FFXIV | So you wanna Tank in Dawntrail?

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VexusDel

VexusDel

Күн бұрын

Do you want big armor? Do you want big weapons? Do you want to be a shield for your allies? Well maybe Tanking in XIV is the role for you, and I can give you the primer on this role.
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@TheGameKat
@TheGameKat 2 ай бұрын
The hardest thing about tanking in 14 is leading the way when you have no sense of direction
@GoatOfWar
@GoatOfWar 2 ай бұрын
Wdym? Dungeons are all hallways.
@Saltlich
@Saltlich 2 ай бұрын
@GoatOfWar In most dungeons, that's the case, but in some earlier dungeons like Haukke Manor, they can be a little wonky to properly navigate for someone who hasn't learned the layout.
@CadeAid1
@CadeAid1 2 ай бұрын
There's like 2 low level dungeons where this is relevant. Let's be honest lol 99% of the dungeons are straight paths.
@sammicoporsammicopor
@sammicoporsammicopor 2 ай бұрын
​@@CadeAid1 right, he must not have played sirensong sea which is literally a straight away dungeon with one path & no turns except for the very beginning when you get on the island.
@cormeaga
@cormeaga 2 ай бұрын
@@GoatOfWar remember in one piece where Zoro got lost on a completely straight path? some people have that level of direction. I've seen people get lost on where to go after a finishing a boss battle.
@schoolmonkey13
@schoolmonkey13 2 ай бұрын
The slow from Arm's Length does *not* slow move speed, *only* attack speed.
@Saltlich
@Saltlich 2 ай бұрын
Was a pleasure to help with some bits of footage, and I'm glad how the final product turned out.
@taylordice823
@taylordice823 2 ай бұрын
Not brought to you by World of Tanks, funnily enough.
@togainc3604
@togainc3604 Ай бұрын
I kinda hate that ffxiv watered down aggro to just popping an aura. Threat management was such an interesting mechanic back in the day and made fighting more dynamic.
@Darksora79
@Darksora79 2 ай бұрын
My problem is when it comes to trails where there is 2 tanks, how do you know when you are supposed to switch mt and ot? Do you even need to switch for regular content?
@neiabaraja2044
@neiabaraja2044 Ай бұрын
There are some mechanics which would make it slightly easier for the group if you switch. For example: A5N (Alexander - The Fist of the Son); the Boss will make himself bigger and proceed to give the MT a stacking debuff named "Headache" which after 4 stacks will advance to "Concusion" which increases the damage of his next attack. This attack will then either wipe out the MT or damage them by around 90% HP. This is the point where you could switch Tanks so it does not happen. But in all fairness this will just be either a mild inconvenience for the group or, if the healer is semi-competent, not matter at all since the healer will top the tank off befor the hit and immediately again after the hit. In short: Is tank swapping neccessary in normal content? Not really. You could do it if you know what the mechanic is but its not a problem if you don't.
@KurisuHan
@KurisuHan Ай бұрын
Tanking is brain dead easy until it’s not. Anything below savage/ultimate content you can unironically play with one hand. - a tank main
@ishirutaekakura308
@ishirutaekakura308 2 ай бұрын
You wanna tank in Dawntrail and not sure which one? Well I got the perfect tank for you. Warrior, braindead, easy, broken, requires no healers to a degree. If you die complain about how Warrior is too weak and needs more buffs.
@castlesbard1547
@castlesbard1547 2 күн бұрын
I never die but I'm still gonna say Warrior needs more healing because I just want MORE.
@GardenSnail111
@GardenSnail111 2 ай бұрын
it made me laugh enough times i subbed good shit
@vexusdel
@vexusdel 2 ай бұрын
glad you enjoyed it
@wazzupz2244
@wazzupz2244 18 күн бұрын
I use Superbolide right after my healer uses Benediction on me.
@countrifried
@countrifried 2 ай бұрын
Arms length is seriously SLEPT ON in trash mobs that do higher damage.
@vexusdel
@vexusdel 2 ай бұрын
yeah, spreading the word about it was half the reason I did this video
@Galliao
@Galliao 2 ай бұрын
My problem was always securing aggro on everything during a mob pull. I switched my camera to legacy, which let's me do range attacks without any effort. My next problem is finding the best position. Like the boss just jumped to the side. He forced everyone to go to him. Now he's done with the attack. Do I just stay there or move him back to the center? More of a problem with roulettes when going up against a boss I haven't seen in a year. As a DPS, or even a healer, it's just.. pew pew.. brain no care unless extreme.
@THiiro
@THiiro 2 ай бұрын
It's all about making life for your party easier, for your example with the boss jumping to a wall often times they will move themselves so you moving them is pointless. Better to just keep them at the wall and not spinning them around or moving them too much so your melee can get positionals. Some fights (particularly older ones) the boss may not do that and upcoming mechanics may become harder as a result. Moving bosses as a tank is less so about whats best for the boss, and more so about how can you make life easier for the rest of the party.
@thejinks-lx4qf
@thejinks-lx4qf 2 ай бұрын
I don’t know if it’s just me but I’ve never felt that talk was such a hard thing to do
@Funguspower2
@Funguspower2 2 ай бұрын
I've tanked a few pulls on my drg with arms length and bloodbath 😅
@sammicoporsammicopor
@sammicoporsammicopor 2 ай бұрын
