Federal Punch vs CCI Stingers

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Жыл бұрын

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In this video, we collect data and test the Federal Punch up against the classic CCI Stinger in Clear Ballistics gel. Punch is touted as a fantastic new round to make 22LR a more viable personal defense option, especially in short barrels. Stingers are the classic super high-velocity, pack-a-wallop rimfire round that can take care of varmints and other critters with ease.
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@grumpyoldvet2304 Жыл бұрын

I was a victim of an attempted car jacking and defended myself with a Walter P22 with 10 rounds of Federal Punch. All I can say is it did what it was supposed to do. I’m alive to type this comment the other guys…not so much. Unfortunately. I’m sold on the Federal Punch. It saved my life.

@Darthdoodoo 7 ай бұрын

This fake message was Brought to you by the makers of this product 😂😂😂

@petemitchell6788 7 ай бұрын

And then you woke up and had a rough time urinating.

@texasjourneyman207 7 ай бұрын

Did the police take your fire arm during the investigation?

@frankedgar6694 7 ай бұрын

These detractors should come with me to the range. My Beretta M9 provided a very tight group 15 round group at 5 yards. Imagine how those 15, or in your case, 10 rounds would stack up at car window distance. Like the 45 versus 9mm, the 22 versus 9mm, has less recoil meaning back on target immediately. My little old granny wife has the M9 at her desk for home defense. I’m betting her life on it. And if 15 rounds aren’t enough, she’s got 2 more mags to send your way. FYI, she’s a shoot til you go down, not an empty the msg kind of shooter.

@XtraplusP 6 ай бұрын

Respect ✊🏼

@johnw4999 Жыл бұрын

The Stinger has always been considered the gold standard in .22 LR “defensive” ammunition. Looks like that title might go to the Punch. Good to see the .22 evolving over the years. Truly a fun cartridge to shoot, and can be very deadly.

@hopewilliams6705 Жыл бұрын

You should try the CCI Copper 22 it is awesome and very accurate out to 75 yards

@kennygp2004 Жыл бұрын

Both are definitely good 22lr rounds. I carry a Ruger SR22 with cci segmented hollow points and feel confident carrying this in the hot AZ summers. Beyond Seclusion on YT did a video on the cci segmented hollow points and the results were really impressive.

@BillB23 Жыл бұрын

Even 36 gr. round point will do the trick. Shot placement is everything. That said, if I carried .22LR for self defense I'd be loading one of the two cartridges showcased in this vid. Every little bit helps.

@LKaramazov Жыл бұрын

@@BillB23I’m of the opinion at this point that MANY of these .22 rounds provide excellent defensive protection. 40 gr Minimags target rounds for penetration, Aguila also makes several reliable rounds. Inside my house I wouldn’t want the blast of a .223 probably, but I might end up there in shtf despite myself. .22 is extremely accurate and, after seeing so many of these videos, I think it works just fine.

@alphazulu9stormer770 Жыл бұрын

The punch was designed and tested to be fired from a 2 inch barrel 22plinkster has a good video explaining this hot round now I want a RugerLCP 22Lr

@squibload58 7 ай бұрын

More people are carrying 22LR handguns. These are useful videos. Please post more 22 LR ammo comparisons.

@KevinAdams-zr6bz Жыл бұрын

I have many boxes of first year manufacture Stingers from 1975. I still have 9 boxes left from what I found in a 30 cal can I put away decades ago and forgot about. Every year I shoot 20 rounds from what is left to see if they are still reliable. So far 100% ignition and full performance compared to recent production Stingers. Because of that, for long term storage I stick with Stingers for the proven longer than usual shelf life for .22LR. I also have a few boxes of Sears .22LR ammo my Dad bought in 1980 give or take a year. Few of them fire and if you pull the bullet, the powder literally looks and feels like grease. That Sears ammo is a good example for what I usually expect from 45+ year old .22LR ammo. Just thought y'all would find that interesting.

@joaoleaolyrio9217 2 ай бұрын

tenho ainda 14 Stinger . 22 de quase 30 anos, uso na Beretta M21 pra viagem . . .nunca mascaram ! I still have 14 Stinger bullets. 22 of almost 30 years, I use it on the Beretta M21 for travel. . .never failed!

