Fight Club & Nietzsche: Overcoming Emasculation

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Bob

Bob

Күн бұрын

Western civilization is in decline, because its men have been emasculated by existential nihilism. The film "Fight Club" (1999) presents a contemporary interpretation of Nietzschean' philosophy as a possible cure for this disease.
🎼 Music: Fight Club Soundtrack - The Dust Brothers; Static Cling - Scattle
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@hiddentower
@hiddentower 2 жыл бұрын
odysee.com/@bobdoyle:c
@user-nd2qj9ey7i
@user-nd2qj9ey7i 2 жыл бұрын
but tyler durden is a nhilist?
@eccehomonohomo
@eccehomonohomo Жыл бұрын
This is a beautiful video with great editing. Any tips on how I could make something similar (software, organizing thoughts, etc)? I would love to make videos explaining Nietzschean takes on media and current events just like this video! All I have done the last ten years is grow weed and study philosophy/history/poetry/religion so I've got loads of data to pull ideas from. Do you write everything out first then make the video or does everything happen simultaneously?
@shidcat9322
@shidcat9322 Жыл бұрын
Thanks bob
@malcolmcurthoys5273
@malcolmcurthoys5273 Жыл бұрын
Welldone..
@akumaquik
@akumaquik Жыл бұрын
High Quality Version of thumbnail art? I want it on my wall.
@mikesherman1260
@mikesherman1260 3 жыл бұрын
When this movie first came out I asked a coworker if he had seen it. He said "no my wife won't let me".
@bobbyfirmansyah8580
@bobbyfirmansyah8580 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao his wife watch fight club then Afraid of his husband going against her
@heartsfear9216
@heartsfear9216 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you joking
@seanriopel3132
@seanriopel3132 3 жыл бұрын
First movie I ever bought along with Matrix. Those two along with Office Space completely changed my viewpoint of life, career and feelings toward society. If you don't love this movie we can't be friends.
@Nexus-hh1lx
@Nexus-hh1lx 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@seanriopel3132
@seanriopel3132 2 жыл бұрын
@Vince Calibur already have!
@amandeepbaghiana4510
@amandeepbaghiana4510 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like a commentary on modern society rather than a movie. Very Well written
@williamoverly1617
@williamoverly1617 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Amandeep. I appreciate your comment.
@themanlikekg
@themanlikekg 3 жыл бұрын
Fight club is a commentary on modern society
@giftenjoyer3664
@giftenjoyer3664 3 жыл бұрын
@@chriskilbourn If the past has lead to the present isn't just as true?
@fleshmachine9913
@fleshmachine9913 3 жыл бұрын
@@giftenjoyer3664 the past only matters as much as you choose to interpret it to define yourself. "Here and now" is the only thing that is truly real, the past exists no longer, only your attachment to memory of it is. So what do you do? Do you keep yourself stuck in eternal nostalgic/guilty reminiscence, or do you embrace the fact that your current actions and will to action is the only thing that is real (and the only legitimate thing to define yourself with)
@jambajuice7822
@jambajuice7822 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on.
@psyberdelicxp6042
@psyberdelicxp6042 2 жыл бұрын
Fight Club did indeed show the spirit of the age of young men at the end of the 90s...I was one of them..I read this book while working as an overnight security guard. The most brain exploding part to me is , the perfect irony it s existienc is: a book with extreme a message of anti consumerism becomes a best selling book, a video game exclusive to the console of the wealthiest corporation at the time; a book that is an accurate representation of americian masculinity at the end of the millenia, is written by a gay man. Well played, humans. For the record, this movie is an absolute masterpiece, from the incredible title sequence, the perfect casting, and performances to the subliminal weiner at the end. Also ithe financial collapse due to a terrorist attack on financial buildings at the end of the film, followed closley by 911 was a surreal time to be a 20 something dude. A perfect film. A work of art.
@tommyftw
@tommyftw 2 жыл бұрын
Which book are you referring to?
@bobiswambo
@bobiswambo 2 жыл бұрын
@@tommyftw Fight club the movie is based of the book Fight club by Chuck Palahniuk who is gay.
@jeremyc2957
@jeremyc2957 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that but It makes perfect sense when you think about it. Who would know more about emasculation than a gay man?
@basedchad6035
@basedchad6035 Жыл бұрын
@@bobiswambo Oh common why he has to be gay.
@mauricioramirez9744
@mauricioramirez9744 Жыл бұрын
I remember those times like it was last week.
@calebray4168
@calebray4168 2 жыл бұрын
When youre in your 30s, this movie takes on a much deeper meaning.
@abhishekt6775
@abhishekt6775 2 жыл бұрын
True
@LordDante-oj7jo
@LordDante-oj7jo Жыл бұрын
Yep
@theeternalslayer
@theeternalslayer Жыл бұрын
I agree had My breakthrough a few months ago
@mauricioramirez9744
@mauricioramirez9744 Жыл бұрын
Wait till you hit 40, it becomes perfectly clear.
@smartwater598
@smartwater598 Жыл бұрын
@@mauricioramirez9744 why
@danberger7034
@danberger7034 2 жыл бұрын
My jaw dropped when I realized that, while growing up watching this movie many times and admiring it, I had slowly slipped into the exact nihilistic, hedonistic "last man" type that I learned to avoid so long ago. It feels so good to have a moment of clarity.
@user-vr5zk9ox8d
@user-vr5zk9ox8d 2 жыл бұрын
Fuck, isn’t that the truth… And look at us now, youtube and social media are bullshit little support groups that just foster the same impotence and consumerism. What are we doing wasting ourselves away obsessing over other’s opinions and superficial virtues? Yeah, most of us will watch this video and just go about it like it’s not eating us alive and sucking out our soul. The ironic thing is that I’ve become that store clerk veterinarian that Tyler pointed his gun at. I’m in College, but for what? So I can be a doctor and push pills down people’s throats so that I can prolong death for a few extra more years? Just another dollar in Big Pharma’s trillions. Jeez man. It’s all upside down, and this I think is the gun pointing at my head reminding me to do something greater with my life again.
@messiona
@messiona 2 жыл бұрын
Do something with it. Go to a gym or something
@danberger7034
@danberger7034 2 жыл бұрын
At the gym right now brother. Also been meditating again and practicing some other hobbies. Sometimes it hurts even more but at least there is the feeling that I'm putting up a fight.
@messiona
@messiona 2 жыл бұрын
@@danberger7034 Good. Eat clean too and you feel like a new person.
@ttolmbrftttwtbopat
@ttolmbrftttwtbopat 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-vr5zk9ox8d There’s another way, you will find it. Life events happen, harness them, use them as a force for change. It’s better than letting the destructive emotionally retarded child-like culture we grew up in eat you alive. I think about that place in Hell where you just cannibalize yourself daily for eternity. That’s what we are doing up here right now. Just in a totally pussified and comfortable manner. It has to get really uncomfortable for you first. Like unimaginably uncomfortable. Make it through that with your mind Intact and you’re on your way to figuring out who you are and why you’re here.
@dirufanboy1971
@dirufanboy1971 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie: Nietzsche's 'stache was fucking EPIC.
@Mammon08
@Mammon08 3 жыл бұрын
The Uberstache.
@PiracyandDumbbells
@PiracyandDumbbells 3 жыл бұрын
The only moustache to ever rival a beard.
@sunset2.00
@sunset2.00 3 жыл бұрын
It was Photoshoped
@lionhartd138
@lionhartd138 3 жыл бұрын
@@sunset2.00 That, even if it were true, changes nothing. Your assertion is as wrong as your attempt at spelling the word "photoshopped".
@friedrichnietzsche2557
@friedrichnietzsche2557 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I know
@slowitdown5893
@slowitdown5893 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought the soap idea from Tyler was to cleanse oneself from the old ways of conformity, in order to become something new. Ironically, he's using the human fat of the consumers to do it. I also found the irony in the speech where Tyler says... "We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars" - as Brad Pitt and Jared Leto consume the screen. The movie is a masterpiece.
@therufflife4121
@therufflife4121 2 жыл бұрын
The fat from the soap is taken from liposuctions. They then take the soap to fancy stores to sell it. Using the soap they are targeting the rich in order to sell them their fat asses back to them.
@nontologicalbeing
@nontologicalbeing 2 жыл бұрын
"Contemporary society supplants the traditional role of the individual man with the state monopoly on violence." That is so well put and true from every angle. This is not paid enough attention at all.