Please leave the tanking to actual tanks. All you do when you pretend to be a tank is make it so you annoy yhe actual tank & a good way to make the healer ignore you completely.
@sammicoporsammicopor
@sammicoporsammicopor 2 ай бұрын
Please leave the tanking to actual tanks. All you do when you pretend to be a tank is make it so you annoy the actual tank & a good way to make the healer ignore you completely. If i am on my tank, I dont normally aggro enemies tge healer or dps aggro because I AM THE ONE WHP DECIDES what to tank, if you want to play as the tank, get off your class & go play as a tank instead of playing headgames.
@Funguspower2
@Funguspower2 2 ай бұрын
@sammicoporsammicopor I only did this because the tank dcd brother what's that assumption xD
@rugalbernstein5913
@rugalbernstein5913 Ай бұрын
@@Funguspower2I've seen this dude show up on several videos with a stick up his butt about it. Let me just say as a _competent_ tank main: feel absolutely free to pull ahead with arm's length and bloodbath as dps, the bonus mit is always appreciated, assuming you can even manage to get in front of me in the first place. YPYT mentality is for the feebleminded.
@Funguspower2
@Funguspower2 Ай бұрын
@@rugalbernstein5913 Actually just tonight a tank went down tonight in a wall to wall i arms lengthed slowed everything while the healer rezzed him up and did exactly that lol, was a flawless recovery! \o/
@HyouVizer
@HyouVizer 2 ай бұрын
1:48 Arm's Length gives "slow +20%" that affects enemy GCD only. While "Heavy" debuff directly affects movement speed, like ninja's doton "heavy +40%".
@vexusdel
@vexusdel 2 ай бұрын
Yeah... I just completely missed this when making the video
@magusware8721
@magusware8721 2 ай бұрын
Man that intro depressed me, already wrote an essay on one Zeplas vids about the problem with tanking/healing. And just hearing it again hits right in the oof. I miss the days of stance dancing and fighting to keep aggro as a tank while min/maxing DPS. :(
@CafeCreativeYT
@CafeCreativeYT Ай бұрын
Just cleared DSR on war, its not the easiest role in the 😂😂😂😂😂😂 (i have ptsd)
@regulator18E
@regulator18E 2 ай бұрын
I dunno, 11min video for 2 steps: turn on tank stance, keep doing damage.
@adtsiriusstarr112
@adtsiriusstarr112 Ай бұрын
keeping aggro is easy. staying alive is a breeze. remembering all those skill names is difficult
@TopHatsOnly
@TopHatsOnly 2 ай бұрын
Worth noting there is one downside to Warrior invuln; it requires a target to activate. If you're not targeting, you can't cast it, and if your target dies, it ends early. This is only important in mob pulls so be sure to latch it on the healthiest one.
@Gemieye77
@Gemieye77 2 ай бұрын
You can macro Holmgang to target yourself and never have to worry about range or your target dying
@vexusdel
@vexusdel 2 ай бұрын
It's actually only the slow on Holmgang that needs a target, the Invulnerability part doesn't
@idontlikeURLs
@idontlikeURLs 2 ай бұрын
​@@vexusdelquick question, can i pop the warrior invul without target? I'm a bit curioud because it's one tank i don't have experience with
@rugalbernstein5913
@rugalbernstein5913 Ай бұрын
@@idontlikeURLsyes, you can. If you use Holmgang without a target, it activates just the same as if you had targeted yourself, which is preferable since, as mentioned before, targeting an enemy and that enemy dying before Holmgang runs out will end the invuln early.
@MrSpensix
@MrSpensix 2 ай бұрын
The hardest part of tanking is deciding to W2W or not.
@GriziDaWiz
@GriziDaWiz 2 ай бұрын
if you aren't pulling w2w in most dungeons, especially in EW, you are doing something wrong. Not that I like this formula, but all those dungeons are basically designed to be w2w. Hopefully dawntrail fixes that, Yoshi P has said he regrets making the game so easy.
@riddert4966
@riddert4966 2 ай бұрын
@@GriziDaWiz It's about time trash mobs get some actual mechanics instead of just dodging a cone attack
@alexzander7629
@alexzander7629 2 ай бұрын
Now do healers please
@GregHealthy
@GregHealthy 2 ай бұрын
Eh PLD self healing is pretty close to warriors zzz.
@sammicoporsammicopor
@sammicoporsammicopor 2 ай бұрын
What are you talking about? It costs 4k mana in a dungeon to use clemency each time. Clemency is only good for self-heal & keeping the healer alive if the dungeon gets dicey.
@GregHealthy
@GregHealthy 2 ай бұрын
@@sammicoporsammicopor Clemency isn't the only self healing tool PLD Has...? Did you know at 84 pld heals 400 potency with each magic attack (you cast around 8 per minute so it's around 3200 potency total per minute), Holy sheltron grants you a regen each use (which is on a stack system, so you can hold two and gain 50 oath every 21 seconds for another use). Divine veil heals everyone like shake it off. Also clemency is 2000mp after 64 but i wasn't even talking about clemency as its a dps loss, I don't believe you've played Paladin lol
@mp9228
@mp9228 Ай бұрын
Yeah it's easy to to say this at level 90 but Paladin gets nearly every ability and trait later than the other tanks. WAR gets healing at 54 and is pretty much the best tank til at least the mid 80s. You can w2w with PLD in almost every leveling dungeon but to say they're near equal is a bit of a reach.
@GregHealthy
@GregHealthy Ай бұрын
@@mp9228 near equal 84+ and in current content yes. Sorry i don't really consider outdated content for "you wanna tank in DT"
@mp9228
@mp9228 Ай бұрын
@@GregHealthy well they don’t start at level 90 do they
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