I remember this one quote saying 'they were named Fifth Harmony because they were only in harmony five times in their whole career' and it takes up way too much real estate in my head. Still love them though 🥰

I think it's very important to mention, and it wasn't even mentioned here, that Camila was posting rac ist posts about her band members, specifically Normani, while SIMULTANEOUSLY acting like she liked them. Also, when her stans violently attscked Normani on sm, she was completely silent, and it wasn't until she received backlash for this that she decided to get on her notes app and make a vague PR post, instead of actually condemning RAC IST behavior... So it wasn't like she was this super sweet girl who didn't deserve her band members' rightful criticism.

especially after getting into kpop, with the major energy and perfectly in-sync choreography, it's wild to me how we used to eat this up at one point

In their defense, Dinah said that they weren’t given a chance to figure out what the band meant to them. And I feel like if they were given creative freedom earlier, they would’ve bonded more. They get to be creative together instead of being given songs and record them separately. The lack of system when being given distribution of a song was a major factor.

The reason groups like Little Mix and One Direction succeeded was because of the synergy and cohesiveness. Even though 1D didn’t dance, they had great chemistry and seemed like they actually liked each other (at least in the beginning anyway). Little Mix (prior to the Jesy situation) were the bestest of friends and even to this day the remaining three members are still very close. 5H just seemed like a group of random girls thrown together and expected to excel 😭

Can we take a moment to give ALLY some love? As much as dancing (pre-DWTS) came the least naturally to her.... all members consistently agreed that Ally was the glue of the group that not only took care of them like a mother but kept the group going for as long as it did. Goddess-like, soaring voice who you could always count on for the soprano harmony. ❤

also, it’s been rumored that syco tried to make lauren the “camila” of the group first (which you can kind of see in the x factor performances) but they had to make it camila because she took direction better/was easier to manipulate

i was a harmonizer briefly in high school and even then i remember something about the energy of the group as a whole was always so chaotic lmaooo. as far as their solo careers go, i think normani truly has the potential to become way more well known because of how talented she is with both dancing and singing - her team just seems like they're really failing her :(

big emphasis on their age in their defense! dinah wasn’t even 21 by the time they fully went on hiatus in 2018, can you imagine

Regarding the styling - I remember when Little Mix were either on the X Factor, or not long after they won, I saw a clip with a stylist saying the idea was to dress them like four different girls with different tastes in clothing, who are all going to the same party together. I thought that was pretty cool. It meant that the girls had unique looks, but nobody looked overdressed. With 5H's styling, it can look like one member is dressed to go to a lunch date, and they're standing next to another who looks like they're dressed for a formal dinner. Little Mix would go on to have tour outfits that were matching, but not identical. So the outfits would be totally different for each member, but in the same colour, or each member would be wearing a different bright colour, with the outfits more similar or at least made out of the same materials. This kind of styling always makes me think of Destiny's Child. There's a clip in this video where Fifth Harmony are dressed in different outfits but they're all navy blue. They're all completely out of sync, which cancels out any cohesion. But it also doesn't look like there was necessarily a lot of thought and care put into it. I think that's the issue. If they'd been given more time to practice, and had people putting a lot of effort into making the group work, in all areas, it wouldn't have been as messy. It's like the people just half arsed everything. The only thing that mattered was trying to squeeze as much money as quickly as possible out of the group without caring about the group at all at the same time. Edit - paused the video to write this, put it back on and Jasmine says that their team treated them as a cash grab. That's a perfect way to explain it.

I was a very big fan of 5H while they were a group, but only of their music. To me the issue was always that X-factor put together five random girls with no thought behind (compared to Little Mix where the judges thought of their height, age, looks and their voices to make them a coordinated group) and then expecting them all to be the same artist and that they all were on the same level singing/dancing wise. For example nobody was really a dancer except Normani and that SHOWED, especially with Ally that always struggled and was always off with her dancing. They just put everyone together and excepted them to be dancers with full on choreography and I felt so bad for Ally. I saw them live once and it was pure chaos. It was just so obvious that they worked with good producers and songwriters (because the songs are GOOD!) and that together with the fans made them go as far as they did. I feel bad for them that had to go through being in this group since it was clearly not healthy or fun from the beginning.