@gregmay1787
@gregmay1787 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@orppranator5230
@orppranator5230 Жыл бұрын
That is perfectly shown in divorce too. The woman divorced the man and uses the government’s force to take his money in the form of alimony, or even to give her welfare paid for by taxes. (Child support too, but that’s supposed to be different) She went from taking his money, to taking his money.
@jofftherevelator3691
@jofftherevelator3691 Жыл бұрын
State sucks at it too, as they really don`t care. Police are just bureaucrats in uniform subject to the same last man living conditions who would rather deal with speeding tickets than real problems as they are just as disenfranchised and mentally owned as the rest
@dean1111
@dean1111 Жыл бұрын
@@orppranator5230 dude please stop the red pill shit, women aren't desperate to stealing their partner's money
@orppranator5230
@orppranator5230 Жыл бұрын
@@dean1111 Marriage statistics say otherwise. Half of all marriages end in divorce, 80% of divorces are initially filed by women. 96% of all alimony is paid by men, and women get custody 90% of the time. It is not all women, but the women who happen to divorce their husbands are greedy and use government force to take money from their husbands- money they are no longer doing anything to deserve access to- they are no longer loving their husbands, not supporting them nor comforting them. Thankfully, that of course means that a significant portion of marriages continue on, with the husband supporting their wife like a real man and the wife supporting their husband like a real woman. That is not “red pill” stuff, that is the truth.
@NathansHVAC
@NathansHVAC 3 жыл бұрын
This puts other fight club critiques to shame.
@the-secretartist
@the-secretartist 3 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@wayfaringstranger5808
@wayfaringstranger5808 3 жыл бұрын
It is not a critique, it is an interpretation, and a fascinating one at that.
@rustycage7491
@rustycage7491 3 жыл бұрын
IDK Paul Elam's still wins in my book
@trespeter
@trespeter 3 жыл бұрын
Ask Patrice O'Neal
@Despair505
@Despair505 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, analyzing Fight Club through the lens of Nietzsche is not a new thing
@oscarriquelmejato2283
@oscarriquelmejato2283 3 жыл бұрын
just commenting to contribute to the algorithm showing this video to more people, this is criminally underrated
@thomasferradini3549
@thomasferradini3549 3 жыл бұрын
Agree and commenting for the same reason :) crazy good film...
@ivansaric2222
@ivansaric2222 3 жыл бұрын
They dont want other men to see this
@theseenandunseen
@theseenandunseen 3 жыл бұрын
looks like it worked for me; moreover, my YT history on Nietsche and Fight Club probably amplified the process
@pantsenfuego9986
@pantsenfuego9986 3 жыл бұрын
His name was Oscar Riquelme Jato.
@ivansaric2222
@ivansaric2222 3 жыл бұрын
@@pantsenfuego9986 hahahaha
@robrick9361
@robrick9361 Жыл бұрын
This guy has the perfect accent to discuss this kind of content.
@daniellacy184
@daniellacy184 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos I have ever watched. Brings together so many thoughts I had about life and perfectly articulates them. I think this could have saved me years of figuring life out.
@gregmay1787
@gregmay1787 2 жыл бұрын
100%- I watched this in the cinema/ movie theatre when I was 16 with my best friend who is no longer with us- I learnt as much in in 25 mins than I did thinking about it for the last 24 years. Incredible interpretation.
@Nithael_
@Nithael_ 3 жыл бұрын
“Many wealthy people are little more than janitors of their possessions.” -Frank Lloyd Wright
@NoCokeOnlyIce
@NoCokeOnlyIce 2 жыл бұрын
The narrator says as much in the movie. "Before when I got angry or stressed I used to clean my house"
@JaredFromSubway88
@JaredFromSubway88 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoCokeOnlyIce clean your room, bucko
@thenarrator1984
@thenarrator1984 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoCokeOnlyIce it's true. I said that.
@thenarrator1984
@thenarrator1984 2 жыл бұрын
@@JaredFromSubway88 aye. Fight club of lobsters unite.
@JaredFromSubway88
@JaredFromSubway88 2 жыл бұрын
What's funny to me is that Frank Lloyd's houses were all known to leak...
@ExMachina70
@ExMachina70 2 жыл бұрын
Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster.
@apelincoln1616
@apelincoln1616 2 жыл бұрын
The way humans are wired, if we had complete peace and everything we needed, we would mess it up just so something interesting would happen
@mirceazaharia2094
@mirceazaharia2094 2 жыл бұрын
@@apelincoln1616 We say we want happiness, but what we really want is to fight and win against long odds, to prove ourselves better than what we thought we were. And then to go on and conquer ever taller peaks.
@christianangel2421
@christianangel2421 2 жыл бұрын
Meant to put “screaming” but creaming works just as fine ahah
@slappy8941
@slappy8941 2 жыл бұрын
Life is defined and given purpose and meaning by struggle and suffering.
@ExMachina70
@ExMachina70 2 жыл бұрын
@@slappy8941 I completely agree. When parents try to overprotect their children from the realities of the world, it seems to do more damage than good when they grow up.
@overcomethepull
@overcomethepull 2 жыл бұрын
My best friend, who saved my life from drowning, once mentioned this movie and said it was one of his favorites. He was shocked that I had never seen it. That was about ten years ago. He was my Tyler, and I have continued asleep down the path of the last man. Lately, I have been deliberately forming my life from the principles of true masculinity and have been facing the realities of the world, waking up from the delusions I was once drowning in. I am becoming proud of who I am day by day and I can’t wait to watch this movie after seeing this masterful breakdown. Thank you.
@jimmysmith736
@jimmysmith736 2 жыл бұрын
What did you do to start finding it?
@overcomethepull
@overcomethepull 2 жыл бұрын
​@@jimmysmith736 Hey man! Thanks for reaching out and asking! One of the most important things to identify are the self judgements. Often, they can be recognized when you become attuned with certain negative feelings, such as guilt or insecurity. For me, these two emotions have pointed me in the direction of my freedom more than most other emotions. They have served to keep me trapped in the image I have been conditioned to express, but not who I am determined to be. In this way, they have felt as impassable barriers, confining me in a prison of fear. Self acceptance is the ultimate measurement and this is how I have measured how afraid I am of being myself, becoming more unashamed, and proud (even of the "negative" aspects). It is in relationship with others that I begin to know myself. Simply put, if I find myself afraid to tell someone the truth of who I am then I have not accepted who I am. So you must pay close attention to any unconscious lying or manipulation of reality. Any time I have an urge to bend my words or behaviors, intending to control what another person may think of me, then I have not expressed who I truly am. I have suppressed a part of me I am afraid will be unloved and rejected if shown to the other person. It ultimately ALWAYS returns to how much you are rejecting yourself. The order of acceptance will always be illustrated by accepting something in you and THEN sharing that with the world. If you have not accepted something in you then you will not show it and you will be controlled by the fear of rejection of others. Think about what situations you are most afraid of. Find out the answer as to why those bring you so much fear or anxiety. Do not judge them or wish to be different or for them to be gone. Accept that you are afraid of them and allow the feeling of fear to be there. Overtime, you may notice a link between the fears you have now, and certain things that have hurt you in the past. Replay those painful memories and ask yourself, "what did I want that memory to look like?" or "what is it that I needed to happen that didn't happen?" If you needed your mom to believe you when she didn't or you needed your dad to tell you he loved you or he is proud of you, then find the voice inside of you that can offer you what they could not offer you in the past. There is a voice inside of you. There is nothing you can do that will make this voice love you any less. When you find that voice you can talk with it and it will heal you. It will reveal who you are and help you to accept yourself. I talk to this voice everyday now. I believe some people call it God some the unconscious mind. On the outside it appears that I am talking to myself, which admittedly I am, but in my experience when I ask myself questions or reveal certain things I am ashamed of, I do not know what the response will be. The love I feel has sometimes made me cry, I have let go of lots of self hatred, and I have become more honest with others in my life because of this voice. The best things to talk about are the things that come to mind when you sit still. Often those are memories that you have not processed and are avoiding to think about. If they are about the past or future then accept them when they arrive in your mind, accept the feelings as they fill your body. When I engage with the dialogue with myself or God or whatever it is that responds back to me, it feels extremely weird, unfamiliar, and uncomfortable. I often feel embarrassed imagining someone watching me talk out loud to myself, but I do it anyways. That itself is a practice in not caring what others think about me. I do it a lot now, I go backpacking often now and use that time to leave my phone off and talk to myself and discover who I am, to love myself and learn my true desires. I know I just shared a lot with you. If you have any questions or I was not direct enough with giving you help let me know. Life is hard. I have often felt overwhelmed and ill prepared and like others are doing it so much better than me. But the greatest pressures have come from within me, and that is good news because I can choose to let them go when I become aware of them. Don't be afraid to look inside, inside is the greatest darkness and the brightest light. "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung
@oddtherapy8919
@oddtherapy8919 Жыл бұрын
"He was my Tyler", is he gone ? Did something happen to him ? Hope you guys are both ok.
