Fight To The Death | British European Airways Flight 548

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Allec Joshua Ibay

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British European Airways Flight 548 was a scheduled passenger flight from London Heathrow to Brussels that crashed near Staines, Middlesex, England, soon after take-off on 18 June 1972, killing all 118 people on board. The accident became known as the Staines air disaster. As of 2021, it remains the deadliest air accident (as opposed to terrorist incidents) in the United Kingdom and was the deadliest air accident involving a Hawker Siddeley Trident. Though two people - both passengers - initially survived, both died at the scene of the crash from their injuries.
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@LeeAirVideos
@LeeAirVideos 2 жыл бұрын
I have to defend Captain Key regarding some of the comments made. Yes, he was old school, a world away from the two young co-pilots, he was a very experienced Captain and known to be by the book and dedicated to his job. I certainly feel that he was under stress that day; having been on an airport standby for most of it, the confrontation with the militant co-pilot in the crew room before his flight, then having a very young and inexperienced co-pilot sat next to him along with the poor weather. Like most accidents it was a combination of events that lead up to it. He was four years away from retirement and no doubt keen to maintain his loyalty to the company. In those days before CRM you never questioned the Captain or queried his actions; there was a culture of fear in some ways; all that changed after Papa India; as did crew medicals. Although Key had a medical and was fit to fly, he never undertook a stressed ECG which could have detected his heart condition and likely grounded him. The overwhelming sound of the stall warning horn going off, the stick shaker and the stick push all happening within seconds must have been too much for Key’s heart and being a good pilot he instinctively grabbed the control column to maintain flight not realising that someone had retracted the droops far too early. It was never determined who moved the droop lever; it could have been the co-pilot or Key himself. The Trident was peculiar in the sense that it had two levers one for the droops and one for the flaps; unlike modern jets that have a single lever for both. It was common to mistake the two and some close calls did occur on previous flights. After the accident a bulk was fitted to the droop lever to make if physically impossible to move it below 6,000 feet or 225 knots. If you want to hear the sound of a stall warning horn in a Trident; look up Trident three G-AWZI on KZfaq for a demonstration and also the stick shake. You may be able to appreciate how overwhelming it can be. Next year 2022 will be 50 years since the accident and under the 50 year rule more documentation will be released.
@rhythmisadancer8394
@rhythmisadancer8394 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know there was a 50yr rule?
@cryptohunt2552
@cryptohunt2552 2 жыл бұрын
A very good analysis.
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg 2 жыл бұрын
@@rhythmisadancer8394 I thought that such rules were conveniences for covering up politicians' shortcomings.
@johnb8956
@johnb8956 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I’m not the only one to think that. Blaming the captain was a total cop out in my opinion, when in reality it was the fault of pretty much everyone except him
@paklos99
@paklos99 2 жыл бұрын
That sound is terrifying! Thank God pilot cabins are locked and closed off is all I can say..passengers would never want to hear imminent crash warnings like that.
@r12004rewy
@r12004rewy 2 жыл бұрын
Still remember coming back from holiday with my parents at 10 years of age and seeing the wreckage of the Trident in the field adjacent to the road.
@colinprice712
@colinprice712 2 жыл бұрын
I was just down the road at Laleham and returned to Egham that day. It still amazes me just how close the crash site was to both the A30 and the housing estate.
@cyprusgrump
@cyprusgrump 2 жыл бұрын
@@colinprice712 I remember it so well... I was 12 at the time and lived in Stanwell... I was returning from Cobham and remember the roads being so jammed with 'sightseers' that the junction at 'The Bulldog' became completely logjammed and ambulances from Ashford hospital couldn't get through... It is remarkable to see the crash site and realise how much worse the disaster could have been if it had crashed over Staines...
