They both where literally like brothers Hythlodaeus was always by his side. He stood by him like a brother. Emit loved Hythlodaeus in a brotherly way of course it's soo clear to see. Every time Hythlodaeus asked him something he always said yes but only for him.

Not for a second.

I legit said "I'M SORRY!" out loud after the final cutscene.

Right fools we were for that

As she probably would respect us more for it. Did you not understand why she did it?

@@natediaz1863 I agree with you actually

Zenos probably one of Azem shards if that the case

@@dale7326 The man stole his body back from Elidibus from beyond the grave. He absolutely is. lol

no the wol is azem @@dale7326

im going with the scientific term so i may be speaking bs. When emet says "for eons have i been measuring your worth and found you lacking" the important part being Eons an eon is billions of years. So she has seen for billions of years us be reborn and hoping to finally have one version of us worthy to end the final days

After everything that was done with hades telling us she was a primal which the man barely ever lied to us in shadowbringers adding on to the fact she became a primal eons ago I can safely say us being cautious is the correct course of action at that time but do I regret it well like everyone after this cutscene yes yes I do but like I said at that time before endwalker began any one of us had that right to be cautious given what we knew

Never stopped

Can you really blame us? Shadowbringers was really painting her in a bad light and we believed it

I doubted Haurchefant. I was like, nah, he can't be that good hearted and bubbly. Boy did I feel like shit.

I never did, he was the only person who was nice to us in the entire Coerthas. I wanted to burn Coerthas to the ground back in 2.0

Do you not remember shb?

That question/response DOES change some of the dialogue you get when you meet her before/after the trial. I did the story with someone and we chose different responses to see...and yeah it matter.

My favorite and Emit and Hythlodaeus those ones are the people I love

They weren't trying to unsummon Him. They wanted to restore him and restore the world to what it was before the Final Days

​@HimitsuYami Which would ultimately be impossible.

It isn't just a comparison though. You're literally a fragmented Azem whereas even though she stepped down she remains thr literal embodiment of it.

Why what did u play before this ??

@@Exteliongamer the final fantasy franchise i, ii, iii, iv, v, vi, vii, viii, ix, x, skipped xi, xii, xiii, xiii-2, xiii-3, xv. world of final fantasy, final fantasy type 0 , final fantasy mobius, final fantasy dimensions 2, kingdom hearts 1, re coded, chain of memories, kingdom hearts 358/2 days, kingdom hearts 2, unchained x, chi...and more, tails of franchise, final fantasy vii remake, nier franchise, death stranding, uncharted...and many more.

@@Exteliongamer before i saw this i was more into classic/more modern jrpg games not online jrpg games but after that i had a change of heart.

@@roivinikmossel2998 oh a fellow jrpg player 😄 yea ff14 hits more like a jrpg than a mmorpg but it’s still kinda both that’s why it’s good

Venat could had given her the choice to return, but I'm sure Minfilia's convictions is what made her remain as Hydaelyn's voice. It was of her own volition, and that's probably why Thancred was so spiteful of Ryne at first.

I don't think Venat could give her back. When Minfillia went into the lifestream her physical body was lost. Y'shtola for as much a meme as it is, has gotten lucky twice in being able to be pulled back out. When Minfilia left to the first her aether as it is would have rejoined the firsts aether pool if she had not learned via the Ascians how to jump bodies, and the only reason she likely could is because her aether was dense enough to do it assuming she jumped into bodies that had her fragment of a soul on the first. At least in Endwalker Hydaelyn did say she managed to pull Minfillias aether back to the source she loved so much. So eventually Minfillia will be reborn on the source. (whether her rejoining with her fragmented soul on the first will be enough for her to be able to recall who she was when she is reborn is another matter though I suppose.) Since lore wise it hasn't really been discussed the full implications that the WoL, Minfillia, and possibly Graha are the only 3 that have had their souls rejoined past the tipping point that they are closer to being ancients vs fragments of themselves.

minfillia fans are not real

I think you are the only one? 99% of players hated Minfilia. Ryne is so much better. I'm glad with this compromise.

Gotta agree with Subasu in that you gotta be one of the rare few. Minfilia was USELESS. The Scions ran far better and more smoothly when she was gone. She had the echo, but was totally useless. Krile (and she admits this herself) cannot keep up with the other Scions in a fight. Yet even SHE steps up when the echo is needed due to primals. Minfilia couldn't fight at all, never learned, never asked (there are side quests you can pull info out of Thancred, he had offered to teach her MORE THAN ONCE). Shadowbringers fixed Minfilia with Ryne. Ryne is what we wanted Minfilia to be, someone with conviction who was willing to fight. Got into fights way above her capability, stood while shaking even at what she was facing, but refused to back down. THIS is what Minfilia should have been.

Oh, he was evil, but understandably so. The pain of lonliness, the desperation of losing everyone you loved and cherished, the madness of things never being quite perfect. "The past I fought for is not the future you fight for, that is why I lost."~Emet-Selch The best bad guys are the ones we can relate to.

I laughed so hard as his fist line in Ultima Thule was "Venat is laughing somewhere."

What about it confused you? What Venat did was the opposite side of the same coin the Acsians tossed. When she realized that the ancients would do anything including up to letting the entire star be destroyed for hope of the good old days returning she knew the only other options for life to continue, was either escaping the star or fighting Meteion. Ethically she was just as bad as the acsians because she made a heavy decision for the entire world without their say, but it was the only way to make sure life continued. So she sundered the star into shards and diminished every surviving ancients soul into a piece on each shard. At the end when she was taking blows, that was the metaphoric representation of one of the shards rejoining the source and the cataclysmic amount of lives lost when each rejoining happened. (at least that's how I took it).

