What I dislike about female custodians is that GW said : um achtually there have always been female custodians!!!! And now anyone who dislikes female custodians is literally hittler. Also, the only reason they did this was so they could appease Amazon executives with a new girlboss.

Thank you for explaining your opinion clearly and providing the example of the space marine. Instead for crying for diversity and inclusion without any reason, other than ‘because’. Your argument for the non-necessity of female space marines was well explained. And also, for the most part, fits the Custodies as well. I too believe that retcons, if done well, can only enhance the standing lore of the setting. But there in lies the problem. The ‘if done well’, part has not been GW strongest attribute. Going as far back as the Necrons, GW fiddling with the lore has been passable at best. And in the case of the primaris and femstodies disastrous. Let’s look to another franchise that has had many retcons. With many of them also being terrible, but the one I’ll highlight was actually good. The MCU (marvel comic universe) for the longest time, up to just before the release of Iron Man on the big screen. Nick Fury, director of SHIELD, was white. But then they chose to have Samuel L Jackson take that role. It was inspired, and really added depth to the character. Now let’s look to the lore change for the custodies… does adding female custodies do the same… No, in fact it takes away from the Sisters of Silence. As you stated when discussing the possibility of female space marines. Them being a monastic order of brothers with the Sisters of Battle being their counter part. So to the Custodies have the Sisters of Silence. To change the custodies lore now just to appease the obnoxious minority would be a disservice to the Sisters of Silence as well as going against long standing lore. And saying that there have always been female custodies leads to the issue of… well where have they been for the last 10,000 years. (In the kitchen?) Finally I have to disagree with you on the lack of female representation in the game. There are already many strong females across all the factions that have that binary distinction (Orks and Nids excluded of course)… although I’m not sure about these new Necrons. There entire regiments of the Imperial Guard that are wholly female. ( read about them in a Ciphas Cain novel) so in the end. I like many others will rightly sneer at any one who decides to field female custodies. We’ll still play against them of course, and complement them on their paint job if it deserves it. We will even graciously congratulate them should they win, but we will never accept female custodies. Unless of course they bring out the strip-stodies models for them like they had with the Emperors text to speech youtube series.😂😂😂

6:15 This is not true. Human are physically superior in a number of ways.

There is another reason all Primarchs and Astartes are male: The Emperor was male, so he has an XY chromosome. So his genes can't possible make female Primarchs without a mother, and thus the genes of his Primarchs would be incompatible with females.

i personaly thunk that the emperor created the astartes as a combat unit and as a helper troop to run the empire (hence why the ultramarines love filling tax forms and why the thousand sons where made twice) but ultimatively they where never ment to procreate to a larger number than required. also theres at least a tiny chance of transexual space marines wich would make them female but i guess not in the way the most agressive proponents for femstartes want them to be.

Didn’t it originate from the codex? But then it got leaked before the codex was out and GW had to clarify on twitter?

@anothernerd6464 The story was leaked from the codes with no context. We didn't know how or why there are female Custodes now. Then they "clarified" on Twitter, but the way it was done was to say they've always been around. This was a mistake for 2 reasons, the first obviously being that people who were concerned about the overly nerfed state of the Custodes were explicitly ignored in favor of clarifying a lore question. Second is that in clarifying, they made the retcon cannon over social media when they could have also left the question unanswered and taken more time to flesh out a better reason than "they've always been here, we just haven't mentioned them."

Yup, social media is a terrible way to update the lore. Im looking at you sea of thieves mysterys. They were both terrible

AKA: The JK Rowling method.

It'd be a funny way to do it tho

Just have both.

It's not so bad. They never took anything away from the Sisters of Silence or really gave anything to Custodes. They still both have a role to perform and specialise in, and they do it well.

Add brothers of silence!

@@a_lethe_ion I'd rather they respect the lore for what it is rather than shoehorning in bullshit for the sake of political talking points

@@KopitioBozynski you know, not everything is for political talking points, you might disagree but it's pretty arrogant to decide that the side sharing your 'political' talking points is the one not disingenuous just because you want to keep things how they were

lol thanks! I love Sam’s videos

THis was litteraly my first thought to

It is sad that salmonella channel kinda died, but i am glad that there enough people to take up the flag!

​@@KrakDuk sam is a generational icon

@@nolanbaker2360 for real. He’s my hero

Especially when they were never mentioned before

@@brobandit2944 i mean they could easily just make the excuse of “oh they were lost in the warp and the emperor kept the warp hidden and nobody ever knew”. correct me if I’m wrong. It’s better than “oh they always existed we just never mentioned them”

@@mahmoudsalaheddine8358 I agree

​@@mahmoudsalaheddine8358 I would have rather liked one of two ways: 1. The females always existed but their "creation process" is way harder to do during the great crusade and there where like a total of 50 of 10.000 making them an even rarer ressource (and no one wants to be responsible for the loss of such a valuable person) and the Emperor wanted to perfect the project after the great crusade and we know the rest of that story. 2. The Emporer had the blueprint always in his mind but due to his shattered psyche he couldn't tell anyone. Now with opened great rift he can do more (as seen with him helping G-Man out) and gave the blueprint to make them one of those custodes who frequently "talk" to him. Those would give an actual as just "they always existed".

