumentaries I don’t think any black American disagrees about the Impact of other cultures on hiphop. The thing that becomes disagreeable is when people say it was “50/50” or that it was founded by other cultures. It was founded and built amongst FBAs with others contributing- period.
@blackcarbon7854
@blackcarbon7854 Жыл бұрын
Fools! Why are you using language like others. The real enemy is the Caucasian man from the caucus mountains not melanated people! You fools are doing this separation BS just as we are about to make white people the minority in the US
@444francisguy
@444francisguy Жыл бұрын
Puerto Ricans were not THERE they were around. Hip Hop was built over the course of our subjugation in this nation. Hip hop encompasses Jazz, Funk, Blues, And most importantly our unique experience of being black which all these genres of music were birth from. Hip hop comes from the SOUL and we are the SOUL people. None of the elements of hip hop were birth outside FBA culture.
@ronmiller211
@ronmiller211 Жыл бұрын
Great performance in Baltimore Lord Jamal!! Y’all did y’all thing at the Happy Nappy Festival!!
@NichNeon
@NichNeon Жыл бұрын
This entire segment was wisely spoken.FROM KNOWLEDGE TO BORN.
@SoAMAZINmusic
@SoAMAZINmusic Жыл бұрын
Y’all not telling the whole truth when you say “Latinos didn’t fk with Blk music or Black people…”. There were also Black people who didn’t fk with Latinos. There’s always been a segment of both groups who were/are prejudiced towards one another. Neither segment should be used to define the entire community.
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
Than You Fam! All this victim mentality is weak! Peace
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
@@BoricuaNyc exactly and that's sad!
@down-b8197
@down-b8197 Жыл бұрын
During jim crow Latinos fought to be included among whites and said it was unfair for them to be group with Black Americans and have to go to their schools because they were infact white... That's where the tension started between Black people and Latinos. Yall always wanted white acceptance and we rocked with who rocked with us but what we ain't gonna do is act like it was a both sides thing when yall started it.
@djsalteenuts
@djsalteenuts Жыл бұрын
Kool herc was Jamaican but he was influenced by FBA culture. He tried to bring the same sound from Jamaica but ppl weren't feeling it. Disco was prevalent at the time so they wanted a faster pace of music. Hip Hop sounds nothing like reggae
@the2ndcoming135
@the2ndcoming135 Жыл бұрын
I believe it’s referred to as Dub today.
@Leeslaughtr
@Leeslaughtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you big bro for ending this bs. All respect to the participants but it's time to take our creations back.
@mykchek7
@mykchek7 9 ай бұрын
Merging 2 languages in Hip Hop is NOT a Flex..
@jerzydevoos5413
@jerzydevoos5413 Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day i don’t care who was/wasnt there it’s about the culture that was used and being operated under…Every single element is connect to Black America, thats why it’s ours, all of ours. The other groups cant just shoehorn their people in bcus some of them were down and contributing
@alvinjones8628
@alvinjones8628 Жыл бұрын
Like I said and easy to end this debate. We would have this culture if not one Puerto Rican or Jamaican added one single thing.
@jerzydevoos5413
@jerzydevoos5413 Жыл бұрын
@@alvinjones8628 Even the one Herc “provided” bcus there’s plenty of evidence that proves everybody else paid attention to the break part
@OG.FactsMachine
@OG.FactsMachine Жыл бұрын
People regard me as the most efficient debater on youtube when I decide to comment due to the kilshot facts, but let me be clear. I dont say things meaning to break the spirit. I say em to break the chains. I say things aiming force you to see things in a different light before you can even begin to respond. I call it 3D and 4D thinking. Facts Machine YT might have to come soon so we can really have these conversations with each other.
@heru3337
@heru3337 Жыл бұрын
In slavery times a lot of blacks from the United States was ship out to Jamaica for willy lynch to break their spirit, so most Jamaican is technically black Americans this why these two groups are so iconic.
@heru3337
@heru3337 Жыл бұрын
@@I_roll wrong not everyone is from Africa blacks been here long before the Spanish and British came to the America’s.
@heru3337
@heru3337 Жыл бұрын
@@I_roll wrong again we are not African we been here way before Africa we are the atlantians the original gods from the star Sirius b, some came from nibiru, melanin rich people been around the multiverse for 3.3 trillion years, only this modern day avatar body is technically new even though this type of body been around little bit above 500,000 years.