Let's just say it. Fifth Harmony deserved better. They where sexualized since Camila's 18th birthday, when they filmed the Worth it MV. Syco exploited them and they deserved so much better

louis' presence in the background just makes me happy

Simon Cowl could take a note or two from kpop, they are masters of knowing how to fake group authenticity and chemistry, as well as knowing what factors are necessary to make a successful group. Members will offer various things such as talents (dancing, singing, visuals, variety shows, ect) personalities and archetypes that come together to compliment one another but still have individuality in the group. You can’t just pick a few random (albeit talented) girls from an audition show and expect them to have what it takes to be successful as a group long term.

The problem with 5H was always management and *never* the girls. Those girls had a true love for each other, and the way the internet demonizes them every day for being teenagers cracking under the pressure of being over-worked while the whole world watched is wild to me.

I still cant believe that their team made her keep working instead of going to a family members funeral thats cruel and so insane

missed opportunity to title pitfall 2 as “fifth harmonys lack of harmony”

That horrific work schedule is why I will not hear ANYONE complain about Normani releasing her singles at a snail pace.

also it was less aparent but does anyone remember when people tried to put fifth harmony against little mix??? especially since Little mix was just always doing a lot better. didn't get me wrong, I loved both groups but it was an era that reminded me of the wanted vs one directions..fifth harmony is the wanted.

the 2016 amas that's my girl performance was like their best moment they were enjoying themselves and the dancing was good and they really felt like a girl group

I was a huge 5H fan back in the day and I remember that Camila and Dinah had great chemistry at the beginning, their friendship was so cute and their interactions were so natural! Lauren and Normani had a soft spot for each other, i clearly remember them treating each other with so much love and confidence, you could tell that they were true friends and Ally was the mother figure for all of them. It's so sad how all the authority-music figures failed them and their dreams:(

So I was and am the BIGGEST Fifth Harmony stan and I just wanted to added a few cents. I understand to a lot of the public that there was so chemistry between these girls, but as a DEEP Harmonizer I would say the Better Together - Reflection Era was when they TRULY felt like a sisterhood. Were they perfect?! NOOO! Dancing was a mess, outfits always interesting (lol), and you could tell they were overworked. But they felt like family, they had moments they fought, and if you ever watched the AwesomenessTV Vlogs you could see they enjoyed each others companies as you would with your family. Besties no, but for sure a sisterhood. I think things just started to fall Reflection - 7/27 and that's what the world focuses most on.

20:00 A couple days ago I saw on tiktok a video in which the end of that performance was shown and it ends with all of them falling off one by one in the same way Camila did. I had never seen the ending before so I think it was really getting pushed by the media as something shady when it really was more of a clue that they all would get out of the group pretty soon after that.

I think the real problem with Fifth Harmony didn’t last long, it because company ruined their career and dreams as a group. As the label likes to control and manipulate, their young and vulnerable talented agent’s. That what they always do as it’s very rarely to have, an honest company to care about their talented agent’s. Health or mental problems.

i remember when tiffany haddidh shaded 5h after camila won an award and nicki defending them but only said normani😭like what ab the other girls...

At the end of the day, what caused the groups downfall was their management. I think people often forget that they were literally just kids when they debuted. And they were under a very toxic and manipulative label. It makes me so sad and angry when people talk about Fifth Harmony now and they try to pin all the blame on them, when in reality they were just kids trying to live their dreams. Their label did nothing but overwork them and constantly pin them against each other; which of course in turn made them lash out their anger onto each other. They were manipulated so hard by their label, I don’t understand why this part of the story is never mentioned. As a harmonizer myself, I feel like the chemistry was there in the beginning, but the longer that they were a group the chemistry started to fade and I feel like a lot of that was because of their management. They constantly compared the girls to each other and made them feel like they were in a competition instead of a team. And if somehow you don’t believe me Lauren herself has stated multiple times that she felt very stuck in her contract. Even the diss against Camila in their Angel performance and their letter to the fans saying that she left feels so controlled. It feels either it was written by the management or the management had manipulated the girls into resenting Camila for leaving. SYCO was probably upset that Camila decided to leave (since she was the breadwinner) and that was them punishing her. I really do feel like if Fifth Harmony had a better management, they would’ve survived in the industry at least a lot longer. They’re all sweet girls and they’re all super talented, it really was the fault of the management and SYCO. SYCO also destroyed one directions career by giving them no creative freedom, constantly controlling them, and making them put up these façades. In conclusion it’s all psychos fault and I think it’s really trashy that people are trying to pin all the blame on teenage girls for what happened to them when they were literally in an abusive, exploitative industry.

