In them times god first marriage then kids

God is an excuse to get away things.

do you ever get the dildo out of your ass?

I agree I haven’t seen my father in 10 years, I know my siblings don’t, and we don’t care. Because he was a piece of shit. And hell if there’s even a funeral I’m not coming. I don’t care

​@@jpcoqueran "god first ....now excuse me while I beat my kids and cheat on my wife "

That's why he ain't Going

@@diondreward1867 exactly

But a man, especially a son, is supposed to be the most upright at their father’s funeral. When the man of the family dies away, the son becomes the man of the family. Everyone will look to him for comfort and peace. Him having a grudge at his father’s funeral shows he’s not a man yet, and that forgiveness coupled with courage and empathy is what will mold him into being a fine man one day. I had a father exactly like the one displayed in the play, jame earl jones. Huge, loud carrying voice, big punishments, and every time he spoke he never let you know if he was angry or was trying to show love. But I will never hold that against him, I can only do better than what he did.

@@dccrazy527 unless there is a law that you have to go.. Everybody is different.... Everybody has a different circumstances...

@@dccrazy527 and just because someone doesn't go to funerals doesn't make a person less than a man or a woman

You'll never understand cause your not a man

Call it abuse as much as you want, maybe you're right, I have a father like his, and his rough lessons made me the man I am now and helped me surpass a lot of life's difficulties.. After all of that he's still my father and love him and I'll be there whenever he needs me.

It's more common than you think. Your mother was deceived by how good their relationship was at the beginning that she doesn't really see the depths of how crappy your father is and can't understand why you want to cut him off and are very hostile towards him. Meanwhile, you the man has been abusing you your entire life and you can clearly see how terrible of a person they are.

@@amarrevolver4452 My guy, you need therapy. If your father is anything like Troy, go find a good therapist. The amount of suppressed trauma you find from that will surprise you. The reason why people call it abuse is because it is what it is. Abuse.

@@amarrevolver4452 This guy is literally the worst dad ever

Troy was only a man with many faults trying to do what he thought was right while trying to deal with his own childhood trauma and demons ,children tend to raise parents up on a pedestal and expect perfection eventually you gotta grow up and realise they are only human.

@@michaelhorne4742 yes but there's a limit to that understanding. When you cross the line from discipline to abuse it doesn't matter anymore what your intentions were. It doesn't matter what hurt you experienced in your own upbringing. You've already caused more harm than good. Whatever lesson you were attempting to teach has flown out the window, and you have lost any credibility with whoever you were attempting to teach it to.

She's a psychopath like the majority

@@1SeeYouSpaceCowboy1 Think you kinda missed the point of my comment, no ones trying to excuse troy's behaviour but because of his violent and abusive upbringing he didn't think he was doing anything wrong in his own mind he was doing what he thought was right. When you live in violent household and environment alot of things become normalised and you dont understand the negative effects its had on your personality.

@@michaelhorne4742 i don't think i missed the point at all, my guy. you kinda just said the same thing twice. To which I reiterate: it's sad that Troy went through what he did, but the takeaway needs to be that what he went on to do to his son wasn't okay. We don't just stop at "well he had it hard too." we need to go beyond that and say, "okay, well, that was then, and it sucked, but this is now and you aren't justified in recreating the environment for your children that you had as a child." Acknowledging Troy's tragic childhood is valid, but remember, he's creating that same tragedy for his son and he is still accountable for that.

You can say that again. The denial of his mother and the hatred and abuse of his father were so surreal.

His mother realized through her own life that going to his fathers funeral was not for his father but for him to have some type of closure. You can't undue anything you have ever gone through but you don't have to be a prisoner of it either.

You obviously don't understand the complexity of this situation you to be a victim and you play into it. This is about closure sad how that's all you took from this scene.

@@susmcflur you’re just an armchair psychologist with shitty opinions

She’s right tho. No matter the good or bad, a son or daughter has their duty. There’s no way around it. My dad left when I was 13, if he dies and I choose to make my last act towards him to be one of hatred and resentment and abandonment….. I don’t think we will get anywhere better. Troy did better than a lot of dads. That doesn’t excuse his faults. But a person deserves a basic respect.