​@@dominikreinhart3457less numerous, focused on secrecy and the Blood Games, being a crazy experiment made after the Emperor took the big sit just like all the many foundings and now Primaris, so if female Custodes are ever explained they kinda go against what the Emperor wanted.

Yeah it’s pretty silly. I really think it’s just that this is a monetizable topic rage baiters can jump on. Ive seen “anti woke” channels that haven’t ever talked about 40K suddenly make multiple videos on the topic. It’s pretty ridiculous and makes the people who have reasonable complaints about the retcon look stupid. Sucks the internet is so reliant on outrage culture now, but it’ll blow over I’m sure. Anyways thanks for watching! I appreciate your thoughts

@@KrakDuk thanks man, love your videos i already subscribe

@@KrakDuk keep doing this great videos

@@MISTERTR-rh9mg thank you! I really love making vids so it’s awesome to see people enjoying them. Huge motivation

Its because of two parts: 1. in minor, this time they didnt just retcon but essentially lied. This is far easier to sell people when theyre not engaged with what GW is doing as simply saying "Look, the company literally lied to us and changed the lore!" is very easy to sell 2. This can easily extend outside of 40k. To those who barely/dont keep up with 40k lore specifically, whether fans of the universe or not. They understand on an easy level the idea of "company injecting female characters into non-female space" and therefor can easily rally behind it. Try talking about what GW did with other bad stuff to people and you MIGHT get a "yea thats shitty" but they wont have any real understanding nor care about it. You can't sell someone by saying that X car has a shitty alternator that will give them problems when they dont really know (nor really care) what an alternator is.

They didn't need to. The Sisters still perform their function and do it well. They haven't lost a thing.

​@@dalemallon2924the sisters are just strictly worse assassins now

@@dalemallon2924 If the custodes project allows the flexibility for both males and females to be inducted then what's to stop blanks?

Amazon wants a female girlboss who can talk. That is literally why they didn't want a Sister of Silence.

​@@KopitioBozynskiBlanks can't be Custodes or astartes due to their blankness interfering with the process . If you're saying why no males in the SoS then that's simply due to their tradition and origins .

I think this is especially a problem with the shield captain. If this was just the unique look of the blade champion it would probably be fine, but the shield captain should basically just be the same look as a custodes guard, but more important looking. And the shield captain also seems more egregious than the blade champion in how light his armor look, like he looks like he’s essentially got the spartan style armor of like some pieces of metal strapped to the front of his shins and nothing else on his legs. Its definitely a little concerning it looks like the direction they’re heading is a lot less armor on the banana boys

Except most models don’t have the conical it’s only the wardens and gaurd and the cloth part has always been big

@@jarlathquinn2628 I'd argue that the cone helmet is a pretty important part of their design because the majority of the custodes fall under the categories of guard or warden, but either way, my main problem is that the cloth is used to reduce the overall armor on the model. Having seen it in person, it doesn't look like cloth draped over top of armor; it looks like he's wrapped in cloth and is wearing individual plates, instead of a full suit. It gives them a more fantasy appearance, which isn't helped by the halberds and plumes. To be fair, the custodes' design is fairly fantasy adjacent, but in my opinion, the new model crosses that line a bit too much.

It's not like those didn't exist in lore, at least function wise as an elite army of the echlisiarchy, it's just they don't anymore because nobody wants to see the church have zero restraints again. You could make that kind of art without violating the canon to my understanding.

What's the 1%?

Haha that’s a good point. But to be fair in 40k a fair bit of 14 year olds on some planets are probably already fighting some horrible monster lol. Thanks for watching the video!

@@CatYah00 a wiggle room, since I'm not a girl and don't feel an inherit need for more female representation. When it's there, and it's done right, I don't care if the Cool Commissar that is leading the charge in this book is male, female, non-binary or a necron in disguise. If it's done right, it shouldn't really matter. I do like, when I'm surprised, as a viewer. "Oh this regiment is led by a hardass, no noes badass lady", but I don't NEED it like some people do >->

@@KrakDuk great job as always

@@kubastachowiak1089 Fair enough but it wouldn't hurt to add more representation to real life tomboys even if they aren't custodes or space marines

Ya that’s totally fair, I think that’s what most people are concerned with. Hopefully they do something cool and interesting with it. I also hope sisters of silence continue to get lore, they’re very cool and have a different niche from custodes. Thanks for watching!

That seems to be the prevailing point of view for most people barring those on the extreme ends of things. Definitely think it could have been handled better. Thank you for watching! And cool, I’m still trying to figure out how to edit audio haha it’s hard for me to tell what sound good since I’ve never really audio edited before

I disagree with the " Lever argument" of having female custodies somehow lowering the impact, lore, or role of the sister of Silence. However I will say, they certainly could had been introduced way, way better.

I dont really see Sisters of Silence being the 'Girls' for the Custodes. Personally I see them more as how they cover the Custode's weakness to Psykers. Adding female Custodians would not diminish their role, nor their importance or style, as without them, the Custodes would be just as screwed vs any daemons or psykery.

Then let’s have Brothers of Silence and Misters of Battle. Those are all female orders, imagine if they said “men were always there” despite them being referred to as Sisterhood the entire time.

