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Ferrari 612 Scaglietti Manual Swap - Is It Worth The Hassle?
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Күн бұрынIn today's video, I drive a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti. Not long ago, I had my first chance to sample the epic V12 GT from Maranello. Today's though is a little bit different - the popular but now maligned F1 gearbox has been replaced with a factory looking manual - but is it any good?
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@JBsC6 2 жыл бұрын
The owner who did the manual swap is an impressive engineer. I wouldnt attempt it yet I admire his skills and guts!
@user-vi8pt5us3b 4 ай бұрын
JayEmm, many thanks for this piece. Based on your comments, I have decided to spend the money converting my 2005 HGTS 612 rather than source an alternative manual car, such as a Porsche 992, at greater cost. I just love the manual driving experience over a robotic or auto box. The handling on the 612 is fantastic. It’s just the gearbox that lets it down a bit. I know the cost won’t be reflected in the car’s value, but I am not planning on selling it and am more likely to give it to my son when I am no longer insurable to drive it, which apparently is at 75. So, 15 years to go! I will let you know how it goes.
@thebritishautochannel 2 жыл бұрын
I think it looks rather well in white 👀
@Maurice_Moss 2 жыл бұрын
Well isn't an adjective.
@2702simmo 2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha I was thinking how bad it looks in white 😂
@armands3153 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the 612 Scaglietti is probably one of the weakest looking Ferraris of all time - not particularly beautiful (in my opinion) or exciting (in my opinion). White colour does tend to shave off a few years from the car, however, in this case it does very little. Rear of course is freshened up a bit due to the contrasting colours of the taillights and black panels, but the headlights in the body colour age terribly and even more so in white. The best colours probably have to be the darker greys, silver or that blue (also in darker tones and shades) Ferrari originally released the car in.
@matthewferguson7084 Жыл бұрын
Looks like an unpainted model Needs to be blue
@alphabetaxenonzzzcat 2 жыл бұрын
An underrated car from Ferrari. The novelty of a V12 in it. There's also the old school metal gated gearbox as well. I think that is probably easier to live with than the flappy paddles - despite the heavy clutch.
@tjanderson5892 Жыл бұрын
100% agreed. If I could ever afford a beast mode Ferrari the last thing I’d want would be some lame paddle shifters. Is it dumb to ask if there’s even a clutch w/ those? Give me a classic standard tranny to slam gears and feel the V12. Paddle shifts on Ferarris imo are like gettin to ride a bull, but doing it in 4ft deep water. Still wild, but nowhere near the full experience
@fatfreddyscoat7564 2 жыл бұрын
It’s simple - back in the day we were sick of manuals as that’s all we’d had for years: with phrases like F1 GEARBOX, SMG, SSG etc etc we were all excited for new ways of swapping cogs, and paddle changes looked so damned cool. It’s only after we’d had them for a while we realised the vast majority were inferior to manuals, and some were downright shite. It was something new though and that’s why we all went for it.
@jrbuch 2 жыл бұрын
I manual swapped my late model Toyota Soarer with the 1JZ-VVTI engine. I added a Supra V160 6 speed, and used all factory manual components including ECU's and the Dashboard from the same model year, factory manual car. It all worked first go, and 1000% the car is better for it being a manual from a driver involvement perspective.
@garyhawkins9246 2 жыл бұрын
An open gated manual Ferrari has to be better than a robotised manual, 612 is very Colour and Wheel sensitive, paint it TDF Blue, with a tan interior and change the wheels to silver and it’s perfect
@boobsmakesmile 2 жыл бұрын
With daytona seats please.
@simeontomov3433 2 жыл бұрын
Like the one on Top Gear, that was perfection.
@whitevanman8703 Жыл бұрын
The 612 looks great in white and those wheels are great too. Now if it had the red interior it would be super special.