This is greatly explained. Props to you!

EXACTLY 💯 💯

Lol no. Women will never understand the world of men.

this reminds me of Walter from Breaking Bad, while i understand his intentions it doesnt justify his actions

Wow u articulated this so good. This is what I tell myself as well w trauma w some of my brothers

There’s a difference between being a hateful asshole and being a tough dad that still loves you. People gotta learn that, fathers have to learn that. Be better, big problem in America today. I do love that scene where he says it’s his “duty” to take care of his son. It is, but you gotta mix that with love

Dom Higinbotham yep let your ego go he was wrong whether it’s his fault or not chocking your son is wrong because he can become stronger than you and kill you one day

@theFareulookinat and what prevented him from going back with a knife instead of a bat? To just slicing his "dad"s throat in his sleep?

@theFareulookinat "because its his son" didnt stop the asshole from ruining his sons dream. Either blood relations matter both ways, or none at all.

Cutting off a toxic relationship is a difficult thing to do with family, it's the furthest thing from weakness I can think of. It took me over a decade to do so myself, and the fact that the dude went to his father's funeral is a sign that he didn't learn, he didn't become better, he's still letting his father control him, even though he's a highly decorated marine. And I say that, but he gave up on his dream to become an athlete too, ultimate failure. That, and the fact nobody acknowledged that Troy was a song of a bitch, leads me to believe that, at the very least, the marine boy is going to fall right in his father's footsteps if he ever builds a family.

Gdang Bravo WOW, what a good man and father he was. I would have loved to have known him.

@@katydid1600 thank you so much. He was a wonderful human being and my biggest hero. I can’t say enough about my father

How did he do it? I’m currently in the same position but I just can’t let go of this hate, every time I see my dad I just have the urge to fight or flight

More so like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die from it.

I don’t even know him and yet he already wins Father of the Year. Abuse is often a cycle passed on to the next, he’s a strong man for breaking it.

If you think that was a guilt trip. You should go back to barracks room n eat sum Crayola. Troy was a good father, terrible person sure. If your DI was your daddy, u need to go see a shrink boot.

@@illuminati7767 ahahhaha

@@illuminati7767 💯

Oh Matty boy, listen to JK 👆🏽

@@illuminati7767 hahahaha u think that was a dad? Troy could've done the same thing by paying alimony, nothing changes at that point

All the father said was facts and real life lessons but people like you won't understand that . Because he was right , in life you don't have to worry about if someone got to like you , just make sure they do right by you

@@rdbepa7656 you see that, I see a father rejecting a son. saying good things to your son and teaching him a life lesson are not mutually exclusive. If a man can't then he has failed as a father. Troy couldn't because he was always confrontational, he later failed as a husband with his infidelity. Troy is nobody you should be taking life lessons from.

@@Emperor.Penguin. well let me tell you life isnt always kind nor fair but he did took care of him and the basic need. Diamond are made under pressure but glass will break.

@@rdbepa7656 you can't be a father just with that, that's the tragedy of this story. It's not the father was wrong, as much as he was lacking some positive incentive, i know since my father is almost exactly the same as this Troy, he is all about the hardships of life, this and that, one day after i grew up i replied "what's the point of it all?" he looked baffled and asked "what?" i simply said "if life is a struggle, what is the point of keep on living just for the struggle?" i guess i like to believe that he realized all that talk about life being hard, was all he ever gave to me, he fed me, clothed me, made sure i knew it was him who made it possible, but i don't really feel there is a point to it all, i got no purpose, and i definitely feel empty, disconected and not really caring about anything at all. I never been in a fight with my father like this character, but my father did tried to test me once, breaking stuff at the ground when we were arguing, trying to see if i would escalate. I didn't. I understand most young men lack more discipline these days, but this story in particular goes to the other extreme.

He didnt even need to teach him that lesson like that. He completely sabotaged the relationship with his son for no reason.

wrong

Samuel Hong you gonna elaborate?