@overcomethepull
@overcomethepull Жыл бұрын
@@oddtherapy8919 Hey man, everything is good here and he is still alive and well. I used the past tense because back when I was referring to was when I needed to learn things about life that I was unwilling and unable to see at the time.
@svrona7696
@svrona7696 Жыл бұрын
@@overcomethepull Man this was one of the most inspirational stuff i have read in a while. Can easily see you wrote your heart out. Damn it made me tear up a little. Wish only the best to you.
@sk8ingthemystery
@sk8ingthemystery 2 жыл бұрын
This is incredible, it's everything I've been thinking and feeling but in a more articulated way. Great work.
@joshwilliams6517
@joshwilliams6517 3 жыл бұрын
I hate when people try to say this film ISNT about masculinity
@hiddentower
@hiddentower 3 жыл бұрын
They are truly the most ridiculous fools out there.
@haroldb1856
@haroldb1856 3 жыл бұрын
Many people want to silence the message of this film.
@lilpp4791
@lilpp4791 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously today where they try to show masculinity in a bad light of curse they will say that
@Jjjof
@Jjjof 3 жыл бұрын
@@TwiceBorn369 elaborate If you did watch the video you will see how this point he makes actually flows and isnt just some random crap. So of if it is part if the films message then how can you say that he missed the point. You simply dont want it to be part if the films theme so you disregard any type of tie ins to it. Even when its there
@byakugan2173
@byakugan2173 3 жыл бұрын
I never felt more expressed in a film or any medium till the first time I saw fight club as a 19 year old girl.
@jakovbegovic9644
@jakovbegovic9644 3 жыл бұрын
"Greater men or those who take action are secretly envied but publickly ridiculed."
@connorstansfield6461
@connorstansfield6461 3 жыл бұрын
I was massively intrigued by this statement too but I think I am unsure how to fully interpret the meaning
@blackmetalcumbia
@blackmetalcumbia 3 жыл бұрын
@@connorstansfield6461 the sheep fear the wolf but secretly all sheep wants to be a wolf
@zrules60
@zrules60 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackmetalcumbia wrong, more like a beta wolf envying a loner wolf (Omega)
@garth2445
@garth2445 2 жыл бұрын
@@zrules60 you ruined it, shut up.
@jdhed1
@jdhed1 2 жыл бұрын
Along with those who can't spell
@dinoeric1874
@dinoeric1874 2 жыл бұрын
I think this essay misses the mark by quite a bit. It talks about how Tyler Durden and his followers in the Fight Club are some special group of "Higher Men"; enlightened men that are above the hedonistic masses, but misses the fact that Tyler overtly states, "You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else." Fight Club goes out of its way to show the negative impacts of Tyler's extremist ideology, with the members of Project Mayhem being reduced to slaves that are reduced to spouting the same memorized lines to the narrator. While Tyler did bring a lot of catharsis to the narrator's life, helping him ascend past his consumerist tendencies and corporate mentality, Tyler's increasingly aggressive and extreme tendencies led to him shutting the narrator out and committing large-scale destructive acts without hesitation. Tyler went from rejecting corporate business society to leading a terrorist group mindlessly following his commands, just like the office workers he condemned. The story presented two extremes of one person at the beginning through the narrator and Tyler, and the end signified the narrator finding a sort of middle ground-- away from the weak-willed, indecisive businessman, and away from the extreme anarchist Tyler Durden. And Fight Club is, in fact, quite nihilistic-- just look at one section of the book. "I’ve met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging on the wall behind him, and God asks me, “Why?” Why did I cause so much pain? Didn’t I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness? Can’t I see how we’re all manifestations of love? I look at God behind his desk, taking notes on a pad, but God’s got this all wrong. We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, “No, that’s not right.” Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can’t teach God anything." Tyler Durden was not some "Higher Man," he was just a fantasized depiction of a depressed man's idealized self. The story shows how he overcomes both of his extremes to come out of it a better person, represented by him both killing Tyler by suicide and killing his old self by admitting his love for Marla.
@rubricatusseneca5770
@rubricatusseneca5770 2 жыл бұрын
Tyler was the higher man. The higher man is defined by its existence in justified struggle. What makes him the higher man is the struggle itself and the acceptance of eternal recurrence. The act of declaring no one to be perfect is the rejection of the theistic solutions and the acceptance of an end within the sense of completion. Man kind is nothing within the sense that in the time of the higher man, man is nothing and must strive to be something. To understand the whole thought of not being unique you have to understand what Nietzsche wanted the aristocrat to be which can boil down into two possible explanations for fight club. They are trying to be the aristocrats. The ideal aristocrat is defined by self solitude and the utilization of all things as a means to an end. Since all exists as means to an end to the aristocrat the progress made and actions accomplished mean nothing to the Aristocrat and that which does mean something is thier own ability to achieve itself. In this sense the members of project mayham do not matter and are only defined through the completion of the project itself. The second form is that they are not the aristocrats but the nescessary sacrifice to bring about the aristocracy. All actions to further goals of the aristocracy are both nescessary and justified thus they mean nothing except thier own sacrifice. To flesh out the theism portion. The construction of religion was used to justify our stationary and meaningless life styles according to Nietzsche. We gained value as special and thus valuable individuals in the concept of God caring. In the time of the overman religion is dead and our anxiety to find value comes again. This talk is the rejection of an end and the acceptance of simply being which is eternal recurrence. When Tyler destroys his delusions he himself accepts the recurrence. The goals of project mayham sought to destroy mediocrity when to become overman you must accept that mediocrity is apart of the cycle. The struggle is continuous and one must gain solace in that fact. When he kills himself, if staying true to Nietzsche, he is accepting the struggle again. Chuck Palahniuks intentions for fight club were always about self empowerment and strictly not nihilism. He even says "I have been called a nihilist, but I would describe myself as a romantic. I’m always looking for narratives that bring people together. I like my books to have a wedding at the end, rather than a death." The death is the wedding its a union of Tyler with the reality of his struggles. His greatest form of empowerment was the acceptance that he must struggle and that he cannot change the way the world is. He talks about the brutality of reality a lot but also talks about what you can cultivate from it. Edit: I just wanted to say that I only replied because I really enjoy Nietzsche and Fight club and thought that I could maybe help you out by clearing some stuff up which I myself have thought a lot about. My intention isn't to argue but to help you with the same questions I had. I hope I actually did help you and didn't just piss you off lmao.
@luisgrave1352
@luisgrave1352 2 жыл бұрын
you bring up some interesting points here that i was also contemplating during the video. my understanding of the ubermensch isn't that he is special or unique & THAT IS why he became the ubermensch, rather thag they become an ubermensch by creating change in the world & their lives, sometimes even by force. i think that in understanding that you are not a snowflake, that you aren't special or have a grander purpose in life that you can then gain the liberty to create your own meaning & purpose.
@Nick-ib1gi
@Nick-ib1gi 2 жыл бұрын
It's about spontaneous neurotic irruption of aspects of the unconscious resulting from the repression demanded by the modern world. The whole film is him integrating his shadow aspects, of which Durden is only one component. Marla is also a manifestation of it, specifically, the Anima.
@gordo2022
@gordo2022 2 жыл бұрын
Virgin “accepting the authors meaning behind a movie” vs the chad “making up my own meaning and using it to further my political and moral beliefs”
@ladislavnemeth3001
@ladislavnemeth3001 2 жыл бұрын
@@gordo2022 we have a Deleuzean here it seems like
@DeftPol
@DeftPol 2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting take, but it misses a major point that the author was trying to get across: namely that in seeking to feel as though they have meaning, many will give up their life of passive conformity and non identity to take up a life of even more mindless conformity and non identity. Tyler basically creates a cult using all the psychological tricks of major cult leaders.
@theironsheik6322
@theironsheik6322 2 жыл бұрын
This creator needs to listen to the director's commentary. Even Edward Norton (notorious for script doctoring) wanted to highlight the hypocrisies of this ideology.
