I had a healer once who just straight up didn't heal. We almost cleared the fight before he killed me (the other healer) by dropping a mechanic on me, with me pretty much solo healing it, the un-cleared log (wiped at 5%) was uploaded, and I had a 95% parse on Healing because the other guy just...wasn't doing it, at all.

I stopped playing Classic WoW because of Parsing. I did not pay much attention to my rotation but rather preferred having a good time and making sure to follow the boss mechanics. I had like 70-80% parsing, while everyone else in the guild had like 90-100% and they told me I had to follow some parsing guide in order to continue raiding with them. I found this extremely offputting, considering how trivial the content in Classic is.

I remember being in a static where another dps tried to blame me for missing the enrage due to low dps, when he died twice during the fight. "Yeah, but when I don't die, look how high I am"

As long as the proper thresholds are being met parsing is really truly irrelevant for most content. In WOW it was usually only when you got to the late mythic bosses in the raids to even the last boss where that 1 percent or 2 percent or whatever else really mattered. Everything else...As long as the boss died and people had half a brain it was more than fine.

I did Bahamut's Coil when RR came out. Some of my static used parsers and told me my dps was low. However I was the smn. In T7 I was the kiter so it was perfectly reasonable for my dps to be lower because I had so many other things to look out for. Also whenever someone died, it was my job to swift cast+rez them so the healers didn't have too. When HW came out I had a different job in real life and couldn't raid with my static anymore. I briefly tried joining others but nothing stuck. One thing I told people and it's true to this day. When first going into a raid/extreme trial or whatever, turn OFF your damn parser. Your still learning the mechanics. Your DPS is not a concern. If you make it to the end of the fight without dying and wipe to the enrage, you essentially won. Now you just need to perfect when to pop you cd's, your not geared enough yet or your team sucks :P

I am a multi tier 99 average parser and I absolutely agree with this video. Many examples such as e9s, WHM would intentionally ask the party to take the clouds down to 50% hp and then let them through so the WHM can afflatus misery + assize all 4 clouds + the boss but this strat to pad WHM parse was extremely dangerous. 1 second miss timed between all 8 teammates and a cloud would go through. This tier, speed runners would drop tankbusters on the party in p3s to build LB gauge. However, I still enjoy parsing because it tests the limit of our classes and player skill. Never let a parse define who you are but its totally ok to enjoy the concept of parsing. Just don’t have an ego about it.

I agree with Asmon and Chair here. I am fine with parsing in general, as it can be a great tool to find your weak points and find places of improvement (do you need to heal more, do you need to do more DPS, how can you manage your OGCDs or DoTs better), and can be great in a static if everyone is open to criticism (i.e. X person is doing a bit too little damage at this part, looks like we don't have enough DPS to beat enrage, wipe and let's not waste time). However, in PF if the description isn't a parse party then don't bring the parsing mentality to the party. Notice how few top players boast about their accomplishments in FFLogs unless they are being ironic (see Xenos, Arthars) because their skill in clearing content is more important than getting some arbitrary number unless they are in a parsing group.

A few notes. raidDPS is the default metric, so support jobs get their extra damage attributed to them. Also, DPS that just ignore mechanics either get damage down or wipe the raid (which discourages greed).

28:35 if some of you did not know, people passing a mechanic through invulnerability was the meta for a US datacenter/server party finder meta for so long, the players rioted over each other in party finder until more players decided to a safer strategy.

One of the reasons I stopped playing World of Tanks almost ten years ago was because of how invested I got in my stats. It's not exactly parsing, but it's similar. I was so focused on maintaining my rankings that the game became more about winning at any cost than actually enjoying the game, and I would do things in matches that didn't necessarily benefit my team if it meant I could get more damage or assists. Usually that does help the team, but not always. It was a very selfish playstyle. And man, would I get mad when I lost a match. It was insane, and when I put a dent in my refrigerator door after I punched it and broke a headset or two after throwing them, I realized I should probably stop playing something that made me so angry, so I quit. Probably one of the best decisions I've ever made, as much as I loved the game. I've pretty much stopped playing any PvP games or game modes now for the same reasons, I get way too invested. I start shaking and sweating and shit. I don't look at stat trackers anymore either. I get too wrapped up in performing well and I get tunnel vision, I lose perspective, and it's not good for my health. I'm just glad I recogized this problem while I was still in my 20's.