@rajdhaliwal607 2 жыл бұрын
Contemplated trading in my manual 997 C2S for a left hand drive F430 with the F1 box almost 18 months ago. Verdi Ferrari can do conversion to manual on F430 and 599’s but they had a 18 month waiting list. The cost of the work itself at the time was circa £25k. Although the effort and wait would definitely be worth it, I would’ve been stretching myself too much financially and decided to stick with my 911 for now. It’s definitely something I would like to do in the future providing the prices of both the car and the work haven’t shot up ridiculously again. Nice review also 😊
@drjdmtuning4982 Жыл бұрын
A manual 612 is 150k higher so converting it is much cheaper
@TheMrFishnDucks 2 жыл бұрын
This looks nice in the black and white. Fantastic work by the owner. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
@94mikyyy 2 жыл бұрын
Funny, because I think this is the best looking 612 I've ever seen
@WhiteMouse77 2 жыл бұрын
...you guys made my day! Robin is a HERO of fuelheads' community!!!
@alungcs 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have one of this for the past 10 years and the only let down is the gear change. This should be added to one of my retirement projects! Thanks for sharing the great example! Well-done the owner!
@brogenville 2 жыл бұрын
Give me a shout if you ever want to chat about what’s involved. 👍
@aod2392 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Love manual Ferraris. My 456GT is now up for sale after 18 years ownership.4 seats, 6 gears and loads of style :)
@eze8970 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks J, it did seem a worthwhile mod, all credit to the owner!
@comeberza 2 жыл бұрын
I think it looks rather smart painted white and I'd always love a man using his Ferrari with his family. Thanks for bringing in to the channel!
@Chrissy-H 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought this car looked like a bar of soap anyway - the white doesn' t exactly help 😆
@comeberza 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chrissy-H 😂😂😂
@dl6860 2 жыл бұрын
YES! thanks for reviewing this. You should do a 599 manual review too
@iainbagnall4825 2 жыл бұрын
Manual is awesome for sporty cars on the road, because its FUN. Its not faster these days, well, not in every circumstance, but that's not the point.
@comeberza 2 жыл бұрын
I was watching the launch of the manual supra and one bloke said that what was the point of it if the car was slower. I could tell from it that he hasn't realised what cars are actually about
@iainbagnall4825 2 жыл бұрын
@@comeberza exactly! case in point. a few years ago I tore an ACL and couldnt drive a manual for a while. I had a manual pug 306. my Dad swapped cars with me for a while while I recovered, 325 automatic. He didn't want to give the 306 up at the end because he'd forgotten how much fun changing gear was, plus the 306 had comfier seats than his bimmer lol.
@DuBstep115 2 жыл бұрын
@@comeberza What cars are all about? Replacing horses as means of transportation. They will disappear soon don't worry.
@nightdriver7216 2 жыл бұрын
It's fun in very limited situations. It's miserable in traffic and divides your attention on the track. Manual transmission is obsolete and has become either economy or vanity option.
@richardcarter1000 2 жыл бұрын
With the way the world is going, any manual Ferrari will be a great investment and they are wonderful things never to be repeated.
@marcnobel3938 2 жыл бұрын
In white the car looks actually really good. Normally I don't like the front of the car but in white it kinds of blends in. My respect for the afford to convert the car. Not really an easy task.
@Boyzee355 2 жыл бұрын
Also would never go for a vanquish with the automated manual yet works service does the conversion themselves- what a car that would be and very very rare
@Ferraridude13 2 жыл бұрын
One of your best reviews in a while, well structured, well commentated.
@michaelisaacson9735 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Absolutely. Bravo, Robin.
@brogenville 2 жыл бұрын
Why thank you. 😁🙏
@murrieteacher 2 жыл бұрын
I have been driving now for 60 years and I always had manual gearboxes in my fun cars, but moved to sequential boxes in my race cars when a win on the day was measured in 100ths of a second in a hillclimb. I had been knocked down to 4th with 3 sequential gearboxes in the 3 places and all of us on the same time until we got to the 100 of a second bit. And now my road cars are all DCG and can live with the heavy traffic without limping at the end of the trip. On some of the more demanding roads in the Queensland hinterland I can get just as much enjoyment from the paddle shift as I hurry the car up the mountain with 3 large bikes behind me that cannot close enough to pass. And when I get to the top and pull over, they pull over too and share the drive.