@jamarvenable4277
@jamarvenable4277 2 ай бұрын
I Love How You Put It. I'm not here To Take away but to allow the adding to
@Morales-nt6vi
@Morales-nt6vi Жыл бұрын
Most likely those instigating this nonsense have a vested interest to keep people divided. The one thing I know for sure being born in the bx in 1970 Hip Hop was a FBA or Afro American experience. Being Puerto Rican as I got older it was the streets and school that introduced me to the culture. If anything most Puerto Ricans were influenced and adopted the culture from the beginning. My personal skill which came naturally to me was Djing starting with puase tapes and later on wax etc. Back then in my world it was disco. My own father would ask me if I was Moreno. Now is the time to rally unify and put the hate to rest. Salute!!! Ps speaking spanish is just another language of the so called conquerers.
@SunnyandNova
@SunnyandNova Жыл бұрын
So Fat Joe and Busta Rhymes
@zxcccccc1
@zxcccccc1 Жыл бұрын
Exactly so tell the Haitians they ain't black because they speak French.
@teebee6199
@teebee6199 Жыл бұрын
Lord Jamar definitely FBA!! 💯🖤✊️👍💪
@shotyme2825
@shotyme2825 Жыл бұрын
No the hell he ain't.
@Jason-nb7tr
@Jason-nb7tr Жыл бұрын
He FBA now, once he found out we fighting for reparations..
@AGpublishingVidz
@AGpublishingVidz Жыл бұрын
I had this "HipHop" friend that one day was so disturbed by the notion that HipHop involved Latinos. His Latino co-workers were artists, and it was their inner homie beef.
@pntntim
@pntntim Жыл бұрын
I'm Puerto Rican and I agree almost with everything you have said the only I don't agree is "moreno" is not a bad word. We in fact call each other moreno.
@samaritanmacheteros4993
@samaritanmacheteros4993 Жыл бұрын
That point was ignorant at best deceptive at worst.
@pntntim
@pntntim Жыл бұрын
@@samaritanmacheteros4993 why ? A bad one would be cocolo... hello there's even song saying moreno and morena...
@keithboykin9913
@keithboykin9913 Жыл бұрын
people need to peep the 1940's and see how the actual break dancing kicked off...blues . jazz and the swing era along with the music helped to create hip-hop..it goes real deep..
@jeremiahmillan4487
@jeremiahmillan4487 Жыл бұрын
No we don't. Just b.c ppl danced, or spun on their heads doesn't mean that makes it an origin to anything. Hip hop is a culture with a plethora of things involved by specified people. Particularly the blacks and hispanics in the Bronx. The same way human beings been takin dumps doesn't mean the first person to use the bathroom created anything. The point is Hip hop is Hip Hop by those who said it was when it was followed by the people that continued to perpetuate it. Doesn't mean you have to go back in time to see similarities to say no this is Hip Hop or not. Hip Hop started in the late 70's. That doesn't mean go back to the 40's or go back to Ancient Egypt to see who else did things in variance. Egyptians and dudes in suites dancing on the floor or making rhymes is not HIP HOP. Its a element or aspect of it but its origins stem from inner city americans with big radio's and track suit bucket hats. Thats HIP HOP. Not old dudes in suites and ties and dress shoes swirling around or being poetic.
@complexsoulthegreat
@complexsoulthegreat Жыл бұрын
There is no such thing of one individual creator of hip hop. Hip hop was a multiphasic event that took place during the early 70’s with a lot of things happening in real time at one time. That means one group of people outside of what was considered American Norms, due to their Uniqueness and musical upbringing made what was unorthodox musically, normal to the world. Other groups who shared living spaces with these particular folk then jumped on whenever they did and contributed in their way. However, they did not create Hip Hop on no level. Now, what group of people continue to be the pioneers of music in America repeatedly? The folks that mainstream society continues to rip off and whitewash, well now they're trying to Latino/ Caribbean wash FBA culture. If you came to the same conclusion I did. Then you know who created hip-hop? It was those same folk who created Funk, Disco, House Music, Blues, Jazz, Rock&Roll, modern R&B, Soul, Classic Soul, Neo Soul, Country Music, and any admixture or offshoots of any of these. These art forms represent the foundation of most modern music today and they All were created by, Black Americans, African Americans, Freeman, FBA, colored Folk in America, American Negros. We are known by all these titles/names but the latest name we except is Foundational Black American/ FBA for short. You're welcome.