FFlogs ruined FF14's endgame for me. Instead of just focusing on killing the boss, every group I had when I did savage demanded that we should do risky uPtImE-strats which were really risky and often result in the entire group wiping if just one person made a mistake. When I offered alternative strategies that ensured everyone's survival and being way less complicated, they complained "but muh parse! but muh uptime!". Also, the same groups instantly gave up and everyone jumped off a platform just because someone died, someone got hit and received a damage down-debuff or did not do enough crits 10 seconds into the fight "I did not crit once in my opener. my log is ruined. Let's wipe". And even if we managed to kill a boss, party members would run the logs through an automated analyzer and be like "excuse me, the tool shows at 1:30 min into the fight you were not doing anything for half a second and at 2:01 you clipped a GCD and thus lost 0.2 seconds in your uptime. You need to improve that!". It was so obnoxious.

For a lot of high-end raiders, clearing is a when, not if thing so parsing is extra content. There's no question that raiders will clear the content, it isn't hard enough to them to slow them down. To a lot of raiders, 4 savage fights every 2 patches just isn't enough content, but parsing stretches out the savage content that exists However, if you treat it as anything more than just a high score board, you're an idiot. A lot of midcore raiders treat parsing as a quantification of skill when it's just getting a high score.

WHM main in FFXIV and never even new this was a thing. I always just did damage when I could as long as my team was safe.

As a Main WHM, im so triggered when i have a healer in the grp who literally heals too late or never. DPS is Key for a healer, but only if it is not meaning to let your grp die. I had as a Tank or dps so many healers that started healing at 10 or 5 % LP and got mad because the tank died. Its your MAIN JOB to Heal, as a healer and your other Job to dps if theres nothing else in the way like a dying tank!

Further context: the move 'Kaiten' was recently removed from samurais' toolkit because of "excessive skill bloat". Basically, too many skills to fit on a hotbar. A lot of SAM mains hate this change, which most likely came about because people complained about SAM parse damage.

personally, I like to see my parse when we recleared because I just like to want the line going up with each reclear :) but it's mostly because I get better gear, as long as I clear / reclear, i'm happy :D

Parsing only really shows dps in like a burn phase, doesn’t show a player’s ability to problem solve or stay out of aoe’s

15:00 in E8S, we had an infamous mechanic called light rampant, what made that mechanic horrible is that it was random what you would need to do and if you were tethered to an orb it was essentially guaranteed dps loss. Me and my friends have blacklisted so many people because of that mechanic, because what they would do is that they would purposefully fail the mechanic causing a wipe and because that mechanic flashbang you when you fail it, most people would not notice that you caused the wipe, but at some point we started recording the fights and if someone caused a wipe and didn't speak up, we would initially call them out on it and if they refused to cooperate, we would kick and blacklist them.

It's been a while since I played WoW or just raided at all. But I clearly remember doing the Elegon fight and there was this Death Knight that would not move off the boss even when you had to run off the platform before in went away. I asked him to move and he just said "Moving is a dps loss" and these are the type of people this video is about.

Asmon is 100% right. Parsing is more dangerous and has a lower success rate of clearing even in ff with damage downs. What happens with damage downs in ff is if a parser gets a damage down the just instantly wipe instead of continuing to try imo that’s worse.

yeah i’ve never used act but do do more end game content with people who do and it’s kinda crazy how much more stressed they are about playing sometimes, like it’s okay to have fun and forget the numbers for a bit!

Yeah the logs don't count things in like burst windows. Like you can actually have a better parse by having the fight take longer if it ends right after you are done with your burst which ups your damage.

18:00 While meta gaming can get results. It actually isn't necessary in FF14. Yes, obviously you need to know how to fight. That's what the Stone, Sea, Sky dummies are there for: to test if you know how to do good damage. At the end of the day, the power to score high damage is insignificant next to the power of doing the mechanics right or even GOD MODING the fucking fight.

I've played an MMO where there were separate graphs for Damage inflicted, Support, Damage tanked, etc. and if you're better at any of these things than you get a little bonus reward so everyone could find their own niche.

