I'm with you, especially since I use controller lol. Less buttons tends to help with that, and I do also just enjoy having to think a little bit more about where I am and what I should be doing. I absolutely love Astro and managing its deck, but since that's not really going to be a thing any more, I think this might help fill the gap a bit. Plus, it's an FF6 job and 6 is my GOAT.

@@DarkAura19 Also using a controller. My go to healer has been Sage so far because I like shield healing over "oh shit I need to heal". Astro always seemed like you need a phd to play.

Damn. Viper makes my head dizzy xD Def gonna need that guide of yours when dt is out. Good thing I plan to start out with picto so I wont panic.

I can believe that, the fact that there’s specifically using six elements is a funny coincidence. Plus that did happen back in Stormblood, Red mage was originally gonna be Geomancer, but was changed in development because having two eastern themed jobs in a game that’s divided between two continents didn’t come out right.

Personally, I'm really hoping Geomancer will be next expansion's Tank class. I'm thinking it could have a huge focus on Elemental magic. Earth magic to mitigate incoming damage, Water magic to heal yourself, and Fire magic to deal damage. And your 1-2-3 combo generates those types of magic guage in sequence. For their weapon, I'm thinking a Hand-Axe and a shield, just to take that monopoly away from Paladins. To be honest, I mostly just want this because one of my favorite MMO classes ever was the Shaman Tank in Vanilla WoW. Which was insanely fun, but so underpowered that the devs gave up and just made it a DPS.

9 for Viper. Maybe 6 for Picto

I mean, same. But also, I feel bothered that they took all the stuff from other jobs which were simplified even more than before and then gave some form of it to Viper. They took Monk's DoT and more restrictive-yet-free flowing combo (if what they said about making its combo work like other jobs, where they can press any button at any time, but have a full on linear rotation they must perform to maximize damage, because only one button at a time gains the potency benefit) and Ninja's management of an ASPD buff (which I'm not as pissed off about, but still feels weird that they'd remove it and immediately give it to another job). Don't get me wrong, the job looks cool, but I'm just nervous because as much as button bloat is a thing, as a monk main it ticks me off that part of the more unique aspects of it seem to have been moved to an entirely different job because they needed something to give to it.

​@@KuroeNezumi i completely get where you're coming from, as i'm a monk main as well. I think it's easy to look at systems getting changed from one kind of resource management to another, and feel like things are getting more simple, or that the job has lost some key identity, especially when the new flashy job gets a similar system to the one your job lost. BUT as it stands, the changes to monk and ninja aren't actually gonna impact the feel of the jobs too much, and who knows, we might actually find out that we prefer the new versions. Don't get me wrong, i felt my spirit leave my body when i initially read the monk changes on the liveletter just as clearly as any other monk main, but now i'm just excited to get my hands on the DT version of the jobs. (RIP optimal drift) and honestly? Viper steals features from all the melees 😂

I'd guess one can get the general idea and where the rotation wants to go by just playing it a bit. Maybe wrong orders, but likely not "oh, i played it COMPLETELY wrong" as if you'd play a BLM mainly in ice phase

Agreed

They added a new melee because they're rounding out the Scouting job. Maiming had a duo, Striking had a duo, and then there was NIN. Next expansion will probably see a fourth Phys Ranged.

It is worth noting that we are getting the beast master limited job, which we haven't seen yet as well

@@penrilfakeBLITZBALL!!!

@@backslash4141 It's a limited job. If I wanted to play single player content, I'd go play a single player game.

The base combo really is a huge bit of confusion. Once you can play with it yourself while having the chart in mind, it will click. And someone even just said Happy video confused them and mine is fine lol. Given this isn't following the 1-100 structure could be part of why, its very fundamentally differently structured. I'm sure Happy's version is fine, its a matter of needing a different way of explaining it. Try his or anyone else's and maybe you'll get it, unless you truly just want to wait.

Nope, as I say it seems build with condensing in mind. It has 0 options for splitting skills up

@@WeskAlber unfortunate, but understandable. Thx sir.

Different in that you need to actually stop everything to worry about upkeep. Where every other job just hits stuff on CD, Picto has to stop and work on their stuff.

Maybe once I get to the 1-100 guide.

DRG already has been doing this since 2.0. It'll be fine I expect

If they're 2 seperate combos, is there any reason to un-combine them? Not like they allow you to do different orders like DRG with either the dmg or debuff paths after the first strike

They can't or they don't give you all the info. If a skill does a lot it does a lot. Hell they even missed something on this one

@WeskAlber Issue is giving separate naming terminologies of 2-3 buffs from same action, then elaborating what each of them do making it longer. They need to just give simple straightforward info and remove the terminologies.

Viper has very few buttons actually. Notice how nearly the entire toolkit for ST fits on 12 buttons.

@@WeskAlber hm would you say if you are used to ninja (main) viper will feel easy ? because the high apm viper has looks definitly harder to do on controller than k&m but that could also be just me haha

@@_Zeshia Proper placement, I think it will be easy

Dragoon.

@@WeskAlber dragoon got two charges on a ability that restores portion of hp based on dmg dealt As well as got higher physical defense and more hp than samurai and ninja

Life Surge is used for damage and doesn't augment defense. See what I said about Bloodbath with that argument. Either way, that is healing, not mitigation. Most raid damage is Magical, which all melees share M.Def. You should be worried about Physical Ranged which have less HP, the same M.Def AND no Personals. Even without Personals (which Red Mage lacks too), Mages have a higher M.Def stat that slightly balances it out. Melee HP values are pretty comparable. My DRG/RPR has 83105. NIN/VPR has 82433. Less than a 1% difference at current levels. 1% is a difference for sure, but not that much. To the point that people have complained plenty that DRG doesn't have a personal either. Homogenizing for the sake of it is pretty pointless.

@@WeskAlber still majority of the jobs got their way of keeping themselves alive for some time when healer is down, im not talking about savage content where red mage removes vercure from the hotbar. Im talking about dailies and normal content when getting a bad healer/tank is common and a melee job not having in their kit anything to protect themself is simply a bad design in the current sate of jobs. Add to that too that viper does not bring anything outside of their dmg Zero buffs or party wide mitigation in exchange for survivability

@@piconio If Life Surge counts, see again, Bloodbath. VPR is very speedy even outside of Reawakening. This makes Bloodbath better by default. Further, given the relative simplicity of Viper's toolkit being mostly GCD based, even after the potencies are reduced (most Tour potencies tend to go down from my experience) you'll still be doing bigger hits. Bloodbath is also a "portion of damage" making it scale stronger with bigger hits. This is true regardless of the content. Hence my original point. They may be leaning into Bloodbath more as far as not needing a personal. Viper is not the most squishy DPS, and the squishiest DPS has been surviving raidwides no problems for years. As for casual content, it's casual content. You can survive even Tank Busters usually. This is with or without personals. Personals aren't even good in casual content because of their relatively low value. If your tank died in wall to wall, Bloodbath is the thing that will save you due to AoE damage scaling. In a Boss, you'd use it on a tank buster that you should be able to survive anyway. It is in those Savage contexts where the problems would begin. Where a single raidwide can do 100% of your HP when unmitigated. Finally, Vercure being removed from a RDM's bar in Savage? That's incorrect. Vercure still has usage in Savage and Ultimate. For healing in downtime - it's free in downtime after all - and for Dualcast procs. Which still isn't a mitigation, which still means RDM has no self mit, which I don't think anyone has called poor design.

Visuals are the best part