Fiat 1.4 Multiair Build Completed, Plus Timing Belt Change Instructions

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Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles

4 жыл бұрын

I finished putting the engine together for my Fiat 124. While it's out of the car, it's easy to show where all the components are located, and cover some basic tech information. At the 29:50 mark I start a timing belt change and multiair tutorial. This was intended to be two different videos, but I decided to combine them.
That torque specs was indeed 88 foot pounds.
I should clarify that on the 2014 and later engines you CAN change out that crank position sensor with the engine in the car, it's just a pain as compared with the older front mounted sensor.
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@rcademet
@rcademet 2 күн бұрын
I have to say it for everyone... this should be title "The Holy Grail" video's of all Fiat 500😊 thank you and outstanding video!!!!
@thierrydelage1681
@thierrydelage1681 8 ай бұрын
Living in Europe and i can confirm that multiair was indeed used in Fiat cars...not for long though (only 4 years from 2009 till 2013)... I got a Fiat Punto from 2012 with the 135 bhp 1.4 turbo multiair that works great as of today and never failed me so far. I love it ! 😊
@tonyhaynes4694
@tonyhaynes4694 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That's the best explanation of timing this motor that I have found on the internet. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.
@benistingray6097
@benistingray6097 4 жыл бұрын
Found your channel first via one of your Fiat videos but stayed for the nerdy airplane content. Great content Greg, thanks for the entertainment and stay safe everyone.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you are here.
@powerspec88
@powerspec88 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading these videos! I've had my 500 Abarth for 7 years now and just now starting to tune her. Almost at 100k miles so I'd like to tear her down and rebuild to make more power!
@philjowett3760
@philjowett3760 4 жыл бұрын
Another fabulous video on this engine. Brilliant, loved the engine tour. Thank you
@doubleT84
@doubleT84 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you! At the oil pump are two threaded plugs. I put oil temp and oil pressure sensors there (with adapters).
@victorkuria8068
@victorkuria8068 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your videos on this engine rebuild..thank you for taking time to make it and post it!!!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
you're welcome, I'm glad you liked it. I need to finish this series by showing how well it all worked out.
@victorkuria8068
@victorkuria8068 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I for one would look forward to seeing that...sorry that COVID-19 has put limits to your man power at the moment!,
@fotda3281
@fotda3281 2 жыл бұрын
Very informational video! My timing belt tension blew out and I jumped time but the engine seems to be okay, gonna tackle it this coming weekend!
@user-ci4cj5eq4x
@user-ci4cj5eq4x 3 жыл бұрын
Was kinda stretchy getting into fiats as a next car but this video definitely put me on the buy side. Thanks for your time into this video
@LynxStarAuto
@LynxStarAuto 2 жыл бұрын
LOL good luck. These junky motors pay the mortgage tho. So by all means please buy buy buy! I got 7 years left on my bank note.
@phillippittman
@phillippittman 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great explanation of the Multiair engine!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome.
@laoisman67ify
@laoisman67ify 2 жыл бұрын
This is one knowledgeable man. Thanks Ive an Abarth 124. Love it.
@johndangelo9630
@johndangelo9630 3 жыл бұрын
GREAT Job, Again Greg!
@gilabear11
@gilabear11 4 жыл бұрын
I have that engine in my 2013 Dodge Dart. It's a fun engine for sure!
@wilsonfish1340
@wilsonfish1340 2 жыл бұрын
But it's hard to match the styling of a Fiat.
@randyallen2771
@randyallen2771 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Greg. Looks like it's going well. Be careful trying to install it by yourself, some things go better (and safer) with extra hands to help. I'm anxious to see the finished item in action. It would be cool to see that Abarth 500 in action too. Cheers
@mattdumbrill8324
@mattdumbrill8324 4 жыл бұрын
I like that you speak in the same way as with the planes, but I nothing about cars vs planes. Thanks for the info.
@peteromprey9253
@peteromprey9253 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the the incredible video ! What a great amount of valuable information for these motors I have a jeep renegade with this motor . The worst part is now I need to find one of these Motors so I can build one for the jeep
@chainring_tattoo
@chainring_tattoo 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative Greg. Nice job. Thank you.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chainring.
@BookAutowerks
@BookAutowerks 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding tour of the engine! Thanks
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I just subscribed. Small world, we drive the same cars, and I've been to the same events you have on your channel.
@BookAutowerks
@BookAutowerks 4 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thanks for the sub! If you ever see me at an event say hi. I'm usually wearing a large hat ;)
@robertwoodliff2536
@robertwoodliff2536 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely piece of work.
@nineridesshotgun
@nineridesshotgun 3 жыл бұрын
just found your channel, i love your 500!
@Rubberweasel
@Rubberweasel 4 жыл бұрын
It looks like a staked nut on the belt tensioner which would make sense how it holds together. It still seems a bit light on backup plans but obviously works.