@@stankobanko5103 no because Troy was an asshole but Cory's gonna be the one ending their relationship on bad terms. That's not on him and shouldn't be. A man is dead so swallow your pride cause it's not about you here.

@@samuelhong4272 i dont believe everything has to end on good terms. If a family member is so toxic that cutting them out of your life and never looking back makes you happy then you shouldnt feel bad for not making up with them. everyone has different perspectives but I dont think the norm of 'they are dead they deserve forgiveness and respect" is always valid. cory was tormented by his father and more was genuinely happier when he was gone. his mom shouldnt force him to reopen an old wound

​@@stankobanko5103 K

Angel Salcedo yes I believe so. The worst thing a parent can do in his or her life is burying his or her own child.

Yes he would proudly to talk shit 🤣

@@tobiramasenju7462 He would've been on that "you struck out" shit.

Of course he would, you blithering idiot.

@@mezalong Looks like someone has daddy issues.

Don't get me wrong, I understand where he's coming from but if he chose to not go then he'd embrace the darkness from Troy instead of the good man Troy could have been. This is where Corey becomes a man, saying no to temptation and going instead forges a path of his own making instead of feeling controlled by an angry and troubled father.

@@jorgegfigueroa9755 Becoming a man means being able to cut off a toxic relationship and not reopen it for nothing. He didn't learn, at the end, his father is in complete control of his life. He didn't become an athlete and he still went to his funeral, taking time off the military for it, time off he could've spent anywhere else.

@@jsmith434w Troy doesn't control anything anymore. He's dead. Now Cory has to decide if he's better and face his father one last time or will turn around.

@@redcrown5070 He doesn’t have to. That’s the point. He doesn’t have to mend the relationship his dad destroyed

I think you misunderstood the philology of troys embrace on his son it wasn’t about liking him he did what every morsel father couldn’t embrace the so called darkness while teaching effective lessons and life ones to his son he son dosent have to like him nor does he have to it’s a position in which it’s his responsibility

Yeah but you cannot blame him for not wanting to go. I don't think she complete understand

@Francis Serra Cory is already a better person than Troy ever was even while he was still alive because Troy was nothing but a worthless piece of shit that lived his life believing himself to be a victim. Cory will never forgive him, no matter how much manipulation his mother uses it, because he clearly doesn't have any fond memories of Troy and is going to be stuck with the what if scenario in his head of how his life would have turned out if Troy didn't screw him over.

That's not what gaslighting is, she's trying to get him to stop seeing troy as a father or husband and as a human being with flaws and good traits. Cory isn't a kid anymore, he needs to see his father as a human not as a father who didn't love him.

@@TheReck12 Ummm.... Both are equally bad. Troy as a father: An uncaring, verbally abusive, controlling (through intimidation none the last) with the only positive thing that can be said about him as father is that he (Barely) did the bare minimum of his duty as a father, but even that isn't really a positive as he treated like it was more of a chore and a burden than anything else and acted like he deserved a medal for it while using it as an excuse to disrespect, mistreat and sabotage his son's life. Troy as a person: A hypocritical self-absorbed narcissist that wasted his live living in a perpetual victim mentality feed by his narcissistic delusions, blaming everything and everyone for his self-inflicted unhappiness while making sure that no one around him is happy in anyway while he chases his own happiness by having an affair with another woman (And continuing even after his wife discovers it.) and getting a promotion at work the same day that he sabotaged his son's future out of petty jealousy. (Which is hilarious for someone who is constantly whining about racism but is the first black driver at his work.) Troy was bad as father and husband and a human being, everyone has flaws but when the flaws are way more prominent than any of the good traits (Informed good traits none the less), it usually means that the person was a piece of shit. The only "good" traits that Troy had, was that he looked after his family, but as I already said, he used that as an excuse to treat them however he liked (poorly) and as an excuse to do whatever he wanted. And honestly, it gives the impression that he only had a family in order to live the standard of manhood at the time and nothing else.