@gregmannos Жыл бұрын

Would have never guessed the .22 would still be an evolving round.

@scottydouglass1892 9 ай бұрын

Growing up, my buddies dad had a really good friend that worked at cci. He had a 5 gallon bucket of stingers at all times. I can't tell you how many small furry/feathered/scaly things we killed with stingers. Coyotes to fish. Badgers, gophers, rats at the dump. That is a great round.

@natejackson4791 Жыл бұрын

Nice presentation that shows .22 is useful if you use proper ammo. Thanks for sharing.

@Kurtdog63 Жыл бұрын

On small game, the impact of a CCI Stinger is legendary. It almost turns a standard .22 into a .22 mag. We got a permit to remove some large nuisance birds that were leaving a mess on playgrounds. We used pellet rifles, and subsonic .22 all the way up to Stingers. There was no comparison to the "crumpling affect" of 1600 fps.

@bryanoliver5550 Жыл бұрын

It`s been a - while , good to see you back . great video coverage , I liked the Punch performance today , both are great .

@russelraven7004 Жыл бұрын

A 380 performance video and a 22lr performance video in one day. Thank you Thumb and 8888.

@ThaGVPSon 9 ай бұрын

Love 380 for carry

@LifeisGood762 Жыл бұрын

Wow! Federal knocks it out of the park again! That punch seems so well engineered, as do all their self defense rounds. I carry HSTs.

@kevinroberts781 Жыл бұрын

I to! Punch in my SR22 and HST in my p365. I almost never carry my P365. Great firearm. I just never practice with it so I don't carry it.

@ThaGVPSon 9 ай бұрын

@@kevinroberts781I'm thinking of buying a p365 to replace my ruger lcp max.

@JSE2015 Жыл бұрын

Good information. Thanks for running this test.

@jasonbyassee7541 Жыл бұрын

I can remember using CCI SGB ammo for squirrel hunting. It’s an all lead flat nose round. It made a crazy noise THWAP when it hit its target.

@steveambrose2349 Ай бұрын

You got it. I’ve got my share of the round too. Good stuff!

@willo7734 Жыл бұрын

Wow, the Punch continues to impress me in almost every caliber I’ve seen it in. The 9mm is great too.

@whereswaldo5740 7 ай бұрын

Didn’t know it was in any other caliber but 22.

@mwhad9991 4 ай бұрын

.22 WMR, .22 LR, .380, 9MM, 45 AUTO, .40 S&W, 10MM AUTO, .30 SC, .44 S&W SPL, .38 SPL. Yeah they make a lot.@@whereswaldo5740

@Gubbae 9 ай бұрын

dude. thank you for taking a torch to the blocks so its actually clear. its takes the mold of the plastic wrap it ships in and so many channels don't bother to do anything about it

@Ja2808R Жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation, Eric has always been great at demonstrations. Looking forward to more on the way. Clear and concise results shown.

@KCinAbq 6 ай бұрын

I put some PUNCH though my SR22 this week. Ran SUPER smooth! Thanks for the video!!

@captain142-zn5tc Жыл бұрын

Great comparison and I find the results pretty amazing. I never would have imagined that out of a pistol the Federal punch would have a better wound channel than a stinger! Great video with good practical information.

@TJtoho 8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the excellent video. Just bought a new Keltec P-17 and after watching ur video I decided to get the Federal Punch ammo instead of the CCI Stinger 👍

@redryder8622 Жыл бұрын

Love that shirt! It’s amazing to see how the punch compares to the stinger. Good job putting this together.

@normanmallory2055 9 ай бұрын

Great test ! I have fired the CCI Stinger for a lot of years now and it performs well ! The Federal Punch is a new round for me and I haven’t fired them just yet !

@jarink1 Жыл бұрын

As with any defensive ammo, make sure your ammo of choice will function and shoot reliably in YOUR gun! This is doubly true for 22LR since they are often not the most reliable when it comes to feeding. I can't find any information about the Punch ammo, but Stingers have a longer than normal case and OAL. It probably won't matter for most 'defensive' guns, but I have seen warnings for some guns with match-style chambers to NOT use Stingers because of the case length.

