FIDE is a Bad Organization.

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5 ай бұрын

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@askthepizzaguy 5 ай бұрын

Notice how when Ben is actually serious, he presents well thought out lucid and reasonable arguments rooted in the concept of fairness. For a guy who is known for his insult comic style humor, when he's not joking he sure seems to care about whether people are being treated fairly, even when the subject is someone he doesn't particularly like. Which has happened several times, he's stood up for treating those folks fairly as well. Just rational and consistent. Almost boringly so, but then eight minutes later, it's back to more jokes. I like that.

@vdog22100 5 ай бұрын

well said. this man is a treasure

@Meurth 5 ай бұрын

Ben is the best!

@xwngdrvr 5 ай бұрын

Was thinking along the same lines. When GM Finegold is the voice of reason...things have really gone haywire.

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

You’re such a cool person. Wanna grab a drink?

@DavidMoreharts 5 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@paulgottlieb 5 ай бұрын

FIDE will never be the worst, as long as FIFA is around

@LunnarisLP 5 ай бұрын

FIA, FIFA and FIDE seem to be fighting who is more corrupted and more shitty lmao (FIA is from F1 Racing if someone doesnt know)

@ashrobinson4604 5 ай бұрын

@@LunnarisLP I think you have them in the right order here. 🫡

@Dr_C_Smith 5 ай бұрын

Equal first.

@Zraknul 5 ай бұрын

Don't forget the IOC

@mabel3989 5 ай бұрын

FIFA, FIDE, UEFA and FIA are all a complete joke, openly corrupted, openly incompetent, with incoherent decisions everywhere. And problem is, it's the only sports I follow a lot, chances are that they suck for every sport.

@chessbrahh2068 5 ай бұрын

Ben isn't a chess genius, he's a genius that plays chess

@Meurth 5 ай бұрын

he's both!

@AppleSauce7417 5 ай бұрын

Nah hes a liberal hes not a genius

@Zraknul 5 ай бұрын

@AppleSauce7417 yeah liberals don't fall in line with whatever dear leader wants. Very silly of them to want freedom instead of the desires of dear leader.

@utilitymonster8267 5 ай бұрын

You stole that quote from Fischer.

@chessbrahh2068 5 ай бұрын

@@utilitymonster8267 more like a reference, but yes!

@joeldick6871 5 ай бұрын

Notice that the rule they used to punish them was 11.1 "bringing disrepute to the game of chess". That clause is so vague that it could essentially used to give FIDE unlimited power.

@gm2407 5 ай бұрын

"Disrepute" does a lot of heavy lifting in employment contracts.

@94Gellert 5 ай бұрын

It's a very basic principle, that one should consider, what the legislators had in mind, when making the rules. It seems, that this rule is there, so that players can't get away with any crazy shit, that is not explicitly banned. But if they wanted to ban silly draws, they could have made a much more accurate rule about it (considering their fairly common occurrence). Sadly, arbiters don't give a shit a about this. They just absolutely love to abuse their power.

@gunnarandersen6570 5 ай бұрын

It's an excellent rule, it's made exactly for instances like this. And the arbiters did their job in this case.

@94Gellert 5 ай бұрын

As I already explained, if they wanted to avoid these cases, they would make a rule precisely for these cases. This seems to be the only reasonable explanation. Why do you think there is no explicit rule against this conduct?@@gunnarandersen6570

@conelord1984 5 ай бұрын

They use this "rule" to justify almost every arbitrary decision they do. They did the same thing to Sergey Karjakin, who was punished for something he did in his private twitter account that had nothing to do with chess or FIDE.

@birkergud7359 5 ай бұрын

Ben's take is really good here. Not just because of what he says about the Dubov and Nepo-situation, or the Anna-Maja Situation, but mainly because of what he says about FIDE (and the US chess federation) as a whole. Bad situations don't come from nothing. There are reasons behind them.

@tor13128 5 ай бұрын

what's the Anna-Maja situation?

@raskalnekov 5 ай бұрын

Anna got a warning, in the same sense that Aaron Burr fired a warning shot

@vlnow 5 ай бұрын

It's time to start your own FIDE. BIDE.

