That still gives you 200% more braincells than any soldier in a zombie franchise.

@@dmi6101 💀

A teenager literally clears a building better than a squad of these trained goofballs lmao.

That's government training.

@@jamesfreeman7954 no that's just shitty writing

The only thing dumber is that the army, with weapons of mass destruction, napalm bombs, tanks and armored vehicles, was able to lose with slow and rotting corpses. and the fact that zombies that decompose and have bad teeth can easily bite through thick tissue

Because there's so many walkers

@@mohammadsabir7600 Even with that many walkers, they shouldn't be able to easily get to those soldiers because of their speed, and the soldiers should have great aim and more importantly, awareness of their surroundings.

@@TyrantSupremoDarkthink of rain or snow, very weak, a tent does fine but it just keeps coming. In the comics they also broke down, I mean why stay in your job if they clearly suck at keeping you alive and society is collapsing? They know how to fight other soldiers, not hordes of cheaply replaceable headshot only robots

Soldiers are mainly trained to shoot for centre mass, most are not elite marksmen. Zombies can only be killed by headshots or crushing the brain, so firing shots off in to its chest wont do anything. Second big problem, unlike most zombies in the main walking dead series, these people are freshly turned. Meaning they still have (depending on how badly mauled there were prior to death) all their muscle mass. Fresh zombies use 100% of human physical potential regardless of the self inflicted damage it does to itself. Yes, human teeth can tear through flesh and clothing the main thing which stops us from doing the same is our own emotional hesitation and our body/brain limiting our physical potential, as if we use 100% you will seriously hurt yourself. For zombies there is zero hesitation and those walking corpses do not care about breaking their own bodies just to get at you. Also forgetting two Human flaws which the dead do not have, the fear of being eaten alive & self preservation.

Hahaha while a highly trained Soldier with a Bulletproof vest and an M4A1 as Primary and a Pistol as secondary can't

That could be explained by one of the crew members being unknownly infected and turning

​@imaverageatgamesbutimostly3431 that would be my only guess as they didn't knoe it could infect them. Even a simple scratch could have caused it.

@@Mjdecker1234 Yeah, except *how did a tanker get scratched in a completely buttoned up tank*?? The Abrams from the M1A1 model onwards also has Nuclear, Biological and Chemical protection built into the turret and mantlet, with crews also having NBC masks inside.

@@swampfireian41 Yep. Why it's just poor writing cause no way a tank crew will have someone get out of the tank in the middle of a situation for shits and giggle.

​@@swampfireian41 NBC only covers conventional logic. TWD is unconventional especially because it is stated that all of humanity has the virus irregardless of their contact with the undead. Everybody who dies, whether naturally or from zombies and other humans will turn. Same with a buttoned up "Abrams" (it wasn't an actual Abrams but I guess that's what they were trying to show)

Zombie lore is universally reliant on the militaries worldwide being woefully incompetent to work as stories. Which is why they’re always “beaten” off screen.

I feel like the government would struggle at first since the police aren't supposed to just open fire on the people with life threatening injuries walking towards them but once the government figures out that it is zombies and becomes aware of how the zombie virus spreads they would be really good at dealing with zombies. Imagine what even a single artillery piece could do to a slow moving hoard.

yeah agreed, maybe if they were fighting world war z zombies or dying light volatiles, hell even left 4 dead, but slow moving twd zombies?

Well one thing about the TWD that is consistent is how inconsistent the zombies are first few episodes had them running, jumping fences and trying to use door handles. Maybe they ran into a random group of amped up zombies...i guess.....

​@@alphaisdank42069l4d, wwz, 28 days/weeks later, tlof, makes sense. A new virus that infects in seconds can overrun multiple parts of the globe. With twd... it's just pretty dumb...

@@Chippaization Nah, the writers just needed the army to lose so the plot could happen.

Its not incompetence, its fear and being swarmed by dozens of undead cannibals whose only motivation is to tear you apart slowly while your still alive. Also, remember only clean headshots work. Not every single soldier is a Hollywood commando type expert marksmen, capable of pulling off perfect headshots under pressure. Only think you might also be forgetting is the zombies in that building are recently turned meaning they have all their muscle mass still intact (based on the wounds they suffered before death) Until living Humans, fresh zombies use 100% of Human physical strength, with zero hesitation or concern about the damage they do to themselves in the process. You are at a serious disadvantage if you end up in hand to hand combat with a fresh zombie.

The show explained it was mostly young kids with little experience, many having barely slept in days just protecting their safe-zones and patrolling. Couple that with a highly unnerving situation and dozens of hostile combatants that never stop charging and don’t die easily, and it’s plausible for them to lose like this every now and then. They said most of the actual soldiers were protecting air force bases.

@@KovoriaTheConquerer 1) I can forgive the "it's young kids with no experience" argument because the show takes place in 2010 and most of our guys would be in Afghanistan and Iraq... *that said...* even these newbies would be drilled like crazy. The US military is the most capable fighting force on earth, to the point when *one* guy breaches that conduct it's huge news... so inexperience doesn't automatically translate into losses. 2) TWD is just... badly written overall when it comes to stuff like this. The submarine webisode is a major example of how bad it is to this regard, as well as the more recent "Ones who Live" series that has the CRM just... kinda... ignoring the fact they can technically get rid of the super herds because we saw the Commonwealth do it using fire bombs... but then that contradicts how in Atlanta they used napalm to almost no effect... Yeah, it's mainly bad writing.