@maazi.naaniya9158
@maazi.naaniya9158 Жыл бұрын
I still don't know what hip hop is or is supposed to be. In order to take credit away from Jamaicans or a Jamaican people keep saying he was not playing reggae okay fine. But does reggae have to be played for a Jamaican to be given credit? Hip Hop is supposed to be different from disco, it's supposed to be different from Jazz and r&b. So is hip hop just playing some soul music? Why is respeck put on that man' name? If all he did was play some music?
@maazi.naaniya9158
@maazi.naaniya9158 Жыл бұрын
If hip hop is saying a rhyme why isn't pease porridge or mother goose hip hop?
@maazi.naaniya9158
@maazi.naaniya9158 Жыл бұрын
@@WOUNDSOFPASSION no if you know, what you should define it. Because to shut all the 🐂💩 down I'd say Jamaicans did not create hip hop. Black Americans did not create hip hop. Hip Hop is a collection of practices made popular by Black Americans that some Caribbean people including Puerto Ricans promoted and Jews brought to the world
@maazi.naaniya9158
@maazi.naaniya9158 Жыл бұрын
They call him the godfather of sampling
@maazi.naaniya9158
@maazi.naaniya9158 Жыл бұрын
Any way he is before Bronx or Brooklyn djs
@AM-kz3yg
@AM-kz3yg Жыл бұрын
Not for nothing something that brought unification is now being used to divide is regressive and is a black eye to hip hop period. Im Puerto rican and we never claimed to create hip hop but at the same time we took it on to identify us aswell especially to rep NYC as a whole.
@wolf-bearchief3705
@wolf-bearchief3705 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what Busta said, it's not even up for question, black people in NY created hip hop and break dance culture. And the rap influence came from James Brown.
@King-ww1kz
@King-ww1kz Жыл бұрын
It's always about money. With break dancing going into the Olympics. People are trying to get to the bag. So coming up with these lies is the way confused and eventually lie about it's origin. As for the FBA part. As long as you have FBA in your bloodline. You're good.
@RasOneLVNV
@RasOneLVNV Жыл бұрын
Peace what lies?
@jerzydevoos5413
@jerzydevoos5413 Жыл бұрын
See that 2nd part is important…The extremists in the movement trying to exclude Black Americans bcus of some great great grandmother is just showing theyre ignorance. I don’t even pay attention to it
@RasOneLVNV
@RasOneLVNV Жыл бұрын
@jerzy who are the extremist
@jerzydevoos5413
@jerzydevoos5413 Жыл бұрын
@@RasOneLVNV No names on the internet being too emotional or thinking they can make the rules for everybody
@413slim
@413slim Жыл бұрын
They gonna say what they gonna say. But here you have a native New Yorker, someone old enough to remember hip hops earliest days, and a legendary MC telling you the deal. Yes Puerto Rican and Jamaicans may have been around but that was our culture and our creation. If they separate you from your achievements and inventions then you will be left with a situation like rock n roll where if a black man does it people are shocked but it was a time when we invented it and were the only ones doing it.
@Cng215
@Cng215 Жыл бұрын
If you guys don't gatekeep your culture and stop giving it away then 200 yrs from now they gonna say 2pac was Scandinavian and Micheal Jackson was Mediterranean 🤣
@arthurward6997
@arthurward6997 Ай бұрын
Come on Lord Jamar (I'm a fan - OK?). This is the Reparations Standard - 1. Only one line of descendancy from American slavery. That definitely makes you entitled to 100% of Reparations. 2. Self Identification on government documents as Colored, Negro, Black, and African American for at least 12 years before the start of a Reparations program. Fair? The best literature on this is in two books written by the foremost authority on Black Reparations in the 21st Century. Dr. William Darity Jr. of Duke University. "From Here to Equality" and "The Black Reparations Project."
@hazeblak1417
@hazeblak1417 Жыл бұрын
Lord Jamar is FBA period
@ethansolomon6254
@ethansolomon6254 Жыл бұрын
How???
@jainorissolney6669
@jainorissolney6669 Жыл бұрын
All of our music is an extension of our American Indian heritage. Rapping, call & response and the Cypher is from that heritage. Our problem is that we haven't embraced Nationality. Our ethnicity is American Indian.