@Tential1 2 жыл бұрын
Wow...I've never liked white... But that looks amazing.... The scag really is one of my favorite cars.
@psircos 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that video. In the front driveway, locked out the house currently. What else is a car freak to do, but watch another car freak talk about cars !!
@jimmylight4866 16 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂. Im hoping my day goes smoother
@freddaniali 2 жыл бұрын
Jay, from what I have heard the 612 conversion is not as challenging as the 599. Something to do with the size of the torque tube and a nasty vibration in 3rd gear (which is present on the OEM installation as well). Great video as always!
@AntoniusTyas 2 жыл бұрын
Not so keen on the wheel colour itself. If it's silver then I'd dig it. A lot. Also, crema interior is a must.
@nobustrive1405 2 жыл бұрын
Love it manual 612 gearbox
@denisspratt926 2 жыл бұрын
Always liked the 612. But I prefer the 456. It is a bit more elegant and a more old school interior with proper gauges. Cause I don't like all this touchscreen things in most modern cars. And the 612 came in a era where they was in the start of that. Nice video.
@nelsonclub7722 2 жыл бұрын
The 456 - in manual is a proper car - good shout
@WhiteMouse77 2 жыл бұрын
....indeed!!!
@billhenley6605 2 жыл бұрын
The 612 has no touchscreen. Its TFT display was all cutting-edgey when these were new, and in fact you will find yourself grateful for its digital speedometer readout. The street driving range of 0 to 80 mph on the 220 mph speedometer occupies less than 90 degrees of the dial, making it a challenge to read. The standard screen on the TFT also has very legible oil pressure, oil temp, water temp, and fuel gauges, imo a much better setup than four analog gauges.
@georgeapplegate2091 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry Jay, I've not watched one of your videos in a long time! What a fantastic video for a Comebackz eh?! A beautiful car, epic spot of engineering and a well versed review. I'm really glad you're still making great reviews. Probably my favourite video reviewer bar a bit of Chris Harris! Keep up the good work 👍🏻
@beardedboon 2 жыл бұрын
Cool car, i remember the top gear race everytime i see this car!
@CathodeRayNipplez 2 жыл бұрын
Two for sale here in Au at £180,000 GBP ($300,000 AUD) and both autos and both black.
@Boyzee355 2 жыл бұрын
A manual 612 is surely a spectacular GT
@darrenwking1 2 жыл бұрын
Still watching and loving the fact you appear to have taken on board my comment about heel and toe. Whilst you made clear visual reference to it in this video (fine, great) you just mention it in passing at around 13 minutes, instead of bleating on about it. Well done !!!
@JayEmmOnCars 2 жыл бұрын
The video making process is one of constant refinement. As you can imagine I get a lot of feedback, some of it conflicting - but I try to improve things where I can
@MRVSKIN 2 жыл бұрын
Love love love it. Great video
@c331hunt 2 ай бұрын
I think time has been really kind to the looks of the Scaglietti - I think it’s ageing really really well. If I squint, it has hints of a modern, Gen II Ferrari 330. I’d say manual 612s will become true future classics. Ferrari has a habit of doing that. The 348 was absolutely unloved in its day, but now it’s becoming a cult classic and much more desirable (and expensive).
@PP-um7kk 2 жыл бұрын
Owned a manual 612 a fews back years hated it!
@cafe405 2 жыл бұрын
"Snicket" that gear change is worth twice the estimated conversion cost!
@ajdahun 2 жыл бұрын
ANY properly done manual swap is worth the effort($)
@costafilh0 Жыл бұрын
This car has great potential! All it needs is a MT and a lot of money for new interior and some changes on the exterior.
@robi4387 2 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness for enthusiasts.