The only thing I use ACT for is to throw it onto XIV analysis and to figure out where I can personally improve. Some of my best parses are blues and I couldn't care less about pushing them any higher due to how toxic the top end of parsing can be with manipulating fights and doing counter productive strats just to artificially push my DPS higher for an epeen reward. The only metric of a fight that matters is "did you beat enrage?"

Honestly its a good way to see if your groups damage is up to a fight, Downside is people focus so much on there parse they will kill the group................ Edit: I main summoner and I will add, If im top 2 dps in logs it means the other dps isn't doing there job lol

I think the only times i even saw my parse as a tank was when the group i was filling in for was discussing it. I wasn't even properly geared for it, so it surprised nobody that it was grey. But i was able to tank the extreme and keep up with the mechanics, so the group got their clears. Even called me back to do the next and walked away with a few crystal weapons for my trouble.

I only did Emerald Nightmare in WoW for story reasons. And that's when I started to fall off the cliff of WoW

Honestly I get why Yoshida doesn't want logs. I also agree with the underlying point he's making. But I do personally believe that as long as you are being responsible and courteous it should be fine. I mean, I use ACT but only as an aid to optimize my own rotation and better learn new classes. But if a day came that SE put the kebash on mods I wouldn't complain. At the end of the day rules are broken and punishments may happen. It sucks but we aren't the rule makers.

They didn't touch on it, but I think "Tank Parsers" are the worst. I basically got kicked from my guild for blue tank parses because "I wasn't doing enough damage." Meanwhile the other tank would literally sacrifice me and the healers mana for an orange parse. It was a whole 700dps more than my parse (about 10%)

fuck parsers, parsing and meta-slaves, all my homies just clear the content, enjoy the game, have fun, and intrinsically want to improve.

In most FFXIV savage and ultimate fights you have to do the mechanics correctly or you get a damage down.

I fucking hate that shit when people mess up the fights just because they want to get a good parse. It gets even worse too. It always brings me back to that time in Rift when there were a few groups of us hitting some powerful enemy I don't even remember anymore. Something out in the world. Some of the people were part of some raid killed, and the main tank was one of them. I was playing Warrior, and started doing more damage than their prized DPS warrior so the tank started turning the boss to try and get it to cleave me to death so their 1337 d3wd could get back on top.

You could relate this to WoW as well. Thing is, WoW itself doesn't really give a lot of classes "meaningful choice". The meta's kind of fix themselves because a certain talent in a talent line is usually WAY more optimal than the other 2 talents competing.

Joined a guild for tbc phase 1 raiding. Started off missing about 4/5 pre raid bis/ bis, the buddys i made in the guild helped me get those pieces, 2 weeks later parsed and out dpsed the hunter/mage as fury warr and got kicked for it. And yes it was for that i had 3 friends confirm and then a few weeks later the whole guild disbanded 🤦‍♂️

The moment he said you aren't dying due to lack of DPS took me right back to mythic ursoc. The one and only time I have ever put my foot down and said flat out I'm not doing another pull as tank until one more lockout of farming. So many ursoc wipes.

In 9.0 I had orange on healing and DPS (at the same time) for multiple bosses in the heroic of the raid, with some of them in the top few worldwide simply because I chose to heal Nathia on a fistweaver monk and well, there were basically 2 other people worldwide playing that spec so yeah... ;) Not hard to be #4 worldwide when it's a contest between 3 people. :P (Jokes aside though, I actually outparsed the other healers in our group on both healing and damage because even though I picked the most off-meta healer of the tier, I knew my class and spec better than they did theirs - and I focused on that parse over the mechanics to purposefully push the numbers - with the exception of one other semi-often show up PUG healer who would out-parse me anytime they could stay alive - that healer was so parse focused they spent most fights dead because they'd ignore move out mechanics in order to try to push their parse more. Soley because I was doing the same thing but also moving, I usually outparsed them in the night's over-all totals).

I generally focus on perfecting fight mechanics and clearing with my static before we go for parse runs. But that’s just it, I’m in a pre-made group of friends and we have fun going for those big and pretty orange/pink numbers. But those first few runs are clear runs that tend to be smooth we end up blue and purple hell sometimes green and grey. Parsing with randos or people who want to clear can be hella toxic for the reasons stated in the vid.

