Excellent! Noise music is certainly great for catharsis (and has been my go-to during the pandemic, probably). Anyway, I'm glad to hear this video was of interest. I've bookmarked your channel, and I'm going to check your pieces later tonight.

I bet it sucks 🤨

@@Chevroletcelebrity Yes, Noise music sucks, thats kinda the point.

Hi there Kevin, a bit late, but what’s the title of your album? Would love to hear it!

The phrase “noise music” actually makes very little sense. It’s either music, or noise. It can’t be both at the same time. Saying “noise music” is the same as saying “apple pear”. (Which one is it? An apple or a pear? Can’t be both.) The definition of “music” is tones that are arranged in a structural manner and played with certain tone intervals (scales). It also needs to have an element of rhythm in it in order to be called music. This is why white noise alone can never be referred to as music. Noise created from feedback loops can therefore never be seen as being “music”. It’s just noise, nothing more. However, that doesn’t mean that it can’t be artistic. It can still be explored and manipulated in interesting ways. But from a scientific point of view, the term “noise music” makes no sense whatsoever. Noise is noise and music is music. If it doesn’t fulfill the criteria to be music, then it’s either a tone or just noise. Just like in this video. Resonant circuits and feedback loops can often create tones; that is not music either since there is no element of either rhythm or tonal structures. In this video, you can mostly hear noise with the occasional tone here and there. But there is no music in this video.

Thanks. That all sounds like great stuff! I really appreciate the range of different things people out there are doing, from the cheapest DiY to the most ridiculously expensive studio gear, everything can be part of the creative process. Cheap stuff, though, definitely has the added bonus of accessibility for mor people!

Very cool. That's a great journey! Of course there are lots more ways to make noise. Check out here too: kzfaq.info/sun/PL7w4cOVVxL6HfT-FoqQ1ukW2G__l0fTr6

Glad to hear it! I got really much more into noise music over the last couple years, and these videos have been a good opportunity for me to sort out my own thoughts non it too.

Cool! Let me know how it turns out. Feedback is a little different in digital. You don’t get the same self-oscillation, since a digital loop with no effects is theoretically perfect (unlike analog). But there are definitely ways to make things happen.

Absolutely! Thanks for watching!

Thanks. Great idea about the scope! I have a cheapo one in my Eurorack, but I should really get a nice desktop one for demos like this.

Very cool! I've actually just today been messing with running a drum machine into the mixer while feeding it back. It's not really a no-input mixer anymore, but a nice bit of feedback. When the balance is right, you can still get a lot of the original sound coming through too. Hope your song comes out well!

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Absolutely! Also free to do in Pure Data. I've got a video that I'm working on with a quick walkthrough/demo in Logic. Stay tuned!

much needed reminder you can do virtually anythin in a DAW. who likes touching instruments anyways

So true! I believe I've shaken my addiction in recent months (back to doing digital noise nonsense), but that threat looms ever-present!

Cool! Sounds like fun!

the idea is to use what you already have, or get a 10 dollar shitty mixer and a 10 dollar pedal used

I haven't done it with this particular setup, but, if you have the inputs on your mixer, you should be able to run the external sound in, and then use the other input(s) for the feedback loop--to resonate that input. The trickiest part is going to be the levels! It sounds like you don't want it to "self-resonate" (you want the sound to die down after triggered), but you need it to give a satisfying enough reaction to your input. Let me know how it turns out!

@@SimonHutchinson thank you so much! I will definitely let you know how it turns out!

hey simon - quick additional question: would the external sound in function like a granulizer based on when the input channel is accepting sound? (adjusting level up and down creating the granule?)

I do this wish the fx channel on my mixer. By putting the feedback loop return on its own channel you can vary the amount of feedback return as well as other channels input into the fx loop by varying each of their fx output

@@d.dukat_music So what happened? I don't have a mixer but I have the same question, after watching this video. (To make a feedback with a softer external sound, also from a synth...)

I've never had an issue, but I suppose there's a chance that you might. The mixer is working at line level, and the pedals might not be ready for anything except an instrument-level signal. Check your manuals!

I think I've had the Mackie for almost 10 years. I don' use it for no-input mixing all the time, but it's simple and it's a good little portable mixer.

@@SimonHutchinson nice nice. i appreciate the info. you are saying you dont always use it for non-input mixing but it is capable machine. they seem to occupy a particular slice of the industry. i appreciate the help