@user-sg6xv2kb8s
@user-sg6xv2kb8s 9 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing the build videos.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 8 күн бұрын
You're welcome. I'll have some exciting new Fiat stuff up soon.
@mikebartels5746
@mikebartels5746 3 жыл бұрын
TY TY TY!!!! I run a 2013 Abarth with 50hp wet nos kit.... Just picked up 2 used motors to build....
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, I'm glad to hear it. A 50hp shot, that's a lot, I'm glad it's holding up.
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 3 жыл бұрын
That steel coolant pipe under the exhaust manifold with the funny nut goes right back to the the original 1980s Fiat FIRE engine. They work well but on older cars they are noted for corrosion. Worth a coat of paint (on top of OEM) in my opinion.
@anthonyxuereb792
@anthonyxuereb792 3 жыл бұрын
This engine certainly merits a tour especially since FIAT gets bagged a lot.
@xipxip3784
@xipxip3784 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have the 1.4L engine in my 2016 500X POP with a 6-speed manual, it's a fun car.I don't plan on any mods but I love learning about it.
@MethmalDhananjaya
@MethmalDhananjaya 3 жыл бұрын
can I know one thing, is that follow the same style of Abarth 500's transmission? cause It only has 5 speed manual. so is it possible to swap?
@sasazapadnik9335
@sasazapadnik9335 2 жыл бұрын
@@duke9620 500X, which is more of a Jeep than a Fiat 500
@sasazapadnik9335
@sasazapadnik9335 2 жыл бұрын
@@duke9620 im not saying its impossible, but chances are it is impossible. would need different halfshafts, shift linkage, etc
@giuseppebiasone6827
@giuseppebiasone6827 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. You’ve enlightened me big time, as I also have a 124 spider. Thanks Greg
@shishirthakur
@shishirthakur Жыл бұрын
So I was at this Jeep Service Station in India and they didnt know how to lock the camshaft for timing belt change. But thanks to you!
@stevanaeastwood8059
@stevanaeastwood8059 2 жыл бұрын
Greg is the man!
@ncfazer
@ncfazer Жыл бұрын
Great video..Thanks!
@sharkcohen
@sharkcohen 4 жыл бұрын
Greg, after watching this you have me thinking about doing that C&B cam.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shark, I am a bit limited in what I can say here, but if I were you, I would wait. A lot is happening.
@sharkcohen
@sharkcohen 4 жыл бұрын
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles thanks. I’m in no rush, my car work space is at my father’s house and I can’t go there right now because of the virus.
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 3 жыл бұрын
The oil cooler is a plate type heat exchanger. The idea was perfected by Rolls Royce with patents going back to the 1970s but it's likely they had them even longer ago on classified equipment.
@chinnydan4896
@chinnydan4896 3 жыл бұрын
what are the figures for torquing down the multi air system? thanks
@donbronco
@donbronco 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great content! Ending up here looking for info on the 1.4 multi air tear down. I have a possible bad head gasket. Were is the best place to get a good manual? Thanks
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I don't have a good source for a manual. It's possible I'll have to write one myself.
@antikristuseke
@antikristuseke 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I had access to E85 where I live, due to the laws here changing fuel and doing a remap are pretty much the only things I can do to legally alter the performance of my car. Thanks for the video, have been very interested in the 124 roadster and hunting for an Abarth right now.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Just adding an intake and a Phase 1 tune from Eurocompulsion adds a lot of power.
@johndangelo9630
@johndangelo9630 3 жыл бұрын
Well Done!!!
@englishmanpiper4745
@englishmanpiper4745 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg like the vids , was wondering what wheels you have on your 500 Abarth . Tks
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Those are Evo Corse wheels.
@al_capad
@al_capad 4 жыл бұрын
Old Fiat FIRE engines (1.1L especially) are popular in Eastern Europe for amator racing - slap in 1.2 head, factory 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, 42mm throttle body or ITBs from a 650cc bike, balance rotating assembly, put flywheel on a diet and you'll get around 120HP reving up to 8500 - 9k RPM
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, all the Fiat engines are good. We didn't get than engine in the US, but I'm glad to hear it's doing well over there.
@alexbellesia9676
@alexbellesia9676 4 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the video, amazing tour. You mentioned to use the right oil, I live in Arizona , temps here in the summer ave 108+ F 🥵. Can you suggest a couple of good oils for this engine. Thank you .
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 ай бұрын
I use synthetic oil in the recommended viscosity. I don't focus on the brand, I just use what's on sale. My 500L has about 150k miles on it, it doesn't burn oil and has full compression. I think it's more about how often you change it, then what brand you use.
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 3 жыл бұрын
Me again. The 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 twin can engine as used in certain Fiat cars and the Alfa Romeo TS (Twin Spark) had non-keyed cam pulleys. Cam locking tools sat over cam lobes on each cam. You also needed a reaction (holding) tool to hold the cam wheel while torquing the retaining bolt.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
I don't doubt that, but this is the first engine I have seen that's set up this way. Keep in mind we didn't have any new Fiats or Alfas here for a while, so there are engines I haven't seen. All engines I have seen have either timing marks, keyways, or both, this is the first engine I have ever seen with nothing to help align the cam. I think it's a huge mistake on Fiat/Alfa's part.