@alancosta4760 2 ай бұрын

BIDE 😂😂😂

@pavelernestonavarroguerrer7871 5 ай бұрын

I really love Ben reflexions! "It will be nice... talk about chess" Not only FIDE, on recent times chess community don't care about chess, only drama. Streamers, masters, FIDE, etc. It is really sad the path that chess is taking.

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

You spell “reflection” like David Hume would

@PkGam 5 ай бұрын

This sounds like one of those sorts of scenarios where the players themselves should form a new competing organization of their own and set their own rules. Many current players have a good reputation to bring in sponsors to help with funding and a lot of players I bet would happily chip in to something like this. Player-first orgs are always the best and most fun because they play out exactly how you'd expect a game to be played. No additions to sweat about that have nothing to do with a game's fair play, just the game and community.

@billebrooks 5 ай бұрын

Didn't Kasparov do that one time? And then we had two different world chess champions.

@ribbonsofnight 5 ай бұрын

It's important for chess to come down hard on people wearing sports shoes because otherwise more people would get confused and think chess is a sport. It doesn't matter that the shoes look suspiciously like sitting around shoes.

@johnfontaine2760 5 ай бұрын

The rule is that women need to wear classic shoes. Chuck Taylor’s are classic shoes. QED the arbiter was wrong.

@donovan665 5 ай бұрын

Well said Ben for pointing out questionable funding and corporate interests.

@jamesnasium4035 5 ай бұрын

Exactly right Ben at 1:06. This is the administrative mindset. They make a lot of rules and then they want someone to break them so they can enforce them. It's all they know. It's like FIDE is a bad vice principal of a high school. It wouldn't be hard for some powerful people in chess to get with some investors and form another international chess organization and run it better than FIDE. Chess deserves better.

@ioannisn.tsiroyiannis6022 5 ай бұрын

This has been tried before. You'll be surprised at the amount of strings that can be pulled if it's a contest of who can pull the most and the pressure that can be levied on to honest competitors to "choose a side or else.." Jussayin'

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

The administrators can see us later in my Winnebago for some winter bagels

@jwatson181 5 ай бұрын

Sounds like democrats

@sage5296 5 ай бұрын

In summary: Rules should be clear Rules and consequences should be enforced consistently Rules should be designed to improve the tournament and FIDE went 0/3 somehow

@inoderlulzer5163 5 ай бұрын

Happy new year to y'all!! Have a great one!

@Chunda8 5 ай бұрын

Another possible solution might be for the GMs and Super GMs to unionize. Force FIDE to the collective bargaining table, force them to change everything to work better for the players. Draw up legally binding contracts that they have to comply with, or wind up in court. The top 50-100 players would have enormous power if they agree to stick together, that would bring FIDE to heel. With enough sponsors, private donors and financial support, it could happen. If the top 50 players had the resources to sit out a season or two on strike, that would probably hit FIDE pretty hard. Then if all members withheld dues in support....It might be worth a try.

@mariowilliams5965 5 ай бұрын

Why don't the top players do what Kasparov did? Arent the top chess players collectively worth more than Fide itself at this point? Why not create a chess organization governed by the players?

@456death654 5 ай бұрын

I mean...they should

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

Kaspy tried this with Short...didn't really work that well. The bottom line is chess needs more corporate sponsors and less "Russian money".

@marcrob100 5 ай бұрын

Players need to stop playing at tournaments funded by dictatorships and dodgy money. But that might mean not making a living from chess. That would be a big ask.

@Jasterouge 5 ай бұрын

It was a complete failure. Kasparov said it was one of the worst mistakes he ever made, as it divided the chess world.

@beeble2003 5 ай бұрын

They don't do what Kasparov did because it didn't work when Kasparov did it.

@alipakdin7372 5 ай бұрын

Hi Ben, some say that the draw of Dubov/Nepo was kind of an objection because of the very long hours of play ,comparing to previous tournaments

@pedroakjr2371 5 ай бұрын

all professional players know that, but most say nothing and do nothing because they care more about their personal goals. I mean I would probably do nothing if I was there also, I'm not judging. But, if the top 10 players made a move, things would happen.