Even if my dad did me dirty atleast i give him a Good funeral even if i hated him i have to be there or i can become same as him and turn bitter and don’t think about anyone but myself

Maybe Corey would of went to the funeral if his dad was a better person his son didn't want to go the funeral the son could of felt his dad was no good tbh

Yeah. Cory never asked to come to earth. Can't believe shitty parents say to us. Oh I gave you life. Um I didn't ask to be here.

@@brianticas7671 Cory didn't choose his dad.

You know it’s only a movie, right ?

That ain’t troys fault tho. That’s societies fault. The world showed Troy a harshnessfor the color of his skin, family, many things . As things progressed in life, Troy didn’t see it through the new lens as he was tormented through his upbringing. That’s why he was hard on his family, because you have to have a strong mind to survive that. His son didn’t understand because times were changing. That’s why he was mad about sports while his dad wanted him to keep a job.

It’s not real.

I’m the same way. Although I have limited contact with my mother and no contact with my father, I a not taking care of either of them when they get too old.

True

@@Freethinker_94 Thanks

Its disrespectful !

It’s a choice it’s neither good or bad. “Don’t pity the dead. Pity the living.” Their the ones who have remembered

@@Weplay2players subjective

No disrespect to God but idk why bible is portraying parents like they’re automatically innocent. There are some parents that don’t deserve to be honored

​@FireArtVids21 because normally parents bring you life and nurture you and tbh it's just to keep families together honestly when my dad dies I believe im not going to his funreal well see though if I can forgive him

@David Edosomwan "apart from the affair" Dude. Pause. The affair alone guaranteed caused months, if not years, or grief.

David: Tgose things you noted are rooted in fear still. She was a codependent and was willing to manipulate and deceive in order to maintain her ideal reality as she was the one benefiting. She, like Troy, was selfish and looking out for her own interest. The kids are the real victims in this. Troy and the mama made their life choices.

@David Edosomwan Ever heard of Stockholm syndrome? It's when you start to develop feelings and dependence for your captor, all being based out of fear. You said it yourself, right? Even after all the things that Troy gave to them, all the abuse and cheating, she still didn't want to lose him. She chose to endure all the abuse instead of letting go. Why? Because she wasn't strong enough to stand up to him. She was dependent on him. She had NO CHOICE but to love him, because she was AFRAID of him.

I think it's what you see through it all. A lot of people grow older and start to understand it. Understanding it doesn't mean to always accept it. For some it does, for others it simply means to understand. The mother lived a life her son didn't. She loved a life BEFORE her son..when the man provided for her. Hell for all the kids knew things didn't start to turn bad until the man HAD to be there to provide for the child. In the world black men lived there was already lack of opportunities. Then a child comes along and it probably would've been easier to just leave .for the man. That's how this nation made it for the black man. But he stayed. But the child was an extra mouth to feed. Every extra thing that man wanted to do, he decided not to. Instead staying in that one spot. Those shit jobs. With those shit bosses HOPING for better in a world that wasn't built for him, that constantly took with no escape. SHE saw all of that change him. The son didn't see all that. So she understood it and accepted it. She didn't leave him alone in a world that was trying to break him at every turn. Especially when all he did was choose to do the thing that he knew was right. He made that sacrifice and therefore she made hers. He is still human. At some point a person breaks. No one said that breaking point won't hurt anyone. But a human is just a human. That's not making excuses that's understanding. A human is JUST a damn human. Look how many years has passed before he even did something as such. He broke. Living the same life int he same spot doing all he thought was right in a world that was constantly besting him down...and the thing he stayed for, his son, doesn't appreciate all that he felt he sacrificed. All those things he went through. And his wife tells him he's wrong for expecting that appreciation. And along comes someone who basically gives him the same look and less pressure as his wife did back when. That's just reality. He didn't feel like sacrificing anymore. He spent his whole life doing just that. Passing things by or watching them pass by him. The mother is simply asking her NOW grown ass man of a son to UNDERSTAND. Not accept. He sent that boy to the military cause as far as that man understood military is a GUARANTEED career. College....for a black man...COULD work out ok. COULD. But then again this movie takes place in a time where honestly what has changed much about how this nation treated black people? The man wanted his boy to be SET. Guaranteed checks. GUARANTEED places to be. Guaranteed exleriences. And after that even during that, able to study whatever he wanted. You don't have to accept how it came off but to not understand, you're showing a level of immaturity. Lack of understanding anything that doesn't DIRECTLY deal with your perspective. There are other perspectives on the world that are affected by the things they experience. She's not asking her son to be like his father. Which is what your comment sounds like she's doing. Asking him to be there because he should look up to him and be like him. No She's simply saying that he should UNDERSTAND, by now, with his more mature mind, all that his father was TRYING to do. And for THAT attempt, of trying to make his son prepared for this world that doesn't give a shit about him, he needs to respect that.