@AK-ky3ou 3 ай бұрын

Same case length, same company now, they likely borrowed the design from the stinger.

@nv8409 Жыл бұрын

Excellent ... looking forward to the next one!

@oldcoastie2637 Жыл бұрын

Great video, looking forward to seeing the slug gel test. Thanks

@suncoast1977 Жыл бұрын

I have measured the velocity of the CCI Velocitors out of a 2 inch barrel. It is the same as the Punch and The Stinger. The Velocitors are a 40 grain bullet and may be more effective.

@time-yt2cz Жыл бұрын

thank you for the video. with all the current events going on these days its good to see you again

@RickNethery Жыл бұрын

Good testing. They are both good hot rounds. 👍

@Swishersweetcigarilo Жыл бұрын

I kept a 10/22 with a bx25 magazine, flashlight and stingers in the corner for my girlfriend when I worked 3rd shift. We sleep upstairs so if someone ever made it through 2 locked doors hopefully they'd make enough noise for her wake up, get behind the book case and aim that thing at the fatal funnel aka long hallway at the top of the stairs. She's shot it enough to know how to clear dud rounds or malfunctions in the dark.

@MrWilk_Firearms Жыл бұрын

Great informative video!!!

@TexasEskimo Жыл бұрын

THANKS for solving my puzzle Eric! I already have some of each. I just loaded 2 BX25's for my Ruger 10/22 with the Stingers and 4 Glock 44 mags with my Punch.

@normanmallory2055 7 ай бұрын

Great test ! I use the Federal Punch as of two years ago ! The CCI stinger has been around since 1977 it’s a good round but it doesn’t group as well as the Federal Punch !

@FatBikeRacer 4 ай бұрын

Wow, they have done a nice job designing the Punch, best of all worlds.

@electrochubb 8 ай бұрын

Great test of some impressive 22 ammo...Thanks sir.

@cj4freedom856 5 ай бұрын

Fun video to watch, probably more fun to make, anyway, after watching the impact to the gel blocks I was surprised at how much more impact shock the 16 inch barrel delivered over the pistol barrel. The Stinger seemed to win out on initial shock caused to the gel block when fired out of the rifle. Great job showing the differences.

@trentonfiffia8063 10 ай бұрын

Finally ive been looking for videos that gel test .22lr and .22wmr out of short barrels for defensive/hunting reasons. I keep my sons revolver loaded with federal when we are out in the woods and I've used it to kill a hog from about 15 yards with federal punch straight between the eyes drop instantly siezed up and died within about 30 seconds so thats what ive carried ever since and out of the rifle always CCI stinger. My woods gun is a MP 2.0 in 10mm

@Mikiemike0051 7 ай бұрын

Great informative video! Thanks for the content

@offworlder1 11 ай бұрын

I use 9 mm Federal Punch in my EDC, got it on a good sale and very happy with the performance.

@wickflexin 6 ай бұрын

Awesome review! Cci is a staple in 22lr but that federal punch was impressive out of a shorter barrel too.

@philipfreeman72 9 ай бұрын

Good test THANKS !!!

@johndoee3850 8 ай бұрын

Excellent job. Thank you

@stevewalker4638 Жыл бұрын

Good information,thank you sir .

@clinkerclint Жыл бұрын

That was a really interesting video. I like the stingers for barn raccoon control. They dispatch so much faster than a regular round without as much of the passthrough ive had with solids or even minimags. Looks like the punch would be great pistol ammo.

@vitodelorto1796 Жыл бұрын

I carry an airlite 357, because i like the size, lack of weight, especially compared to a large amount of energy delivery. That said, .22 shaming is a gun snob activity, based in zero facts and science. 22s are kick ass for what they are, which is micro, lightweight, extremely concealable, and extremely affordable.

@pcpolice7937 Жыл бұрын

Well Said

@BrianWalshTV Жыл бұрын

Great video guys

@jeremiah7855 Жыл бұрын

Sweet video thanks I can't wait to get my hands on the uppercut but just like punch in 22lr and wmr it took months before it was in my area or online

@NEW.EMPIRE.NETWORK 5 ай бұрын

After 100's of study, we settled on your channel. Authentic, to-the-point data delivered from an impartial highly respected veteran - This is why we follow - New Empire Approved ✅

@charlesreediii5083 10 ай бұрын

Great video, interesting results.