@whfsyv 5 ай бұрын

Im not bid fan of FIDE. But i agree with their decision about dubof/nepo. Problem not about play silly draws which could be intentional. In this case was problem that just before the game they on camera in front of whole world, on russian language though, talk to each other lets make silly draw with dancing knights. And then just play like that. It was not just intentional. It was declared as intentional before the game starts

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

So? Shows if anything they are not close friends, because if they were, they'd have agreed before meeting at the board. So FIDE is punishing players who are not close friends? Absurd. BTW Dubov had he drew would have tied MC in points and possibly led to a game with him, that would have been good for chess.

@gunnarandersen6570 5 ай бұрын

@@raylopez99 If players who are close friends agree to draw before the game, they should be punished too. But it's harder to discover/prove. I would have loved a Carlsen-Dubov tie break game, but you can't say this would have happened if Dubov had gotten 0,5 points on this game. Then Dubov would have had different opponents in the last games and Magnus might not have played a draw in the last round. Magnus played a draw because he knew that was enough to win the tournament.

@JohnVC 5 ай бұрын

FIDE: Basically, if you're in the top 10 you have a different set of rules because we need to get you to play these tournaments. This is not even including the extra accommodations that the top players have...

@rorykeegan1895 5 ай бұрын

I thought their draw was the most fun since Hikaru and Magnus played the double bongcloud. I'd give them a point each for imagination frankly ....

@Finfi 5 ай бұрын

As person who is not really good with words, I often watch videos and try to find someone who turns my opinion into good arguments and this one really did it for me on this topic. So I just wanna say, good job and thank you :)

@rathelmmc3194 5 ай бұрын

Wouldn't doing something like having draws count as 0.6 points for black and 0.5 points for white make it to where people wouldn't want to draw anymore? Or is the issue much deeper than that?

@thejohnrahm 5 ай бұрын

IMO this is a bad idea because this would make people WANT to be black. here, those who play as black can just play in a boring way and make trades trying to draw and "win." white has a slight advantage, but changing the points will just make things worse. also, it really only matters at the GM level. this just switches the favorite from white to black.

@PrometheanRising 5 ай бұрын

1/3 to white, 1/3 to black, 1/3 to the board.

@guillaumelagueyte1019 5 ай бұрын

I prefer the system of some non Fide tournaments where a win is three points and a draw is one point (sometimes with an Armageddon where the winner gets 1.5 and the loser only 1). Pushes players to play for the win, because getting +3 =2 -1 will get you more points than +2 =4 -0 even if both are +2 with the usual system.

@thehint1954 5 ай бұрын

1/4 point each for draw maybe

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

0.5, 0.6. what’s next, 0.7?

@scowell 5 ай бұрын

... and it should feel bad. Ben tells us how it is. Thank you Ben. Very glad to hear of a Ben Bot in the works.

@UOUPv2 4 ай бұрын

7:38 I feel like not enough people are talking about this! We need a new org like Kasparov's PCA to come back.

@gunnarandersen6570 5 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right in your assessment of FIDE, it's a terrible organization sadly. However, the ruling in the Dubov - Nepo game was just and correct. When this game was shown on the Norwegian TV broadcast, the chess arbiters in the studio immediately said that the players should be double forfeited. Because of §11.1, which is made exactly for situations like this. The fact that the arbiters suddenly decided to do their job probably took Dubov and Nepo by surprise.

@beeble2003 5 ай бұрын

Ben does say in the video hat he's fine with them being double-forfeited in this case.

@tfh535 5 ай бұрын

Why would they need to announce "behave" when "behave" is in the core FIDE rules, 12.1, and they followed it with executing 12.8 and 12.9. I was annoyed by the knight dance, don't meme in a world championship. But the dress code stuff is hands down sexism and deplorable, because it's only woman that get targeted by how the dress.

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

How were Nepo and Dubov to know not to meme? Is this an "unwritten rule" like those silly rules in American baseball that make that sport so boring (like don't celebrate after hitting a home run)?

@simonsays6026 5 ай бұрын

can that be any more vague lol@@user-OqyoRMdVK8

@dutchuncle2716 5 ай бұрын

@@user-OqyoRMdVK8 Which is an incredibly vague rule. It says nothing about draws or memes. It is completely open to interpretation of the individual. Rules should be concise to prevent arbitrariness. Rule 12.8 says "Persistent refusal by a player to comply...". This was a one off thing, a one off is by definition not persistent, so the rule shouldn't be applied.