@jimmysmith736
@jimmysmith736 2 жыл бұрын
Well at the end he destroys his alter ego and it balances out.
@AnCapDog144
@AnCapDog144 Жыл бұрын
So then what’s the solution
@marsalwin5101
@marsalwin5101 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel this video misses the point that both Tyler and the narrator are wrong
@AnCapDog144
@AnCapDog144 Жыл бұрын
@@marsalwin5101 And what is the “point”?
@kosmaaldabrowski6032
@kosmaaldabrowski6032 3 жыл бұрын
"OUR GREAT WAR IS SPIRITUAL WAR "
@contrarium149
@contrarium149 3 жыл бұрын
Our Great Depression is our lives
@Wayoutthere
@Wayoutthere 3 жыл бұрын
@@contrarium149 And the Coming Great Reset our ultimate test.
@johnwest1826
@johnwest1826 3 жыл бұрын
This is your life. Good to the last drop.
@AlexGarcia-ke3qq
@AlexGarcia-ke3qq 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed brother
@aydenbelcourt6035
@aydenbelcourt6035 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh I keep seeing more and more comments like these I thought I was mainly alone I guess great minds think alike.
@K-Diesel
@K-Diesel 3 жыл бұрын
Almost 20 years old this movie and yet still relevant..
@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork
@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork 3 жыл бұрын
More relevant, as we all spiral down the moral drain.
@seraphimvigor3567
@seraphimvigor3567 3 жыл бұрын
21 years old. It came out 1999
@Wayoutthere
@Wayoutthere 3 жыл бұрын
Dangerously relevant, KZfaq will try and ban this.
@Rottingopossum
@Rottingopossum 3 жыл бұрын
it will always be relevant, we are the last man
@Larcona_
@Larcona_ 3 жыл бұрын
20 years is nothing in the scale of society.
@ryanhill7318
@ryanhill7318 2 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favorites. I've seen it ten times at least.....and am only really starting to understand it in my late 30's / 40's. Excellent review!!
@kek8148
@kek8148 2 жыл бұрын
This is easily one of the best KZfaq videos I've ever seen. It's a shame the the guy that made it barely uploads.
@darkersouls1155
@darkersouls1155 3 жыл бұрын
3 months and he's still liking comments. Legend.
@ludaheracles7201
@ludaheracles7201 3 жыл бұрын
Yes liking comments is now the single most important thing to humanity
@Testosterooster
@Testosterooster 3 жыл бұрын
@@ludaheracles7201 you missed the point
@ludaheracles7201
@ludaheracles7201 3 жыл бұрын
@@Testosterooster I can assure you that I didn't.
@gopnikspace4795
@gopnikspace4795 3 жыл бұрын
"Every talent must unfold itself in fighting" Friedrich Nietzsche
@LeMarin96
@LeMarin96 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have the exact source/book where he says that ? Can't find it anywhere
@SimGunther
@SimGunther 3 жыл бұрын
@@LeMarin96 I keep seeing "Ibid" (pg 37) as the original source
@weiland24
@weiland24 3 жыл бұрын
It's from Nietzsche's essay "Homer's Contest". The PDF is online somewhere. It's collected in the book Early Greek Philosophy & Other Essays by Friedrich Nietzsche.
@outlawph
@outlawph 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this one
@elfuego121212
@elfuego121212 2 жыл бұрын
What did he consider a fight? That’s the question
@ghaleon1103
@ghaleon1103 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best video essays I've seen on Fight Club. Liked, subscribed, commenting for the algorithm
@jamesbriggs8301
@jamesbriggs8301 Жыл бұрын
A thought provoking, well articulated deconstruction of a film that is profound and meaningful on so many levels. Thank you.
@johngoldsworthy7135
@johngoldsworthy7135 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a simple man-when I see Nietzsche and Fight Club in a KZfaq title-I click.
@nemanjalazic7383
@nemanjalazic7383 3 жыл бұрын
100%
@balajigore621
@balajigore621 3 жыл бұрын
No, you are a single man
@johngoldsworthy7135
@johngoldsworthy7135 3 жыл бұрын
@@balajigore621 haha stop projecting
@observer4467
@observer4467 3 жыл бұрын
Deep shit
@duncanwcraig9668
@duncanwcraig9668 3 жыл бұрын
You are not alone comrade !
@ThundersonMusic
@ThundersonMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Chuck Palahnuiuk (Fight Club author) spoke at my college shortly after the movie came out. I was on the school paper and we spent a great deal of time together. He was very interesting. When we got him to laugh he began crying because he had cracked his ribs fighting with his buddies. He told us that he wrote the story about how Fatalism (the narrator) and Nihilism (Tyler) were really one and the same. That fatalism naturally falls into nihilism and hedonism. I like this vid's delve into the Nietzsche influence.
@jdhed1
@jdhed1 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a cool story. There's really no way to talk about it without delving into the philosophy. I started reading NietZchie in middle school in the early 90s so I had a grasp after watching the movie 1000x then reading the book but I've heard some hilarious interpretations by people who have no idea about who Fred was or his philosophy.
@DF-ss5ep
@DF-ss5ep 2 жыл бұрын
Of course. I had heard that interpretation before. What this vid says all checks out and makes sense, but it's half of the story. The full interpretation is that as the film progresses, members of the fight club turn again cogs, but in a different machine
@wr8196
@wr8196 2 жыл бұрын
The Narrator is the nihilist.
@ThundersonMusic
@ThundersonMusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@wr8196 shhhh...spoiler
@theeternalslayer
@theeternalslayer Жыл бұрын
Did he read guts or any of his other gross out stories?
@jamescarter9221
@jamescarter9221 Жыл бұрын
-Becoming a higher man: ✅ -filling the void of existentialism with purpose (having short and long term goals) ✅ -accepting pain and death as a part of life: ✅ -numbing the pain of existence with entertainment ❌ -finding a sense of purpose and/or sacrificing yourself for someone else's ideals ❌ -blindly worshipping a leader ❌
@jubalharshaw9512
@jubalharshaw9512 Жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this analysis, one of the better ones out there.
@seankearney7276
@seankearney7276 3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit this gave me huge in sight. My house burned down last year as well as my youngest brother died and my mom the previous year who were my last immediate family I had. I had no insurance and was homeless and without a job. I was suicidal and addicted but beside all this I'm still here and still fighting
@hiddentower
@hiddentower 3 жыл бұрын
You always have to embrace life, no matter what it throws at you, even if it is painful - that is a natural part of living. I would recommend you to read about Nietzsche's interpretation of amor fati. It is a very powerful concept, especially for people who have to deal with a lot of hardship, like yourself.
@seankearney7276
@seankearney7276 3 жыл бұрын
@@hiddentower thank you. Will definitely do this.
@einmann3252
@einmann3252 3 жыл бұрын
From a remote Himalayan Village I wish you the Best of Life. Godspeed mate.
@Mark-hn1si
@Mark-hn1si 3 жыл бұрын
@@seankearney7276 how’re things now?
@Inception1338
@Inception1338 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, get well soon. Whish you strength.
@zaratrusta79
@zaratrusta79 3 жыл бұрын
"Pain reminds you the joy you felt was real. More joy, then! Do not be afraid." Niander Wallace, Blade Runner
@solidsnake9898
@solidsnake9898 3 жыл бұрын
Pains reminds you that you are still alive.
@JMessLFC
@JMessLFC 2 жыл бұрын
This was a beautiful essay. Thank you for reminding me of the lessons from this film
@anthonygarcia3543
@anthonygarcia3543 2 жыл бұрын
That was the most cogent exposition of a visionary philosopher’s philosophy embedded a movie I’ve have never heard, but now see it’s as a perspicacious analogy I’ve ever heard!!!
@notthebeaver1532
@notthebeaver1532 3 жыл бұрын
"When a man looks into the abyss, the abyss looks into the man."
@markgriffiths3630
@markgriffiths3630 3 жыл бұрын
Its about taking the plunge
@oldnorth2666
@oldnorth2666 3 жыл бұрын
@@markgriffiths3630 Really? I did not know this.
@preciousnana5789
@preciousnana5789 3 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@markgriffiths3630
@markgriffiths3630 3 жыл бұрын
@@oldnorth2666 have you,?
@existenceisrelative
@existenceisrelative 3 жыл бұрын
"When someone uses this quote, people roll their eyes."