Well said

@@agonleed3841 Wow. You just blew my mind, shifted my veiw on the whole ending

Troy was Rose’s “Ride or Die”

@@agonleed3841that was a bunch of baloney. Because at the end of the day, his son didn’t ask to be born.

Cory should've won that fight between his father

krsfrank wasn’t he trying not hurt him?

That's her husband. Good and bad, that's been her life and raising Cory for 17 years. You don't show up ON THE DAY that she has to bury him to stand on a high horse.

Nate River Not saying she deserves it, but she did nothing to fix the dysfunctional relationship during the marriage. She kept her mouth shut as she watched the mental/physical abuse happen all those 17 years with Troy. She should’ve left but she didn’t, so as a result is this scene right her.

She did know it. She just took it bx she loved him

You people still don't know the original problem, idiots, the initial problem was slavery.

@@zealousforthemosthigh2811 I think you’re in the wrong conversation. The conversation on slavery is in the history channel posts, not about a movie on hardships and the trauma that comes with abuse in the guise of trauma.

How was the marriage toxic? Troy was faithful to Rose for eighteen years, held down a full-time job that entire time, provided his wife and a son with food and shelter. He made a mistake with Alberta, yes. But that does not mean the marriage was toxic. It is easy to judge other people and their life choices when you have the good fortune not to have lived in their shoes. Troy never set out to intentionally harm his son. All he tried to do was instill in Cory (and Lyons) the value of hard work. And all he had to work with as a father was his own father's example.

he should have slapped her back.

Yada you living your life not theis movie 🙏🏾

I wonder if she even cared about her son...a lot of women even back then would have divorced or even killed a man that threatened their children even if they didn't care about themselves.

Welcome to the 1950s

In Theater Appreciation, I had to write a critique on this play and I had to act out the “Why you don’t like me” scene. I got an A on both but I told my teacher I actually hate this play for the same reasons you gave and cause my dad abused me as a kid.

Correct, this is the argument Rose should've made. Cory should attend so that he can have closure seeing Troy laid to rest, knowing Troy can't ever hurt him again. Then Cory can move on with his life in peace.

That was a woman’s job in that era (not saying its right just saying thats how it was) vows used to force a woman to say that she would “honor and obey” their husbands until their death. it was a spouses job to put up blinders to their husbands shortcomings and indescretions and be the woman that would lead that man to success or at least happiness. Thank fuck things arent like that anymore.

I think Rose knew that Troy was a less than perfect man. But she chose to live a life sacrificing for and loving him. She had doubts but she was invested. It’s heartbreaking.

Troy was laying good pipe to rose thats why

@@khmershakur9197 😂😂😂

@@Monterey96 Now there's *modern women* ...

Yeah and hopefully your petty lives will lead others to not show up to your funerals, it's about closure, closure for all. You cry babies are still upset your parents forced yall to church.

careful, by thinking like a real person, you killed the THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMES of the movie, hollywood wouldlnt want that. Writing Cory to beat troy in their fight? Nah, too logical Writing Cory to slap his mother back? Nah, too logical.

@@texteel what black child in the 1950s or 60s is gonna slap their mother back? You sound dumb as hell. Wasn’t nothing lower than a son that would hit his mother even if she did slap him first. You sound delusional as hell.

You’re looking at these characters through 2020 perspective not the 1950s.

@@adewilson132 that’s normal actually it comes as natural if one receives it in the Beginning of their life and giving back in an instances after recently receiving it

@@adewilson132 If she’s gonna slap him then he should slap her. A son should hit his mother if she’s being physically abusive towards him.