@tfh535 5 ай бұрын

@@dutchuncle2716 the actions they took required them to collise ahead of time to fix a match into a draw in a way that is glaring obvious. To use your baseball analogy it would be like both teams colluding that their pitchers would just throw BP pitches because homeruns are more fun.

@beeble2003 5 ай бұрын

@@dutchuncle2716 The rule is vague because it's not possible to enumerate in advance all possible ways of bringing chess into disrepute.

@Nakilon 5 ай бұрын

I'll translate for you the words of the spectator GM Shipov from Russian. It wasn't about drawing. It was about drawing in such a silly way. "The way they did it is a spitting in face of chess community" -- this is the motive of the punishment. All top places in the tournament ranking were taken by Russians with Carlsen trying to break through them. The idea is that if you dominate the tournament you should behave and not make a joke from it. You could see on the recording how infantile was the Yan's behaviour -- how they laughed like little kids. It was disrespectful -- that's the point.

@Waine2000 5 ай бұрын

Football solved the draw problem by giving 3 points for a win and 1 tô draw (before 90s it was 2 for a win). I think that most chess games would be really more engaging and interesting if there was this incentive for a decisive result

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

They do have this already with so called "London Scoring" rules in chess. Interestingly, it doesn't seem to affect the final outcome (the best player usually wins).

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

I have a drawing problem. I wish I could draw but I can’t.

@DrugzMunny 5 ай бұрын

Getting fined for wearing sneakers is pretty ridic. I wonder if male players have ever worn sneakers.

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

And they were women's designer sneakers. Not meant to be used in sport or outdoors, it's a fashion statement.

@sterlingdriggs8806 5 ай бұрын

Yes, in the video of Dubov and Nepo match fixing you can see when Nepo gets up that he has sneakers on. Not to mention they bot have sweaters on, and Dubov's was covered in some writing.

@WintermintP 5 ай бұрын

The salt in the wound is that FIDE are harsher on female players and their stances on things are much needlessly harsher than before.

@methanbreather 5 ай бұрын

that silly Dubov-Nepo draw was at least entertaining, unlike all the other silly draws. So Fide punished the wrong people.

@thomasdequincey5811 5 ай бұрын

FIDE is a bad organisation. But I still think they made the correct decision with regards to Dubov/Nepo. What tipped the scale for me was how it looked that two players, from the same Chess federation, were working together to maximise their chances in the tournament overall. One of these players winning because of this draw would have been way worse than one of them "losing" because of it. It recalled the bad old days of the '62 candidates.

@lordjaraxxus3864 5 ай бұрын

Yes, but the point is that the rules and the actions of FIDE aren't consistent, to the benefit of FIDE and the detriment of fairness.

@venkinta3343 5 ай бұрын

I disagree. Do they just want them to do a Berlin draw instead of this? They should have said... I mean if they just want them to play the berlin to mask that they didnt wanna risk playing, i think it's stupid.

@vikramkrishnan6414 5 ай бұрын

@@venkinta3343 : Dubov and Nepo made a mockery of chess. Just like Hikaru and Magnus with their double bongcloud (though in that case it didn't affect tournament standings, so much less serious). The Berlin draw is a legitimate set of optimal moves that results in a draw

@nychold 5 ай бұрын

Would it have been better if one of them was losing badly in the tournament, and the other was a half point out of first place, so the loser plays 1. e4 and then resigns? Or even falling into a well-known trap, lose a queen, and resign? Like 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 exf4 4. e5 Qe7 5. Qe2 Ng8 6. Nf3 d6?? 7. Nd5 1-0 Do you want FIDE determining when a player "should have known better"? Then any blunders could be considered an attempt at cheating, at FIDE's say. Two players could literally conspire a game with one obvious blunder near the end, play through it never worrying about time, and then "oh no, I hung a rook, I'll resign now" and slip one by FIDE because the move made sense, but was still a blunder. Rules don't stop cheaters. Rules stop honest people, and make better cheaters.

@tobyquaite8616 5 ай бұрын

@@vikramkrishnan6414the idea of making a mockery of chess is based on the fact that you have clearly forgotten that it is a game not life or death. Just a game

@haimkichik 5 ай бұрын

In México the Federation works the same way, for them is a business, shame on them.