@@negativezero8174 Male howling banshee. They exist since 3rd edition

It's so funny bc this description shows the writer dont know shit about human physiology. Getting more T as woman just gonna make you hairy, atrophy your breast, will likely stop monthly bleeding, increase in muscle growth, blood oxygenation, higher blood pressure. , droped voice, male pattern baldness if you're dad had it too etc. See female pro body builders. They're juiced. Also turns the clitoris into a tiny peen. Hormones are fascinating

In that case male custodian would absolutely stomp female one and given the amout of work and resources to make one it'll be a colossal waste. Why even do that? Except for woke points and sweet BlackRock money, of course.

​@@vincentcrow6075 That's assuming the differences between Males and Females are the same between Custodes as they are for us genetically-imperfect normal humans. If they're both genetically perfect, then I can't imagine the gap would exist, or would exist in a measurable quantity. Honestly, it probably wouldn't take that much genetic tampering to swap the roles if you really wanted to. But let's say that's true, and a Male Custodes would be better than a Female Custodes on most metrics: A Female Custodes would still be leagues above basically anyone else. Technique, Equipment, and Experience will in most cases out-perform physical attributes, cause most of the time you don't need 100% or even 50% of your physical potential. You only need to apply what you have effectively. A Female custodes surrounded by a chapter of space marines is still a "Custodes surrounded by fear and dead men." The scale of a Custodes' strength and capability is so ludicrously high, that the functional margin between the sexes would likely be negligible in comparison to anything that isn't near or above a custodes in power level. Which, if we're being honest with ourselves, is anyone GW wants. (Remember the Harlequin bullshit.)

@@Adelie_in_Grey I dont think the gap would exist either tbh. As far as my rudimentary knowledge goes, muscle mass accumulation is heavily based around testosterone, and females simply dont have enough access to it in context to our current biological evolution. I think those limiters would be removed through the process of being Custodi-fied, with the female phenotype having full access to testosterone during development.

@@Adelie_in_Grey oh yeah, that's exactly why custodes retire if they aged to the point where they got slower by 0,001 second. Let's just make them slower and weaker from the start)

Never mind the numerous testosterone producing organs implanted into them. They'd just be transhuman transmen

Absolutely, and honestly, if they ever do that, that's how I want them to do it. Hulking superhuman murder machines basically no different from any other astartes aside from just a few slightly more feminine head molds and whatnot. No huge changes or anything, just an extra little cosmetic option for those who want it.

Unecessary fat? They go with being a woman.

My personal headcanon: You can turn girls into space marines, but that literally doesn’t matter because space marines don’t have functional reproductive tracks or secondary sex characteristics Which would imply that space marines are actually genderless, but are referred to as male because of cultural reasons

@@jocylinfrancis930That is exactly how I see it too

Haha I appreciate the kind words, brave may be too generous I just felt a lot of the discussion around this skipped over some points I found interesting. I hope the videos not too polarizing, I was a bit disappointed that most discussion about the topic was just name calling and stuff like that so I wanted to share some interesting ideas about it. Thank you, I’m glad the videos feel more professional! I feel putting out vids helped me grow a lot faster than when the channel hadn’t launched I was just practicing. Plus I’ve gotten some great feedback from people. Hope to keep improving and making the videos as good as they can be👍 Thanks again for watching my videos!

The first to call names was GW themselves.

@@KrakDuk honestly i really loved this. there is so many angry videos about this and no nuanced ones. its like no one wants to touch it for risk of being labeled bad or a bigot or something. so thank you for having a well thought out opinion and expressing it. this is the first video i watched from you and i have to say love it. the art is fun and adorable which makes it all the funnier its for grimdark setting. while the script is well thought out, witty and informative. keep up the good work!!

Ya it was handled vertically strangely, the tweet especially seemed to rub people the wrong way. I just hope they do something interesting going forward Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed

This is done all the time in 40k lore. Half the time they introduce a new model it's just something that was always there and just not brought up before.

in the guard there is only one gender: meatshield

That's probably old lore by this point. It feels more like most Guard Regiments are mixed and male only and some female only ones. The first Cain Novel came out like over 2 decades ago so I wouldn't take any world building from those at face value.

While that is stated a lot, notice how most guard stories follow mixed regiments. Narratively mixed regiments are more interesting and while they may not be the majority, they are clearly a common occurrence.

@@sdyrt_09 Most people that can wield a lasgun semi competently can join the PDF while guardsmen are very good soldiers.

Ya I pretty much agree with all your points. I do like how the change subtley kinda shows how the emperor gave more attention and care to his custodes as opposed to the marines

@@KrakDuk I see Custodes debate more along the lines of the physical aspect of males and females. Males are physically stronger than females in bone density and muscle mass. Plus you need a source of testosterone to help make those muscles grow. You can create a far stronger male Custodies then a female version. In order to get a female to the same physical strength as a male would take far more resources to accomplish this. In lore it has been stated that they are a Brotherhood of Demigods. The 10k Custodes are also only from the noble houses of Terra. Noble families would willingly give up their sons for the honor of becoming a Custodes.