💯 very frustrating watch. forgiveness isn’t a given. you have no obligation to forgive.

Good luck, friend. It will end better than it began.

@@blankblank2370 I made it to the marine corps and am now at camp Geiger

Exactly. All this scene showed was that Rose is little to no better than Troy. She didn’t even offer him the chance to make his own decision, like a man, but instead pretty much forced him to go. He should have left the second after she slapped him.

That's kinda contradictory though. 'Love' is a much greater form of 'Like'. As a parent, you should love your children. If you don't like your children, how do you love them. Troy put food in his belly and such because he felt he had to as a father, not because he loved him. He dislikes him and see him as a symbolic of the working class family life he never wanted. He wanted to be an athlete, but was never able to so he projects it out on his family.

Nah, she would have slapped him again

God bless you and your family bro

That was well said. Fatherhood pulls back the veil and completely changed our outlook with a ton of information we previously didn’t have access to.

Good to know there's someone with some sense out there. All I see are cry baby comments about how evil Troy was. He did his best with what life gave him. Of course he wasn't perfect no one is. Rose put it all perfectly because she knew him like no one else did.

@@biggchris7434 "He did his best with what life gave him." Love is free dude. If I never heard an "I love you" from my dad I wouldn't go to his funeral either. Troy was abusive and that is simply not okay and not just "not perfect".

@@Blubableful some of our black grandparents didn't do a good job teaching our fathers on love or respect because they never received it themselves as kids. don't underestimate the psychological effects from racism in the south. they're only concern was to make sure their son was living and doing good in school. my dad never said "i love you" and did very similar things troy did, but the more you grow older, the more you look at the bigger picture of why they acted like this. you don't have to forgive them because everyone has a choice. but i hope the ones that did go through this grew to understand their fathers were just damaged kids themselves

Shut the fuck up. You thought you ate here.

@@Blubableful I never heard "I love you" from my dad either. He was not raised in a family that had love and he had never heard it from his father OR mother. After I moved out and graduated from college and saw the world I came back to visit. My dad had changed and he said the words. We have a very good and loving relationship now. You learn from what you see and multigenerational trauma is a thing. Cut the man some slack for when you're visiting Rome, you do as the Romans do.

Or you could try to do better for your own kid

Blah bleep boop I am ASAIN

@@nonso1078 it’s not about being white or black, it’s about at least being the bigger man then your father!

@@jdfox8889 what?

@@nonso1078 whatever

@@PateaIosefo hahahahah

Bruh, that’s her goddamn son

@@antoniodoleman4105 and? Show some damn respect.

Nope, no contact don't go

Nope that will be considered acting if he don’t want to go he don’t want go his mother should have been ok see you later and kiss him

Not really. You dont realize that he doesn't want anything to do with his memories at all. He was no good to him. I can relate. I have nothing to do with my stepfather or father.

How the fuck are you supposed to give something that you ain't never had? When the fuck did Troy ever give Cory a hug or show him father son soft affection? Never. Yet you want Cory to turn the other cheek and do that. Get the fuck out of here. Thats a good way to be a fuckin door step for everyone to step on.

Exactly. Troy is, after all, Cory's father. I don't think simply attending the funeral would mean that Cory loved Troy, it would just show that Cory forgave and forgot. That's the best way to move on from someone, I'd say.

Probably did. But I didn't watch this movie until a few years ago. Before that, ice said it a few times. It's one of those "man things" to say. It has a meaning behind it.

@@agonleed3841 Those "man things" are fucking toxic.

@@Palpad100 It's not a "man thing". Most fathers love their kids, he's just toxic. Like mothers who use use their motherhood and accuse their adult children of being ungrateful to guilttrip their children into doing something their children know is wrong.

Arnold schwarzenegger didn't go to his father funeral.... In my opinion Troy wasn't that bad compared to the father's I seen over the years who abused their own sons for sport.

You said it perfectly

Don't worry I mean only a man who never had an abusive father rather physical or psychologically would say that the little mr perfect who wrote this thing is braging he had a good life

@@papito9898 Troy wasn’t abusive though, he was just a hardass.