@Superbustr 2 жыл бұрын
For pure transportation and commuting automatic is better. For someone who actually wants to put in the effort and drive their car to the fullest of its potential, manual is by far better. The thing is, most people don't like driving and want the easiest possible setup without having to put any effort in.
@yashveersingh1795 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video 📹📹📷🎞❤
@Punisher9419 2 жыл бұрын
If I could do a manual swap on my Jaguar XKR X100 I would if it was reasonably priced and didn't effect the rest of the car. It can be done but it's silly money to have it done. It's a shame Jaguar didn't offer it from the factory even if it was at a high premium.
@v4skunk739 2 жыл бұрын
It would probably go up in value.
@ofmanynicknames 2 жыл бұрын
The Ford higher-ups would’ve stomped on that in a heartbeat so it didn’t step on Aston Martin’s toes.
@iainbagnall4825 2 жыл бұрын
yeah the transmission controller integrated with the stock ECU is the problem I think. If you go aftermarket ECU, options open up but you are still probably spending 5k minimum. Jaguar Specialties in the US does relatively affordable swap kits for GM v8s and manual trans, but if I was going that route I'd get an old XJS convertible with a tired engine and swap that instead. I'm in California so old Jags with no rust but fucked engines are pretty common.
@cedb7115 2 жыл бұрын
@@iainbagnall4825 which gearbox would u use though
@lukeshardlow768 2 жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@MultiMarciano 2 жыл бұрын
the sound of down the pipes..cool
@user-ih7gc7dt9l 2 жыл бұрын
I swapped a Saab 9000 aero to manual for less than $1000 ; definitely worth it.
@grenphelps7455 2 жыл бұрын
The black roof would work better if the A and C pillars were gloss black as well, like you get on other coupes
@CraigMcB68 2 жыл бұрын
Love the 612s looks even white looks OK, though not my favourite. Then again what petrolhead wouldn't like a like a front engined rear wheel drive V12. Fantastic interiors on these cars they were the range topping car when on sale, and it shows, pure quality finish.
@ahmadjavid3935 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please review a 575M. Everyone forgets 575M , because 550 and 599 are better , but still a detailed review would be enjoyable. Please consider mz suggestion if it is possible. Thanks for reading
@bernardwarr4187 2 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos. Definitely something I would love, a 599 and do the manual conversion. A thing of beauty front engine V12 Ferrari
@ajsomal3120 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, highly informative as usual, l have my own F1 transmission 612 Ferrari for sale right now on one of the main UK auction houses online with No reserve 😉
@jimmyyoh8144 Жыл бұрын
612 is truly a GT car which can easily carry 4 adults for normal usage confortably. It certainly is not for 4 adults cross country trip, in tact not many car can provide enough confort other than Maybach. Enough said, 612 is best fitted with F1 manual transmission for a GT. If you want a hardball sport can, for about the same price, go buy the 599 instead.
@desertwindauh 2 жыл бұрын
The F1 auto is not bad at all to drive and live with. Much easier to learn how to drive properly than the headache and expense to convert to the manual.
@Alex-dt8op Жыл бұрын
100%
@lukeshardlow768 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of like it in white!
@giuliotoffano4763 2 жыл бұрын
Looks really like a T33!!
@steveb19111978 2 жыл бұрын
Looks gorgeous in white 🥵
@supercomp7078 2 жыл бұрын
There is a difference between a manual box and some hi tech wizardry, some people want the latest and greatest techno box that changes gear in the blink of an eye and others just want to have fun.
@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 2 жыл бұрын
I've never seen a 612 in a colour that really suits it, but it certainly wears white well... I do love a white Ferrari... I do love a Ferrari in anything but red.