[SPOILERS BELOW] Chain of events goes roughly like this. Skip below 3rd line for Venat's part. > Hermes bid Meteion run and soon, the calamity begins. > The Ascians, in their desperation, created/summoned Zodiark, to stop it, at the cost of sacrificing half of all the population. > The next plan is to then sacrifice most, or all, of the remaining second half to have Zodiark return their world to its days of glory. ----- > Venat, being the only one who remembers the cause for the calamity, tries to steer the Ascians away from this backward plan, knowing full well it would only delay the inevitable. > They refuse, the people could not accept losing so much of what they loved, the peace they cherished, could not see that it was flawed and created this outcome. > Venat, with no choice remaining to her, turned herself into a primal and sundered their world, splitting them into 'mirrors' of each other, its people broken apart into different reflections, shadows of themselves, our current existence is one of many. > She then proceeds to watch and endure, for millenia, the pain, suffering, death and despair brought about by her sundering, in the hopes that they will find an answer to Hermes's trial. > Part of it, is that three of her fellow Ascians survived, that being Emet, Elidibus and Lahabrea. They represent the remnants of that refusal to accept the death of all they cherished. > As a consequence of choosing not to tell anyone else of Hermes' actions as a calculated risk, though it is by their own choice, she watches her friends (the three unsundered) lose themselves to madness and time, slowly constructing mass-extinction events and untold torment as they attempt to fulfil the original plan. (reminder, despite being eternal beings, Ascians did not normally live very long, with some exceptions, it is part of their culture to die once they've done enough for the world) > At the end of this cutscene, she explains that when we went into the past, we altered the events, creating a new timeline, but it would 'merge' into our present. --- I know this comment is 10 months old, but I still felt like writing this, for luls.

Because Zodiark was born of a single purpose.

Zodiark was still and always was a primal the first primal designed for a purpose. To protect the planet from her song of demise. And the ones who made him wanted to sacrifice half of their already dwindling people after they stopped the final days. Zodiark never had a mind of its own and the ones who worshipped it wanted to live in a bubble of a utopia while the rest of existence burned. My theory is if zodiark ever left to go fight metieon it would have left the star unprotected and let an already dying star or a newly born fragment of a star to be completely consumed. It was that or let the ascians win and all the fragments would have been destroyed and consumed all of their aether to make zodiark create their little utopia they wanted so much. Killing pretty much billions of billions and leaving a few alive as shells of their former selves :(

Think of it this way. Zodiark was created to shield Etheirys (The Source and the shards when they were still whole) from Meteion, and Venat was here to prevent anyone from tampering with Zodiark to allow him to destroy the world. When she sundered everything in that scene, she merely split all of existence into 14 different shards. These now make up the Source and its reflections. The people are still here, they're just... split. A fraction of what they were. So that they cannot ever get as close to messing with Zodiark ever again. Speaking of which, yes that includes Zodiark as well. If he's not whole, then he can't do anything that would endanger the world. And that explains why Emet-Selch tried to do his grand plan of re-joining the shards, so that he could finally have access to Zodiark once more and start anew. But god damn that last line of hers before she did the ultimate split will stay with me forever as my favorite quote. "No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk."

The reason Venat did all of this is because she firmly believed that the people of Elpis were wrong in their reasons for living. She believed that life needs a balance of struggle and happiness, lest one becomes far more dominant than the other. We've seen what happens to worlds out of balance in The Dead Ends, where one world's people perished because lacking struggle and challenge, people became complacent, bored and tired of living when every day was the same. Venat prevented the rise of Zodiark because she wanted the people of Elpis to realize this as they go on living. That all the times they had this perfect Utopia, it wasn't normal - it was luxury, and they've enjoyed it for far too long. Venat opposes Meteion's theory. Meteion claimed that all worlds will succumb to despair and perish and Venat wants to prove that Meteion is wrong - that mankind on Etheirys has the strength and willpower to live with discord and harmony, not an abundance of either. At the same time, Venat isn't stupid and knows that people are prone to making mistakes, as we've seen with the rise of the empire. Knowing that she has no way of guaranteeing that Etheirys is ready to intercept and stop Meteion, she prepared her own version of the Doomsday protocol on the moon, ready to evacuate mankind because she loves her people in spite of her harsh treatment. That's the reason Hydaelyn doesn't work with Zodiark. They oppose each other in their fundamental ideals - Hydaelyn stands for growth and balance, Zodiark stands for complacency and ignorant bliss.

The scene is a metaphor. Those people represent (most of, some of the Ancients stood with Venat) the Ancient's society and their refusal to accept what she was saying

No, the WoL and Ardbert are the current Azem who was sundered by Venat. Venat was the previous Azem having stepped down from the Convocation.

To further what Clifton said, Venat was also the current Azem's (unsundered WoL) mentor. She recommended the new Azem to the position.

The part where we see our char walk towards Emet is likely meant to represent how she was always with us in our journey, in the Blessing of Light

@@rainbowsnail4171 It's also a throwback to the end of Shadowbringers where Emet Selch saw the outline of another Ascian and says it cannot be, then the visage fades. He saw Venat in that brief moment but to us it was a mystery who it was at the time.

@@samsara3993 Interesting, I was thinking it was unsundered Azem he saw.