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

Mejico

@DiCelloPiano 5 ай бұрын

What was the other weird thing recently where a four way tie was decided to a bizarre 2 player playoff that "FIDE" decided ? Unless I misundertood that (maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong , but the first thing I thought was, " Like WTF? "

@proghostbusters1627 5 ай бұрын

The womens rapid?

@guillaumelagueyte1019 5 ай бұрын

I think that for this one they followed their rules, except the rules for the women's section weren't the same as the open section, where there would be a mini knock out tournament if 3 players or more tied for first (in terms of their number of points, regardless of the tie breaks score)

@proghostbusters1627 5 ай бұрын

@@guillaumelagueyte1019 yeah they had announced the rules and even the commentators were confused when the heard of them. I dont see it a reason why they would do that and i find it a little stupid and hypocritical if you ask me

@guillaumelagueyte1019 5 ай бұрын

@@darkmaster022003 I think they picked the two who had the best tiebreak score, so not favoritism per se, but a bit disappointing still, and especially weird as the rules for the open tournament were different.

@romanianpatriot303 4 ай бұрын

But they can also pre-arrange games and end up in an endgame that is a dead draw

@thomasbeckett1245 5 ай бұрын

They are just difficult to join, play and continue with. So people join,. ..? But then quit. Eventually. And the continuation is another club. Oh well .. some friends play this club, and I’ll be there for them. Even so. It would be nice to be able to understand.

@amarthurfurniture860 5 ай бұрын

Love that board design.

@Mantose262 5 ай бұрын

The Anna one is weird. The rules for that are too vague and arbitrary. The Dubov Nepo draw is easy to understand if you see the moves they made. They basically made a mockery of chess.

@ilyaalexeev7845 5 ай бұрын

I'd argue it's FIDE who's making a mockery of chess by arbitrarily punishing people and having no consistency whatsoever. Somehow it's OK to make a draw on the third move, somehow it's OK to make a Berlin draw, but not OK to make it in a "fun" way.

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

No less arbitrary than a 15 move GM draw.

@Mantose262 5 ай бұрын

@@ilyaalexeev7845 Imagine you didn't know anything about chess. The first game you see is too super GM's at the top of their game playing ring around the horses. Compare that to your other examples... They probably do not understand why they are draws but at least they look professional.

@ilyaalexeev7845 5 ай бұрын

@@Mantose262 So the argument is like "Lie to me, make a believable draw"? Not persuaded, to be honest. The problem here is not the knights' dance, but the pervasiveness of match-fixing in chess. It deprives the game of its credibility and it should be frowned upon regardless of the moves themselves. IMO

@Mantose262 5 ай бұрын

@@ilyaalexeev7845 That knight dance was incredibly unprofessional. People who do not understand chess would think chess was a joke after watching that game that was in the world championships not some random tournament. If you do not understand the difference between that mockery of a chess draw and a normal draw then there is no point in further discussion.

@JessicaMorgani 5 ай бұрын

I am new to chess and didn't know about any of this. Ty for informing us!

@msalty2823 5 ай бұрын

I don't know the story. Which Anna was Ben talking about, and when was the incident? Sorry to be clueless.

@jasoncalvert758 5 ай бұрын

Anna-Maja Kazarian, she was fined for wearing the wrong shoes 😮

@msalty2823 5 ай бұрын

@@jasoncalvert758 Thank you. I have no heard of the incident but it is not surprising. The overwhelming sexism and corruption in chess organizations are holding the game back in spite of the recent popularity.

@jigsaw2253 5 ай бұрын

“Sorry to be clueless” 🤓🤓🤓

@Al-gv5uw 5 ай бұрын

Is that why they are called arbiters

@Al-gv5uw 5 ай бұрын

All the arbitrary decisions

@fish.come.from_the_milk 5 ай бұрын

How do you get this board? That's a cool board

@stephenejack3855 5 ай бұрын

Ben, you are a smart man. Thank you for expressing my thoughts almost exactly on this most recent FIDE event.

@ash9788 5 ай бұрын

And so forth. Love you Big Ben

@giorgibliadze1151 5 ай бұрын

The only man who speaks truth! ❤❤❤ love you sir!