@rogerciapponi4250
@rogerciapponi4250 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg, compliments for your video, i have a question regarding the manual you are using in the video can you help me with a link. Best Regards Roger
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
I bought it from the dealer website, it's only accessible online.
@richcartab
@richcartab 3 жыл бұрын
I, too, have the 1.4L MultiAir in my 2013 Dodge Dart. Love the car, love the performance. Unfortunately, at 100K miles I had to get the top of the engine rebuilt. The cam lobes were completely worn down leaving the MultiAir system without enough oil pressure to work properly. Have you ever had that happen to one of your engines? Most of my mileage was highway, commuting to work five days a week, 160 miles round trip. Not especially hard driving, but I did use manual shift mode frequently with the 6-speed DCT and always used spec oil.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen that problem, it's odd because the multiair lobes are rollers, so they normally don't wear at all.
@echokiloecho
@echokiloecho 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Content! Thank you so much for your time and effort! I have a 1.4 non turbo. How hard is it to change the valve stem seals on this engine? I'm getting oil smoke out of the exhaust, it isn't a pcv leak and spark plug wells are dry from the top. The car smokes in the morning as the oil accumulates over night in low temps and burns off on first igition, again, not condensation or coolant. Am wondering if it's doable to use a valve spring compressor and patiently replace the valve stem seals before winter hits.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
It's a lot more work than on other engines because you have to remove the cam and mulitair unit, but you can do it with the head on the car.
@echokiloecho
@echokiloecho 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thanks so much for responding. Is there a way to check which cylinder, or valve, has the bad stem seal? I realize once it's all off one should replace althe stem seals l, nevertheless, knowing which on is leaking would give me more options. I know the exhaust side is under the cam, if the leak is coming from the multiair side, that is a bit easier b/c won't need to take the timing belt off... Is there a way to narrow down which cylinder or even stem is leaking?
@echokiloecho
@echokiloecho 3 жыл бұрын
I just saw your video showing the 1.4 break down.. super nice. It looks like, to replace the valve stem seals, I should take it down all the way to the valve section, so one more layer down after removing the multiair and cam, but before the head section. Man I've not gone down that deep into an engine before. Valve cover gasket is the farthest I've gone.
@skyking7964
@skyking7964 3 жыл бұрын
were do a buy the no namer tool is it on ebay ? thanks
@airman64
@airman64 2 жыл бұрын
how can I rebuild my engine like that is there a place I could send and get quality parts?
@crashesnfails
@crashesnfails 4 жыл бұрын
great Vid! what type of motor mounts will you be using?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Stock.
@Inpreesme
@Inpreesme 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@trevorvolack5537
@trevorvolack5537 9 ай бұрын
Hi greg… thank you for the videos. I have a question I hope you can answer. I have read in a couple different fiat forums that I need to lock out the camshaft first and rotate the crankshaft to align the tool. Your video says to do the opposite. Which one is correct? I am working on a US version fiat 500 Abarth. Is the t-jet engine a different process and that’s why those guys are saying the manual calls for the camshaft to be locked first? I don’t get why it would be different but that’s what they are saying.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 9 ай бұрын
First of all, I am in the U.S. and the engine in the video is a U.S. engine. It makes absolutely no difference which one you lock in place first.
@chappledesign
@chappledesign 2 жыл бұрын
Greg, How much torque is on the timing belt tensioner nut? And is 88lbs correct for the cam nut?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 2 жыл бұрын
88 foot pounds for the bolt that secures the cam pulley to the cam. I'm not sure about the tensioner nut. I can't get a torque wrench on it anyway, so I just do it by feel.
@jamesparker337
@jamesparker337 Жыл бұрын
multi air is in the 2.4L Tigershark variant in JEEP Cherokees. I thought they should have used an electric oil pump because the mutliair if it sits for extended periods has a longer crank time until the oil pressure pumps back up.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Жыл бұрын
Worse than that, if it sits long enough you can't start it without bleeding the multiair system, not something you can easily do in an airport long term parking lot.
@heinzweber7642
@heinzweber7642 Жыл бұрын
German fiat fan here. Despite a lot of BS, talked about FIAT, they always build very good an inovative engines. The rest of the cars, can be discussed.....
@johndangelo9630
@johndangelo9630 3 жыл бұрын
Greg, Would you be able to do a timing belt/water pump service video on the 1.4 Multiair?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
I suppose, can I add in a camshaft swap? I'm doing all that on a 500L pretty soon, so I can make it into a video if you would like.
@johndangelo9630
@johndangelo9630 3 жыл бұрын
That would be something many of us would watch!
