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its the fucking same blade big blade bigger blade paradox

I was hoping for a bit of variety in Sorceries too. Just having the same handful of attack spells feels a little lacklustre with the sheer amount of tools you have with Incantations.

honestly kinda disappointed, i was hoping for more frost stuff, more poison, more crystal, black flame but i guess not

Was hoping for a sorc spell that traded health for fp like in some mods.

Yeah. Its a bit lackluster and there are only a few of them....

Hollow pur..moon

funny thing, you do hit the ground a third time with no moon present. or perhaps there is a moon, but its imaginary🤔

Agreed and I play mage 😂 working on a faith build as we speak.

Yea pretty much all of them are disappointing besides the finger Glinstone I could see my self using it

Yeah, incantations have always been way cooler. Even in base game. Which fucking sucks cause i wanna be a badass wizard, not some lame-ass priest

​@@douglasnevins1598 "Lame ass priest" can spit fire and throw boulders

Yeah one of the faith incantations literally turns you into Gilgamesh from Fate. I do like some of the finger sorceries though. The double moon sorcery is just...dumb.

I came here specifically to find the name of that nonexistent spell

It's slightly different from the video in the way it looks too. Must've been tweaked upon release

Also the splash damage range is super short, I understand it shouldn’t be has OP like Rellana but come on

​@@armani6194 For 72 int it should actually be op...the Dragonlord spell has a unreactable aoe at the start...i fail so see why mages can't have something good too...and while they are at it, fix stars of ruin to have any use in pvp......either double up the duration of the attack or cut in half the range but give back the aggressive tracking......

hairy too

Was really hoping for some Int/Arc spells

@@ArawnOfAnnwn I have a bubble build. All I needed was a power wash sorcery to rinse off the soap 😔

There are new aberrant sorceries

Lol, you know impenetrable thorns is an aberrant sorcery(gets buffed by all the stuff that buffs them) AND is the most OP and broken spell in the game rn, do you? It will get massively nerfed ofc, but rn aberrant sorceries(well, this one at least) RULE!

Id say all of the regular blue spells lack luster but the others were pretty damn sweet.

That was the only exciting spell to me, the rest lacked innovation.

I love both gravity sorceries but I wish they added at least 1 more to have 3 at least instead of just 2

​@@shadowbolthaseo1861I just wanted the laser or the aoe of the fallen star beast :/

I'll admit that some of the boring sorceries are boring, but the cooler ones are pretty dang cool.

I was hoping for more carian sorcery or sleep spells but alas nothing…

You mean rock sling and shard spiral, the best sorcery in the game!

Idk, thorn sorcery seems to be a viable option now. It may not be as meta as the shard and rock but it's a change of scenery for sure.

@@unknownbenefactor8029 but is that intelligence based or arcane?

@@jag9872 a mix of both. It prox bloodlost real quick and hit like a truck. Plus it's almost unavoidable. Recommend using it with Maternal staff as main hand and Thorn staff as offhand.

WAY better. Very disappointing.

int was really left in the dirt this dlc

That twin moon spell needs at least some hyper armor

Sillly mages, but tbh they did fine, theres enough sorceries in base game so im guessing they got sick of it

Miriams also seems to go through enemies, so you can probably through an enemy to their back and force them to turn around or attempt a back check. Meaning you can set up frame traps. Honestly pretty cool.

I used the Miriam's vanishing against commander gauis, works very reliably against his charge attacks

Which spells are these

@@andrewcieszkowski3190 The Spectral Rings of Light is the fast one. The big AoE could be either one of the Putrescent spells.

The incantations in this game have always been more flashy, while the sorceries are more pragmatic. Incantations let you pull the wrath of the gods out from you buttcheeks while sorceries are like pulling out a glock - not flashy but they get a job done and are cheap.

@@kirbyis4ever exactly on one hand you are the avatar, on the other hand you are american

@@nawabifaissal9625lmao

Doesn't the Briar armor do that already?

And it pvp its perfect , not op but quite flexible

I am 99% sure - I know it's really few :(

Finger spell seems like a stonedigger reskin :(

Which staff is it

@@Andrei-RexIt is “Staff Of The Great Beyond” the other staff is “Maternal Staff” and that primarily scales with ARC

@@Mostly_Useless_Individual so there's legit only 2 staves???

@@ayro0638 Yes, only two staves and three seals, sadly.

@@Mostly_Useless_Individual damn, I wonder if they'll explain why. This game got me into playing mage in EVERYTHING. I've been missing out, but only 2 is crazy. I don't wanna be a battle mage?

Moon slam (although they need to buff it with hyper armor) and teleport are still pretty good for that.

Also the finger spell and thorn armor one are literally made for melee.

@@FelisImpurrator true but none of them give the same vibe as gavel of haima or loretta great bow

​@@user-rf5pz7vc2bThey might not look flashy but the blink spell and the finger mesh seem like they'd really throw people off in PVP. Plus if the fingers can tank like they seem to you might be able to eat big attacks from bosses.