@gabrielcaramet3238 2 жыл бұрын
I do think that tour de France blue suits it quite well
@deep6thisdeep6this92 2 жыл бұрын
looks like the love child of a ferrari california, a bentley continental gt, and a porsche 948. surprisingly attractive. :)
@ofmanynicknames 2 жыл бұрын
The question of "how much are you willing to pay for a manual swap" is a great one. In 2006, I spent $1500 US converting an SW20 MR2, which was absolutely worth it even with the Camry 2.2 lump we got in the US. Around 2018, I got a quote from a Jag specialist for $10k US to convert any V12 Jaguar XJS that one could drive to their shop. No doubt things are pricier now.
@TS-wp3wt 2 жыл бұрын
Has a sort of flat six sound more than a 12 cylinder sound.
@WobblePizza 2 жыл бұрын
Always like the 612, but manual or nothing for me. I like this trend.
@whitevanman8703 Жыл бұрын
I would swap the original F1 gearbox for a ZF 8 speed autobox or the Aisin 6 speed. This car needs a decent torque converter box.
@TheSaint491 8 ай бұрын
612 has aged really well
@trentweston8306 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Enzo Ferrari loved taking his personally owned mini into the mountains whenever he "got bored".
@Rascularvideos 2 жыл бұрын
It looks great. The black roof has that lowering effect. I’ve never thought much of it before, but…
@bert9662 2 жыл бұрын
This car looks a lot like me. When it’s getting older it’s getting more handsome.
@Christian--- 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta give respect to anyone DIY wrenching these bespoke luxury items themselves.
@3ducs 2 жыл бұрын
I like the Mazda Miata grill.
@jenshaga4256 Жыл бұрын
The Ferrari I would have. Thanks for sharing.
@nigeldeforrest-pearce8084 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant!!! Could be my First Ferrari!!!
@sprezzatura8755 Жыл бұрын
Skall-yetti. Manual conversion well worth every penny. Many auto-manual sports car owners would opt for this if specialty shops popped up for this purpose.
@Bonno95 2 жыл бұрын
That colour combination really does put the ‘Skag’ in ‘Scaglietti’
@ruirodrigues9122 2 жыл бұрын
Without watching the video...yes...yes it is worth the hassle
@tanner1ie 2 жыл бұрын
Yessss!!!! 🤔😀🤘 Every car should be available with s manual gearbox, I can't stand automatics! 😯😂
@stewartmacdonald601 2 жыл бұрын
Well, if my Clio doesn't sell tomorrow, I'm taking it on them roads. So close, yet I rarely drive that route, ha ha. Yet your always there when up this way, so must be worth a drive.
@nightnomad635 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. The timing! I was talking to a friend about the potential of a manual swap!
@ijoseluis 2 жыл бұрын
Of course! After having felt that sound (which I translate into a fabulous "shlonk") on the 456 GT and on the 550 Maranello, absolutely yes. Personally, I'd live perfectly without the decimals of second lost...
@hexgraphica 2 жыл бұрын
GL in Italian sounds like an L, but you touch your palate with your whole tongue instead of just the tip. Anyway scaietti is close enough if you stress the I as it was double, that's how even some Italians say it
@richardjones2468 2 жыл бұрын
I`m waiting for the sporting car manufacturers to realise they are selling entertainment packages and many of their existing and potential customers want a manual. Autos are fine and yes we know they are now often the fastest version but they are boring and tend to give the impression the technology is in control, not the driver. I`ve personally yet to find a clutchless gearchange satisfying regardless of having a lever or paddle to move. Manuals rule.
@nightdriver7216 2 жыл бұрын
This is a heavy cruiser, what's the point of the manual? Also the manufacturers have realized the opposite. Manuals are bought today by fringe groups and speculators.
@richardjones2468 2 жыл бұрын
@@nightdriver7216 I guess if the car is used mainly in heavy urban traffic auto is convenient however for those of us to whom a car is more than just a "video game " type experience a manual gearshift is an essential part of that tactile experience and I believe as things get more and more automated and technical things like manual gearboxes are becoming more desired. By the way as a 456 owner (6 spd manual) these V12 cars shrink around you when actually driven on the open road.- we also have a mid engined V8 Ferrari to compare..