@viajodevezencuando7664
@viajodevezencuando7664 3 жыл бұрын
To me, the key phrase of the whole movie is: "we're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need".
@danielcausevic4403
@danielcausevic4403 3 жыл бұрын
That's why I'm gay
@aboutdoorsman4695
@aboutdoorsman4695 3 жыл бұрын
The ironic thing is women have gotten exactly what they asked for which is a softer, more ‘civilized’ man and they are more pissed off than ever. Real women, women who have embraced their femininity know they want their men to be masculine.
@larux6124
@larux6124 3 жыл бұрын
Correction: you were raised by a woman who was conditioned by a patriarchal society all her life
@larux6124
@larux6124 3 жыл бұрын
@@aboutdoorsman4695 Are you sure? In the first place, if that's what a woman wanted, how did they get it? Then the reason that men became more civilized and softer is more likely because it is what benefits the capitalist system the most. Don't blame women every chance you get. I do not know if we put the label of enemy in the things that are more different from us, but in reality we should unite and fight against the people of power that this system benefits, because at the end of the day regardless of gender, we all get affected
@betacuck3145
@betacuck3145 3 жыл бұрын
@@larux6124 the "people of power" and "system" that you want to topple, exists purely because weak men and women demanded safety and welfare from the state, which inevitably expands government power and overreach. That's why small government and individual responsibility is the logical option. Those capitalists who own businesses are just people who aren't lazy unmotivated slaves who managed to go beyond the nihilistic consumerism that most of us suffer from, and actually started producing rather than consuming product. When a society favors individual responsibility and dangerous freedom; patriarchy becomes duty, at the gleeful behest of women and there is nothing wrong with that. You don't want to admit that women are largely miserable, since being introduced into the workforce and the systematic wussification of men. Men are also miserable. Stop creating the system that you dislike, by consuming and abdicating your freedoms for security. Start producing and embrace responsibility.
@athiefinthenight6894
@athiefinthenight6894 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video and a really good film review. I absolutely loved all the art you used to help illustrate your point, really thought provoking stuff.
@mustafasukruilhan6183
@mustafasukruilhan6183 2 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest videos I have watched in a while. I have been listening the last part repeatedly.
@gregmay1787
@gregmay1787 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto 😂
@cellardoor199991
@cellardoor199991 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this movie was cool when it came out - when I was in HS. Then I joined the military, grew up, went to 3rd world countries. Then I thought this movie was stupid as hell. Bunch of white collar guys, w/ 1st World Problems, complaining about the world. Now, I love this movie again. It's more poignant now than before. Loneliness, isolation, purposeslessness, meaninglessness are on the rise and it doesn't just apply to to Gen X. This movie is a good analysis on males today.
@mirceazaharia2094
@mirceazaharia2094 2 жыл бұрын
Of males today? Perhaps. Of males in feminised Western society? Absolutely. Time to shake off that weakness.
@kevenrodas7
@kevenrodas7 2 жыл бұрын
@@mirceazaharia2094 western world isn't "feminized" it's turned into a commodity that's constantly being pushed down our throats by sales men. It's not weak to acknowledge that men all around the world are feeling the social powerlessness and financial anxiety that comes with late stage capitalism.
@origamifox5180
@origamifox5180 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah thanks to capitalism, something conservatives LOVE. Idk why they bitch about “men being emasculated” by American consumerism when that greatly is attributed to capitalism
@cellardoor199991
@cellardoor199991 2 жыл бұрын
@@origamifox5180 Communism and Socialism are far worse.
@orangedalmatian
@orangedalmatian 2 жыл бұрын
@@origamifox5180 true capitalism, as in not the corporatist cronyism that exists today where monopolies are formed by big companies buying politicians to stifle competition, is not that. True capitalism encourages competition and righteous struggle for both the merchants, consumers and workers because it forces everyone to reach their highest potential in order to best each other in non-violent war through trade and artistry. Making it far more sustainable and productive than the extremist alternatives for the pursuit of righteous struggle such as fascism. Which is a garbage ideology but for reasons I won't get into. Like outlined in the video, what has caused this decadent emasculated society is the feverish pursuit of "egalitarianism" that started as a result of the decline of traditional christian values through the enlightenment and it's lies. Ideologies like socialism are the apex of this materialistic and misguided moral framework as they see the false dream of utopianism that guides this pursuit of equality irrespective of truth as an absolute moral good, despite it having a bloodier track record in one century than almost all religious conflicts throughout history combined. What is wrong with modern day capitalism is not the fundamental idea of capitalism in itself, but the extensive political corruption of that idea by the degradation of the cultural fabric surrounding the market.
@YggdrasilReviews
@YggdrasilReviews 3 жыл бұрын
My beard grew 10 inches just listening to this.
@awolgeordie9926
@awolgeordie9926 3 жыл бұрын
pmsl
@drgnomeblox7785
@drgnomeblox7785 3 жыл бұрын
U are turning man again
@graygigandalf1692
@graygigandalf1692 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: you’re also a woman.
@aceofspades02
@aceofspades02 3 жыл бұрын
oh, come on! The video is just 25 minutes long!
@summonedskull98
@summonedskull98 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't have a beard till I saw this video..
@thomasdouglas9562
@thomasdouglas9562 Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic, well articulated interpretation of an amazing movie. Excellent work, Bob. Fight Club seems to be an imagistic interpretation of the Jungian process of integration of the shadow self, IMHO.
@wolfofallstreets5901
@wolfofallstreets5901 2 жыл бұрын
Still hoping for new content. This was and still is one of the best videos I've seen, and I don't share any of the authors views. Pure quality.
@jimbojamesyjames6757
@jimbojamesyjames6757 3 жыл бұрын
Just FYI youtube. If someone is watching a video depicting the futile nature of materialism and how consumerism has made society weak and lazy. Bombarding them with adverts selling laptops, sunglasses, smartphones and fashionable clothes, probably won't be very effective.
@jammintoast
@jammintoast 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love that contrast
@CigaretteCrayon
@CigaretteCrayon 3 жыл бұрын
Finally getting ads for privacy internet browsers may be a glimmer of hope?
@BrendanCescon
@BrendanCescon 3 жыл бұрын
I literally got an ad selling a TV and the premise was that even though you don't look like a model, at least you'll have a big TV, and that in itself makes you more manly lol
@Elesul
@Elesul 3 жыл бұрын
Just love your comment! 😁
@01sevensix
@01sevensix 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha... Great comment.
@richardcollins9060
@richardcollins9060 3 жыл бұрын
l presented "fight club" to my young son and it became a study for each of us, This film does well in addressing the condition of modern men. Great commentary here as well!
@kavallerie1436
@kavallerie1436 2 жыл бұрын
That's what i call a true father figure.
@minzblatt
@minzblatt 2 жыл бұрын
How did you deal with the sex scenes though... I can imagine an awkward silence tbh
@TangerineGrizzly
@TangerineGrizzly 2 жыл бұрын
@@minzblatt I think he was a young adult
@jpeg.600x2
@jpeg.600x2 2 жыл бұрын
@@minzblatt lol fr
@damiantirado9616
@damiantirado9616 Жыл бұрын
You guys don’t even understand fight club
@rorro6281
@rorro6281 Жыл бұрын
Best video I have seen in KZfaq, thank you so much for your work.
@FecalMattur
@FecalMattur 2 жыл бұрын
man I thought I had a grasp on Fight Club then you drop the testicular cancer groups that he goes to as a coping mechanism for his own self-emasculinization and blew my mind briefly in. I never actually put that together.. I knew it was to fill in for his own emptiness and feel purpose but not that it was on that deep of a level. Well done on the whole video and take my dude, well done.
@philstavro
@philstavro 3 жыл бұрын
"The masses are numbing the chronic meaninglessness of their lives with hedonistic consumption, greater men who take action and create are secretly envied but publicly ridiculed. People end up conforming to the mediocrity of their neighbors, either because they fear the public shaming or are just outright lazy which applies to most men. This exemplifies Nietzsche's idea of slave morality which entails a mindset of obedience, patience and humility. The result is postmodern society as we know it, which preaches weakness and pacifism as virtues and elevates victimhood to sainthood. The weak despise the strong and therefore start to attack their achievements with vitriolic slander. The masses eradicate individualism from within and turn western civilization into an egalitarian and declining nightmare." This is pure gold
@SC-gw8np
@SC-gw8np 3 жыл бұрын
He’s put my thoughts into words better than I ever could.