@AutoMaverickPete
@AutoMaverickPete 10 ай бұрын
​@colinprice712 my aunt lived down the road in her cottage and heard the whole thing out her backwards as she was hanging her washing out, she remembered it like s bomb going off during the war, she made tea for dome of the police who came to nearby places to ask if they see or heard anything. 😢
@michael954
@michael954 8 ай бұрын
For me it was especially tragic the plain missed our car by 70 or 80 feet almost hitting the street lamps he banked the plain to the left slightly brushing it across the top of the trees to brake its speed so the captain was in control at the time he did contrary to what people say try to land that plain sadly my teacher and my crossing lady miss wheeler lost their lives onboard that aircraft we felt the loss at school so much
@williameggleton414
@williameggleton414 2 ай бұрын
@@cyprusgrump Flight 548 actually missed the town of Staines by just 50 yards. Had it flown that further, the crash site would be in the center of town with shops and houses....
@paula200
@paula200 2 жыл бұрын
The Captain was ex-RAF and very senior to the other crew members. He had a reputation of being a bully and it was the norm at the time, not to question the actions of a senior officer, much like in the armed forces. I saw the glow from this accident as a kid, from my bedroom window. I still remember it vividly
@747heavyboeing3
@747heavyboeing3 2 жыл бұрын
Senior Captain with junior officers who wanted to strike. He didn't. Typical as this guy paid his dues . He lost control of the cockpit which caused the crash.
@747heavyboeing3
@747heavyboeing3 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't a bully. Just old school.
@paula200
@paula200 2 жыл бұрын
@@747heavyboeing3 Well, that's an opinion and you are entitled to it. My comment is based upon many documentaries that I have watched over the years, as well as opinions from airport workers. Also, my sister used to work for BEA at Heathrow and I worked fir it's later incarnation.
@spanishpeaches2930
@spanishpeaches2930 2 жыл бұрын
Glow? The aircraft never exploded in a fireball. It just pancaked the ground and oddly did not go up in flames . Funny how you remember something which never happened. I can still recall its callsign as Papa-India.
@richardwest3479
@richardwest3479 2 жыл бұрын
Very strange how the captain of many years experience and good record was suddenly made out to be a "bully" and "barking orders" at the two 2nd officers who only wanted " better working conditions" but according to the graffiti (that the investigators incredibly failed to disover who was responsible for) and Flavell's half of the argument WHO were the real bullies? and WHO REALLY caused the accident? This was in the days of "The angry Silence" with blatant employee intimidation by militant union members at companies like BEA... to this day unions still betray the workers...very sad!
@Underappreciatedclassics
@Underappreciatedclassics 2 жыл бұрын
Bonechilling. Everything that could go wrong in this Case did, pilot anger, crew mismanagement, failure of Health of a crewman, and poor mechanical design. Truly dreadful. Great video as always allec, rip to all involved!
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, sadly.😪
@cryptohunt2552
@cryptohunt2552 2 жыл бұрын
Shame. The Trident was quite an advanced aircraft a record breaker for its time.
@eddiechenchen9081
@eddiechenchen9081 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the UK has the best of everything?
@Woodgate425
@Woodgate425 2 жыл бұрын
I was 14 at the time and remember this cash happening. A few of us were on our bikes near the crash and hot footed over to the site. I can see the aircraft to this day having just gone down, it was horrific. The emergency services took their time in getting there as they were given the wrong location. Apparently they were beginning to think that it was a false alarm because they could find the crash site. Eventually they did of course (communication wasn’t brilliant in those days) and we, and many others who got there first were ushered away pretty quickly. A sight I’ll never forget.
@eddiechenchen9081
@eddiechenchen9081 2 жыл бұрын
......they could NOT find the site!
@joepullen1050
@joepullen1050 2 жыл бұрын
A work friend of mine, his school friend was photographer for Heathrow at the time, he had to go to take pictures of the crash and he was let through the line to go inside remains of the plane, although it was reported all dead on impact two survivors taken to hospital, this account was not true, on entering the fuselage sections that were sheeted off, he was let in by medics, he said the people strapped in still were moaning groaning, still alive, the medics said don't touch them as there had morphine and we're dieing, sorry but that's what his account was , the medical said there bodies were shattered
@Woodgate425
@Woodgate425 2 жыл бұрын
Gosh how awful. I guess to save family anguished they said all were dead. How sad.
@tightcamper
@tightcamper 2 жыл бұрын
@@joepullen1050 So a work friends, school friend was the photographer. Sounds like hearsay to me.