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

Does your mother speak the truth? (if you have one; some people have two fathers and a biological mother whom they don’t know)

@giorgibliadze1151 5 ай бұрын

@@qqqmyes4509 I know my father often speaks to your mother, you know, speaking after sex is normal.

@menohomo7716 5 ай бұрын

Carlsen dressed casually at the world cup, so on the first day everyone except Carlsen was in a suit. Players probably felt like Carlsen had special favors from the arbiters because on the second day it was a circus lmao. Fuck dress codes anyway, they could be playing with a goofy tie and propeller hat i wouldn't mind.

@blazinfear 5 ай бұрын

Magnus probably doesnt get specified special treatment. He seems like he just does what he wants. Imagine trying to give a fine to face of chess. FIDE probably knows its a bad idea.

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

In Silicon Valley CA, the dress code is casual. I've dressed up in a suit and gotten stares like I was wearing boxer shorts in a church or something. It's all relative.

@Chunda8 5 ай бұрын

Hawaiian shirts and Moon Boots, mandatory.

@JojenReed 5 ай бұрын

Goddayum, Ben! Love your passion for chess and equity.

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

I love your equity for chess and passion

@bigolboomerbelly4348 5 ай бұрын

Real estate?

@flipperzero9662 5 ай бұрын

Chuck Taylor Allstars, or whatever knockoff they may have been otherwise, ARE NOT SPORTS SHOES. NOT SINCE THE 70S! you can't find a single pair of them in any sport section of any store in the entire country, probably not even the entire world

@flipperzero9662 5 ай бұрын

P.S. hi!!!! Big fan Ben, funniest chess teacher in my opinion.

@ihk2421 4 ай бұрын

In my opinion I think the most terrible thing they do is letting the world chess championship by rapid games. For one it takes away a lot of the beauty of longer time formats and takes away the opportunity for both players to improve this can be seen in how Viktor Korchnoi after loosing his 1978 match with Karpov crushed the field in The Olympiad field in Argentina which again created more beautiful chess which should be the role of fide. As well longer matches allow us to have a better chance knowing who is actually the better player. You're not really the classical chess champion if you can't beat someone at classical chess but have to resort to rapid . I mean we now have a world champion who not only couldn't beat the challenger but was bested by him in the candidates, doesn't sound like much of a world Chess Champion

@alyssaskier2656 5 ай бұрын

It would be better if players could just agree to a draw for the results of the tournament when that’s what they both want. Mark it 1/2-1/2 in the tournament results, and ... idk, just play a rated game not pertinent to the tournament result. If you have to force highly competitive, highly skilled players to actually play a game, then that’s the fault of the tournament rules. Nepo and Dubov just demonstrated how ridiculous it is to tell players that they have to “really play”.

@michaelguth4007 5 ай бұрын

They aren't forced to play the tournament. But if they decide to compete, they should.

@KOKOPIKOSS 5 ай бұрын

I cant forgive FIDE for making Magnus dress like Aladdin...

@obmarte3803 5 ай бұрын

I can't forgive Aladdin, who forces himself to dress like Aladdin.

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

Are you the nemesis of Aladdin? That’s cool, I guess

@Chunda8 5 ай бұрын

That was kind of silly but Magnus was a good sport about it. "Yer a Wizard, Magnus!!" He would definitely be a Gryffindor.

@user-ii6xg1sj2k 5 ай бұрын

...of course...finally someone says it...FIDE is an undertaker of chess...

@stephenarrigo5679 5 ай бұрын

Can the top chess players community organize and work in concert to boycott tournaments from corrupt organizations like FIDE to hold them to account?

@ig2d 5 ай бұрын

Did Anna appeal? "It would be nice to talk about the chess" OK- let's talk about the chess. When Duboov plays his Queens knight back to Kings night one he immediately hands his opponent two free Tempi and when Nepo responds in kind he immediately gives back those tempi. This is unacceptable. The Lei Tingle (sic) draw cannot be compared to the dubov nepo draw because a) the evaluation of the position remained constant throughout the game and b) the organisers chose not to place any restrictions on draw offers It's not rocket science Ben. Furthermore the only person who lost out by the lei tingle (apologies if the spelling or name is wrong) draw was lei tingle herself - as the tie break excluded her from the playoff.