@imadn4147
@imadn4147 3 жыл бұрын
I took a picture of your comment to remind my self of it every time a blue pill imposed on me.
@555reaper
@555reaper 3 жыл бұрын
Who is the guy he mentioned during that speech. He said greater men such as Sarah frusta himself then continued. I read the subtitles and it read as Sarah frusta but when I looked it up nothing came up of him as a person what was his name who was he talking about? The guy holding the world in the picture?
@AJ-cn7eh
@AJ-cn7eh 3 жыл бұрын
@@555reaper Zarathustra
@gam940
@gam940 3 жыл бұрын
@@imadn4147 Me too. I put a quote on a whiteboard everyday. This is going up ( in pieces)
@justbecause968
@justbecause968 3 жыл бұрын
This is art. Intellectual caviar. It’s narration is incredible, and thought provoking. High level content.
@Yetipfote
@Yetipfote 2 жыл бұрын
bro this tastes like shit if you really understand it. Not caviar.
@ddmddmd
@ddmddmd 2 жыл бұрын
Chuck Palahniuk has a very interesting way to unravel his characters and to build the whole narrative around their personalities. He has been twice in the Joe Rogan Podcast. I recommend.
@orion1204
@orion1204 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yetipfote Hey a Last Man. A modern chomo.
@AtticusDenzil
@AtticusDenzil 2 жыл бұрын
Its
@jeremymontel6010
@jeremymontel6010 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yetipfote Nihilism goes like this "Nothing matters" > "I understand" > "Nothing matters"
@GunslingerMediaCo
@GunslingerMediaCo 2 жыл бұрын
Best commentary yet! Excellent job, brilliant analysis.
@themadhatter3781
@themadhatter3781 2 жыл бұрын
Watched a few of these analysis, this one by far the best. Think he gets it better than most
@yuppieMa
@yuppieMa 3 жыл бұрын
This movie's message is clear: Become your own boss
@mikepastor.k6233
@mikepastor.k6233 3 жыл бұрын
And fuc the man or state. The collective government will always keep the inner superman down. Cradle to grave dependency is what they want from their sefitude.
@Manolara1
@Manolara1 3 жыл бұрын
The narrator's boss depended upon the narrator's labour. Tyler Durden depended upon the labour of his space monkeys for project mayhem. Both bosses were destroyed. Both were the same but operated under different ideologies. The narrator understood this hence the destruction of both.
@oceanavenue5076
@oceanavenue5076 3 жыл бұрын
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs ends in self-actualization and that can only be achieved with amour de soi or "self-love." "Cornelius" didn't gain his independence until he started to respect his manhood.
@arpitthakur45
@arpitthakur45 3 жыл бұрын
@Arbane's Sword i want that...
@anupamtilaknetala605
@anupamtilaknetala605 3 жыл бұрын
@Arbane's Sword but self actualisation can be an antidote to nihilism...so that inherently doesn't make self serving or selfishness bad
@mridulsharma7994
@mridulsharma7994 3 жыл бұрын
This is more well-researched than most master's dissertations I've read
@T4wsi5w47w7
@T4wsi5w47w7 3 жыл бұрын
Damn you need to read real masters dissertations
@nicholasnajibi3082
@nicholasnajibi3082 3 жыл бұрын
You KZfaq generation need to get out more
@pewwwwooop
@pewwwwooop 3 жыл бұрын
Sad for the master work yikes
@tiberiusava4592
@tiberiusava4592 3 жыл бұрын
This movie is the master thesis, but Fight Club is a Summa Cum Laude PhD
@marsship921
@marsship921 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasnajibi3082 i heard a few, they reduced It to a critic to toxic masculinity and made It all about lgbt rights.
@SymbolismDude
@SymbolismDude 2 жыл бұрын
Great video man. Loved the tie-ins showing the relation to Nietzsche’s philosophy, gave me a new viewpoint on the movie as well as learned about Nietzsches philosophies more in depth. I’m assuming there were some pauses on the frames because of KZfaq copyright butchers but still highly enjoyed the video.
@Sky_W_
@Sky_W_ Жыл бұрын
wow, I'm glad youtube recommending me this video, thanks to the creator for making this great video 👏
@jayraymond9707
@jayraymond9707 3 жыл бұрын
The irony of the car commercials and Best Buy ads during this video isn’t lost on me. Thanks KZfaq for making sure I hit my ad minimum standards for the day.
@liamkelly8524
@liamkelly8524 3 жыл бұрын
Dude. Adblock.
@letsgetchino6669
@letsgetchino6669 3 жыл бұрын
“We’re a generation of men raised by women, I’m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.”
@stanbolkowy166
@stanbolkowy166 3 жыл бұрын
that line in the movie hit's such a nail on the head i can't begin to imagine, and actually, it began in the early 70s and only intensified in the 80s until by the 90s to the present it would only make you the wierd one if you had parents that were still together
@bobbyb4024
@bobbyb4024 2 жыл бұрын
Ironically the whole movie would've never happened if he just called Marla
@negativezero8174
@negativezero8174 2 жыл бұрын
A generation of men raised by women knocked up by man children who didn’t stick around to raise us.
@letsgetchino6669
@letsgetchino6669 2 жыл бұрын
@@bobbyb4024 lmfao bro fr! 😂😂
@jonpaul3868
@jonpaul3868 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@matthewthehawk1066
@matthewthehawk1066 Жыл бұрын
Love this, extremely well put together. Finally something intelligent on youtube
@frankcastle2876
@frankcastle2876 Жыл бұрын
An extremely accurate non ending high complicated description that one male feels by diffusion when actually watching the film. Seamlessly finding enlightenment through, constant, never ending, always present... ...PAIN!
@mojungle3054
@mojungle3054 3 жыл бұрын
I finally understand this movie. I finally, truly understand that glorious walrus, Nietzsche My life turned upside down last year and to cope, I became a long-haul truck driver. That was my personal fight club and now I think I'm finally getting it
@alejandroc7357
@alejandroc7357 3 жыл бұрын
Now you need the real fight Club. Join a boxing gym or an mma gym. It will do wonders for you man trust me.
@mikepastor.k6233
@mikepastor.k6233 3 жыл бұрын
@@alejandroc7357 jujitsu is a philosophy itself.
@theeternalslayer
@theeternalslayer 3 жыл бұрын
The book is really good too, i gotta read it again but check it out
@ricardoge96
@ricardoge96 3 жыл бұрын
Gratz mate, i got to hit rock bottom too, it was 3 years ago, addicted to weed, having an awful relationship with my family and deep in depression, but after i finished my studies and going to the gym for a good while, i can get a real grasp of what was the narrator going throughout the movie, keep it up kings, own yourselves!
@mikepastor.k6233
@mikepastor.k6233 3 жыл бұрын
@@ricardoge96 can you become "addicted" to weed?
@naf546
@naf546 2 жыл бұрын
"The highest form of wealth is self mastery over the human mind."
@thore2910
@thore2910 Жыл бұрын
I think you missed something important: The Cult Tyler created is just another civil religion. Man is supposed to live for himself and make one's own rules. However, the members of mayhem diluted themselves into thinking they were free spirits who figured it all out even though they just followed another religion at the end of the day.
@rafikohli5465
@rafikohli5465 Жыл бұрын
💯🤜🤛
@SymmetricalHorizon
@SymmetricalHorizon 2 жыл бұрын
Probably one of the best video essays I've ever listen to. Clear concise and informative. Very well spoken well done sir!
@gregmay1787
@gregmay1787 2 жыл бұрын
100%
@alicantuncer4800
@alicantuncer4800 3 жыл бұрын
German accent makes it more credible when it comes to Nietzsche.
@chingchingbling2145
@chingchingbling2145 3 жыл бұрын
The emasculation problem is not only exclusive to the "Western" man. It's a global pandemic and present in almost every country, except in some remote villages. In East Asian countries like Japan, it's far worse than the west - it is in fact the future of the west in many ways. Countries like India, Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia are catching up fast.
@theeternalslayer
@theeternalslayer 3 жыл бұрын
Bro Japanese people are just lonely and isolated, Chinese men can't have a life outside of manual labor, Russia and Poland still have it but for how long??
@boatswain48
@boatswain48 3 жыл бұрын
@@theeternalslayer What kind of bro he is to you ?
@Andy-Bodhi
@Andy-Bodhi 3 жыл бұрын
@@boatswain48 same as the what you are to me, brother
@fromthesouthofafrica6815
@fromthesouthofafrica6815 3 жыл бұрын
South Africa has joined the chat.