@boomboombaby9140
@boomboombaby9140 Жыл бұрын
No it’s slave music which are songs in code for information , directions and warnings
@jainorissolney6669
@jainorissolney6669 Жыл бұрын
@@boomboombaby9140 You still believe the Slavery Propaganda. That's fine. This information will be here when you're ready to understand true history and not the revisionist history.
@lakeside321
@lakeside321 Жыл бұрын
@Boomboom Baby unlearn the mental programming .we are in the age of Aquarius. The knowing.
@dugebuwembo
@dugebuwembo 2 ай бұрын
😭 😭 😭
@truthiscensored
@truthiscensored Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jamar, I been saying the same thing. This is nothing but one of those NEVER ENDING debates like the Lebron vs Jordan to divide us. At the end of the day this debate does zero for the community Lastly it don't matter who created it, if we don't own it nor control it (The music part). It is like claiming BET, though started by black man, it is now owned/controlled by them "ish people"
@wilmars9146
@wilmars9146 Жыл бұрын
The nuances is what's so overlooked. In terms of Hip-Hop classic songs : " DANCE TO THE DRUMMERS BEAT " , " GOODTIMES "," LOVE IS THE MESSAGE " all three are all time Hip-Hop classics of the Park Jam Era of Hip-Hop. These songs are not rap songs yet they're Hip-Hop classics. And this speaks to the very essence of rap music and Hip-hop Culture in that when GRANDMASTER CAZ ( CASANOVA FLY ) stated quite profoundly Hip-Hop didn't invent anything but it REINVENTED EVERYTHING! Just think about what Black American People made Hip-Hop that wasn't intended to be Hip-Hop: TIMBERLAND work boots , Sheepskin coats, Farmer Lee's, Shell toe Adidas ect. So now when these FBA movement emma effaz talk about rap was here way before New York City, they reference JAMES BROWN, THE LAST POETS, JOCKO HENDERSON, GIL SCOTT HERON ect to make their inaccurate points but it only illustrates what the essence of Hip-Hop Culture is all about. It takes what's already there and throws it back in your face in a totally new innovative form that the original artists didn't intend or think of. Hip-Hop takes from everywhere not just other music genres but from other fields from film to newscast , Pop Culture itself but the originality comes in the recreation and innovation. From the Caribbean: Latinos ( Puerto Ricans ) were there no question, Jamaicans were there no question. People forget that New York City is the quintessential international city in the world. But the Black American influence world wide cannot be overstated. Black People in America set the standard for just about everything. And whether it's Black American or Carribean, Latino it's ALL BLACK! All aspects of Hip-Hop was created by BLACK PEOPLE. And finally when it comes to rapping itself it's not new , GARY BYRD , JOCKO HENDERSON, GIL SCOTT HERON, JAMES BROWN, THE LAST POETS these bruthaz are forerunners of Rap Music. So for all this bickering to go on about who did what when it all comes from BLACK ANYWAY makes no sense. However it cannot be overlooked that Black People from the Caribbean historically have impacted Black America from the HAITIAN REVOLUTION and it's inspirational impact on the Slave revolts in North America, MARCUS GARVEY came from Jamaica and organized Black Americans and stood up for Black People in Amerikkka and worldwide, STOKELY CARMICHAEL aka KWAME TURE born in Trinidad made a profound impact on Black America so all this debate between Black People in North America and the Caribbean causing division it's like THE HONORABLE MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN born in The Bronx, NYC who himself comes from Carribean ancestry starting with his parents. Father from Jamaica , mother from Saint Kitts said : " WE ARE EXALTING OUR OWN DIVISION ". So the question then becomes....WHY ?
@ruthless6267
@ruthless6267 Жыл бұрын
The Government created Hip-Hop...is the reason y there is no clear individual that started Hip-Hop.
@LionHeart_1111
@LionHeart_1111 Жыл бұрын
Sound system culture comes from JA 🇯🇲 just saying. You can go look and do your research.