@@dfmrcv862That’s not true. The US has the largest military in the world, but the quality of the military is not as high as a country like the UK.

@@coochieman7887 Oh, yeah, the country that can't even afford a tank fleet has higher quality troops than the US. Let me guess, you read that *one* training exercise that had the UK's troops win against US troops and forgot about everything else?

@@coochieman7887that’s subjective. What’s not is that US infantry units spend more time training and are allocated more funds and resources to do so than any other military in the world

in all movies,games,comics and novels i watched,played or read. Wwz novel is something so different. This probably has the best world-building in all zombie works

No, they didn't... it took them years to adapt to the point they could get the logistics in place to retake the eastern half of the US. There are some contradictions here and there, such as them succeeding in clearing out parts of the West Coast, and the "Alpha Teams" that aren't very well explained, but overall it takes the military a while before they "adapt". World War Z is a pretty good novel overall, but the research regarding the US military was probably one of the worst-researched parts of the novel and it's infuriating going back and reading how artillery and concussive force of bombs are against the zombies but a bat or axe works just fine... because I guess getting hit with a bat or axe is more powerful than the blast of a bomb (and before you mention, I *know* Todd handwaves it with the "no snt effect" line, but if it doesn't work with bombs or artillery then it shouldn't work for melee weapons either).

@@dfmrcv862 Isn't there that zombie in Japan that took a golf club to the face and didn't care?

@@datnoob4394 Not exactly. It took the thin part of the club, as that "bent around it". The Japanese Otaku is noted to have found a katana that worked "just fine", and the blind old man arc he's using a normal stick to end the zombies that bother him. Then there's the line from the lady who "ripped its head off" regarding a zombie that grabbed her daughter, and the mercenary character who makes a point that they use melee weapons because you "feel good" with those, and you have to wonder why the shockwave of thermal explosions does nothing, the pressure at the bottom of the sea floor does nothing, but a regular bat does.

@@dfmrcv862 I guess it's upsetting because it's not explained but it is acknowledges that the zombies don't always make sense. Like them coming back from being frozen aswell

I think how the breakout begin also contributed in how the military will fight. All of us are dead begin with bite only virus and begin in one town only, so the military can react fast. Most of zombie apocalyptic setting stated either the virus spread fast at beginning or it start at many place at the same time.

Pretty much every other piece of zombie media does the same thing.

One soldier is from San diego

this, this. exactly fucking this. god its so underwhelming. i gave up on it when the white blond old chic keeps patting troy on the head after he got his ENTIRE FUCKING COMPOUND killed

In this show anyone who dies regardless of how they die becomes a walker. Now, they could present problems in closed spaces but out in the open where most of the fighting appears to happen it shouldn't be as big of an issue unless people just start to commit mass suicide.

In general a zombie apocalypse like this wouldn't make sense in the first place.

Yes - ironically Sean of the Dead was the only one I saw which showed them as half competent and able to regain control of the situation

@@I3igI3adW0lf I forgot about that but it still doesn't work great without some widespread mass casualty event to boost the initial numbers

@@drpompo True, however, if I remember correctly there was some attempt at explaining it with mass suicides because people were convinced it was the end of the world. Also, a lot of people die every day so if they happened to be infected when they died they would have come back as walkers too. Even then, I don't think it would be enough to cause the world governments to collapse like they did. Perhaps if it happened at night but that would only cause an initial surge that would be quelled once people could see more clearly in the daylight. If they were runners it might be a different story though as they would be far more difficult to hit.

But even there their victory was short lived as then Dawn of the Dead happens

@@49mozzer The remake or original?

More zombies then bullets probably. That seemed to be the issue in WWZ in New York. They hammered them with everything they had but they'd just keep coming.

@@49mozzerthey just walked into the building 20 seconds ago, unless they’re firing full auto at every zombie they should have enough ammo on them to drop a few hundred relatively easily

@@JakobWasTaken__ If they are aiming for the head then yeah but they aren't trained to do that an they probably aren't aware of the fact that that's the only way to kill a walker so odds are they're going for centre mass an likely only realize that isn't working about a magazine in. Also they likely wouldn't hear more of them coming up behind them over the sounds of battle an I doubt they'd have someone watching the rear when they have a horde bearing down on them

​@@JakobWasTaken__ One in the chest , Two to the chest, three to the head. They could have figured this out extremely easily

@@49mozzer they should have someone watching the rear and had this been day one of the apocalypse sure i could say they didn’t know but by now they had figured out only headshots work I believe. Also how many bullets do you put center mass without hitting the spinal cord and dropping them? Or realizing it didn’t work and go for the head.