I do like to look at my parses if they are good, but i dont really care if they are bad. In the end a clear is a clear and someone damage woud have to be REALLY low so that i would start to care. Funny enough we lately had such a moment in our static when we recruited a new healer who had little to no knowledge of his job and his damage was below half of what his class averagly does. He was dead half the time, "forgot" to press his damage spells, healed overexcesivly and all that really made me consider if i dont want to start seeing logs before i recruit people. I never really got before why people want to see logs or why people are willing to show logs if they apply for a static but since that incedent ...... yeah i kinda see where they are coming from.

I tried to get into parsing as a healer,,, it was then I learned every dps and tank was willing to grief to get extra damage and put it on the healers to basically carry them through the dmg so we never got our logs anyway, and then I became a blue parser that just,, didn't care and would just heal everyone if they took any extra dmg bc i just wanted to clear and everyone had the damage anyway, and then had random people, that didn't even clear the content, that would look into my logs for no reason tell me my clears werent deserved because of my parse lmao

support classes are great, but they also force you to take them into any group pve content if you want have an easier time bdo added 1 single support only class, shai, and its basically doubling the group damage on PvE content, its crazy. Some people even take shai friends for solo end game spots that are really hard to kill the mobs, the shai does her thing and u get the loot and then after 1 hour you swap roles xD

I jumped into savage in EW and found a group that wanted on content clears and I main a tank, great so I OT as gnb as its the class im most familiar with and enjoy the most. after getting BiS we would do reclears where everyone swapped roles just to get those classes geared. on reclear we had pld/war, sge/whm, dancer, drg, mch, rdm. the only thing I noticed that instead of easily beating enrage we would often see the very beginning of the enrage cast when we cleared. We went in day 1 with a stacked group as we could get, war/gnb, ast/sch, rpr, mnk, smn, brd and got absolutely smacked till we figured out mechanics then it was prog as normal. lesson i learned it isnt the class that matters but the person playing the class.

Top parsing, at least in WoW is absolutly 99% manufactured and 1% incredible RNG luck. I used to care about my parses a lot untill the last few years or so when I came to the realisation that it is so unbelievably unimportant in the long run. Your Cutting Edge/Curve achievements stay on your profile forever, nobody cares about your random parse from ten years ago on X boss.

My opinion is that the FFXIV devs should clarify in tool tips what the different stats quantifiably do in the game in the attribute screen tooltips. Right now, stuff like critical hit rate doesn't actually say what your critical hit chance is against a mob of your level. Same for every other stat. These totally arbitrary, vague numbers creates an echo chamber where people can gaslight each other about certain stats being best and has led to players having to reverse engineer their actual effect. It won't get rid of all parsing, but it will make people less reliant on parses to provide context.

Parsing is why I stopped raiding Mythic... I put too much worth into it, and actually stopped having fun when I got below a 90%... On mythic bosses... I was actually upset when I did better... than 89% of the player base. Not to mention that you're 100% correct Asmon... holy crap the number of people that torpedoed our progression so that they could parse was just mind blowing. The cannister boss in CN comes to mind... In the first weeks of progression that boss was a.... SINGLE TARGET ENCOUNTER. But nooooo have to optimize our burst on the three adds that die in less than 8 seconds right? Missed the ST dps check repeatedly for the first 50ish pulls. Was intensely frustrating.

I never looked on BEST < THING > in any game ever, UNLESS I get literally locked in the game and cant progress after trying a lot of times on my own, best example for me was Darkest Dungeon, I had to look at guides to finish the DLC maps

Parsing is only useful in regards to knowing you are doing the correct rotations, but that's about it. Otherwise it doesn't matter at all.

How it was handled in every relevant guild I was in, Adept and BDG, hide logs until progression is over and 1 additional re-clear, and then turn them on. Parsing can be enjoyable for the 6 months of no new content to keep people interested and coming to raid, but it's 100% toxic during progression. Another guild I was in, we had Rogues on Deathwing that would not target the parasite and would just blade flurry it, we wiped for a week to it blowing up with tanks doing more damage than the rogues. Keep in mind, for Spine of deathwing, Rogues were brought for single target burst damage. This was all while I was linking damage done to the parasite and they wouldn't change their play to kill the boss because it would lower their overall damage.