I'm not fully done this video but, I keep making comparisons of 5H to kpop... the overworking, back to back shows, tensions with the group, being viewed as a money maker rather than a human. Regardless of the market- whether its eastern or western, when a company sees your potential to become their money maker, they'll work you until you almost hate what you do.

thank you so much for making this video. i'm a harmonizer and all i ever hear people say about them is stuff about their "feuds" and how their "music sucked". camila and dinah started from 15 - 15 years old! and they've been sexualized for most of their careers. they were so overworked and underpaid - for a girl group that big, all of them should be a hell of a lot richer, not unable to afford taxis (aka "i can only afford the bus!"). they weren't even allowed creative input until the self-titled album when camila had already left and epic was pushing her and sabotaging the other four. it's honestly such a shame because they could've become an amazing group and the best of friends (the awesomeness tv reference brought back so many memories - they truly were becoming friends) but epic and syco wanted to make money. anyways stream 'always love' and prelude

I always used to say that they seemed like 5 individual artists who were forced to constantly collab.

Love your video! I was such a massive fan as a teen and still love them separately. I want to add that Lauren went on the Zach Sang show and revealed that they were also pressured by their label and managers to pin the girls against each other and make them compete for solos. I believed they were genuinely abused by their label, which is sad because if they had a proper stable label, they would have been enormous.

11:46 They also preformed the Spanglish version of Worth It at the Spanish version of the Teen Choice Awards called Premios Juventud and in the finale of a Spanish competition show called La Banda.

There was a time where they tried to make Lauren the lead , she would open the songs and sing the chorus , but I guess as they moved more into “girl group pop industry “ they marketed camila cuz even if you look at their careers now as solo artists , camila is the only one that makes pop music , the others are more soulful and r&b ish , it’s like they were marketing camila because her voice just fit , not because she was favored , cuz they didn’t see the girls anything other than products it’s like a toys shop , the item that sells more gets to be in the display but it’s still a toy , camila also had a personal manager that she’s still with today I guess that’s how she was able to do solo projects , she had a manager fighting for her that the other girls didn’t have

As someone who watched the xfactor season they were in as it aired, I still think emblem3 deserved to go into top3 instead of fifth harmony because they were already such a cohesive group, unlike 5h who was holding onto a thread in that damn show

does anyone else remember when fifth harmony was on MTV's faking it? bc I swear it felt like a fever dream on how random it was

I'm happy you made that last segment "in their defense", because although they were very messy and had a lot of problems, their environment really didn't help, they were mistreated, overworked and had no artistic freedom (which is why you can't blame them for the bad choreographies, I always felt bad especially for Normani who is an amazing dancer, it must have been horrible to have to do such awful dances lmao). And let's not say that they were never friends, at the very beginning they were (you can see it in the early interviews and the awesomeness tv videos), maybe not everyone but, for example, Dinah and Camila were very close (you can see that after Camila left, Dinah was affected, there is an interview where she talks about a "person" she would like to apologize to (something like that, I don't remember precisely) and it is rumored to be about C. Lauren and C were also pretty close, and Lauren, Dinah and Normani are still kinda friends (they support each other on social media). And while they were friends at first, being overworked and underpaid, all that while being under the spotlight at a young age, would probably be an environment that creates tension between anyone. Anyway, thank for your video, it was very interesting to dive back in the 5H years. Watching them become a meme has been very entertaining to me haha. (English isn't my first language, so sorry if I made any mistake)

I really enjoy this commentaries of girl groups and boy groups. 🥰🥰🥰

Was 5th harmony paid fairly for all their performances. An artist usually makes the most money from performing but I feel that wasn’t the case for 5h.

As a harmonizer i have to say that we as a fandom also had a hard time. It was so heartbreaking to see how their label and their team didn't give a crap about the girls. Especially during the selftitled era (2017-2018), we would do streaming parties, buyouts, radio requests and more, because the support from syco was non existent. I admire them so much for still wanting to deliver us a last album as a four-piece and i truly wish that they all find the success and happiness that they deserve in the future.

You have very soothing voice! I really enjoy them & how much work you put into them.

