Its actually really funny that less than a day after this video came out, they announced astro changes thats basically answering most of your issues with the class. Adjusting lighspeed recast time and giving it charges will make it MUCH more flexible to use for movement and burst. Changing astral/umbral draw recast times will handle issues with drift, and increased macrocosmos potency will now make it damage neutral vs fall malefic. Now the only ask is to change gravity potency, and replace synestry with time dilation, and youve got a brew going.

I don't hate Arrow for having a 'increased healing received' effect I hate the Arrow because it should have been the Ranged damage card instead of the Spear

I don't get why they added 1s CD between cards, the fact that you can't double weave them felt so clunky to me.

Pour one out for the chocobos that can't be buffed by the Balance or the Spear currently.

Can't believe they pushed back the "Overhaul" multiple patches and then a whole expansion and this is what they came up with..

10 bucks says he never makes the sage and white mage videos just like last time

My biggest problem is how bad it feels when I don't have a reason to use the utility cards. At some point you either just throw them out for shits'n'giggles or overwrite them (as you already do in the opener). I think this would only get worse the more gear everyone has.

Was hoping for more like, defensive/dps/other for cards. So like one card could make the target move fast (like an extra sprint), one card could extend the buff time of your buffs, including cards. That plays nicely into the time mage feeling too... Would trade an ED charge for a lightspeed charge...

Not only do I give spear to melee because of reflex but I also instantly still draw at the beginning of instances. Overwriting both Lord AND Balance. Like i would have rather they just give us sleeve draw back.

The thought of the cards is pre 50, You gain so much more kit lower level. After 70 it hits drop off cause your getting more and more stuff that is just the cards you had 30-70.

ucob mentioned!! spear being a ranged buff now gives me whiplash everytime i see it

Man at the rate they’re designing jobs, next expansion all cards are gonna end up targeting all allies

I swear they increased gravity's range. Prepatch enemies had to be kissing for gravity to hit more than two. Now I am nuking entire groups without having to prod the tank to geoup them tighter.

Is Astro strong? Yes. Is it fun? Not for me personally. I came back to the game when astro released because I loved the card fantasy. Now, as you mentioned, it feels tacked on. I may adjust to it over the expansion, but right now I don't enjoy it

It really just feels like AST gets more OGCDs, as opposed to anything really interesting requiring card weaving. I love the effects, but it feels so bland...

I'm still bitter about the HW cards being gone and it's been 6 years.

Ngl I was one of the AST doomer before the expac arrived, based on media tour info. AST is my main and I prog everything on them. I agree that the new 4 cards are kinda meh and useless depending on situations, but can be powerful to save someone who messed up. It makes the job even busier which I like. Few people liked Astrodyne, I personally found it fun and I do mourn my MP and fast cast with the new AST x) The lack of mobility + the proactive healing playstyle makes AST very skillfull to play, as you gotta know well the fight to fully master the insane potency. All the mitigation makes him very valuable as you say. Just to note, mitigation isn't additive but multiplicative, so you can't stack 20% AOE / 40% ST mitig, but 19% AOE and 35% ST. Which is still insane tbh.

I'm crossing my fingers. On release in ShB Astro was *rough*, but the tweaks it got really helped it. I mean right now it really works, but it feels like MacGyver put it together with a thumbtack and a potato. Russet, in case you were wondering. 😂

They probably chose this version of the card system as a crutch for people who couldn't play around the "time mage" parts of AST's kit. If you get a bunch more instant ogcd healing and mit tools then its not quite as punishing when you don't know how to use Earthly Star properly. (That, or they didn't really think about these changes before finalizing, which also seems possible).

I was a long time astro main, with dawntrail i fully dropped astro. Maybe some like the change, but its not for me. Its sad but thats what they decided to do, so i simply play a other job.

Is it true that they literally had no decent healer designer to manage this stuff

It's slower and clunkier now. Cards don't feel like a core component, more tacked on. This was my main for healing, but no more. It feels awful now.

i gave these changes a chance but damn after reaching lvl 100 im already kinda bored of the job.....the healing cards are giving they don't know what to do with astro

wait but sun sign is level 100. you wont be able to use it in TOP and DSR

I like the idea of the cards but they needed to be different buffs they just seemed so generic and bland

casual players never necessarily hated the cards in a bubble, so much as they generally dislike single target ogcds on party members that you *have* to press, because they usually end up drifting their gcd from not being able to select a party member, press the button, and tab back quickly enough (which is why PF white mages sometimes act like pressing benediction requires like three seconds of downtime). this version of AST not only doesn't solve that, it actively made it worse!

Nice! Just saw they posted in Lodestone their plans for further Ast changes for 7.01 looks like were getting a lot of fixes folks called out for, happy to light speed cd change and charges, thats going to be very nice.