Generally I use FFlogs as a way to track my damage output and find ways to improve my rotation and overall gameplay in general. Outside of that I don't really care too much about the damage of others. I think FFlogs as a tool is great for people who want to work on their own gameplay but as soon as you begin to criticize others is when it becomes a grey area. The most extreme I'll get is if I'm doing specific content, such as savage raiding, and notice we are consistently hitting enrage and dying. I'll look at my numbers (tank) then dps (while inspecting their gear/ ilv / melds) to try and figure out where we're falling short. Might even compare their fflogs to see if it's a fluke or if I should keep my expectations low. If several pulls go by with little to no improvement I simply cut my losses, thank the group for the party, and bow out.

Even being able to get a blue parse can rely a lot on the rest of your raid group being competent -- especially so in FFXIV with how buffs work and someone else being stupid can actually lower your dps. People hating on the dude for 'only' having purple parses are wild. Parses should be taken into account with the context of what the overall encounter went like tbh.

I remember fondly that back when EW released i told my static i wanted to change classes, since i disliked the DRK changes. All they said in response was "But it does the most damage". And they couldn't understand that i made the decision based on personal preference on changes to a class i mained.

Mechanics over dps

Parsing and meta culture is why no one knows how good many off meta things are. Hell, we've had a rerelease of classic content in WoW and no one can tell you what the potential of a smite priest is. There isn't a single one that was ever given the gear and group to parse. Let alone pad the parse.

I still await the chairman and the baldy crossover in ultimate

I left a comment about how I feel about parsing, like I will dps (healer main) but, I prioritize the safety of the party over my damage. I know I'm reaching what is considered maximized damage on my role I don't try to push it, in case of causing wipe. But I'm also the same towards melee dps, one thing I can't stand is the greed, even if they don't die they take damage (that has no debuff) but still considerate amount of damage that could be avoided, just for uptime and expect to be healed. Of course being a healer, I do like to ensure the safety of party members, even if they intentionally take damage... It's quite depressing really.

I dont run act myself but feeling I did well and then seeing a better number on fflogs than last time is kinda nice

I still can't believe they made Samurai dramatically shittier to play so that parsers wouldn't have to deal with "variance". Removing Samurai's Kaiten is like removing cocking the shotgun before you blow a demon's head off. Yeah the end result is still a dead demon, but now you're considering whether or not to point the shotgun at yourself.

Haaha.. For savage/ultimate, I'm a dancer main who don't play dancer in static due to fflog.. I only play dancer with the strangers for savage, as they are less concerned with my dps.. Dancer RNG sometimes pretty bad.. XD..

As someone whos played classic on retail and private servers for the better part of 5 years, that one guy in chat asking for classic parses killed me a little inside.

I use parses to learn how the best players play to improve my own gameplay. They are fun to try for once you've got the raid on farm. Imagine parsing on prog though kek

I only ever used a parse to see if my rotation was tight/good and to make sure I was doing my rotation right and not falling below a tank in damage 😂

Goodhart's Law: When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.

I just parse to find out if I'm using all my CDs. I couldn't care less what magic number my teammates get as long as we do the mechanics and they're using their CDs.

Back in MoP I was doing most of the "shitty mechanics" duties for the expansion because I liked doing that and I want to be reliable. So my parsing took a hit and when my guild fell apart in WoD, I had to deal with a few guilds who would literally nitpick your parses and go "Bruh why is your parse blue/purple on those bosses? Declined". And in a way, it's good that they declined me because it's a red flag if the guild lead just blindly looks at parses.

There should be a minimum vuln stack category within logs. Or even zero vuln stack.

I have a friend I refuse to raid with because all he cares about is his parse score, I'm normally a scholar healer and it's just exhausting trying to put up with the crap, I just want to do the mechanics and keep people alive, not worry about parsing my best

8:14 I dislike healer players that do that, especially while holding full MP 8:23 TRUE

People say parsing doesn’t matter but you cant get into a heroic or higher raiding guild without at least purple parses if you’re dps, but FF might be different

I remember a white mage. We were doing a dungeon and i start noticing that i take far more dmg than usual and dies a few time. The following chat unsued: "Stop using Clemency, use cds." "Ok. Why aren't you using regen?" "Don't need." "That's kinda the base of your kit." *"I ain't gonna be using a gcd when i can dps."* Gee. We're in Violet Tides, not Epic of Alexander.