@JamesJones-yj8ku
@JamesJones-yj8ku Жыл бұрын
@@tightcamper your a troll. They may be talking out their a$$, but we know you are. Actually, your a troublemaker that gets your kicks by sabotaging conversation between grown ups. Go away.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry this was a crew with “bad mojo” among them. No one deserves to die like this. Allec, you are the ONLY Aviation channel that explains in such detail that even I, a non-Aviator, can understand. Thank you for that.
@MrFloppy131
@MrFloppy131 2 жыл бұрын
But gets the names of the Airlines wrong
@AllecJoshuaIbay
@AllecJoshuaIbay 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrFloppy131 no one is perfect.
@kirilmihaylov1934
@kirilmihaylov1934 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrFloppy131 which ones
@kirilmihaylov1934
@kirilmihaylov1934 2 жыл бұрын
@@AllecJoshuaIbay you should be hf you wanna be pilot . Otherwise that in the video happens
@paulcooper8818
@paulcooper8818 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirilmihaylov1934 Looks like you are not a pilot then.
@groovydonkey
@groovydonkey 2 жыл бұрын
I live near Heathrow and I use to walk past the area where the plane crashed, this was about 30 years ago, but there was a real eerie quietness walking past that area and I had that feeling I was being watched. I only found out where it actually crashed a few years after walking past this area. Fascinating video, many thanks.
@aac7183
@aac7183 2 жыл бұрын
It went into the Staines Gravelpits did it not ?
@groovydonkey
@groovydonkey 2 жыл бұрын
@@aac7183 I don't understand what you are trying to put across
@aac7183
@aac7183 2 жыл бұрын
@@groovydonkey I remember it being reported that the aircraft crashed into the gravel pits at Staines , since you said you lived near there I assumed you could perhaps confirm or refute this
@groovydonkey
@groovydonkey 2 жыл бұрын
@@aac7183 No by what I remember it was near a wooded are off Heathrow, Stains and the surrounding areas are all located and come under two Boroughs, Hillingdon and Spelthorne, which interconnected with Heathrow Airport. By what I believe and have read about the flight, it bellyflopped into an area, which I believe was a wooded area and still is as far as I know.
@aac7183
@aac7183 2 жыл бұрын
@@groovydonkey Then the gravel pits detail must be something I have misheard . The incident , I have since looked it up , was also known as The Staines Air Disaster . Thank you for your polite answer
@RadioactiveSherbet
@RadioactiveSherbet 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the idea of that noise abatement procedure. Pilots need to be focused on safely controlling the plane. Making them worry about something superfluous to safety going on their record, especially during takeoffs and landings, is frankly ridiculous.
@gort8203
@gort8203 2 жыл бұрын
The noise abatement procedure was completely safe as long as the pilot maintained focus on flying the airplane. For whatever reason Captain Key acted like an unfocused random input generator, and his copilot appears to have been spectating with folded hands instead of assisting.
@Primus54
@Primus54 2 жыл бұрын
Back during this time, many airports located in high population areas were forced into noise abatement procedures after takeoff by the local municipal jurisdictions due to citizen complaints. To this day, older aircraft with legacy engines are still subject to these restrictions. Fortunately, latest generation engines are much quieter and don’t have to power down as much or at all.
@waffle911
@waffle911 2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind the low-bypass turbojet engines of the time (and still used in many military planes today) were much, much louder than today's high-bypass turbofans. The noise they make at high throttle is pretty intolerable to people on the ground, which is a concern for airports in high-population areas.
@kingssuck06
@kingssuck06 2 жыл бұрын
@@Primus54 They still have noise abatement at SNA. Trust me it’s still around
@Primus54
@Primus54 2 жыл бұрын
@@kingssuck06 I’m sure many airports still have decibel limits, but I believe modern engines can achieve those limits at a higher thrust percent than legacy engines, therefore less chance of hanging too close to stall speeds.
@dsacton
@dsacton 2 жыл бұрын
Allec, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to you for all of the effort you spend making these videos. With out exception, I have found each one to be well made, and makes me feel like I am in the cockpit. Great work!