@maxwiedemann5423 5 ай бұрын

Ben is talking about things, again.

@TuxTuxedo-oc9kg 5 ай бұрын

but Fide is just a kid!

@ValtteL 5 ай бұрын

Well said Ben.

@Raugturi 5 ай бұрын

"Everybody's the worst." Easily a top 10 quote of all time.

@DavidMoreharts 5 ай бұрын

Ben’s opinion is informed, extremely smart and well articulated. Finegold for president!!

@lettersANnumbersonly 5 ай бұрын

How did that queen come from g6? The king would have already been in check. Unless that square is just highlighted or something. Wait did you say something? Crap I have to rewatch. Well played sir.

@trews1 5 ай бұрын

there was probably a pawn or some piece on g7

@lettersANnumbersonly 5 ай бұрын

Good point. My half asleep ocd brain didn't even consider that, but that makes a lot more sense. @@trews1

@RobinZuFALL 5 ай бұрын

I don’t really get why they don’t make like 3 points for a win, only 1 for a draw and 0 for loose. This would be a incentive to not play draws

@u.v.s.5583 5 ай бұрын

Ben is GM Ben Finegold, and we are not!

@jad1973 5 ай бұрын

Alternative video title: “FIDE read for filth”

@bremexperience 5 ай бұрын

Fide pulls rules out of their arses.

@anthonymort5202 5 ай бұрын

I wouldn't have minded what they did as long as Magnus and hikaru got the same treatment but they didn't so I'm kind of upset and appalled at fide

@adamrjhughes 5 ай бұрын

I think he has mate in 1

@valentinorfeuvre1447 5 ай бұрын

Well said

@slylataupe4272 5 ай бұрын

Criminal is a strong word 😅

@pschneider1968 5 ай бұрын

But do they feel bad? I'm afraid they don't... 😟

@klauspoetsch1841 5 ай бұрын

In the dress code matter I´m agreeing 100% with you, but in the known game I can understand the decision, there was clearly a line crossed and it wasn`t d4 d5 Sf3. Additionally, with a loss in such a tournament, sometimes it`s easier(!) to make more points. Yes, FIDE has many flaws, but don`t forget, there are many people out there who work hard to become arbiters and spend their free time to organize chess events.

@ublade82 5 ай бұрын

>d4 d5 Sf3 That's a hell of an opening

@chadmacgargle5311 5 ай бұрын

It was clearly a retaliation, so many games are played knowingly into drawn positions, forfeited after 5 moves or drawn after 12 etc... I mean Tigran Petrosian made a career out of 15 move draws. They're arbiters are trash as a whole, the few I've heard speak don't even know the rules.

@jacobs5518 5 ай бұрын

dubov won the blitz championship

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

He actually tied MC in points, if you take away the forfeit. I wouldn't say he won however.

@jacobs5518 5 ай бұрын

@@raylopez99 his 1st tiebreak was 262.5 and magnus was 257.5

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

@@jacobs5518 But if he had not forfeited the pairings, the chance is he would have played the champion.

@scheimong 5 ай бұрын

FIDE is incorruptable. Except for one thing.

@Yusuf_Kapasi 5 ай бұрын

I 💯 agree

@mrpocock 5 ай бұрын

How is FIDE funded?

@h0wnr681 5 ай бұрын

Players pay for membership, but I suspect there is a lot of graft involved.

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

Idk maybe you and I should do some Scooby Doo investigacion

@jaa928 5 ай бұрын

The engine gives T-shirts +0.02. Balenciaga sweaters are +0.50. FIDE must manage this for the integrity of the game. /s

@rohan1864 5 ай бұрын

FIDE is a yacht club

@ayalatxaluma3789 5 ай бұрын

i met an alien on a jupiter's moon (accordng to the fide am not allowed to tell which one) and when i showed him the chess game he said : lol ! u earthlings invented a game where the true goal (what u call perfect play) is to draw anyway. knowing how greedy you are, am not surprised at all, he said.

@johnlangenecker5664 5 ай бұрын

Warning, FIDE arbitrators arbitrarily fine people.