@@kirbyis4ever I tested them, unfortunately only blink is good. Finger mesh spell has low hitstun and range, so even if you hit someone in pvp, you lose priority... which is so dumb. So you hit them (best case scenario with that little range and no hyperarmor), but you still need to roll away afterwards, because they can mash out of hitstun so early they'll get you no matter what you do. It's so bad, makes me sad. Also, the tracking spells suck hard, you can literally walk sideways and it'll miss.

I'm pretty sure it's bugged because I never get the 3rd attack. I just get the 2 moons and that's it. Currently using carian regal sceptor

Agree so much, I too want a trap type spell that lasts for more than 2 seconds after u cast it. The closest thing we have is flame of the fell God (incantation). Even the new finger spell doesn't last long enough to be useful and takes forever to cast.

Not optimized for sorc, no talismans or rune, staff was upgraded and int was 72

We have to git gud 😂 what you mean!

@@khatzeye it’s more like get an extra 40 levels so you have the poise to get off the cool new spells lol but I hear ya

Is it really that bad for mages?

@@ZeriocTheTankeh it’s as bad as it’s always been. All spells need legit casting time to be cut in half. Otherwise you need to spend a ton of levels on poise to get spells off. Mage is still a blast but it’s so tricky and takes a ridiculous amount of patience ha

I refuse to change lol I love the moon spell but damn

it involves the player character slamming down into the ground with their staff, similar to what happens in the boss fight

u dont need the staff, u just hold the button down

@@panpan4757 wonder why they didnt show it then

@@sythrus maybe it was from the beta and wasnt implemented or they didnt know

@@panpan4757 fair, the move is pretty bad without it though

It does!

It’s on the wiki check count Ymir page

Yeah, that was shit

they're useless...

They are amazing, and I didn’t understand the complaints until I saw the new incantations. The sorceries could definitely have been better

Visuals do not equate to enemies dead.

Most of them are not very good, or just sorta new effect on same old thing. There are also not many compared to incantations; which got some very useful ones, and many of them are more unique. It just feels like they put these in there because they felt they had to, and not because they felt particularly inspired like it seems with incantations and weapons.

​@@mantis733195% of the sorceries in the game are useless. This isn't new

damage sucks plus most miss

Really bad, already sticking to night comet build, at least I don't have to concern myself with hunting these down early

Totally agree

@@Neobro I honestly think this is a perfect example of something FROM does that is just meh at best - that could and should be done so much better - that will be overlooked because people are desperate to preserve the myth of FROM/Souls perfection. I like the games well enough, but time and again, in many ways, FROM just makes terrible choices or design things in weird ways, or neglect things, or break things or whatever, and it all gets by and large, ignored/forgiven despite making the games worse or at least, preventing them from being better. I'm so tired of people not holding FROM to higher standards. We're so starved for quality that when something comes along that isn't AAA exploitative trash, we think its from heaven or something, but it isn't. Elden Ring is a solid 7.5/10 which is a good score, and totally fine, but as I said before, it can and should be better in measurable ways that are easy to impliment or whatever, but FROM refuse to. And their janky almost resentful handling of magic in their games is one such example. Like... these spells are embarassing. Like, video game design school bad. OK, not bad but just, not great, ya know? They have all the money and talent in the world and we get... this?! Rant over lol

Yeah the new sorceries don't look too impressive 🫤

Yea they rather shifted there focus towards all the weapons instead of sorcery and incantations (some of them) the faith and int base weapons are very very good

It’s close to the grace right before Messmer, there’s videos around to find it

Which are good int weapons? Im a mage and have many points in int

I was hoping that Death Sorceries would get more love, instead they got an off-shoot

@@theshackledgamer799they are still death sorceries and honestly 2 out of the 3 are extremely strong for death sorcery builds and gravity got love as well. The finger spells are cool looking but without hyper armor while casting and them hitting like a wet noodle I see no point in them (hopefully they get a buff)

@Zach-qo1on look, I like the two new ones and the new Death Sorcery and Ashes of War are cool. Death Knight armor is stellar, I just wanted to see more Ghostflame.

Where? The only decent things are the two katanas, more oriented for dex, and the frost aromatic...the rest are underwhelming, spirit sword or the thrusting catalist...the could have given us a new "haysel pick" but I'm pretty sure it can't have the same combo potential...meanwhile faith and arcane got quite a lot of infusible and ash of war changing weapons...pure int builds got nothing to be creative...

Carian sovereignty does Mega stance damage, otherwise agree.

​@@higguma yeah but it takes ages to charge it up, and with everything in the DLC already being so fast, the only time you can really pull that off is when the boss is already stance-broken, or when you have a cooperator or a summon distracting the boss. And in that case you'll probably miss because the boss is just moving away

It doesn't unfortunately. Also no Hyperarmor, so it's incredibly bad.