I love fifth harmony analysis videos

The biggest irony to me is that their first ever EP was called Better Together, when time's shown that they're clearly better apart lol.

thank you jasmine for the video! 5h was the first girlgroup (and boygroup!) i was a fan of and maybe i was too young because i didnt notice them hating each other that much (except at the end) lmao. i still love their dancing tho like the dancing compilation u did. yeah it was bad but they were all having fun so its still enjoyable for me to watch, it just gives me some giggles but not in a bad way. i trust you to know way more than me abt groups so it was cool to hear your perspective :)

and flo is taking over !!! #trust

Someone tell me why I was thinking about this topic all day prior to seeing your vid. Your deep dives are the absolute best.

My favs will forever be Lauren & Ally with honorable mention to Normani 💜

It irked me 5h were booking live stages that Little Mix would have shut down in the US market. 5th NO Harmony! Normani and Dinah saved them every time when came to choreography.

i think part of their choreo being messy is that 1) i doubt they had much time to practice since they seemed to be going on tour all the time, or it at least wasn't constructive practice. which leads into 2) they're choreo had to be made easier, and it doesn't look like their choreographers knew how to create easy choreo for them that looked consistent.

I really like your videos! They always bring me some knowledge and joy in darker days

very sad this video did not talk about their appearance in barbie life in the dreamhouse

Happy Monday everyone!

your hair is beautiful 😊

i will say i was 12 when they disbanded and i actually saw them at the houston rodeo and i LOVED it

Damn, Little Mix and kpop groups raised my standards so much that I can’t even watch FH performances without tears falling from eyes

Fifth Harmony reminds me of Blackpink. They are both the popular girl groups of their era/time but there isn't a clear goal when it came to the music. Fifth Harmony has no sound or music that you knew is them listening to it, it's the same with Blackpink despite their songs following a formula, it's not a signature sound. Both groups are known and stanned for the members more so than the music. However with 5H, there was zero connection as a group and no bond, at least Blackpink have that going for them since they trained together. I feel very bad for Dinah and Ally, they were overlooked so much and had fewer fans so the label didn't push them in songs or MV's. Normani being the only black girl had her overlooked and ignored, until they saw she could dance and only used her for that. I'm glad Normani is the star now, and I hope Dinah and Ally can be too sometime soon. Lauren seems to be doing okay, but she has fans more so from the LGBT fanbase instead of her talent. I hope she can be seen as a singer soon and not only as a girl crush. Camilla had all the push/buzz and only hit her downfall due to being racist to Normani. There's no one to blame but herself there.

Why do people keep saying that she was thrown off the VMA stage or they physically threw her. Camila threw herself off the stage and they continued without her like anyone can see from the performance. Camila being a victim narrative is so tired imo. All 5 girls were all victims.

For 5H I swear Simon watched the documentary on 9muses (kpop group) and said that works. Their chemistry reminds me of Danity Kane with 2 members wanting to be the center, 1 just wanting to rap, and 2 there because they love to dance and sing forming clicks and killing any good vibes

finally missed uuu

Had a good laugh, when you showed those dancing clips. Can't believe I used to eat that mess up.

TWO MINUTES AGO?? this is my biggest accomplishment.

LOVE THIS

What I don't like about 'let's criticize Fifth Harmony' wagon is that so many people hate them without trying to know who they were and who they are, specially new generations who didn't pay attention to them before/hadn't listened to them before belittle them and disregard the talents that they have just because they prioritize the meme-mentality. Also most seem to lack EMPATHY for them?! They were TEENAGERS when they started and of course they would've wanted better things for them! The messiness that the group had doesn't take away their qualities individually, and how excellent and amazing they were so many times. Also they had a unique chemistry🤭 they were incredibly fun and YES they were close (at least when they were four) and at so many times LOVING to one another, despite the tension that they had at times, like why did you expect? they were treated unfairly, couldn't spend enough time with their family, and they were growing up in public (also let's not forget how invasive so many of the fans were), OF COURSE they were going to be messy. I wish at least half of the people who are making fun of their former group today would appreciate Lauren, Normani, Ally, Dinah and Camila in their solo careers. They deserve that. I've loved them so much and I can't understand how in all these conversations about them so many people are able to IGNORE how incredibly talented, charismatic, creative, grateful, and beautiful inside (and out) they are💗 They just dehumanize them and see them as memes🤦🏻‍♀️ (of course this video didn't feel disrespectful at all, which is hard to find when it comes to essays about the group, I'm just talking about the response from most people, it's a shame when you've seen through the years how worthy of appreciation these women are)

Do a video on EMBLEM3!!