They should just make damage meters take into account buffs you provide to the group. Like I think Bard has a song that increases everyone’s DPS by 1% so just make that count towards the Bards damage. For crit buffs and stuff it could be harder to calculate though so idk.

That's why I LOVE official deed dungeons solo ladder.

parsing doesn't matter if you are remotely decent at the game, it only matters when a reaper when its the top dps in the game does less damage than the tanks and healers kek

Had a healer in P4s Part 1 not do mechanics/healing because he wanted to parse, was letting everyone wipe on raid wides etc when people clearly were not topped off just for their parse. I called them out on it and they just yelling "sub-par samurai" even went so far as to make their own Party Finder with a description of "Sub-Par samurais not needed" clearly stated to me for calling him out on his bs. Everyone in my party tell'd at him that it's against ToS to do that and reported him.

I'm new to "modern" MMOs and I play BRD on FFXIV. I didn't know about this BS, and now I'm almost sure this is the reason my preferred job is progressively easier to play with each patch. The song mechanics are now basically in auto-play, and it allows you to spam Bloodletter, Rain of Death, and Pitch Perfect nonstop, without taking DOT into account. It's become boring and I'm considering switching to RDM as my main job. I hope they don't ruin it too.

They should just find a way that raid buffs add to the total of the person applying them instead of the people receiving them. Then the raids will do better and people will want to buff other people.

Talking about meta I've always loved summoner/scholar and dark knight. Been playing them since heavensward. They were considered terrible at times but who cares? I love the flavor and abilities and look. I will always try to be the best but I'm not switching classes lol

This is like that in ESO. They want to see you parse before raiding

The thing is, Yoshida took the idea of boss enrages from WoW and put it in his game without totally understanding the consequences of that. Enrages were introduced by the devs in WoW because they wanted a DPS race to occur in their fights and fully embraced the addon community that supported it. However, Yoshi doesn't support addons and outright bans overt parsing. If the enrage is to be meaningful, it would have to make it impossible for people to win with a certain amount of deaths in the party and that means people need to know what the numbers are. An effective enrage = mathematical measurement of damage required no matter what.

It also creates extreme elitism. You can be a perfectly fine team mate as a player, do all your mechanics right and dont greed/risk shit but your parse isnt pur they call you bad even though you aren't a bad player and do good dps

I, for the most part, use my parse as a way of seeing if I am improving or not as a player. Like getting a better Kill/Death ratio in call of duty. I don’t really care about being #1 in the world when it comes to parsing I just hope I’m not as much of a shitter as I was yesterday lol!

Like everything, to much or extreme use case makes it bad. I enjoy seeing my Numbers not to compare to others to improve myself. In less then 4 months i had gone from 0 Savage raids to Triple Ultimate clears, thanks to self analyzing.

Since third party addons are against ToS just report anyone who even mentions parsing in ffxiv.

There's only one damage meter that matters in these games: the boss's health bar

I remember looking at "optimally" parsing a specific boss in shadowbringers. What it came down to is having a mechanic, that was supposed to be soaked by the entire team in a specific way to avoid damage down punishments, and instead have tanks just eat up EVERY PART OF THE MECHANIC with invuln, including the bit they were supposed to dodge. Because if they mitigated hard enough the damage down punishment didn't trigger for them. It boggled my mind.

parsing is great for learning how to improve your gameplay. logging is also a good way to find out if a player is hard holding you back during dps checks. (if you can pass the raid thats fine but if youre missing out on dps checks by a lot bc of one player hiding in PF its a way to get rid of them)

when did the term 'DPS' get replaced for parsing? i was super confused

A clear is a clear! Also at least rich didn’t pay for his clear by account sharing. Ultimate raid weapons where a joke like mentor crowns long before rich. As a DRK one of my BIS DMG sets used a 590 rings due to SKS. I’m like pffff I’m not going for 99% I’m going raid bis 2.43 sks. I’m at act 4 prog on P4S phase 2. Also note I have been a DRK main since HW and did warrior for a teir during Shadowbringers because it was a class that used a similar BIS build and had a few less buttons so I could refine my base tanking skills.