@robertcreekmore4578
@robertcreekmore4578 7 ай бұрын
I have a 2017 with 50,000 miles. Can I really wait for 15 years or 150,000 miles before changing the belt?
@brianredman9347
@brianredman9347 Жыл бұрын
Hi Greg. What is the torque spec for the flywheel bolts on the Fiat 500? I can’t find it and I figure you would know. Love your videos btw. Thanks
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Жыл бұрын
I don't know that off the top of my head. I do know that there are two different sizes used on Fiat 1.4s and they have two different specs, so you have to be careful. Furthermore they are all one time use bolts, so you need new ones every time. Also, they are torque to yield, so there is a torque spec, then a number of degrees you have to turn them beyond that. So they are quite specific.
@janhutter5917
@janhutter5917 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Greg nice vids, very helpfull! I wonder hows the status right now. It would be very cool to show how engine is getting changed. Maybe you could make a vid with the cat bolt on to see how much space is there fo a custom exhaust manifold;) anyway thank you for this series, greetings from switzerland
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jan, I do need to make a video update. The engine has been in my car for about a year and is doing well. My car videos don't do as well as the airplane stuff, so I just don't put them out as often.
@ajazi72
@ajazi72 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@zapwatt
@zapwatt 3 жыл бұрын
Greg, what an excellent video and so informative. Thank you. Can you tell us your thoughts on the multiair spring "upgrade" that gets so much talk? The one I have heard of is offered by a company named Tork motorsports. Thank you, Greg.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate it. Altering the mulitair springs offers absolutely no benefit, and at considerable risk. Don't do it.
@zapwatt
@zapwatt 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Got it.
@clintonmichaels9259
@clintonmichaels9259 2 жыл бұрын
Need Help This may be a dumb question. I can get to the head bolts to remove the head. 1.4 multi air. I took out the 8 short bolts. But they look to short for head bolts. I think the head is 2 pieces? But can't get the spark plugs tubes to give.I am doing something totally wrong. The manifold turbo off the intake still on. Anyway can't get head to move or can't find the head bolts. Thanks
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 2 жыл бұрын
You have to remove the cam carrier. The head bolts are under that.
@GELKOKFT
@GELKOKFT 25 күн бұрын
I wouldn't take the engine out to change the timing belt. However, I got stuck when removing the first cast. It is connected to the compressor support casting.
@adriannewman1322
@adriannewman1322 3 жыл бұрын
I did a timing belt and water pump on a 2013 fiat abarth turbo in the car u talk about a tight fit
@amcrambler65
@amcrambler65 2 жыл бұрын
Any input on troubleshooting a MultiAir actuator without specialized equipment? I have a misfire on Cyl 4, new plugs, no help. Move coils, missfire does not follow. Exhaust stinks like fuel, I'm certain It's getting it. Next step is a compression test. From what i can tell, these solenoids fail closed, so no compression would mean failed actuator (or worse...) right? Also any input on finding good used or overhauled units? I'm hesitant to put a $1000 actuator on what's realistically a $3500 car... 2012 500 Sport N/A.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 2 жыл бұрын
It's likely you have a bad fuel injector. If all those are good and compression is low on that cylinder it's either a valve problem, or multiair. Only a leak down test can tell for sure.
@rixon3984
@rixon3984 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same engine. Been experiencing some power loss on my Giulietta 1.4 TB, checked the boost solenoid and cleaned it, I also checked the tubings around it if there were any leaks. My wastegate actuator isn't moving and stays in place, and the bars aren't increasing, might have to check if there is any boost leak, do u think that's the problem? and thanks
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
From what you said, a boost leak is a likely suspect.
@boul84ram
@boul84ram 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your informative video. how about turbo problems, since there were some claims about it in Europe, especially versions before 2018.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 ай бұрын
I haven't seen a turbo problem in one of these engines. I have seen a lot of people claiming to have turbo problems, which turned out to be something else.
@boul84ram
@boul84ram 3 ай бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobileswould you consider it as reliable engine?
@MicroTurboComplex
@MicroTurboComplex 3 ай бұрын
Anyone know if the timing belt kit is the same for T jet and Multiair?
@billeudy8481
@billeudy8481 4 жыл бұрын
Is the Garret turbo charger made by the same company that builds turbine engines for MU-2s and twin Commanders?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's the same company. In fact the Garrett TPE series of engines use what are basically large turbochargers for their compressor section.
@mhk1058
@mhk1058 10 ай бұрын
I'm guessing that cam positioning tool is very difficult/impossible to put in position when the engine is in situ? If so, is it a case of Tippex'ing your own timing marks when changing the timing belt?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 10 ай бұрын
No, you can get the tools in place with the engine in the car, it's not a problem, but it's very time consuming. Making your own timing marks are not really an option because you won't have anyway of holding the cam in place with enough accuracy when the tighten the cam nut.
@masoodali151
@masoodali151 12 күн бұрын
Do you think that gearboxes from the other cars that use the 1.4 T-jet Motor can also work on the bravo?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 12 күн бұрын
We never had the Bravo in the US, so I have no idea about that car.