@pokebois8559
@pokebois8559 2 жыл бұрын
This guy has been putting out nonstop quality content. Not just the animations (that he does and edits himself) but in the information and putting out every single detail to know about each incident. It’s great. I’ve said a few times now that he deserves way more subs. I try to share around cause these videos are awesome
@judymotto9851
@judymotto9851 2 жыл бұрын
@@pokebois8559 👍 agree with you Jonathan 💯
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is much better, no useless information like the pilot's name and the last time he farted. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/br6qe6qpqtK2n3U.html
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK with a nane like burt you must have caught hell as a kid, and obviously didn't get enough attention from mommy.
@thhseeking
@thhseeking 2 жыл бұрын
Back at the end of May, I had a heart attack resulting in a quadruple bypass. It was painful but I was still functioning, setting up a glass of aspirin, packing a bag, calling for an ambulance, and even going to the loo. If captain Key was having a heart attack, he was possibly functioning, but unable to make normal radio conversation. The other cockpit crew would probably not know that he was having a heart attack, and thought that his terseness was due to anger, not pain. He really should have said something. Without a CVR it's impossible to know what conversations did take place.
@truelightningstriker5803
@truelightningstriker5803 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you are doing better.
@RoadCone411
@RoadCone411 2 жыл бұрын
Everyday, thousands of motorists drive the section of the A30 in Staines past this crash site, most having no idea that England's worst plane crash took place just a hundred yards off the roadway (Pan Am 103 was Britain's worst but that wasn't in England.) When this Trident crashed, it had very little forward speed and sort of pancaked down on the field, and was only about two minutes into its flight from Heathrow. Hundreds of local people came out to see the wreck, in some cases impeding first responders from getting to the site. This crash highlighted the importance of cockpit resource management, among other things, and for junior pilots being able to challenge senior pilots in a non-hostile environment. We'll never know exactly what was going on in the cockpit of BEA 548 but what is known is that the three men up front were flying a perfectly good airplane...which makes this all the more tragic.
@aflacduckquack
@aflacduckquack 2 жыл бұрын
The captain was stressed and may have had a heart attack or something close. Sad that we'll never know for sure. Shows why you have to keep personal disputes out of the cockpit at all times. So sad. Nice video, Allec-
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, indeed.
@747heavyboeing3
@747heavyboeing3 2 жыл бұрын
All the comments from non Captains.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
@@747heavyboeing3 and?
@keithhoss4990
@keithhoss4990 2 жыл бұрын
@@badmonkey2222 It’s easy to say not so easy to put into practice
@siddiqueyd1
@siddiqueyd1 2 жыл бұрын
He even had a heart attack at the window!
@stevebeal73
@stevebeal73 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this very well from the time. At the very hour of this flight, I was flying in a De Haviland Comet from Tangiers to London Gatwick. There was much talk at the time as to whether the current Noise Abatement Climb procedures were correct.
@ianjameshodges2999
@ianjameshodges2999 2 жыл бұрын
I guess that you flew on a Dan Air Comet 4 into Gatwick Steve.. I worked at Gatwick for 31 years and also remember the Trident GARPI crash very well.. Sad like all air crashes.. Dan Air Flt..DA1008 a Boeing 727-100 GBDAN from.Manchester to Tenerife crashed into a mountain Side on route to Los Rodeos airport TFN. I hope that Alec will do a report on this crash sometime too as it seems to be forgotten being at the time of the world's most awful crash of two B747 a/c at the same airport , Los Rodeos Tenerife North. .The Dan Air crash seems to have been overshadowed by the Pan Am / KLM crash.. Also Alec might report on another Dan Air accident that occurred in the 80's I believe from Manchester to Gerona involving a Comet 4 GAPDN ... Both of these accidents sadly remembered by many.. Thank you Alec..
@timmorodgers4271
@timmorodgers4271 2 жыл бұрын
It was a miracle nobody on the ground was killed, the Trident hit a small field surrounded by houses, I think even overhead cables running across the field were untouched.
@funofflying15
@funofflying15 2 жыл бұрын
In 1972, I was 15 years old and lived not far from where this sad event took place and still remember seeing the incident on TV news! I also used to cycle many times to Heathrow Airport from my house around that time, to go plane spotting for the day with my mate. Consequently, we used to see many planes taking off from the same runway that this Trident did i.e. Runway 27R. RIP to all!