As a sisters of battle fan it always frustrates me when people call them female space marines because they serve entirely different purposes in both lore and gameplay and comparing them makes little sense Also I find the lack of female space marines would not be so bad if literally any of the female dominated branches had as much care and screen time put into them but they don’t primarily due to the idea that they are less powerful and thus less cool then the masculine symbol of the space marines Also there is nothing to the existence of being a women that should disqualify her from being a space marine women and men are structurally and in dna almost exactly the same and this is only talking about the avg women and men which we know space marine candidates are not. I imagine the transition process would pick similar traits in candidates not matter what and then completely eliminate the rest. In trans warhammer spaces there’s an idea that space marine itself is both an occupation and itself a new gender put in place and the he/him usage is just the same way boats get called she which I think is very interesting in a series which mostly brushes off gender because it doesn’t want to think about it. Something I also found reading the books is that even in the background non wartime sections women are by far the minority which I know just means the authors simply did not think about how it would look or thought that having a Strong Female Character makes up for that lack of background because sometimes when I read a book and women are like at most 10% of the characters I can only think things that have terrible implications for the setting that makes it hard for me to root for those trying to keep the status quo. Almost all explanations for why women can’t possibly be space marines almost entirely rely on limited notions of sex and what women are like the process involves growing to like 8ft and gaining just so many organs women aren’t inherently predisposed to reject that process because of lack of a dick it makes 0 sense unless you view gender as the unscientific notion of women and men have completely different everything and nothing can cross ever when current views is that women and men are broadly more the same then different and any individual woman or man will have many others of the opposite gender that they will have much more in common with then others of their own gender. It makes sense to me that there are female candidates they just get forcemasced when they transition because they now serve the patriarchal machine of the imperium And this is only from a cis perisex perspective Tldr; I understand for this one sorry: sisters of battle have never been treated in lore the same way as space marines and saying they’re just female space marines is disrespectful and the view that the process of creating a space marine is only for men involves a view of gender and sex thats incredibly limited

​@@reverendofprimordialvents3985sisters of battle aren't the flagship faction because they don't sell as well as space marines. Like it or not, 40k is primarily a dude hobby and so a brotherhood of enhanced super vikings, or Mongols, or knights etc... will always be more popular than space nuns. Your whole headcanon about space marine being a gender is just flat-out wrong. The genetic enhancements from Geneseed come specifically from the primarchs, who themselves derive from the emperor. Malcador suggested to the emperor that he put in extra work to make some primarchs female, but the emperor insisted on all of the primarchs being his sons. Not children, sons. Even if the capability for non-men to become space marines existed, it simply makes no logical sense. Geneseed requires testosterone to work with and change a space marines body, which is normally supplied by male puberty. To create a female space marine you would not only have to find the aspirants much younger to preemptively block puberty, you would then have to spend more testosterone to get them on the same level as a man. There are no female or trans or whatever new nonsense space marines because you are spending more time and effort to get less results.

@@reverendofprimordialvents3985 Behold the actual quote from the Codex. "It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable." To view gender and sex in a limited capacity is the core of 40k. You wanting the imperium to be inclusive goes against what 40k is. There is no Hope, there is no future, there is only pain and suffering. If you want a trans space marine, then play on the side of Chaos with Tzeentch or Slannesh. For only they care about your gender.

Ok, so I guess everything I like is canon.

@@corvus_armatura7595 its warhammer, have fun with it. A perfect example is Malice, rn he is dubiously canon, but most folks treat him like he exists just because the idea is so interesting!

@@cyrusmann5443I don't even like Vashtorr but I adore the idea of the Dark Mechanicus being their own thing and striving closer to the Interex rather than just stuffing demons inside daemon engines.

My personal headcanon for Female Custodes is they're actually Tzeentch Daemons who infiltrated the Golden Bois to Spy/Sabotage them (explaining the nerfs) Am I correct? Probably not in the eyes of GW, but since everything is canon, that's canon now

@StarDevilRedrixsWhisper that's a pretty common idea among people in this community. I said everything is canon because gw officially said it once. Have a nice day bro

Ditto

Sure but you have to admit how they did it was lazy and not interesting at all. Can you imagine if they had been forced to turn sisters of silence into custodies because they were losing to many and resources had gotten to thin. Just something more than their no lube approach

A lot of longtime fans I know barely know how to pronounce Custodes and Adeptus lmao But honestly, I think the split would be pretty close to 50/50, aside from what could mostly be a cultural reason There is no reason that, when you're taking someone from birth and changing them completely and utterly, that you'd find better stock in men. Men only get stronger after puberty, before then, it's pretty much equal. It's kinda the same reason that I feel female astartes isn't all that far off either conceptually, really the main complaint of not having female astartes is the lack of representation in the actual media being produced, kinda just relegated to the sidelines. Sisters always playing second fiddle to someone, etc. The amount of novels of space marines is just way too many in comparison to the other factions tbh. That's always been the operative problem.

@@aaronmontgomery2055 "Sure but you have to admit how they did it was lazy and not interesting at all?" They were introduces the exact same way most retcons are: through a codex story. Custodes have also not been around on the tabletop for a while, and their lore presence was minuscule until 7th edition. All they did before then was stand around and make rare appearances, and that's me being generous, and even now, they have a tiny amount of characters. The only reason some people find it strange is because to most people, custodes are just big, golden space marines.

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Are we saying GW does their retcons well? Lets compare to "good" retcons like the dwarves. At least they gave us lore and reason. I simply want GW to give me good reasons for things instead of their lazy approach live with the rogal dorn or even the primaris. I can at least accept the primaris as they gave me some type of lore and reason but this and the rogal dorn are just lazy.

Yeah the models looked like shit so they sold like shit. Imagine if they looked better and sold well. The 40k universe would certainly look different.