@justandardprocedure
@justandardprocedure 4 жыл бұрын
Where is the diverter valve hooked up? I see the blow off gauge on the turbo, but I was under the impression the diverter had an electronic connection.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
It does have an electronic connection, I have it mounted on the driver's side inner fender. I have a video of the installation here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdVxldmkrai8gqc.html
@jgieka
@jgieka 3 жыл бұрын
I was told the timing tensioner needed to be adjusted to full tension first then rotate shaft twice then adjusted to center, is that correct? Or will it be ok to just adjust to center notch.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Center it, rotate and it should still be there, if not, do it again, but I have never seen it move once set.
@bsd103
@bsd103 4 жыл бұрын
Greg, could you list the timing tools in the description?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I'll add them in today. Good idea. I'll put in that torque spec too, I've just been busy.
@skyflier8955
@skyflier8955 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I had the knowledge and the patience to do stuff like this on my own time, it legitimately looks fun. And I must ask, is that your Jeep in the background?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sky, no, it's my son's Jeep. It has a lot of modifications for appearance and off road action. Under the hood it's a 2.0 Turbo with extra power via a Vaitrix booster module (which we tuned here).
@skyflier8955
@skyflier8955 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Greg. Jeeps are the only car I know anything about because of all the work I’ve had to do on mine. It’s interesting to see a much more in depth video such as yours though.
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 3 жыл бұрын
@@skyflier8955 The Jeep Renegade and Fiat 500X are made in the same Poland factory. May parts are common but the implementations are quit a but different.
@jetguyflying3144
@jetguyflying3144 4 жыл бұрын
Can you weigh in on the use of stiffer multi-air springs? You were talking about the fact that you could prove that modified multi-air units fail and cause valve to piston contact. There are is a tunner that uses stiffer multi-air springs in his stage 2 package. Claims better pull through the upper rpm range.
@vha27
@vha27 4 жыл бұрын
jetguy flying, Yes I'd like to know more about this as well. Was this modification that caused the valves to contact the piston from your video?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I very strongly recommend NOT changing to aftermarket multiair springs. At best you gain absolutely nothing, at worst you will have significant damage.
@mrm8325
@mrm8325 4 жыл бұрын
What water injection kit would you recommend? Thanks.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I talk about that quite a bit here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9KDf5OdsqqUmXk.html The most important part is the Vaitrix controller, all the hardware like tanks, nozzles, etc. can come from Coolingmist, Devil's Own, Snow or one of the other quality suppliers
@abhia1311
@abhia1311 4 жыл бұрын
is the procedure same for Fiat tjet 1.4 16V ?? Also, are those tools 100% necessary or other ways timing can be done by a , say, a reasonably experienced mechanic ??
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
We didn't have the T-Jet in the US so I don't feel good about commenting on its servicing procedures.
@Gunzprobish
@Gunzprobish 3 жыл бұрын
So the tool kit is not just for keeping the correct timing in place, but also setting the correct timing? Or am I understanding the use of the timing tool kit wrong?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
It's only for setting the timing. Once it's set, you remove the tools, you can't run the engine with those on there, it's won't turn over.
@sasazapadnik9335
@sasazapadnik9335 2 жыл бұрын
Greg, do you know somebody who is competent to rebuild this motor in Los Angeles area? Abarth 500 1.4 MultiAir turbo ("EAF" motor). And also what is the rough cost? Appreciate it
@asiftalpur3758
@asiftalpur3758 4 жыл бұрын
Fuel vapor harvester sounds really interesting.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
It is pretty interesting.
@maxnguyen22
@maxnguyen22 3 жыл бұрын
How much did this motor cost to build?
@skyking7964
@skyking7964 3 жыл бұрын
greetings,i own a fiat 500 sport none turbo with 98000 miles on it.I've done all maintenance on this car and often wounder how long do these multi air engines last?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
They seem to last forever. My 500L has had about 200hp and has served as a Eurocompulsion.net test mule since 2014. It has about 120,000 miles on it. I just did the timing belt change and did a compression check. The engine has zero, and I mean zero detectable wear.
@kaiwenli3432
@kaiwenli3432 4 жыл бұрын
Greg, is it possible to convert the belt to chain?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Not really, and I wouldn't bother, the stock belt is good for over 150k miles.
@bernatcarnerbonet3251
@bernatcarnerbonet3251 2 ай бұрын
Great explanatory video ! Thank you ⭐️⭐️⭐️ I have an Abarth 124 1.4 multi air from new with 40000 Km now. My recent mechanic ( official FIAT dealer ) has been using the 10W50 oil for my car on last 3 services and I drove about 14.000 Km with that oil…. I was assuming there were using the recommended oil as per manual ! Previous services with another garage , were using the recommended 5W40 . I don’t get why the FIAT dealer is using the 10W50 for ALL Abarth’s not taking in account if it’s a multiair or a T-jet !! I told them about and they are not bothered. I have changed garage and replaced for the 5W40. My question is , do you think I have damaged my engine by using the 10W50 for 14.000 Km ?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 2 ай бұрын
I suspect it's fine, especially if this was in warm weather, but that's just guess, I really don't know.