@davidjma7226
@davidjma7226 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this crash. Every passenger was found just sitting in their seats, dead. RIP
@1harryrobert
@1harryrobert 2 жыл бұрын
David: How did they die?
@escapetheratracenow9883
@escapetheratracenow9883 2 жыл бұрын
@@1harryrobert Impact injuries, usually broken necks.
@davidjma7226
@davidjma7226 2 жыл бұрын
@@1harryrobert The plane belly flopped onto the ground. As they were strapped in their spinal column was pushed into their brain and some broke their necks at the same time.
@tomservo56954
@tomservo56954 Жыл бұрын
@@davidjma7226 I though being buckled in helped you survive an accident.
@florindobrica1228
@florindobrica1228 10 ай бұрын
@@tomservo56954 the plane literally slammed into the ground. There was almost no chance flr survival either way. The seatbelt did nothing.
@descurtis1740
@descurtis1740 2 жыл бұрын
It says near Staines. In fact it was in Staines by the A30 main road near what was the Crooked Billet Public House, also when my brother inlaw was a fireman it was his first shout. And my late neibour was one of the first nurses on the seen, and never flew again after that.
@stuartrichardson5699
@stuartrichardson5699 2 жыл бұрын
Waters Road Recreation Ground , Staines ,
@koreainsincere
@koreainsincere 2 жыл бұрын
One of those early accidents where a CVR would have been so useful. The UK Channel 4 documentary series from the 90s "Black Box" covers this incident really well. A very good video, thank you.
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 2 жыл бұрын
I have that episode on dvd and yes it is very informative.
@turricanedtc3764
@turricanedtc3764 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The episode has two contemporaries of the young junior officers (by then senior BA Captains) demonstrating what the crew would have been faced with in a Trident simulator - it was very easy to see how overwhelming the audible and visual warnings would have been. Crucially, both of them point out that rostering two such junior airmen alongside a senior captain as strict as Captain Key would no longer be considered acceptable.
@stephenrickwood909
@stephenrickwood909 2 жыл бұрын
This was the accident that prompted the CAA in the UK to mandate CVRs in transport category aircraft capable of carrying more than a certain number of pasenges or exceeding a given MTOW. At the time it was regarded by crews as a management "spy in the cockpit" but since its introduction it's helped unravel the intricacies of many an accident.
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephenrickwood909 It was necessary by all means.
@111doomer
@111doomer 2 жыл бұрын
I have the book from the series, and it's the reason why I don't fly so much anymore, when I do fly I try to get a seat towards the tail, why I always check where the emergency exits are and keep my seat belt on all the time, and why T subscribe to this channel. Flying is comparatively very safe, but there's no need not to be an educated passenger. This accident, JAL123, the Valujet everglades crash, United 232, American 191and the Tenerife disaster all stick in the mind. Still love DC 10s though.
@jl3322
@jl3322 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always-I enjoy when you are able to add photos of the crew as we get a lil more “insider” stuff. Thanks again for your hard work and dedication. Hope your aviation career is going well!
@suzieb8366
@suzieb8366 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Allec, one I didnt know much about until now...thanks again, always worthy of a thumbs up.
@matthiashaenni
@matthiashaenni 2 жыл бұрын
I've read a lot about this tragic crash. An absolute disaster in every way. Team spirit and teamwork are essential in the cockpit. Good video allec as always.
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
He got his information a TV show
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK nice conspiracy, my friend.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosephStalin-yk2hd nevermind the loser, he's trolling all over this thread long night in the basement I suspect, I don't think his mother loves him very much especially bestowing him with a name like Burt.....
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@badmonkey2222 yeah your right. He’s most likely, wasting his life about some aviation crash investigation channel, how embarrassing, For Burt the turd.
@judymotto9851
@judymotto9851 2 жыл бұрын
Allec always rolling up on us every Thursday night🌙 like the boss he is with always the best work ! We do appreciate you alot Allec ...and hope flight school is going well for you..you deserve the best in life sincerely!❤💯
@Schrottkralle
@Schrottkralle 2 жыл бұрын
Fatal mixture of human stress, both mentally and physically, inexperience and poor technical design. Under such condition, if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. R.I.P.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, yes.