@derek96720
@derek96720 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, I would argue that the workaholic culture that Japan is dealing with right now is something that the Western world already went through back in the '80s, at the height of White collar consumerism.
@samrathsinghrajawat
@samrathsinghrajawat 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Kudos to the editing and commentary.
@josephdanmathis1876
@josephdanmathis1876 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent content. These concepts are not new to me, however you articulated them very well. Thanks for that, not for me, but for all of those, who are so far unaware, they are decaying into nothing.
@toro_bravo_80
@toro_bravo_80 3 жыл бұрын
“You’ll wear leather clothes that will last the rest of your life.” My core tingled like nothing I ever purchased or loved. My nature out powered my self-want. I’m am free again.
@MacSmithVideo
@MacSmithVideo 3 жыл бұрын
This is excellent. People who think Fight Club is just a satire of masculinity or whatever miss so much. Though I think Project Mayhem (or at least an aspect of it) represents the problems with teaching Nietzsche to the masses. Collectivizing Nietzsche doesn't work. Project Mayhem is another trap on the way to overcoming. When Project Mayhem begins, the Narrator begins to move beyond Durden.
@hiddentower
@hiddentower 3 жыл бұрын
Valid point, however I think there can be such a thing as a decentralized elite movement that is non-collectivist.
@Jellycakelap
@Jellycakelap 3 жыл бұрын
Read Haunted. Read Rant. Read interviews with P. Fight Club was written as a mockery of faux masculinism.
@MacSmithVideo
@MacSmithVideo 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jellycakelap don't believe everything you read
@FujinKeima
@FujinKeima 3 жыл бұрын
@The Doomer formerly known as John Jourdan Gay & masculine aren't mutually exclusive, just saying.
@MacSmithVideo
@MacSmithVideo 3 жыл бұрын
@The Doomer formerly known as John Jourdan how so?
@budzikt
@budzikt 2 жыл бұрын
This video brings so much clarity that it should be displayed on street billboards.
@fabhescher2108
@fabhescher2108 Жыл бұрын
Good Lord! I have seen this film several times and never realized the deep psychological/philosophical nature of the story. Thank you for this video; you are brilliant!
@user-yn4po3ve6n
@user-yn4po3ve6n 3 жыл бұрын
And even still at the end of the day, we're gonna return to our jobs, go to our favorite outlets, keep a few vices, and call it a day. We will then learn a new ability at some of the stagnation, break from our routines, feel elevated for a certain period, until this then becomes the new routine, and the cycle of being human lives on. I think the best thing I took from this commentary is that we have to be fluid in this life and not remain stagnant. If we have insecurities that make us feel emasculated, we must face those head on and explore these vulnerabilities, reach newer emotional responses so that we can make the world a better place, and leave these roots sown for the future. "To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often." -Winston Churchill
@SilentAttackTV
@SilentAttackTV 3 жыл бұрын
Truth is truth no matter where you find it, but kind of a funny quote from an overweight alcoholic
@flynnwhimster5371
@flynnwhimster5371 3 жыл бұрын
Now that's what I call a way to improve ourselves.
@Corax.S
@Corax.S 2 жыл бұрын
“Life swings like a pendulum backward and forward between pain and boredom.” You gotta admire just how much of a fucking downer Schopenhauer was.
@ATT1992
@ATT1992 3 жыл бұрын
This is an absolute masterpiece in philosophy and psychology. The editing and structure of the video was on point as well. Bravo.
@gregmay1787
@gregmay1787 2 жыл бұрын
Hear hear
@aasman22
@aasman22 2 жыл бұрын
dude watched the movie about 11 times. great summary. keep going mate.
@noelgstanley
@noelgstanley 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. What an enlightening and poignant message this essay had for me. Great work.
@juriwestendorf6548
@juriwestendorf6548 3 жыл бұрын
That guy is German. Represent
@hiddentower
@hiddentower 3 жыл бұрын
Grüße in die Heimat.
@Lenny-zn8hn
@Lenny-zn8hn 3 жыл бұрын
@@hiddentower Junge, wie geil einfach nur! Riesen Respekt für so deutliches und komplexes Englisch über so einen langen Essay hinweg!
@pewwwwooop
@pewwwwooop 3 жыл бұрын
If you are german whx you pronounce Zarathustra so god damn wrong
@mariaaarns9911
@mariaaarns9911 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lenny-zn8hn echt unfassbar! Bist du auch süchtig nach Fightclub? Finde den Lebensstil von Tyler Durden einfach nur genial
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old 3 жыл бұрын
I started learning German recently. Beautiful language.
@monk1808
@monk1808 3 жыл бұрын
You did an amazing job on this video, but I disagree with you on a few points: 1. Tyler Durden is not a full Ubermensch (The ‘ubermensch’ and the higher man are the same thing (or at least very close), it’s just that Nietzsche uses ubermensch because it is more poetic), because he is still a hedonist and lacks discipline. Nietzsche’s higher man needs to control himself, he needs to overcome himself. Tyler (it seems to me) is a kind of hedonist, in that pain becomes a kind of pleasure that he loves to indulge. Nietzsche’s higher man overcomes pain and suffering, and takes the good with the bad. I think you should read (if you haven’t already) Nietzsche’s Will To Power notes called ‘The Will to Power as Society and Individual’ and ‘Order of Rank’ (sections in the Will to Power book) because it really helped me to understand Nietzsche’s philosophy because he speaks very clearly (compared to say, Beyond Good and Evil or Thus Spoke Zarathustra). I’ll stop here because I don’t want this to get too long. 2. You forgot to mention ‘amor fati’ or ‘eternal recurrence’. Nietzsche thought that the doctrine of the Eternal Recurrence would be a way to distinguish higher men from the rabble. He conceptualized it as a ‘breeding program’ in a sense. 3. This is more of an opinion thing, but I don’t believe Nietzsche would agree that higher men should completely tear down the system for some ‘greater good’ (the extinction of consumerism). 4. Nietzsche didn’t advocate for Master morality, this is a common misconception. Nietzsche thought that master morality was better than slave morality, but not what we should be aiming for. Nietzsche’s ubermensch goes beyond these two conceptions of morality. In the end, however, these are just minor points. Nietzsche never wanted to create ‘nietzscheans’, instead, he wanted us to overcome him; and I don’t want to sound like a dogmatist, I just thought that some minor details didn’t reflect what Nietzsche thought (which I believe you were trying to do).
@MFJoneser
@MFJoneser 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful addendums. HL Mencken, though morally failed, helps fill out in his works some of your very delicately accurate suggestions. Cheers folks
@yewtube23
@yewtube23 3 жыл бұрын
But aristocratic values are sadomasochistic though, and he doesn't outright deny pleasures of the flesh otherwise he wouldn't promote the Dionysiac.
@monk1808
@monk1808 3 жыл бұрын
@JJ KK Read ‘The Will To Power’ book four ‘Discipline and Breeding’. The way to apply the Eternal Recurrence and Amor Fati to the video is to apply it to the discussion on higher men and the Ubermensch (ex, does Tyler Durden love his fate? Etc.)
@monk1808
@monk1808 3 жыл бұрын
@@yewtube23 Aristocratic values are not sadomasochistic, I don’t know where you got that idea from. Also, Nietzsche never advocated to deny urges (Nietzsche believed these urges would eventually show themselves in some way, whether healthy or unhealthy) but instead to channel them to help you reach some goal, so I didn’t mean that Tyler Durden should deny his urges.
@monk1808
@monk1808 3 жыл бұрын
@JJ KK Also, ‘My Sister and I’ is an apocryphal work (it is a forgery).
@Dan-ny1wx
@Dan-ny1wx Жыл бұрын
Amazing video great detail and level of understanding. Much appreciated 👍🏻
@ramozdev
@ramozdev 8 ай бұрын
I keep coming back to this video. At some point "The suffocating comfort of his Ikea furnished apartment" resonated in my head as I came to the realization that I moved out of my parent's home and furnished my apartment with products from Ikea.
@TheHankerson
@TheHankerson 3 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest movies of all time, absolute brilliance
@AlexGarcia-cr5st
@AlexGarcia-cr5st 3 жыл бұрын
Delete this video. We do not talk about Fight Club.
@pats3714
@pats3714 3 жыл бұрын
Ha!
@malvarezv97
@malvarezv97 3 жыл бұрын
shut up reddit
@rithinlalthilakan6778
@rithinlalthilakan6778 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. they've violated the first and second rule..