Parsing is an important self improvement tool, but if you make a fight harder just for uptime...

"If it does enough damage to clear the content... then it's fine." dude sounded like Trevor Phillips from GTA

parsing ruined shadowbringers for me. raid never got to see enrage yet, i always stood last besides the times i sacrificed myself for the raid by rezzing, however my dps apparently always was the problem :^)

I've found with black mage a single death will toss me from the blues I usually get down to greys so I really don't care. It is what it is.

I got kicked from my raiding team because my parsing was poor.... in molten core in classic wow

I'm a parsing healer... I solo healed most of savage and also managed good parses on dps by using my kit to the fullest, almost like it was designed to be used like this. almost. xD In truth tho, letting people die because of a parse (especially in prog) is kinda stupid. But as time goes on, I feel it's almost natural to try and improve your parse and try and be greedy a bit more, it's a way to break the monotony of clearing the same fights week after week.

i dont mind when ppl parse, as long as they do the mechs right. unless its a healer... your job is to heal first, dps second, stop worrying about a damage parse so much, i promise no one thinks a healer's damage parse is cool

Parsing is like judging someone based on the ammount of money they have

No one is talking about the ACTUAL helpful part of logs, active-time. You can also paste your logs into ff-statistics to see what combos you missed out on. Just keep your logs unlisted

I like parsing. BUT not the one that risk the entire group to wipe. So i like to dps alot :p

Back in TBC when it was out, I was maining an arms warrior and eventhough i was ahead of the curve and got lionheart blade absurdly fast (grinded like a mfker), i was still not invited to groups eventhough i shat on about 80% of the warlocks, mages and hunters i would come across. I remember i started up a dungeon group and included "no casters" in the description, you wouldn't believe me about how many whispers i got from these meta chasers literally FUMING i didn't want to bring them since they were so used to people sucking them off for a blizzard and rain of fire. Btw, that run was smooth af and was great fun, the group comp was Pala tank, rogue, arms war, hunter and resto sham.

Hey Asmon, I got one better for you. How about a raid leader who makes a DPS wait in line to get a weapon to instead make a DPS weapon for a healer that doesn't help them heal what so ever? In FF 11 saw this happen. Then to justify the weapon the other leader, as a sam, skill chained with the whm using their hammer on the Dynamis lord. They did this to try and prove a tested and proven strategy for beating that boss at the time wouldn't work because they didn't want to put the effort into actually doing the strategy. In FFXI the Whm relic weapon was not something you could use outside of 'messing around' without hindering/lowering your ability to do what your jobs primary function was, which was heal. So instead of actually having a DPS weapon completed to perform a skillchain to allow magic burst damage to bring the dynamis lord down to 50% then zerg the rest down, they instead wasted that time to make a whm hammer. Then proceeded to skill chain with the whm, which resulted in much less damage from the skill chain to say the strategy didn't work when it was a strate numerous other groups had done prior to the kraken club zerg simply for the fact it was still extremely rare for someone to have at the time. Just so that whm could have a shiny weapon to do damage with when they were messing around instead of doing a real strategy. That group put off fighting the dynamis lord after 'proving' a tested strategy didn't work until they had geared up other people with the much harder to obtain kraken club for 8 months. What a laughing stock.

If I was in charge of an MMO, I would make 2 separate raiding modes: clear mode where you can do the raid and get loot like normal, and time trial mode where you get *no loot* and there is an in-game leaderboard for *guilds* only that displays just the clear times, *and* if you wipe once the speedrun attempt is over until next lockout (to discourage greed). Also, I would actively make it nearly impossible for any external tool to pop up that has parsing for the game to discourage this absolute degeneracy. People might say that parsing is "inherently fine", but the problem is that it spawns so much toxic degenerate behavior that it's not worth it, it's easier not to have it at all. It's the same thing as having a cupcake laced with poison, it's gonna be delicious sure but you're either gonna die or have to waste your own and other people's effort to treat the inevitable poisoning. *It's easier to just not eat the cupcake.*