@pulldeauxduck2480 Жыл бұрын

Many Thanks,Erick 👍🏻👍

@gentrydebbie1040 Жыл бұрын

I have Both and have not tested so Sure Glad you did test them Thanks Eric .My P17 will work close i promise .

@misterfister7262 Жыл бұрын

Something to remember, clear ballistics gel doesn't show wound tracks as well as organic 10%, so these are even better on actual tissue 😎

@jasonb7878 8 ай бұрын

Very interesting. Never would have thought this would be the result.

@gradyfuller4880 Жыл бұрын

Love videos like these. You could do a whole sub carry gun ammo series or mouse gun series

@jasoncastle4818 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting Eric, funny I caught this video on a break at home been working on my property have a Ruger Wrangler loaded with the CCI stingers., So I had to watch this immediately LoL might have to pick up some of the Punch ammo looks like pretty good stuff also.

@swordsman3000 Жыл бұрын

always a good watch with 8888 .22 'rules' in effect -pretty much no 22 opens up out of a pistol -pretty much all 22's open up, fragment, or deform in some way out of a rifle -the performance difference is usually so small that the only thing that really matters is 'Does my gun like it ?"

@LKaramazov Жыл бұрын

Well put. I was wondering if those stingers will cycle a 15-22.I’m about to just commit to .22 with good ammo for home defense. I do t wanna be near the blast of a .223 inside my house, but if the threat a gaggle of zombies, i might have to go there.

@Paelorian Жыл бұрын

You don't want a .22LR to expand out of a defensive handgun. If the ammo expanded, it wouldn't be useful for anything larger than a squirrel or rabbit. .22LR lacks penetration. Although almost no available .22LR rounds expand at handgun velocities, they do not all achieve similar penetration. Federal Punch is the deepest penetrating .22LR round and the only one that penetrates 12" in gel even out of a 1⅞" snubnose barrel. It's consistent. The flat nose of the bullet should also cause slightly larger wound channels than the typical round nose. .22LR penetration has always been marginal. If relying on it to defend your life, it's important to choose the best round. Because most .22LR rounds underpenetrate when shot through a handgun, and Federal Punch doesn't, it's worth buying. With all "mousegun" handgun cartridges, careful ammunition selection is important to achieve minimum penetration standards from typical short handgun barrels. With .380, .32 ACP, and .32 Long, most non-expanding ammo will penetrate adequately, but expanding ammo won't. With .22LR, .22WMR, and .25 ACP, only the very best premium rounds designed for handgun use will consistently penetrate adequately (to FBI spec minimum 12" in ballistics gel). With .22 Short, no available round will penetrate adequately. Even though there isn't a great difference in velocity out of a very tiny barrel like a NAA mini-revolver, .22LR is a much better performer than the Short because it has rounds like Punch that can decently penetrate. Underpenetrating rounds can still kill easily if put in the right place, but they also run the risk of not penetrating deep enough into the body of an attacker to stop them from killing a victim. It's happened many times. You want a round that can sink deep enough into the body to do damage. It might need to break through a bone or pass through a large amount of flesh to disable an attacker.

@cheeseburger3119 9 ай бұрын

Maybe try a pistol caliber carbine.

@anangryranger Жыл бұрын

Interesting video. Many thanks for the information and review of the two cartridges. 👍 I wasn't too surprised by the penetration differences between the two weapons though. I still have half a box of Stingers from the late '80's, as well as some current production. Both are dynamite on armadillos from my old Glenfield Mod 60 22LR. Yet from a 4 3/4" single action revolver not so much...

@mak9956 9 ай бұрын

Marlin model 60! My first firearm! Loved it! It did run stingers quite well! Still my go to rifle round! Punch from my handguns from now on though! We’ll for now anyways!

@meanman6992 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see y’all shooting and testing and not just talkin. In a revolver I’m not so against .22LR, no go for a semi IMO though due to rimfire.

@ryanfletcher317 10 ай бұрын

Very interesting results!