@bernatcarnerbonet3251
@bernatcarnerbonet3251 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your answer 😄 I guess for engine lube should be ok , my concern was for the correct functioning of the multi air system without the right density oil
@robertfiederer7959
@robertfiederer7959 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Greg. I have a 2019 500L that I'm wanting to do minimal upgrades to for a little extra pep/mileage. I'm having an incredibly difficult time finding an air intake for this model. Could you please point me in the right direction?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, there is no good aftermarket option for the 2014 and up 500L. I might make one at some point but there is really no market for them.
@momododobird
@momododobird 2 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles same engine then right capable for a abarth swap
@spinnetti
@spinnetti 4 жыл бұрын
What prompted the rebuild? Looks like a good candidate for a motor swap or just swap in a salvage yard motor and save a small fortune?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted the extra power I can get with the stronger pistons.
@GARR0N
@GARR0N 8 ай бұрын
Evening Greg! Thanks for such a detailed video. How hard would you say changing both belts and the water pump would be with a couple of jack stands and the correct timing tools in my driveway? I'm a sparks by trade and have some practical knowledge and have just purchased a 2015, 75k "1.4 Multiair TB Alfa Romeo Gulietta QV-Line" and it doesn't show this being done in the service history so thought I could tackle it, saving some money, gaining some exsperiance and the peace of mind knowing it wasn't attempted with sharpie marks by a garage. Is this the correct order of operation: 1) Remove the battery and the air Intake (to make room around the vacuum pump). 2) Jack the bottom of the engine to unload it slightly and place a jackstand for support. Where is a good place to put the jack stand and the jack to prevent cracking the case? 3) Remove the engine mount, freeing the area around the belts. 4) Remove tension on the serpentine belt and then remove it from the crank pulley. 5) Remove the crank pulley and install the locking tool by rotating the crank until the tool aligns with the bolt post before tightening it in place. 6) Remove the vacuum pump and install the holding plate (I assume that it will align correctly first try now as the crank is already locked in the correct position?). 7) Remove the tensioner and the timing belt and loosen the cam sprocket (Whilst holding tension on the cam sprocket with an external tool to prevent snapping the cam rod). 8) Remove the water pump with a container below to capture any excess coolant (I assume I don't need to drain the coolant reservoir or the radiator to do this? / This isn't going to all come rushing out?). 9) Install a new water pump with a bead of liquid gasket around the perimeter after cleaning the mounting services with a plastic scraper. 10) Install the new timing belt and tensioner, over-tensioning it slightly past the mark to allow for the tensioner to spring back, at this point the cam sprocket will also rotate slightly taking up slack in the new timing belt? 11) Torque down the cam sprocket (Whilst holding tension on the cam sprocket with an external tool to prevent snapping the cam rod). 12) Remove both timing tools and turn the engine manually twice and then check the tension is still correct. Am i listening for strange noises? weird grinding? how will I know if it's wrong? 13) If the tension is still correct reinstall other components, remove the jack stand and jack , and after waiting a little while for the battery to charge the system (To not upset the Alfa ecu) start the engine. I hope this all correct? If i go to install the holding plate and it doesn't align (Even though the crank is locked it the correct position) what do I do? does that mean the engines timing is slightly off in this hypothetical scenario? (even though the engine runs fine at the moment). Correcting me and any extra advice would be so much appreciated Greg, I hope to hear from you soon!
@GARR0N
@GARR0N 8 ай бұрын
Oh also I plan on changing all the disks & pads and brake fluid as well as engine oil, Oil filter, Multiair Strainer/filter, Air filter, pollen filter and spark plugs. Regarding the transmission fluid, it looks like a massive pain to get to and I believe this engine doesn't have a dipstick to check the quality, when do you normally change it and should i do that also? Any help with all above or advice on servicing it for a fresh start for my ownership will be much appreciated and thanks again!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 8 ай бұрын
I have never worked on a Giulietta, we didn't have those in the US but your description does look right, although I didn't go through it super carefully. cont: If the holding plates don't align, you have to rotate the crank and or cam until they do.
@GARR0N
@GARR0N 8 ай бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles thanks for your quick response Greg, how will I know which one needs to be rotated? By rotating one or the other won't I be changing the engine's timing?
@funcounting
@funcounting 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the off-topic but will you ever make a vid on the Thunderscreech? That plane is weird and fascinating and there isn't much in-depth info online apart from how loud it was.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure there is much interest in that plane. I have seen the one in Bakersfield, and it's certainly interesting. Maybe when I start covering the turboprops (meaning gas turbine engines driving propellers).
@funcounting
@funcounting 4 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Hell yeah! Thank you!