@Suprahampton 2 жыл бұрын
So, an HGTS with a manual swap would be the ideal 612?
@TG-pd3ft 2 жыл бұрын
WKZ 2000 LOL love it!! Just missing the 'A' 'N' then 'E' & 'R' and it's perfect. Love this theme James - keep it up.
@Lukeywoodsey 2 жыл бұрын
Always thought the front lights and bumper look odd, white makes it look worse, but this is an amazing bit of British engineering
@pointblanc2723 Жыл бұрын
yeah I thought it’s a very ugly car model in general, but great engineering
@benzinapaul7416 2 жыл бұрын
Each to their own but white for me is probably the worst colour for a 612, even worse than red - it looks like it should be in Dubai. Big compliments on the manual conversion though, great work.
@2702simmo 2 жыл бұрын
I agree totally
@AstonDB8 2 жыл бұрын
It's a grand tourer. A manual is pointless.
@cestrian5294 2 жыл бұрын
Manual gearboxes were described by the current boss of Ferrari as ‘A nostalgic choice’ especially when auto boxes are so good these days. Manual boxes are for pub bores and old people that won’t move on. Jaguar sold seven, yes seven F-types in 2021.
@nightdriver7216 2 жыл бұрын
Manual F-Type died in like 2019. If true then these were leftovers. Highlights what you said. Wouldn't be surprised if Jaguar sold more P300s than manual V6s.
@ogarzabello 3 ай бұрын
It is not a swap, it's a conversion.
@reverendkrv 2 жыл бұрын
I like it in white. No link to Robins channel?
@brogenville 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t have a channel, but you can say hello here or on Ferrari Chat. 👋
@Jalreal 2 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that the original buyers of Ferraris are often not like the buyers on the secondary market, meaning they're often not real petrolheads. A proper GT car should have a manual. On the track, where GT cars don't belong, is a little different because nobody wants to money-shift a Ferrari!
@sickjohnson 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool!!!!
@jayjuggrnaut 2 жыл бұрын
That loud gearbox is driving me mad.
@pipimontana 2 жыл бұрын
456 is all you need
@tomazikov 5 ай бұрын
Was it worth it ? Oh yes and how great it's sounds 😉
@Vexlarge 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, but please - it‘s Porsche not Porsch, you don’t say Ferrar i.o. Ferrari as well … best regards from some guy actually living in a „Ferdinand-Porsche-Street“ in Germany! Keep up your good work 👍
@ShogunHull 2 жыл бұрын
I LIKE IT ALOT. I DO LIKE THE RED INTERIOR OVER BLACK. BUT THE BLACK ROOF IS JUST FINE. I WANT ONE OF THESE CARS... LOOKS MORE AFFORDABLE ...WILL LOOK FOR ONE.
@tjanderson5892 Жыл бұрын
Throws me off seeing the E-brake on the left side while the steering wheel is on the right. Is that normal for all right side riders? Or just this modded out horse?
@tibchy144 2 жыл бұрын
do it only if you have narrow feet because it will get crowded down there
@bisterkding9249 11 ай бұрын
sky yeti
@billhenley6605 2 жыл бұрын
JayEmm and Robin (brogenville): Could you expand on the comment that the fuel mapping is still in need of tweaking? Are you required to remove the ECU from the car to reflash it?
@brogenville 2 жыл бұрын
Hi bill, yes the two engine ecu’s come out to get reflashed. The only part I got help with was the corrections made to the engine flash files, which is where the ecu whisperer 360trev comes in. Look him up- his exploits in modifying Ferrari ecu’s are the stuff of legend. The 599 MAF’s are much bigger than the 612 MAF’s, and this is first 612 in the world to use them. At the moment the previous maps were all carried over, and just the calibration tables for the new MAF’s spliced in. It just needs a little fuel pulled out in the lower part of the Rev range.
@AMCL5 2 жыл бұрын
What if we call it a 612 spaghetti 🍝😂.
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