​@@Kiyokoghurtthis was in the 80s, the nerd demographic back then was almost exclusively dudes in basements who were relentlessly mocked by the women in their life. No shit they wanted to play as super-powered men and not super-powered women.

The lore was also not as well defined at the time, but that was part of it. It was also probably because it was just easier to make male only marines. At one point in time half Eldar marines were a thing… so yeah… times have changed

It was a proto sister actually, the metal tab says sister and they were sold as 'female adventurers'. Nor that it would matter anyway because rogue trader lore is so diff it's basically a different game.

​@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandlestill do

Thank you! I appreciate you watching Ya I love the leather pants custodes model lol. Thanks for the insight on the faction though I didn’t really know the time frame of their updates

Yeah the handling is definitely my biggest issue with the retcon Anyways thank you for watching!

Weren't they first hinted at in echos of eternity?

they were introduced in a book, just because you saw it from twitter doesn’t change that

@@ce5122 which

@@gergelyosztrogonacz9464 it was in the adeptus custodes codex in a short story about a blood game

Oh well I do hate boobies ofc🤣 But yeah I definitely think this is just an easy and monetizable target lol. Seems things are getting blown out of proportion. GW seems to forget about gray knights often so they should be fine haha, poor gray knights fans having to use marines the size of guardsmen…

1. The emperor had erda, also he had more important things to do than sex and the point of the 10,000 wasn’t just to have a bunch of male dude bros and another bunch golden sexdolls 2. Custodes are not space marines for the 1 millionth time 3. The only speculation to this was from a 4chan post which I wouldn’t really say is in good faith a a majority of Amazon’s adaptations have been good as they have people who care about the IPs working on them which is why for every rings of power there are fallouts, the boys, and invincibles which are all widely popular series with fallout probably being the best preforming and truest adaptation we’ve gotten yet Besides any decisions being made is only made through cavil which directly contradicts the idea that “cavil would leave the show” because of Amazon’s plan for female custodes and if anything if it were true the idea for female custodes would be his own as to avoid another Witcher he guaranteed hiself total creative control over the show meaning any decisions on how the show will go are made by him and him alone

@@karlwes6273 That's the thing tho people are afraid of another Rings of Power and Witcher situation

@@Dr.Mlieko seeing as cavil has full control over the show and hes the single biggest nerd on earth, we’re gonna be fine

"Why would Tzeentch do this! what possible nefarious plan could he be pulling off?" Tzeentch, eating popcorn alongside Big E: "I told you this would be funny"

@@thecookiemeister5374 Big.E. "Just don't tell Malcador. "

Right but why would those be gender specific experiences

@millanoire This person isn’t saying that these should be gender specific, they’re outlying the “against all odds” trope by pointing out the differences of trans-human monsters destroying shit, versus a lightly armored un -augmented warrior doing it and actually winning. Not sure if you just typed this just because and didn’t comprehend what you read.. This person is just saying that they think sisters of battle are cooler because they do the same shit Space Marines do, but they’re baseline humans. I personally think that that makes the story much, MUCH more engaging. This has nothing to do with “gender specifics”. There are stories of regular men and women throughout the lore doing the same thing.

Would you feel the same if say, the sisters of silence turned out to be much stronger than the custodes, and the power gap between the two were similar to the power gap between astartes and sisters of battle. Would that make you like the custodes more or would that just make you upset? More generally, would you accept a force of OP females coupled with a force of less OP males?

@@bleesev2 This is exactly what I think the issue is. People can circlejerk the sisters for being underdogs but they still just want the females to be underdogs.

I think that’s a fair perspective. That one I can see getting excused as some planets just having naturally stronger people, something like catachan. So that alone wouldn’t be enough to discount female space marines for me, however it does work as an additional fluff reason. Anyways thank you for watching!

@@KrakDuk about female custodes though, I would've been fine with it if it was done 10-20 years ago. The reason why many people aren't happy with this is because it is a change done for outside political reasons Whilst in a vacuum it is fine, I do have worries about Blackrock and vanguard and the whole DEI thing because it led to the ruination of things I used to like Luke skywalker and han solo emasculated by rey. The hulk emasculated by she hulk, the way katara was handled in the new avatar show, captain marvel ETC Changing the custodes to have females in their ranks smacks of diversity and inclusivity pandering which is frankly insulting because I am not a mouth breathing ape who just goes "hee hoo has tits ima buy" As for representation, well frankly its a mostly male hobby so it'd be fine for there to be male only factions. Instead of changing the space marines or custodes, why isn't there build up for the sisters of silence? Sorry for slamming this thousand mile long comment / response. You just seem reasonable and I think I could have a civil discussion with you instead of being immediately called a neckbeard or a gender traitor

@@raptorimperium5757 tbh idrk about the meta factors/outside influences much since I only really care about the lore and in universe stuff so I can’t really speak on those aspects. I’m just hoping they do something interesting with the change. One of the writers has been wanting to add them for a while iirc so hopefully he has some cool plans

@@KrakDuk yeah it's a good idea to avoid the outside politics at least if you value your mental stability. But the only time people mention male sisters of silence/battle is when they're called out for only wanting representation in the boys clubs.