@danielcaponera5771
@danielcaponera5771 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a 124 spider and over the weekend when I got my oil changed, my mechanic said I need a new water pump and thermostat. Will this require the engine to be taken out? Or can it be worked on withouthout have to remove it?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Assuming you are talking about a 2017+ 124 Spider, I think your mechanic is wrong. I seriously doubt you need a water pump. If you do it's a big job, but no, you don't need to remove the engine. The water pumps in these things last seemingly forever.
@danielcaponera5771
@danielcaponera5771 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late reply. I thought I'd give an update. Turns out it was the water pump along with the thermostat and gasket. Looks like this is now a well known issue on the 124s. Needless to say all items were replaced under warranty and so far, no more leaks.
@jamesbondo5895
@jamesbondo5895 4 жыл бұрын
Do you reccomended mopar oil only?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Not really. I just suggest using a true synthetic oil of the correct weight. As long as you do that and change it when you should, there won't be any problems.
@marvinrieger7129
@marvinrieger7129 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Greg hope you can answer a question for me. While I was priming the brick on my 1.4 engine through the ball valve under the oil filler cap the ball went missing where did it go and is this a problem.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Marvin, I need more information because that's not how you prime this engine. A. Why are trying to Prime it? B. Who told you to mess with that ball? C. What forums are you on and what's your username there so I can get an idea of what's going on here. Any piece of metal floating around in the engine is a problem. We will have to take care of that, but I need to know what the heck is going on here before I can help.
@marvinrieger7129
@marvinrieger7129 4 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Ok Greg here is the just of it I bought a salvage 124 abarth it had been sitting for a couple of months, got it home and it would not start. I wasn't surprised after all I have read about them not starting after storage. From what I read the brick needed to be primed and the way to do it was to pump oil through the ball valve. I pushed on the ball figuring it was spring loaded and it went down and never returned. I thought the ball might return after it started, it did not, the car did start second try after pumping the brick full of oil. In fact the oil shot straight up on to the bottom of the hood and all over the engine. I believe the ball is still in the valve but pushed to the side or something. This is why I am asking a 124 expert for advice. The car is sitting on jack stands while I work on the body. The engine starts and runs great. The valve is located in the top of the brick directly under the oil filler cap.
@marvinrieger7129
@marvinrieger7129 4 жыл бұрын
Never mind I took the valve cover off and then the top of the brick off, located the ball, spring, and holder and reinstalled them. I won't be pushing on that check valve ball again.
@RealmCenter40
@RealmCenter40 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Greg, I know this comment doesn’t belong on this video but is there a possibility you can do a video on the HE-177? The paired engine drive system is fascinating and I have no idea how they achieved it.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Sure, but not for a while. There are too many videos in front of it.
@masoodali151
@masoodali151 12 күн бұрын
Hi can you help me or direct find a manual 6 speed gearbox for my 2009 fiat Bravo 2 198 1.4 T-jet I have the selespeed 6 semi automatic system and it has failed I am doing a conversion instead of replacing the selespeed gearbox and having the same problem with the electrical
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 12 күн бұрын
Sorry, we never had those here, so I can't help.
@cokeyNbk
@cokeyNbk Ай бұрын
Not sure but seems you removed AC. Is there a kit? I have a 1.4 none turbo i dont need the AC on
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Ай бұрын
I have not removed the A.C.
@asiftalpur3758
@asiftalpur3758 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg, it's been 4 weeks since you last uploaded anything. Just wanted to make sure everything is fine.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Asif, yup, fine, I've just been busy. Now I have been working on videos, they just aren't done yet.
@gabrielbaum9660
@gabrielbaum9660 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Sir, greetings from Nottingham in England, thanks for the very imformative video, i currentley own a new Jeep Renegade with the exact same engine, my question to you is, if it is at all possible to change the timing belt by just using the locking tool on the cranckshaft only? without having to remove the vacum pump on the other side of the enginein orther to lock the camshaft aswell? if providing i make sure the camshft pulley does not move at all, and make a fine mark on the cranckshaft pulley and camshaft pulley, is it possible to turn this engine through two full turns by hand on completion? or will it cause damage to the multiair system? please advise me as currently this video appears to be the only accurate one available on the net, or anywhere indeed. Thank you so much for you help.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Gabriel. Great question. First of all the belt lasts 150k miles, so I doubt your Renegade is there yet. It is possible to do this without the cam locking tool, but it would be very difficult. The accuracy has to be so precise that even with the tool the slop in some of the brands is enough to cause it to be off enough for the ECU to detect it. The only way I'm sure of is with the cam tool, and even then marking the cam is a good idea so you can see if it moved due to slop. The cam and crank tool come in a kit, so why would you only have one?