@minivanman007 9 ай бұрын

Very nice video. I didn't expect the pistols would have greater penatration. Thanks.

@user-cg1ni7ub9i Ай бұрын

Marlin has been making the 39 A for years and I fell in love with one my Dad had borrowed from a friend when I was young. As I grew up my Dad bought the Ruger single shot breach loaded in 45-70 which he gave me when he bought the Marlin 45-70 and I inherited it upon his death , I had the barrel cut to the shorter version and installed the modified lever that allowed you to spin the gun under your arm and load another round into its chamber. I bought the stainless steel version when I moved to Alaska and had taken moose and bear with this gun

@madewithscraps 8 ай бұрын

I always appreciate you informative and interesting topic videos. The one thing I like is you are not opinionated. For example; when you gently mentioned that some people wish to carry a 22 for self defense and then gave positives for that subject. Many other videos are bias and over opinionated, sometimes offensive to some viewers. Thank you for your passing along information's to us viewers.

@jaredfuller1729 5 ай бұрын

Hey Eric, Nice shirt! I thought that was quite funny. Great video. Keep up the good work, brother.

@chriscurtis83 Жыл бұрын

Both me and my GF use 22lr punch in our daily carry. We are very confident in the ammo. Also we have never had a dud so QA/QC probably is higher than stuff in a loose box.

@zekethefishgeek8690 Жыл бұрын

Excellent point... same here on duds...

@lordaresthefirst 11 ай бұрын

So glad someone I respect did this! I was torn...

@williamwilliams7706 9 ай бұрын

Good info, thanks.

@throatpunch4789 Жыл бұрын

That mushroomed punch out the 16 inch looked AWESOME!

@pentrus4781 9 ай бұрын

Both are great rounds. Different solutions to different kinds of problems.

@kevinhbutler Жыл бұрын

The flat surface on the end of a bullet is called the meplat. The bigger the meplat, the better the hydrodynamic shack transferred into the recipient body as displayed by the Punch cavities.

@chuckhaggard1584 4 ай бұрын

What? The reason why this bullet has a flat point is to help insure straight, nose forward, penetration, nothing to do with the BS made up terms you are misspelling. RN bullets tend to yaw, which cuts into penetration depth.

@johnwilburn8319 3 ай бұрын

I think you need to learn a little more?

@chuckhaggard1584 3 ай бұрын

@@johnwilburn8319 what?

@bobpiec Ай бұрын

I am considering a .22 cal. postal for target practice. This has been very helpful. Thanks.

@hopewilliams6705 Жыл бұрын

This is awesome but I really wish y'all would have included the CCI Copper 22 !!!

@mikeholley4488 3 ай бұрын

OMG! Rimfire finally has a nice defensive round! The Punch is incredible.

@kennygp2004 Жыл бұрын

@kevinroberts781 Жыл бұрын

I carry a SR22 as well. Having practiced with this firearm for thousands of rounds I feel absolutely safe carrying it.

@zekethefishgeek8690 Жыл бұрын

So in an H²O filled milk jug... The Segmented Bullets leave a center exit hole with 3 radiating holes around it... and also EVERY time too...

@semajniffirg230 Жыл бұрын

Those segmented 22's will not pentrate enough or do enough damage on a big dude to shut down the central nervous system or take them out of the fight quickly. Your much better off with the cci stinger or federal punch.

@coreymoyers Жыл бұрын

Try a LCP max with underwood ammo.

@ThaGVPSon 9 ай бұрын

@coreymoyers thats a badass gun for concealed carry lots of firepower that you can carry in your pocket comfortably and well concealed

@Juuuuug 11 ай бұрын

great as always eric !! looks like I need some punch in my mags

@looneylenny87 26 күн бұрын

Thanks for the info. Great to share with the wife.

@randystockton624 9 ай бұрын

I been stocking up on the CCI stingers 10.00 for 50 rounds... haven't shoot them yet...now I don't regret buying them and looking forward to shooting them...

@sushytacos96 Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah this is a good 22 data point!