@giacomodibiase9464 5 ай бұрын

one mpre occasion of ben being able to pick from many languages, and choosing to speak facts for an entire 8 minutes. how is this man not the head of the world government, or at least the head of FIDE for everyone's sake

@thinboxdictator6720 5 ай бұрын

I like Nepo,but I think half a point, giving them points as if that game wasn't played, seems not enough.

@dickmacgurn590 5 ай бұрын

Didn't Ben coin the now famous "Botez Gambit" when he was crushing Botez lol? FIDE definitely screwed up with the double forfeit nonsense, especially. All they have to do is have a playoff round. The dress code fine was outrageous tho. She looked totally normal.

@Matthew-bu7fg 5 ай бұрын

Also what is a "prearranged draw"? The 14 move Berlin draw is prearranged... yes it is the result of threefold repetition but it is still prearranged. Players doing that draw should be double forfeited too

@listey 5 ай бұрын

It's only prearranged if they agreed to it beforehand. Dubov and Nepo lost their 0.5 as they had discussed just jumping their knights around before the game.

@Matthew-bu7fg 5 ай бұрын

@@listey how do the arbiters know that?

@unclvinny 5 ай бұрын

My first move when I become president of FIDE is to fire Emil Sutovsky. Can't stand that guy, so smug, dense and useless.

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

Probably got RU money behind him.

@jire9831 5 ай бұрын

Unintentional lichess ad. Arbitrary enforcement of rules is not great for the sport.

@nossingo 5 ай бұрын

Everybody's the worst. Amen.

@knightrider585 5 ай бұрын

FIDE in corruption terms seems like a pathetic small fry version of FIFA.

@Nemtomi 5 ай бұрын

Dressed "nicely". 😅

@boffo63 5 ай бұрын

Can't someone come in and just take over Chess. The money doesn't seem that big. There are so many billionaires these days.

@Meurth 5 ай бұрын

News flash: billionaires are not good people

@PrometheanRising 5 ай бұрын

You've pretty much just explained why St. Louis is the chess capital of the US.

@ribbonsofnight 5 ай бұрын

@@Meurth yeah, they're just as bad as everyone else and considerably more out of touch.

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

@@Meurth News flash: that poor sucker who will rip you off if you stop and help them is not a good person either. In general, rich people are probably on average better than poor people since they can afford to be nice, speaking as somebody in the 1%, though of course it depends on the person. But on average rich is better the stats show.

@Meurth 5 ай бұрын

@@raylopez99 hello, robot account

@bombsquid6436 5 ай бұрын

FIDEis supposed to be crooked and shitty. That's what makes it great.

@xwngdrvr 5 ай бұрын

FIDE is banned! Go Ben!

@qqqmyes4509 5 ай бұрын

Your mother banned your father from the house

@xwngdrvr 5 ай бұрын

@@qqqmyes4509 House? We all lived in a yellow submarine.

@SuperAWaC 5 ай бұрын

fide ministry of silly draws

@jadezee6316 5 ай бұрын

it was a travesty to hand over the tournament to magnuts on this bogus penalty...what was the penalty when magnuts quit the tournament where he falsely accused Hans of cheating? to bad you don't have the courage to come right out and say the truth... IT WAS A TOTALLY CORRUPT PENALTY!

@indoorkangaroo3431 5 ай бұрын

The more I hear about FIDE the more it seems to be shallow and pedantic. That said, there are plenty of sports organizations that are unfortunately run and executed poorly.

@davidp.7620 5 ай бұрын

In a way I'm glad the people who put up with FIDE nonsense dress codes end up being fined while the people who give them the middle finger they deserve get away with it.

@LateCloser 5 ай бұрын

True.

@jimmytwotimes802 5 ай бұрын

I think if they weren't Russian, they wouldn't have been suspended. Just my feelings.

@ashrobinson4604 5 ай бұрын

It was the right decision. What Dubov/Nepo did brings the game into disrepute, plain and simple, so the appropriate rule was applied. Pre-arranging a result is cheating. In almost all cases it affects final finishing positions.

@paulgoogol2652 5 ай бұрын

Like in the good old soviet days.

@raylopez99 5 ай бұрын

Not really. It's a myth. Fischer became WC with Soviet collusion. And btw giving a forfeit to Dubov allowed MC to win since had Dubov gotten a draw vs Nepo he'd have tied MC in points and would have made the tournament more exciting.