@@KrakDuk my worry (and the worry of the counter-group) comes from the fact that these outside influences will continue and not stop, because they never stop (my examples being star wars, marvel movies and comics, indiana jones and apparently witcher went down that route) . they will keep on moving the goal post until eventually what we do like about warhammer becomes ruined as much as I respect ADB (the writer you are referring to) I do feel like this position is putting down the sisters of silence (kinda like what you said) and frankly it does smell of agenda I wish IRL politics wasn't involved, but that's the unfortuante thing. it has been FORCED into warhammer from what I can see. (by the way do you have a discord? just in case if you don't want me to fill your chat with this entire thing)

Exactly, if they gave us an actual reason or story element as to why they were being added in, I feel that most people who were put off by the change wouldn’t have cared… at least that much. Instead they just made a retcon that a high schooler could write circles around. This is proof enough that the change was never meant to enrich the lore or move the overall plot forward, it was just meant to push an agenda. They could have done something really cool here with the lore… it’s a shame.

@@Random15738I think people are thanking the twitter to seriously, like it’s one guy who runes the account and who is not even a writer or lore master, also I really dislike the idea of “changing/improving” custodes in modern 40K unlike the marines custodes are ment to be the best emps could do without the chaos god and the warp. There should not be a way of changing how they’re made without cheapening their lore way more that what femstodes doses. The retcon was probably the only way they could have gone without craping all over everything the custodes are. Just to add on, we rarely see custodes in HH or 40k and it’s not like they define every single ones gender when we see them so in retrospective femstodes could have existed without much problem.

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@@rajabalitaji5289 but see that’s the thing it is outlined pretty clearly that the stodes were only guys. They’re referred to as a brotherhood in codexes, as “these men” in a direct quote from the emperor, and they’ve only ever been referred to as “he”, “him”, and with male names. To say that femstodes have always existed and were just never shown because they were always in the background is an issue in and of itself. They should’ve just left it alone

That’s fair, I took it as a compromise with the assumption they’re doing it to avoid female marines. I’m also less familiar with the custodes fandom than I am with the marines so perhaps I underestimated how much the gendered aspects played a role. Thanks for watching!

@@KrakDuk it does very from person to person.

I agree with you here. The inclusion of female custodes isn’t necessarily a *bad* thing, it was just unnecessary and changes the flavor of custodes as a faction. They don’t have a “brother-sister” relationship with the SoS anymore, now they just feel detached. I liked the McDonald’s analogy. I also agree with your take on the lore going forward. It never ends when any space is given, they’re gonna keep pushing for female marines until they get em eventually, the female custodes isn’t going to be enough.

Personally I like the change. I'd like to see your thoughts on this personal perspective. The Custodians im pretty sure were made to be an example and pinnacle for humanity, right? Each one is basically a living legend in deeds and actions, and the point the Emperor had with them were to be the leading ideal of what Humanity can do. They are not only some of the best fighting forces the Imperium has to offer, but also the peak that people aspire to. With that perspective I feel having both male and female Custodes make sense so all of humanity can look at these heroes and be inspired by them and pursue that pinnacle of perfection they represent. Having them only be made of males feels... Incomplete in regards for an example of Humanity. There are many male and female heroes and role models throughout history after all. And yeah Sisters of Silence exist but they are not only not Custodians, but also Nulls and Blanks, which literally extrude an aura of the exact opposite. They CAN'T do that even if they wanted to.

@@Kiyokoghurt I see your point and you’ve got a good one - peak human condition across all levels and all that. The thing is, custodes were never meant to be seen as heroes of the imperium (their secrecy speaks to that pretty well) like the space marines or certain guard members, or even as generally peak human beings. They were meant to be the guardians of the emperor and to achieve maximum human capabilities with the help of augmentations. It’s no secret that men are physically dominant (see historical records, sports, historical army compositions, etc.), that’s what they evolved to become. They’re taller, have denser muscle mass, heavier, are naturally more aggressive, and so on. these would be the ideal base for a guard, even if the guard is heavily augmented. If you start with a physically weaker and less aggressive base for a guard, which would be women here thanks to evolution, hormones, skeletal structure, muscle density, and so on, you get a weaker guard. Simple as. Since the custodes were meant to be the peak of humanity’s capacity for physical capability, it makes sense that they would only be men.

Hey thanks for watching. Sorry if I made any lore oversights. Perhaps it’s just that I’m more familiar with marines than custodes, but I never really picked up on the custodes being super monk/orderly knight-like like the astartes. Is that how they are portrayed? If so my bad, I haven’t really read any dedicated custodes book. I’m mainly into the guard. As for the lore reasons I mostly wanted to focus on the idea of preventing a trans human take over and geneseed issues, both of which I don’t think would really apply to the custodes unless I’m mistaken. Always happy to learn more tho, thanks for pointing these things out!

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@KrakDukthey aren’t for the most part they take things from both monks and knights but not as much as the marines and females custodes would 100% work in lore and some small stuff but small stuff really doesn’t matter and since we in retrospect don’t see many of the custodes it’s not like we just missed them they just didn’t need to show up yet(in universe anything that needed a custodes we for the most part had important ones not that all aren’t important just too the story not so much)

@@mandothemandalorian2392 I believe why so many people think the custodes have a brotherhood/knight motif stems from the time when custodes where basically just another marine legion in old lore. I believe it was written in old lore that if a space marine and custodes where to fight it would be an even battle becuse how similar they were, the only noticeable différents between old custodes and marines was that custodes played more defensively. Around 5-7 edition they began flushing out the custodes and retconning them so they were their own thing. Some player still think that the custodes are not much different from marines because they don’t bother keeping up with lore. Noticeably the custodes lost the “brotherhood” way before femstodes were a thing. Custodians don’t call each other brother like marines and it’s said that they fight lone wars in formation instead of fighting like a pack like most marines. Also the whole “Brother hood of demigods” is what preachers who don’t know anything call them they them selves don’t use the term. Just had to go on a short yap fest because so many baboons are losing their minds.