@jamesmonto9562
@jamesmonto9562 3 жыл бұрын
You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
@stevehartwell1861
@stevehartwell1861 3 жыл бұрын
What video?
@jcwdenton
@jcwdenton Жыл бұрын
I loved Chuck Palahniuk interview at Joe Rogan podcast, very eye opening, especially when he explained his background.
@bludluva
@bludluva 2 жыл бұрын
This movie went way over my head in 6th grade. Once it went past the basic misery of the main character, followed by meeting Tyler and the initial creation of fight club, it became a bizarre and mildly amusing crack fest. Only now as a grown man can I see how important the message is.
@spacemonkey612
@spacemonkey612 3 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche introduces us the ways of how to become Ubermensch, but he never achieved it himself. He said there were only some people who did it like Napoleon, Alexander and Julius
@royroland3884
@royroland3884 3 жыл бұрын
Tolstoy was biased against Napoleon because he was a 19th century Russian.
@schnoz2372
@schnoz2372 3 жыл бұрын
@@royroland3884 what better perspective is there to criticize and strengthen yourself than the perspective of the enemy?
@ChadVulpes
@ChadVulpes 3 жыл бұрын
@@schnoz2372 That of a person looking at the situation from an objective perspective. Just because(or rather *especially* because) someone is your enemy doesn't mean they'll play fair with you.
@artofthepossible7329
@artofthepossible7329 3 жыл бұрын
And Jesus and Socrates as well I do believe.
@aldrocherres6224
@aldrocherres6224 3 жыл бұрын
Napoleon was. A mason it's like you have support from powerful members of the government
@Corax.S
@Corax.S 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, an interesting and well-written interpretation of the film. I particularly found it interesting as a different perspective because, to me, the movie is showing that both ends of the spectrum of emasculation, the narrator, and hyper-masculinity, Tyler, are just as bad for the individual. A balance needs to be struck that isn't fueled out of fear on either end. Tyler is an imagined idea of what a 'man' should be, as put forth by the culture itself that is being criticized, but he is an extreme and distorted version of it. Rather than giving in to his animal side, Tyler, The Narrator takes control of his own life by taming that false idea of masculinity. Here he completely overcomes another form of slave mentality; hyper-masculinity. Look at Project Mayhem. It doesn't make the members into 'masters of their lives' and instead turns out dumbed-down drones who only follow orders. It leaves Tyler at the top as the 'ubermensch', but it's a false ideal. Tyler just became another owner and created his own system of slaves; forcing all of them to work and think the same. In essence, Tyler has created the 'Socialist nightmare' that so many people are afraid of because of his attitude and philosophy. While Libertarianism is represented by The Narrator's old existence; one that likewise grinds down the masses into faceless drones for the benefit of the few at the top. So The Narrator, in his journey, learns that giving into 'emasculation' makes him into a mindless slave, while also learning that 'hyper-masculinity' leads to you becomingg the one creating and emasculating slaves. On one end, you are allowing yourself to be pacified completely, walked over, and ignored. On the other end, you become a monster and impotently scream out your frustrations through violent acts in vain attempts to convince yourself you're in charge of your existence. Neither side embraces the Ubermensch mentality.
@alainvosselman9960
@alainvosselman9960 2 жыл бұрын
What a relief to read your comment. Shows some independent thinking. A lot of comments are very confirming about what is said in this video. I think it is a warped view by Nietzshe that needs some nuance.
@irenepetroni
@irenepetroni 2 жыл бұрын
exactly, well said man
@mirceazaharia2094
@mirceazaharia2094 2 жыл бұрын
The Overman rises above, and makes peace with the Inner Animal and the Inner Thinker alike, and learns to harness both exactly when they are needed, as much as they are needed, and nothing more. Harmony between Instinct and Intellect. Both are important, neither must dominate completely.
@Corax.S
@Corax.S 2 жыл бұрын
@@mirceazaharia2094 Very eloquently put, my friend.
@MyOrangeString
@MyOrangeString 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! That's the missing piece!! You complete the video so well.
@koan__23
@koan__23 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I'm aware Neitzches had quite an impact on our most recent philosophical history, but never got to look into the subject. Thanks for the effort
@michaeldefeo3030
@michaeldefeo3030 Жыл бұрын
This is worth watching. Enjoyed it thoroughly. You must have some knowledge of history and philosophy to get full value from this video. Loved it!
@dirksharp9876
@dirksharp9876 3 жыл бұрын
Criminally underviewed still. You're incredibly articulate and wise. A good supplement to this video is Julien Rochedy's video on guilt.
@ThatOpinionIsWrong
@ThatOpinionIsWrong 3 жыл бұрын
There are only few videos on the internet that leave you speechless
@inserttext7415
@inserttext7415 Жыл бұрын
how have u only got 21k subs, this is the best content ive seen in 2022 and ive been watching youtube all day every day, honestly great video
@wisefix9256
@wisefix9256 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first video I have seen from this channel. I have seen enough. Subscribed!
@matthewmorin1942
@matthewmorin1942 3 жыл бұрын
How does this have only 8k views??? This is a philosophical masterpiece Edit: Ok KZfaq algorithm starting to work
@declanlogan6253
@declanlogan6253 3 жыл бұрын
I agree we should share this content millions of men need to watch and learn this philosophical info
@ButterBallTheOpossum
@ButterBallTheOpossum 3 жыл бұрын
Because it talks about masculinity in a positive way. If the video was about how masculinity was toxic it would be recommended to everyone
@betacuck3145
@betacuck3145 3 жыл бұрын
181k now
@matthewmorin1942
@matthewmorin1942 3 жыл бұрын
@@betacuck3145 holy fuck
@alexbyard9358
@alexbyard9358 3 жыл бұрын
This film has another critical aspect. At the end, we see that the narrator has become free. However, his followers have not become free because they are still slaves, just with a different master. Moreover, the narrator needs them to enact his vision. That is to say, if everyone were free, life wouldn't work out well. The societies we see today are just the result of the visions of several "free" people, and conflicts often arise when two free people hold differing views. This is how religions started. Jesus was free, Mohammed was free, and unfree people cling to the unique to the death, as we see in the movie.
@hiddentower
@hiddentower 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting angle. That certainly underlines the importance of hierarchies, since most people are not suited to be leaders.
@prod.hxrford3896
@prod.hxrford3896 3 жыл бұрын
very good point
@TheSkinnybiker
@TheSkinnybiker 3 жыл бұрын
Read the book 'The Way Of Men'. Men form gangs to 'protect each other while they sleep'. Men can only be loners in a safe environment. The narrator says men need conflict and men can't be a loners in an unsafe world. They are not slaves but follow an alpha male to keep them safe. Men take what they want. Being a man and being a good man are different.
@alexbyard9358
@alexbyard9358 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkinnybiker Interesting. I think you're definately correct about men not necessarily being slaves to an alpha male that they follow. I would also note that in Fight Club the narrator's followers have gotten to the point where they shout the "first rule of project Mayhem" whenever someone asks about it, so maybe the movie is a bit of an exageration.
@wiswc
@wiswc 3 жыл бұрын
So leaders are free while everyone else is a slave, how do you even come to that conclusion? Leaders have more power which does give them more freedom than the average person but that's about it, those"slaves" could still make their choices for themselves even if it will mean disobedience to the "master". In the end no one is truly free, we're all slaves to something, leaders are only humans in the end and humans were never meant to be truly free
@hankhill3126
@hankhill3126 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video
@Falcon_Serbia
@Falcon_Serbia Жыл бұрын
This was amazing never seen your channel until today but you definitely earned my sub brother, respect from a Serbian American.
@ExileZO
@ExileZO 3 жыл бұрын
This film should be taught to young men in High School..
@boatswain48
@boatswain48 3 жыл бұрын
How a country can teach something that is dangerous for itself ?
@ugly9498
@ugly9498 3 жыл бұрын
@@boatswain48 its necessary, what do you suggest people should teach their own beliefs
@GauravSingh6
@GauravSingh6 2 жыл бұрын
Agree
@johnathandoe6476
@johnathandoe6476 2 жыл бұрын
The public schooling system would bastardize it and pervert its message.
@devanshkhetrapal
@devanshkhetrapal 3 жыл бұрын
This is outrageously underrated.
@orasmith7246
@orasmith7246 3 жыл бұрын
true
@kavallerie1436
@kavallerie1436 2 жыл бұрын
I watched over and over again and every time i watch i understand better.
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