@gabrielbaum9660
@gabrielbaum9660 2 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Hi Greg, thank you so much for your prompt reply, i do have the kit, i got it of E-bay it's a 'no namer' like you quoted, my point is i am trying to avoid the incredible amount of desmantling from the other side of the engine, in order to lock the camshaft, and as you quoted risk damaging it when tightening the bolt on completion, i carried out numerous timing belt repairs on 16v. cars with twin cams and i have always managed to do them without taking half of the engine apart, if i do mark both pulleys prior to desmantling the old belt, and fit a new tensioner and a new belt and rotate the engine through 360 grades and the marks align then im there. I understand there is a slop as you tension the belt but the slop tends to align itself after two complete turns after the belt and tension is in place? Please correct me if I'm wrong. My Renegade is a late 2016 automatic model with only 36000 miles on the clock, but the belt sat in the car now for nearly 5 years and that is my concern. Here in the UK the information regarding this engine is very limited and 90% of my knowledge so far has been through videos on KZfaq with yours being the most accurate and imformative so far, and im am thankful for it.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried it this way. I do think it's possible, but not likely to work on the first try. As for the belt aligning itself after two turns of the engine, no, that's not what happens. What actually happens is the tensioner moves with engine rotation causing the cam timing to change slightly. This is why you have to check it after rotating the engine.
@gabrielbaum9660
@gabrielbaum9660 2 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thank you very much for your help.
@dantecafarelli
@dantecafarelli 3 жыл бұрын
Are you installing this in an old 124 or a new one?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
It's installed in my 2017 124, the same exact car it came out of.
@peteromprey9253
@peteromprey9253 8 ай бұрын
Can I ask one favor?? Can you please share with us what spark plugs are best for this motor ?? And if you want , the plugs for your modified engine vs the ones we would normally use?? It would be greatly appreciated!!!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 8 ай бұрын
Sure, I normally use these: shopeurocompulsion.net/products/ngk-fiat-spark-plugs . However the Brisks are a bit better for anti-knock, but they don't last long: shopeurocompulsion.net/products/ngk-fiat-spark-plugs
@peteromprey9253
@peteromprey9253 8 ай бұрын
Thanks again , have you had to deal with oil draining out of the brick ? And the engine starting ?? Any tricks to prevent that?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 8 ай бұрын
I have had to deal with that. I have no tricks to prevent it other than starting the car at least every couple weeks.
@Cawfee-n-Gonuts
@Cawfee-n-Gonuts 3 жыл бұрын
I’m trying unsuccessfully to remove the crankshaft sprocket/timing gear. Could you please confirm that the threading is normal for removal (counter-clockwise)? Thank you.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
You didn't tell me exactly what you are working on, but yes, in all the Multiair 1.4's I have seen, the threads are normal for the camshaft sprocket. However, it's torqued to 88 foot pounds, so it's on really tight.
@Cawfee-n-Gonuts
@Cawfee-n-Gonuts 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reply. I’m trying to change the oil pump on a 2012 FIAT 500 sport. I’ve completely destroyed the head of the bolt. I’m trying an Irwin Bolt-Grip as my last try with a wrench and breaker bar. Failing this, I’ll cut the reminder of the bolt head off and figure out how to remove the rest of the bolt. :)
@Cawfee-n-Gonuts
@Cawfee-n-Gonuts 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that worked. I also cut a relief cut around the perimeter of the bolt flange to relieve some stress. It’s a torque to yield bolt, so I had to replace it anyway. Thanks again for confirming that it’s a regular thread!
@maxsav007
@maxsav007 Ай бұрын
The Jeep engine is a completely new series of engine itroduced in 2016 called the Hirricane. Have not worked one one but it was supposedly developed in house by Alpha for the Giulia
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Ай бұрын
Yup, in fact we are already tuning the Hurricane engines, which as you said are based on Alfa Romeo architecture. The Hurricane is a great engine.
@maxsav007
@maxsav007 Ай бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles So this means there has never been a non-multiair FIRE engine in the US
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Ай бұрын
I'm not sure what you mean. The Jeep Wrangler has an optional 2 liter turbo four cylinder. It's a Hurricane engine, non mulit-air. The upcoming 6 cylinder Hurrican is of similar design.
@maxsav007
@maxsav007 Ай бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles As Im sure you know, this 1.4 is from the Fiat FIRE series of engines which go back to the 80's . As you stated, in Europe they had Non-Multiair 16v versions of the FIRE as standard. The point is it would seem that at no time was any version of the non-multiair FIRE engine sold in North America. The 2.0, as we stated, being a completely different engine. As an aside Stellantis claims the 3.0 Hurricane is bespoke as well, having less than 5% comminality with any other engine line.
@samuelrutledge3327
@samuelrutledge3327 Ай бұрын
I've got a 2017 Lusso, should I really let the belt go to 150K? A lot of people seem to scoff at that number.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Ай бұрын
I personally change them at 100,000 miles, but I'm sure they would be fine to 150,000. Fiat has been building engine with timing belts for a long time, they have it down.
@legionluciano
@legionluciano 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Enjoyed everything except the blow off valve... not a fan of that piontless sound. LOL
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