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo Жыл бұрын
No it doesn’t.Jamaican workers saw Black Americans with speakers outside doing block parties and took it back to Jamaica
@rblack4211
@rblack4211 Жыл бұрын
Let’s keep it a 💯. You know EXACTLY who is leading this latest divide & conquer strategy. I’m a Guyanese born, Brooklyn raised Black American and NYC is the birthplace of Hip-Hop. NYC is the most diverse city on the planet and to deny the influence of Caribbeans and Latino’s in the creation and development of Hip Hop is insane. Not saying that we created it…..but we were there and when you think about the number of artists in the past (and present) that have Caribbean and Latino roots…..you cannot deny our contributions. 💯
@icebergjay8981
@icebergjay8981 Жыл бұрын
So you want credit for just living in the Bronx at the time? Lol
@therealk-tone214
@therealk-tone214 Жыл бұрын
Attending and creating is two different things
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
Salute!
@rblack4211
@rblack4211 Жыл бұрын
@@therealk-tone214 We did more than attend…..we made Hip Hop better and more global. 💯🌎
@therealk-tone214
@therealk-tone214 Жыл бұрын
@@rblack4211 y’all went global with big pun, and he was the best y’all ever had so cut it out. No immigrant, migrant or foreigner has ever contributed to origins of any genre of American music.
@altravinoobrien1633
@altravinoobrien1633 Жыл бұрын
HipHop Artist's Who Are Jamaicans: 1)Biggie 2)Marcus Garvey 3)Uncle Luke 4)KRS-One 5)Bob Marley 6)Shaba Ranks 7)Farrakhan 8)
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
I thought THMF was Trini?!
@someguyjohn6599
@someguyjohn6599 Жыл бұрын
I do agree this conversation is divisive, which is why we need to question why Busta and Fat Joe felt the need to start them in the first place. Everyone seemed to be on one accord prior to this, so what was their intention?
@dtownblastinsalvi62
@dtownblastinsalvi62 Жыл бұрын
This is a waste of time this is some New York shit no race issue nobody in other states really cares who “started” hiphop all we know in the south blacks and Latinos were lynched or segregated still today, they are still enslaved today and that’s our issues but New York over here arguing about hiphop all I know is that whites weren’t allowed in hiphop and that’s how we liked it here. New York on some bullshit again they are the most drama people I’ve seen.
@carpitclean5762
@carpitclean5762 Жыл бұрын
I'm starting to think the outsiders think we're going to push them to the side so that's why some are going at us like that. Real recognize Real 💯💯💯
@rahhudsoniibey2528
@rahhudsoniibey2528 Жыл бұрын
Spanish Portuguese and Jewish (Sephardic): nickname for someone with dark hair and/or a swarthy complexion from Spanish and Portuguese moreno 'dark brown swarthy' or 'dark-skinned dark-haired' from Late Latin maurinus a derivative of classical Latin Maurus 'Moor'.
@carlwalker9635
@carlwalker9635 Жыл бұрын
I am a FBA who lives in Colombia. I agree with you. "Moreno" is not, usually, considered a derogatory word for black people in Latin America, and I know every country in Latin America from Mexico to Colombia. What is considered a derogatory word would be what Mexicans use as "Mayate." Likewise, "Negro" can be derogatory depending on how it's used. Like in Colombia, "Negro" is even used as a term of endearment for friend's like FBA use "That's my nigga."
@the2ndcoming135
@the2ndcoming135 Жыл бұрын
@@carlwalker9635 pretty much. Depends on it’s usage. Essentially it’s like them saying Black man.
@Mr2000
@Mr2000 Жыл бұрын
To be honest.... this is a conversation that only heads from nyc & Jersey over 50 can have. All do respect.... so if lord jamar says it.... ill take it as gospel!
@AnthonyDRLopez
@AnthonyDRLopez Жыл бұрын
Disco Dream is the song JAMAR and the group is called Mean Machine on the Sugar Hill Record Label. First Spanish Verse and it technically makes the song bilingual in nature.
@deeel5692
@deeel5692 Жыл бұрын
Black Rappers used Mafia imagery from MOVIES and names so now Italians want credit but I thought that Italians didn't want to be associated with the Mafia?
@Prophet.1
@Prophet.1 Жыл бұрын
Hannibal conquering Italy change the face of Italians.
@deeel5692
@deeel5692 Жыл бұрын
@@Prophet.1Not really. There was no Italy. The southern part up to the middle of the place now called Italy was Black.
@IshtarLinqu
@IshtarLinqu Жыл бұрын
Hip Hop was created by me. I started it in 1974. End of story.