I miss my slot machine. the fact you don't have to respond to anything and could play all your dps cards with an auto hotkey script sucks.

Surelly the next rework will be the one! *Copium*

would changing astral/umbral draw to 55 second cooldown help with the drifting. also hope they change light speed to 60 seconds instead of 90

Hi, sorry what do you mean by Celestial Opposition being one of the skills that need to be planned for optimal use? I generally use it as an immediate placeholder for a big raidwide if I don't have star or horoscope up, then I follow it with Helios. What would be a better way to utilise it please? (Pre-planned-wise I mean. Hope this question makes sense😅)

I really like the cards. I hated the solar, lunar and celestial sigil mechanic from ShB and EnW. I get probably from a meta perspective having every card be a "put this on the dnc partner" card made it simpler, but having some of the cards be the AST personal resource again feels better to me. Bonus points, the same target can have more than one card effect on a themselves now without it overwriting another card effect. It makes the cards less stressful for when I found myself paired with another AST for whatever reason. But I'm surprise there's more negativity towards the cards now that they removed rng and gave each card a different effect.

Appreciate the balanced (no pun intended) coverage of this from a thoughtful perspective with detailed examples to back up what you are saying.

So, I started playing in HW, and I was an Omni-Healer by the end of SB, though I mostly played WHM and considered that to be my main. I then proceeded to main WHM all the way to the end of ShB. In Endwalker, they came out with M-Viera and Sage, and I decided I would pick up SGE cause it seemed like fun, and I liked the aesthetic, plus I was like "New race, new job!" I loved Sage, and mained it for all of Endwalker, however towards the end I was thinking it might be nice to pick up my old friend WHM again for Dawntrail. It was the Job I identified with the most after all, and it had been with me through so many cannon events. Then Dawntrail came out. I saw the changes they were making for both SGE and WHM, and at first I was excited! Then I saw the changes for AST and SCH, and I was a little less excited for the changes to SGE and WHM, but more excited for the state of healers overall... that is... until I got my hands on all of them... When I got SGE to level 100, and got the capstone spell... Philosophia, it... it felt underwhelming... I felt jipped honestly... And the more I looked into the changes to WHM, the less excited I was to play that, I keep hearing it's not balanced well and it's the poorest performing healer of the four. Then I started leveling AST, and while I love the changes to that, (since they feel closer to what the HW cards were like, and I was one of the people who didn't complain about the cards in HW and loved the card system from back then. ) I felt the job was TOO good... I haven't hit level 100 on it yet, but directly comparing it's leveling through dungeons to the same experience on SGE, I feel like I actively used more of my kit on SGE in the same content... On AST I feel like I'm not even using a fraction of what's available to me and even the card system which I was excited for originally... the utility cards feel like they are either useless or just get defaulted to the tank either before a tankbuster or before the draw skill comes off CD. I feel like there's no card I can use for my own benefit, (like HW Ewer.) Unless I'm reading the tooltips incorrectly. They are all better given to other jobs, like melee or ranged dps, or the tank. It's honestly just frustrating, I got so frustrated that in the last boss of the level 93 dungeon I said 'Watch how broken this is...' I proceeded to just stand in aoes and pop cooldowns on myself and just completely ignore mechanics all while still healing the party and dpsing... I felt disgusted with both myself and the devs after that. *TLDR:* I feel like for the first time ever since I first began my MMO Journey as a 13 year old boy, playing WoW in 2005 I may need to retire my healer badge and become a DPS main, either that or just step away from the game until the Devs manage to rebalance the healers properly so that they're all equally fun to play while still keeping to their own job fantasy. 😮‍💨

Pre-DT Asto was more fun, I miss it

I just can't get behind this card system tbh, I already know how Im going to play my next 3 cards before I even hit draw its just sad. I miss the reactive gameplay this class used to have, now its just a slapped down watered version of aetherflow tied to 2 tank CD's and a dps card...ontop of this the cards are (mostly) already copies of oGCD's that AST already has....

I'm still gonna pick up AST when I eventually get to Heavensward, but removing the random draws takes away a chunk of what made the job appealing to me initially

The only card that feels moot with 2 stacks of noct already existing is the spire, although I'm not sure what form of mit could take its place. Maybe a proc when the shield breaks?

As I feared, I do not enjoy these cards after a week of play. They could have been much more interesting and not be lower potencies of already existing abilities. The only hope I'm clinging onto now is the combat design (which has been really fun so far in the dungeons and EX trials) and the changes to lightspeed and card recast times that they posted on the lodestone earlier today.

I pref the new cards makes things a little more interesting. But also its better than the last two expantions for me as i miss my old gutted stormblood astro. Its a welcome change for me. 😊

bit of a bummer to hear. I have not raided with astro, but I enjoy playing it, and while I liked the idea of cards with different effects instead of just damage buffs, its unfortunate that their usage doesn't feel particularly interesting.