@@rajabalitaji5289yea I personally like the addition for that reason too many still thing custodes are gold flavor marines and while I get why some people dislike the retcon I just feel like it really doesn’t effect much we never see that many custodes it was always possible there were femstodes we just didn’t see em besides its cool and that’s what warhammer is all about

@@KrakDukI mean personally I also am anti femspace marine and pro femstodes, because custodes is unique so it make sense while marine is a template unit that derive from a male primarch’s gene seed

Agree with what you said, except that if a female would be compatible with becoming a custodes the emperor would definitely turn them into one but making female custodes 50/50 or some shit like that they definitely need to limit it, like you said he made them for war and males in general are more built towards that but there is exceptions to that

There is already one named character but she is terrible and grossly incompetent for a custodes

A friend of my sister's dog's neighbor's husband mows the lawn for every GW employee and he assured me via a telegram that with their next retcon trazyn will be female and befriending the tyranids in a new conquest of galactic peace ✌️

Well it’d only be fair, so ofc…😳

@@KrakDukthanks for the reply haha. Maybe that’s why we didn’t see any, they were all embarrassed or no one who saw them lived to tell the tale. Great video overall. I agree with your points. I came in with the thought that they wouldn’t make sense but your points convinced me. Also I applaud you for taking a stance that isn’t popular with either side in this debate. Thankfully it seems a lot of the culture war channels on both sides have moved on to assassins creed.

I kinda assumed that lore was already retconned but I thought it was a funny thing that GW might not have considered

​@@libertyprime2013 it was literally the first thing I considered...

Thank you! Admittedly I’m not super familiar with custodes lore, but I know a fair bit about the imperium in general so I thought the points in the video were more compelling than what I saw getting tossed around online.

What about Luetin?

@@ComiCBoY000 ya that’s fair. The implementation was a bit lazy and hamfisted

Y'all feel the need to make bio-essentialist trash into a universe chock full of advanced transgenic science is utterly weird behavior. Common sense doesn't exist, it's just a name people make up for societal expectations that they don't desire to question. I also I don't care who you vote for, what you arr talking about makes little sense in this specific setting. Your also assuming a lot about making custodians when as of now almost nothing about the process is known out of universe either, it may be that failure rates might actually be very low due to how selection is done. Theres zero reason to assume for a situation like this that males are any easier (or) any harder to remould, especially since we are talking about infants and not like 'men' and 'women' per say. The imperium is not fearing population loss through a loss of wombs, they have countless trillions of humans at that point plus vat growing technologies if that equation ever somehow changes. The one resource that has never been scarce in the imperium has been human lives to spend, I don't know how you could be unaware of that. Terran nobles probably still count as apopulation in the billions, the planet is one of the densest hives

I just love the GW tweet saying "everything is canon" So OK can I have my damn space rats now?

it is both

They could have Guilliman repeal the Decree Passive and turn the Sisters into a mixed sex fighting force. Codex: Armies of the Ecclesiarchy. That's the logical end point of treating single sex armies as problematic. The sad thing is it would probably have made both the Sisters of Battle and the Sisters of Silence more popular if they had never been all female fighting forces to begin with.

@@Culexus101 I would have thought part of the charm and attraction to them is that they are a full army of nuns with guns Similarly the space marines a full super soldier army of men. I feel both gain some attraction via the monolithic army structure.

@oldomen3788 me too, but a lot of people seem to see single sex fighting forces as 'problematic', even in a setting where being 'problematic' is like 99% of the charm.

@@Culexus101 lol. Yeah. But I'd be sure to be against a brother of battle much like a female astartes

The reason I personally find the custodes change fine while not liking the marine change was outlined in the video, but basically I didn’t think all male custodes had the same implications as all male marines. Perhaps it’s because I’m not as familiar with custodes as I am marines though, if so my bad. I feel lore wise the SOS and custodes can still be distinct considering they have very different roles. That being said however, I can definitely see how the change would lessen the SOS’ impact on a metatextual level I do wish things like SOB and SOS got more stories. Since they’re a pretty cool concept Anyways thank you for watching the video

@@KrakDuk Always a treat when you upload. But yeah. It is really just so...unnecessary. Change for the sake of change, without much care for what already existed. Always focusing on whats already in the spotlight instead of just moving it to someone else. Also in the whole setting, there are really only two boys clubs in it. Astartes and Custodes, everything else is either mixed, all female, don't have a gender, or is completely incomprehensible. The Astartes, and Custodes by extension, being the posterboys doesn't diminish how much of an exception they are to the overall rule, not saying you are mind you just a general statement. I think that's also what rubs people the wrong way: We can have all female factions no problem but its treated like a sin when its all men? An incredibly sexist sentiment if there ever was one.