@garyhill3369 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, very interesting results. Indeed. I too believe in Stingers, have for decades. The most effective, best element of the Stinger is sadly no longer present. When CCI decided to end the PentaPoint projectile, it definitely changed the wound channel characteristics. Still an excellent job for the task it's asked to take on. I am impressed by the Federal Punch in .22LR. Wicked twisted flight of injury from a pistol!!! Wow. Appreciate the info and share. Great work and presentation.

@KevinAdams-zr6bz Жыл бұрын

Would you happen to know when they dropped the PentaPoint?

@USViper 11 ай бұрын

Currently the 22 LR ammo that strikes the best balance of bullet weight and muzzle velocity to achieve the greatest power is CCI’s Stinger 22 LR Ammo. This round has a 32 grain CPHP bullet loaded to a muzzle velocity of 1,640 fps. The hyper-velocity Stinger cartridge boasts a whopping 191 ft lbs of muzzle energy. It furthermore remains supersonic past 75 yards, so it delivers an impressively flat trajectory.

@jerrybobteasdale Жыл бұрын

Looks like one should expect a Stinger or a Punch to tumble at lower muzzle velocities. So, a short barrel or long distance will lessen chance of mushrooming, but will increase the chance of tumbling after impact. Either thru tumbling or mushrooming, you get more tissue damage.

@joaoleaolyrio9217 2 ай бұрын

I still have 14 Stinger bullets .22 LR of almost 30 years, I use it on the Beretta M21 for travel . . . never failed ! 😮😂❤

@SAMSUN21 9 ай бұрын

Excellent video

@deejayimm Жыл бұрын

Definitely got to get Federal credit for the punch, every video I see, it looks impressive.

@levioakley3950 6 ай бұрын

Haven’t watched this dudes videos since I was a kid, glad to sees he’s still making relevant content

@Prodefense 8 ай бұрын

USAF base defense, m4 5.56, Beretta M9 9mm (Now Sig M17 9mm), Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 12g. Three basic weapons and calibers. We used them, the cops use them, ammo will always be found for these. Good share Johnny. 👍

@johnpower8356 Жыл бұрын

Excellent! I have done extensive testing with these two rounds with long and short barrels with the same results, I also like aguila interceptors solid points out of my 20" browning they mushroom in a wate

@johnpower8356 Жыл бұрын

Water jug. Deadly around 200 ft/lbs, similar to velocitors, good enough for medium game such as coyotes

@StratRider Жыл бұрын

hurray for gel videos🤠😎

@mikecollins622 6 ай бұрын

I like watching your videos, you respect the affordability in othes financial status. I'll be watching mire in the future, as I clean my Firearms. VERY VERY educational, love it!, don't stop. The burn offs? Kick ass.

@ferg5147 Жыл бұрын

Love the vids

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Finally, the IV8888 videos we all were waiting for...

@awadheshkumar1420 5 ай бұрын

Nice comparision

@freedombuy4672 Жыл бұрын

nice review, thanks bro

@SteveMartin-zc7qs 9 ай бұрын

Looks like a great ballistic gel comparison between two fine 22 cartridges.

@chrislang5659 Жыл бұрын

I got a chance to do an accuracy test yesterday using Winchester super X vs CCI quite. The CCI was much more accurate and very quite! Using Grandpa's Stevens Buckhorn rifle!

@RDCards Жыл бұрын

Great job

@jamesstratton4488 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@jimwright3465 Жыл бұрын

Great video more like this one please.

@anim8torfiddler871 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the demonstration and analysis. Impressive results! So, option for backpacking for minimum weight --> AR-7 with Stinger or Punch rounds sounds like a decent choice.

@ThaGVPSon 9 ай бұрын

In a survival scenario the stinger or punch out of a rifle could take down larger game like deer or hogs with a head or neck shot at close range. Iv read the most popular round for deer poachers in Texas is the 22 magnum because it's much lower report than large rifle rounds but packs enough punch to dispatch big game.

@Kevinj36541 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@breckfreeride Жыл бұрын

Tippman made my first paintball gun... Loved it

@jaywalk6628 10 ай бұрын

Tested both for reliability in my Ruger sr22 3.5" barrel. 100 rounds of each, Punch had zero failures and Stinger had one failure. Both are reliable, in my opinion.

@miker9043 Жыл бұрын

Nice test ! both do a great job so id just run both and stager them in the mag !