@chuperez9355
@chuperez9355 Жыл бұрын
I was there Brodie. That's true🤟🏼
@IshtarLinqu
@IshtarLinqu Жыл бұрын
@@BoricuaNyc you talking about music I'm talking about hip hop culture that gave birth to the music. And the music was done by Al McLamb from Queens.
@aferrer74
@aferrer74 Жыл бұрын
I agree with something he is saying, Moreno means a black person . He just said Puerto Rican was there from the beginning, then was djs. Mcs , Graffiti, bboys. The influence was the West Indians, Puerto Ricans we took hip-hop to another level . As today almost the hip-hop nation are carribean 😂😂 he said 10%😂😂😂 black Brothers want all the credit and the shine 😂😂 u can't do that . Playing that shit that ricans didn't like blacks 😂😂😂 there was Ricans in black spades , darken then the black Brothers 😂😂😂 lord Jamar you crazy .
@normreye7430
@normreye7430 Жыл бұрын
One minute everybody is telling Jamar that there are no guests in hip hop. Now everyone is “Please lord give your opinion” the truth always shines
@macrossluv
@macrossluv Жыл бұрын
A lot of so called Puerto Ricans are black or half black anyway.
@dontdoda1thang564
@dontdoda1thang564 Жыл бұрын
Ain't no myth man..The Blk Spades is always been regarded as the ones responsible for the energy that gave rise to NY street culture later dubbed Hip Hop. Now y'all wanna give a non FBA the credit bc he thru a party & used all the tricks he learned from us
@alstone5005
@alstone5005 Жыл бұрын
King I don’t subscribe to people who know what I know. I subscribed today as a longtime lurker because of your fearlessness to tell the truth and intelligence to speak it eloquently.
@khandibaugh23
@khandibaugh23 Жыл бұрын
Everyone else are "participants" in hip hop. The blueprint for hip hop style and sound was not 50%. The style and sound may have evolved over the years by various "participants" but give originator credit where credit is due.
@urbanthreshold1
@urbanthreshold1 Жыл бұрын
Hip Hop lingo was greatly influenced by the Jazz era. Jazz terms such as Funky, Fresh, fly, Dope, Hip, The Bomb, Boogie, Cool, Chill, Crib, Down by law, Jam, etc were adopted by Hip Hop. Moreover, the break beats and soundscape of Hip Hop were greatly influenced by James Brown.
@BlackMusicGenre
@BlackMusicGenre Жыл бұрын
The finishing topping of this $h!t sundae Busta Rhymes created is that he mentioned that "Americans Have No Culture". I'm like ok. He must've not listen to those Jamaican old heads givin Black Americans their just due, because the Jamaicans back then were listening to R&B and Blues to craft their sound in Jamaica. Furthermore, isn't Busta Rhymes rap name from a former Black American NFL player ?
@lockvegas05
@lockvegas05 Жыл бұрын
Facts ! That why have bigger problem with Busta relative to fat Joe. As you stated that the Jamaican elders told the world who they were copying .
@BlackMusicGenre
@BlackMusicGenre Жыл бұрын
@@lockvegas05 Right. Even Bob Marley kept it real about his music and sonically speaking his influences were Black American bluesmen and R&B artists from the states. I will be the first to tell you that Busta is underrated as an MC. Also , Busta is a 5 percenter . So I know he knows better. He got in mixed company and flipped it .
@TheShop90sKids
@TheShop90sKids Жыл бұрын
Hip Hop is a Black American Culture nothing more nothing less. But I just don't get why it's such a controversial topic to say other people contributed in the beginning. If you're having a BBQ or a house party, and I bring some steak and baked beans and someone else brought the drinks and chips, wouldn't that be the same as contributing? I'm not saying its all of our house party now. It's still yours, people just brought different stuff is all.
@AnthonyDRLopez
@AnthonyDRLopez Жыл бұрын
Let’s keep in mind Jamar is from New Rochelle and I am from Harlem but we are GODs.
@brittanyjackson1589
@brittanyjackson1589 Жыл бұрын
I really think this whole thing was a toxic seed that was planted to divide and conquer as usual. They see us coming together and rising in consciousness and they know how we are and a lot of us are still in the ego and we are passionate about our crafts and creations and our emotions are powerful and can get the best of us. The God lord Jamar and Dane Calloway both touched on it, the ones really benefiting ain't US, so why are we bickering amongst each other?