@@CountSpartula thank you! I’m glad you enjoy the videos and appreciate you watching them. But yeah that’s totally fair. I do definitely think exclusivity male or female warrior groups are a pretty interesting trope so I don’t mind them either way. Especially when there’s a cool lore reason.

They've run out of male customers. All that will be fans are fans, the only way to increase market cap is to grow the fan base. You can try to get non-nerd men, not going to happen. Or you can try to get nerd women who also spend money on stupid plastic figures. It's business 101. There is no such thing as virtue signalling, or morality or anything besides growth and profit. They are the only thing that matters.

That controversy was so dumb lmao I never understood what the issue was. And yeah I think there’s a correlation vs causation issue with Star Wars. I don’t think most Star Wars fans are anti-women, alot of iconic SW characters are women. It just so happened that when Disney had a female lead they also had abysmal writing. I think as long as GW does cool stuff with the change it’ll be good. Other than the internet crazies, everyone seems to be neutral or slightly negative/positive on the issue. Always thanks for watching!

@@KrakDuk indeed. The sequel trilogy was not bad due to it having a female protagonist. You could swap her out for a male lead and it would change nothing about it. The „woke“ elements of the sequels could be entirely removed and it would still not improve its quality either. The issues of the sequels were numerous starting at step one with them not even laying out a basic plan for the trilogy. The people making these comparisons think that some nebulous political agenda was the cause of the sequel trilogy‘s failure when the actual cause was just terrible management, bad writing and a lack of oversight. These problems will not suddenly arise in 40k so I am not worried about 40k suffering a similar fate to Star Wars. The only problem I have with this change is that it wasn’t introduced well. They should have had female custodes show up in the Horus Heresy if their intend is to have them always being present.

@@VengineerGER yeah there were so many cool ideas for the sequels, it’s a real shame how it went down. Another thing to consider is that I feel 40k almost has more leeway with bad writing when it does happen considering each new release isn’t expected to be a cultural event like Star Wars movies.

@@KrakDuk that is also true. Personally if I don’t like a particular piece of lore I simply don’t consider it part of my head canon. I do this with Star Wars also but in 40k there is even more leeway for this.

Bad writing often involves poorly executed political messages.

40k has three to four decades worth of male representation. Even now, the VAST majority of main characters are men. 40k is also not inherently "masculine." Masculinity is too broad of a concept, because masculinity and femininity are socially constructed interpretations of what men and women do. Plus, we are living in an era where EVERYONE is getting into 40k. The setting needs to change in some ways, otherwise it'll become stagnant and alienate certain audiences.

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 So if 40k doesn't change... it will "alienate certain audiences"... Sounds like those people don't like 40k. Sounds like a win-win. 40k players get 40k, and "certain audiences" can create something else that they enjoy and that better represents them. What army do you play by the way?

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 You sound like a tourist, the consistency of the lore and rules of the setting of 40K are more important than "muh representation". If somebody doesn't like all-male factions in 40K then they can go enjoy any other series in the world, this one doesn't need to change to suit their ridiculous sensibilities.

@@alaskamark4562 Ah yes, the super consistent lore of 40k.

@@PoorManatee6197 Ah yes, 40K's lore has some issues with consistency, so we can just make up whatever we want and pander to everyone who whines about repREEEEEsentation. Why not make the emperor a chick while you're at it?

no. its only about women breaking into male only factions, never about men in women only factions

no there wont. you think they swing both ways on what they want? hahahahaha no, no they just want their cult on the front page, they're still not happy and doubled down on their wish for "fem-marines" even when you give them alternatives, even when you tell them they can headcanon it, they always say it's "not space marines" or "not canon" they don't want to placate, they want to come and TAKE

The Geneseed wouldn't work with female aspirants, since it's essentially a copy of the primarch's DNA overlayed on the aspirants, where female and male DNA conflicted there would be rejection and probable death for the candidate

Do you have a source for the once a year claim? I've never heard or seen that one before.

@@Sara3346 the source is now lost to the depths of youtube, i doubt i can find the same video i watched about it. The only assumption i can make is that the video's author took information from some sort of codex, or amplified mortality rates of space marine creation.

I play guard so I'm aware there's ladies mixed in there, Creed, primaris psykers, a smattering of troops, it's pretty cool. Makes painting a zillion guardsmen a little bit more interesting.

Well girls have representation in Imperium. Sororitas (fookin hate them because theyre representing the most annoying type of zealots), Sisters of Silence (any Psykers nightmare if you combining with Cullexus assassin's than anti-psyker apocalypse will happen) , and of course Guard. I mean literally in Wh40K space marine a girl lieutenant leading the remnants of Guard in the planet. A cute looking proffesional. And of course Eldars. And their famous girl squads (banshees) and cute looking girl farseers. Oh and those cute looking Tau girls from water cast that can instantly convert imperials to the greater good hehehe. Girls have their representation. Just pick and enjoy)

Now that’s a change that would have the Internet in ruins🤣 Imagine Black Templars crusaded so hard they blew through their billions of male aspirants lol. Also thanks for watching!

Exactly. Also Armiger Warglaives or Questoris Knights also fill in the gap already for being diverse with their pilots on their noble lines and look at how much each of them is worth right next to a shield captain! Even a Warglaive piloted by a rookie is worth more than Shield Captain on a bike without enhancements!

That sounds amazing.

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it

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