@@adewilson132 Making your son fear you as a child is abusive

What a load of nonsense. Better to divorce your wife and live apart than cheat on her and get another woman pregnant, which brings even more disgrace and shame to the family than a divorce would. You’re saying this as if Troy was the exemplar of fatherhood. Hint hint: he wasn’t. He was a POS who ruined his relationship with his son. Have you ever wondered why so many children who raised like that back in the 50s became depressed, suicidal or drug addicts? It’s because they had toxic upbringings. Stop justifying dysfunction just because it happened in the past.

Biola Ifeoluwa, Balogun nah he was bad father

I disagree. He had a very low upbringing but no forced him to become a criminal. And he certainly had no reason to cheat on his wife at that point in his life. And he never gave any indication that he loved his children. Overall Troy wasn't worth much as a human being.

I disagree! Troy stopped a rape of a 13 year old,when he was only 14.. by his own father! (Who I suspect might've been lynes mother,if you do the math) he was then put out on the street.14 you can't get a job! Especially a black kid in the segregation days! He stole to eat! So him and her had food.then a robbery got out of hand amd he killed someone.he was a scared little boy! He regrets it everyday.but then he cleaned up his act in prison,took up baseball as a way to distract himself. By the time he got out,lynes mother had moved on to someone else.he played a few years of negro league baseball.met Corey's mother and found a 9 to 5 job,to support his family. The fact that he took care of Corey, reconnected with lynes after all those years and said the baby was his and couldn't deny his blood,is every indication that he loves all three of them! I can't excuse what he did to rose,and he had coming to him,what happened between them! But he surely was a decent father!

Biola Ifeoluwa, Balogun nah he was a shit dad

@@superstarreviews9937 i don't think he wad a decent father. He was abusive. The thing i like about this story though is that every character is three dimensional. Even if all you can think about while watching is "rose should have left him" or other such things, you under stand where they all come from. You understand why they are the way they are. Troy wasn't a good father, but you can tell he tried, and he may not have loved his children (other than Raynell) but he took responsibility over them. He's a very human character. Incredibly flawed, but trying.

Like denzel said in an interview about this movie pain is passed down from father to son

Troy was a hypocritical, self-absorbed narcissist with a victim mentality. That sabotaged his son's future because he was incapable of seeing him succession where he wasn't "allowed" to succeed. Acted like he deserved a medal for doing the literal bare-minimum of his duty as a father and ultimately kicked him out of his home over finally standing up to him because he had enough of his father's shit. Cory came out of it with loads of resentment, lost opportunities for the future and trauma because of a good for nothing piece of shit that was incapable of seeing anyone but himself happy. (Parents are flawed, but being a flawed parent and a abusive piece of shit are two very different things. Troy was a shitty father, husband and overall person and he's lucky to have gotten a funeral in the first place.)

This...

The wife was delusional, And a hypocrite. And we know about the dad

So as a result, If me and my English class watch this movie, I’m just going to try to play it cool.

Which is why I say Troy was a complicated man

@@joewhitehead3 he was a pos

@@joewhitehead3true dat.

“ruined my chance for college”, you obviously don’t know how hard was to make money as a black person. Troy got used by the white man during has baseball career, and didn’t want his son to go through the same thing in his football career.

@@WhiteBeard640 times change though. He still should have respected his sons dreams.

@@brianticas7671 True I do understand that, but I could still see where Troy is coming from

If the mum doesn't respect your choice and slaps you then why should you?

@ Respect and Love

JaguarRider sounds like you grew up with a silver spoon, buddy. The slap was harmless :) don’t worry!

@@talmadgecole7343 Sounds like you grew up hate filled.

I have mixed feelings about this. Given my own trauma with my parents, my mother personally would have understood my choice. She'd be angry, but she would know I wouldn't go. On a personal level? I would go to his funeral, if for nothing else, just for closure. Close that chapter and be a better man than he is. However, I have no right to make that demand on anyone else. And our society seems to believe it's either one way of doing things and nothing else.