@matthewserrano4048 Yep - and the Soldiers also didnt used their 50cal MGs (from the Humvees) & they also didnt used their Grenades. Those Combo would shreed a Mob of Walkers (maybe it wont kill them - but it would destroy their Legs or Body. So at the End : You just need to move in, and give everything which still move a Headshot) 😉

@@StarmercGaming I know right? hahaha thats why i didnt even last for like 5 episodes after that, I just decided to yeet

And Left 4 Dead too, dont forget that! But other than those 3 properties, this is humilating.

Good god no!

Back when watching TWD when they come across the giant quarry full of trapped walkers I was like “why not just toss a few Molotov cocktails in there? Big fire, walkers burn up, more see smoke and come walking in, just manage it.” The other part that killed it was how long does body or brain remain viable after death? At some point, I’d think a couple weeks, the brain rot would put down a walker

That raccoon is adorable

To be fr, in a real life scenario even without any air support, The Military should be able to clear the building. I mean the walkers aren't like world war z zombies who are fast and agile. so i wouldn't consider this being a difficult task for a bunch of highly trained and armed dudes.

​@@TyrantSupremoDark In the real world, if something like (F)TWD would ever happen (Minus everyone being infected. Let's say not everyone is infected but only bites can infect a human), pretty much any Military force- especially the USA, can easily take the zombie threat out, no matter the size of the zombies. Real logic will immediately tell the US Military or any Military force to aim for the head to kill and not just go ballistic on the body. The Military would quickly learn in probably a matter of minutes, if not seconds, to aim for the head for a 1 shot kill. Plus, in the real world, people know about zombies. A zombie apocalypse, especially (F)TWD zombies, will fail because our knowledge about all kinds of zombies to aim for the head and the real Military will immediately learn and get the word out to aim for the head. And before we know it, everything is back to way it was. People will still be cautious (I know I would, I'd carry a gun with me). Plus in America, the dead would have to deal with gun owning civilians. And gun owning civilians would also quickly learn to aim for the head, especially if they have any knowledge about zombies. The only zombie apocalypse I can see the US Military or any Military force struggling with is WWZ because fast and agile zombies, Left 4 Dead because of variants that can destory a helicopter, Dying Light because of variants as well, possibly the Last of Us (Since it can be airborn pretty much everywhere, especially in dark damp places) and... I can't think of anymore. Possibly Resident Evil? Anyways, the zombie apocalypse will fail with the real world Military

Because the writers hated the military and made them evil and incompetent.

​​@@TyrantSupremoDarkI think people really overestimate fast and agile zombies, when hundreds of thousands of soldiers in WW1 were charging full speed faster than Olympic runners towards trenches and still lost to outdated machine gun lines, landmines, barbed wire, artillery and mud.

At this moment, people only really assumed that the walkers were dangerous cannibals. They didn’t think of “aim for the head” or “don’t get bitten”, moreso, “exterminate the crazies”

That’s more reasonable than “we lost because zombies walk fast.” But even that has a ridiculous script to it, like hey we’re the government so we’re good but order is to kill literally everyone else just to be sure. I feel like that wouldn’t quite happen even if the chain of command breaks; seems like it’d be easier to just see if anyone is infected when you come across them

fair, but theyre shooting on sight with those zombies with headshots

In the comics they called them zombies at least once

That doesn’t explain anything in the slightest. Even if the military weren’t aware of the concept of zombies, they would be aware of the fact they’re slow walking and possess no weaponry, so don’t get close. And if they get too close for comfort you shoot.

World War Z gives a better reason to why the military failed. They failed because every military thought that the zombies were just traditional enemies that they could win against with conventional tactics. Thus why disasters such as the "Battle of Yonker" happened with all the pointless spending of resources and the total breakdown of social order that followed after such heavy losses as it was broadcast live. But it is quite foolish for any post-apocalyptic show to assume that the government and every of it's assets would totally be gone in a few short months just like that.

@@davidshepherd8917that can’t chose if they get close or not they are in a tiny enclosed space

That’s the first season, one of the last episodes of that season.

Dude, the military had never heard or seen a zombie, in the TWD universe there is no reference to zombies before the outbreak, in other words, they didn't know what they were really facing.

@@nataliamendoza3640 Regardless, you’d think highly trained soldiers that adapt to combat situations would figure out how to deal with slow moving targets can still die to a bullet to the head. The military in world war Z managed pretty well and their zombies could sprint and form massive hordes. What’s the excuse for the military in this show? It just looks like the writers wanted them to be as incompetent as possible because the plot demanded it.

@@CactusCowboyDan The zombies in WWZ are different than those in TWD. In the movie WWZ there were already references to zombies, and that's why they already knew how to kill them. in the WWZ novel the military and the government were inept with the zombies during the first months. In TWD no one knew what a zombie was and they didn't know how to get rid of them. read the novel WWZ.

@@nataliamendoza3640 Again my point stands. Regardless of existing knowledge of what zombies are before hand, a trained military is supposed to adapt and learn quickly in combat situations. So in the TWD they have no excuse to not quickly figure out how to deal effectively with slow moving targets that can be killed with a bullet to the head. I’m not reading any novels. Because I don’t need to.

​@@nataliamendoza3640 The other people in FTWD and TWD seem to have no problems adapting to the zombies.