21:40 when they started dabbing I just couldn’t contain my laughter anymore omg their choreographer did them so dirty 😂

We know all this. Lots of ppl do this type of stories about the group but always leave out their solo careers and up to now… lot it’s happening behind the scenes that prevents the other girls from releasing an album.. Ally, Lauren and Dinah parted ways with their labels without an album release.. Rooting for Normani. Camila just signed a new deal with a different label. Dinah and Lauren have their own labels now and are indie artists.

this makes me think about why kpop force a training system to their artist, if 5h could've had some time to prepare (especially dancewise, Normani was the only one actually popping) they would've been even more loved and popular

I'm not surprised that Camila has OCD, Anxiety and depersonalization. They where overworked, sexualized despite Camilla only just being 18 when they filmed worth it - they literally shot it on her 18th birthday. I am surprised that the other girls don't have them - I don't follow the rest of them, but if they don't I am effing surprised. I am not a fan of them, I am a Mixer and literally only have listened to the singles, but they did not deserve that.

Even with such chaos in such a fan!

fitf in the back is everything

I was there. I saw it all. It's all true. But now that's over, that's why I like them.

I'm angry about the outfits! Who allowed this? They were just teenagers!💔

Sean Bankhead did their choreo 💀

Their stylist did them soo dirtyyy. Barely any of their outfits complimented their bodies and looked awful on each girl. Pair that with the complete mismatch as a group and it looks like a zero effort mess. Add in the dancing ahhhhh so cringe why is it so bad. Considering how big they were it's surprising they didn't lock that shit down, but seeing how much they were working they must have had zero time. Still hilarious though. No wonder Camila left, I would too

Not my favorite KZfaqr making a video about my favorite met the girl group let’s go

I think when watching x factor I didn't think they had chemistry and I also didn't like that camilla was pushed as the front runner of the group by x factor. I felt bad but it was definitely a reason I didn't like her as much....then the tumblr things came out. I would say though that labels pushing leaders or frontmans also causes issues and internal drama within groups and fans

I agree we do have to absolutely take into consideration fifth harmony’s team and they didn’t have a good foundation for success, with that said fifth harmony are extremely better as solo artist cause a group they were the worst girl group with recognition in the last 5-8 years I mean no shade to any on the girls. It’s truthfully at the lack of effort by their team that im shading

Do stray kids! Pleaseeee theyre a kpopshopcol band and theyre so good and self produced!

Yeah fifth harmony had cool songs but I’m glad I liked little mix and even tho they had jesy. They still did amazing shows and they were powerful. They knew from the begging who they are and what they want to give us. Not to mention they had real passion for music and performing.

little mix did it all while not being a whole mess lmao

Can you do a video on the new r&b girl group Flo, it seems they are gonna be the next big girl group sorry boysworld lol

I wanna know what happened to Austin mahone omg

I don't even know what to say like. First of all the manequin thing...i wanna know who was behind that and why they thought it'd be a good idea 😭😭😭

fifth harmonys choreo makes me thankful that one direction said f that when it comes to dancing on stage

IM FIRST

I'm kinda sad Emblem3 didn't get the same love and attention 5H got

Why no talk about Camilla being racist? If, my coworker was racist and had a racist blog I would be uncomfortable and lack chemistry as well.

Even a lesser known girl group like G.R.L is much more cohesive than them...

Damn, not u not giving camila racist remarks time

Let's pretend normani wasn't bullied by kkkamaila racist fans

At the end of the day, whether you like her or not, Camila was the reason people were paying attention to the group. More than half the fan base left when she did. That’s why she’s a global superstar now, and the rest are nobody’s now except for normani, but she’s not release music bc she knows it can’t live up to the hype or come close to Camilas success.

The reason was tht Camilla was the only one tht wanted it. Comming from kpop I dont understand the overworking accusations: you have a song, you promote it until it gets to places, period. This kind of hypocrotical attitude about western artists is why I never look them up anymore. Tbh these girls never came out as professionals. Thts why, no matter what their fans say, all of their solos flopped except Camillas and even shes not getting booked so 🤷🏻‍♀️. Sit down, be humble (?).

fifth harmony also can’t harmonize as well as other girl groups… ironic

You’re really pretty 🥰🥰❤️😍