@tadah21
@tadah21 Жыл бұрын
Finally let's be real our ancestors created every form of world changing music yet we waiting on carribeans to show us how to make our music more palpable to world's youth. FOH it doesn't make sense. Dress like us talk like us act like us try and dance like us yet they created this form of music make it make sense. Love some latins and carribean folks but get it straight the world takes what we create. Not just music but fashion dance political justice (ask ghandi people even though he was racist he modeled his movement behind ours). Clark Kent was disrespectful what has fed him he has disrespected on math pod. Smdh
@sdatkb
@sdatkb Жыл бұрын
If your family weren’t here in the 1800,s and you cannot trace your history to the American south you are something different!
@stephenheath8465
@stephenheath8465 Жыл бұрын
Rican Emcees that I know of Whip,Rubie Dee,Tito,Markie Dee,Kurios George,Fat Joe,Chino Xl,Big Pun,NORE,Cuban Link,Joel Ortiz,Hurricane G,Charlie Hustle
@jamezcold7387
@jamezcold7387 Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day all that matters is who's controlling it and who's making the most money from it we all know who they are
@jamezcold7387
@jamezcold7387 Жыл бұрын
@Hollow Vegeta⁸ well I think the first step is realizing it should be changed I think we have gotten really comfortable with what they have been giving us meaning Millions while they are making billions
@MentalPistol
@MentalPistol Жыл бұрын
@Hollow Vegeta⁸ Easier to argue about things from 50 years ago that isnt gonna change the perception of anything today anyway. Black man distracted once again.
@scaleshenry
@scaleshenry Жыл бұрын
P.E.A.C.E. I seen a documentary about Hip Hop and from that I will say this Kool Herc was an innovator. New York DJ's already had two turntables BUT Kool Herc, playing to a younger crowd, realized the break part of the record is what moved that younger hip crowd. Kool Herc is an innovator because of the demographic he was appealing too it really is just that simple. Creator no! Innovator yes! The problem I have with these non-FBA/ADOS is that they black until they accomplish something, but soon as they do here come the "I am Jamaican, I am Caribbean, I am Nigerian, whatever that means. The easiest thing to be in America is a black immigrant all you have to do is show up say you black and receive resources. Then when you level up proclaim you something different! We not trying to separate from all black non- FBA/ADOS we are FINALLY agreeing with ya'll yes, we are different and very separate! WHITE AMERICA HAS A BLACK AMERICA SOUL! Sorry to all other blacks that resent that. Btw, Fat Joe is a WHITE Latino who grew up poor in the Bronx notice he keeps his hair cut short look at his older pictures he looks just like what he is around saying nigga because he grew up around us!
@MentalPistol
@MentalPistol Жыл бұрын
"They black until they accomplish something"? Lol. So they wasnt black before? Or is it that only black americans are "black." Be clear. If Black Americans own the word black, then understand that were Africans in the Caribbean before they were any in what would become the states. If they thought like you, then you could say you're appropriating them by calling yourself black. Africans ARE the blacks. Remember, black americans are the first or second most diluted blacks on the planet in DNA-wise. Stay humble.
@joshuawisdom9694
@joshuawisdom9694 Жыл бұрын
Whats the difference between an innovator and a creator?
@blacksola5695
@blacksola5695 Жыл бұрын
The definition. Smfh
@ConquerWealth.network
@ConquerWealth.network Жыл бұрын
He is not an innovator. He copied FBA DJs with his merry go round. He did not create that. He got in the news and that made him get the majority of exposure early on and a news reporter called him the father of hip hop and FBA didn't correct the record and it stuck. That is why we are here today, we weren't gatekeeping our culture and music. We got Fat Joe and Busta Rhymes trying to Hijack our culture and we FBA are simply correcting the record and doing some straightening (GATEKEEPING)
@joshuawisdom9694
@joshuawisdom9694 Жыл бұрын
@@ConquerWealth.network he said that he created the merry go round. He never said that he got it from Someone else. Hip hop wasnt in existence prior to herc. The south wasnt even considered hip hop when it started so stop it.
@urbanthreshold1
@urbanthreshold1 Жыл бұрын
If a Jamaican created Hip Hop then what Jamaican artist is the most sampled in Hip Hop? Name the various phrases from Reggae, Dance hall or Jamaican patois that were adopted by Hip Hop. Can you show any Jamaicans rapping and break dancing in 30s and 40s way prior to Hip Hop?
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