Bring Time Dilation Back!

Compared to before, it feels worse recovering mana after dying. Before I would usually be able to draw right away (sometimes even twice), now with bad timing I have to wait almost a minute to draw for mana.

What’s that robe you’re wearing that looks like it’s has a scarf

Yeah, this isn't AST anymore, it really is WHM II.

Would you be interested in doing a video over your current HUD. I'm looking for a change and/or some ideas and I like your setup.

Wait, does the arrow work with oGCD heals? I always thought it was GCDs only. So if it says action it's oGCD too?

Haven't done the extremes yet but I really have not had fun with astro at 100 so far, I'll have to see how it behaves in harder content.

I think the changes are better moving forward. This way they can focus on other things instead of the RNG clunky card system that is terrible to use. Espacially on controller. Sure pro astro players might miss it but it will make the job more accessable for most players.

Is there any case where stacking both the balance and spear one dps better than using it on different melee/ranged?

Ast going from the most mobile healer to the least mobile healer shows that they have no idea what they want to do with ast.

The cards do more than just buff dmg!? SHOOT I BEEN PLAYING ASTRO WRONG

I thought I would enjoy new ast as someone who played it a lot in EW but i really dont vibe with some of the rigidness and a point of personal bitching i really hate 3 buttons for the cards. so the job isnt for me anymore which is ok i have bard and scholar to play instead. but if i could change ast id do this Spear = Melee Arrow = Ranged Spire = Mini nuke Balance = Dot Ewer = Shield Bole = 5% mit on target(aoe) whilst bringing back the old 1 card at a time. to reduce the issue of people fishing fir the dps boost cards id put some limitation on redraw if not remove it

4:50 I understand what you mean with the arrow, but come on now, it's tedious beyond belief for a 10% healing increase on 3 actions every 2 minutes

I am not a fan of changes, just switched over to playing white mage and sage

Astrologian died for me after Shadowbringers. Sounds like it's even worse now :(

They should remove the damage cards to give us freedom to hold or choose when we want to use the cards. Because the DMG cards, we need to keep draw on CD making us discard some utility.

You've mentioned before the Astro doesn't feel like Astro anymore. I was wondering if anyone could elaborate on that? I started leveling AST in late Endwalker before the changes. I've read up on the old abilities astrologian use to have. Dinurnal/Nocturnal Sect, the old card system, Royal Road and Time Dilation. But it feels like there's some other aspect I'm missing regarding old AST.

I hear that our lvl 100 capstone ability is kind of just...under whelming

Nice, i can listen to this :D

Hi Momo, can you show up your macro card ?

The class feels adjacent to how it felt in stormblood. I personally enjoy the class as a whole in Dawntrail since what drew me to the class was how it was set up in stormblood.

waiting for SGE

I levelled AST to 100. I was kinda looking forward to the changes before I played it, but now after leveling I think theyre just ok, maybe not really worth the effort of changing the job lol. For now I would really like Draw to be 55ish sec instead of 60 because the drift was my biggest challenge in trials. Also side note on SGE - people were kinda meh about Philosphia but I love healing people from far away now. This was a pain point for me on SGE in anabaseios .

Yeah I’ll stick to to my wmh/sage this exp 😔

The true crime is the "gravity" that is the disparity between WHM and AST. All of this functionality loaded, yes arguably you need to be good with it, but the potential of what is available in comparison is believable only due to the lack of faith in their ability to line up class balance. I think its awesome Momo was able to point out the theoretical effectiveness of mitigation and its something WHM has been sorely lacking in comparison. While the doubled up mitigation might not be "needed" in said comparison, the fact its there doesn't sit well with me. I think someone in the office really loves AST and just wants to overload them or keeps dipping their hands into the pure healer pot leaving WHM with the scraps lol.

Nice!

Will somebody tell me something AST is better at than the other healers so i can cope please

Bad. Wait till a few patches.

Having used it now, and seen the recent improvements, I hate the new card system. I hate it so much. I do not like how we just... hold our DPS cards to use back to back. The rest of cards are useful, but they are not particularly impactful, and none of the cards feel connected to anything else we do. I like so much about this job, but they cannot get a card system that feels good.

I absolutely hate the new changes to the cards. They should at least lower the cooldown to draw cards

Im seriously not trying to be a shitter but it's yoo-er, not oo-er. like a female sheep (ewe = you). Know its pedantic but I was sooo distracted by it every time it was said 😭 Im gonna have to watch it again so I guess momo really won here lmao

That moment you realize that cards are now pretty much just aetherflow with less options

Im kinda tired how people complain abt the class where i feel bad for the devs trying to please the community when they changed ast like they reworked the class probably 3 times now? Including DT release. Bunch of whiny bbies man.

So bottom line, the class requires you to pay more attention, and losers and bad players are the ones who will be complaining about it. Got it.

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