@josephconnor2310
@josephconnor2310 2 жыл бұрын
This was the most informative video I have seen about this sad crash. Thank you for posting.
@emmal1138
@emmal1138 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the UK, always watching plane crash simulations and yet I'd never heard of this! So sad, brilliant video as always though!
@rosa4ka
@rosa4ka 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Allec for your remarkable video, but also it’s sad to see plane ✈️ crash lost lives,
@GRosa250
@GRosa250 2 жыл бұрын
I can definitely see the two “kids” in the cockpit being intimidated by the captain. I’m retired law enforcement and I was 22 when I got hired. I would’ve never dreamed of standing up to a senior officer, let alone an officer with rank. Most of them were Vietnam Vets and weren’t about to take any crap from a rookie.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
I can remember such Authoritarian Old Chieftains very well, too. It was another time and another generation. But flying an airplane is teamwork - especially when something goes wrong.
@georgeconway4360
@georgeconway4360 2 жыл бұрын
I suggest you read about operation Chastise in WW2. The Commander of the 617 Squadron flying the raid was age 24. Hardly children!
@julosx
@julosx 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Key was a former RAF pilot during WW2. Now that's what I call a vet.
@dfuher968
@dfuher968 2 жыл бұрын
Well, we should also remember, that this was a time, b4 there was anything called CRM. And from the graffiti found in the remains of the cockpit, looks like the younger officers were too busy behaving like schoolboys to actually do their jobs. I am by no means holding the captain blameless, but theres plenty of blame to go around, and I always find it appalling, when 1 person is dragged out as a scapegoat. Its so dishonest, not just by the known facts of this case, but in general, as there is never just 1 reason for an accident, unless somebody deliberately crashes the plane, which was not the case here.
@joepullen1050
@joepullen1050 2 жыл бұрын
This was UK not usa
@RA76951
@RA76951 2 жыл бұрын
The crash of Trident 1C G-ARPI had a huge impact on UK aviation. To this day at Heathrow it is still a talking point that raises it's head every so often.....
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Are you the Tony P that flies at BA?
@tvideo1189
@tvideo1189 2 жыл бұрын
Pure incompetence. The airplane tried to save them multiple times and yet apparently with a pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer and extra jump seat pilot, NOT ONE could figure out the reason for the stall and, indeed, just sat there while INCORRECT FLIGHT CONTROL INPUTS were shoved in by the pilot. Insane.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@hawkeye681
@hawkeye681 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent documentary on this crash came out around 1989. Like Alec here, it explained the toxic pilot group dynamics going on at BEA at that time. Capt Key was a former WWII RAF bomber pilot who’s seniority most likely formed his opinions against the younger pilot group seeking better working conditions. The doc I watched did mention that Capt Keys demeanor on that flight may have had him barking out orders to two highly inexperienced 2nd officers who dared not cross him. Such a sad and extremely unfortunate confluence of events that brought down this jet.
@747heavyboeing3
@747heavyboeing3 2 жыл бұрын
Younger pilots that hadn't paid their dues.
@richardwest3479
@richardwest3479 2 жыл бұрын
Very strange how the captain of many years experience and good record was suddenly made out to be a "bully" and "barking orders" at the two 2nd officers who only wanted " better working conditions" but according to the graffiti (that the investigators incredibly failed to disover who was responsible for) and Flavell's half of the argument WHO were the real bullies? and WHO REALLY caused the accident? This was in the days of "The angry Silence" with blatant employee intimidation by militant union members at companies like BEA... to this day unions still betray the workers...very sad!
@duanehorton4680
@duanehorton4680 2 жыл бұрын
Whose, not who's.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
The age of the first and second officer astonishes me. Not that young pilots are inherently bad, but the lack of experience would suggest to me that strong backup is prudent. Two relative novices in the cockpit? I'd have wanted to switch one out for someone with more experience.
@leeinehopkins1799
@leeinehopkins1799 2 жыл бұрын
I also picked up on that. Was there really 22 year old co pilots around back in the early 70’s? The saying, if you are good enough, you are old enough springs to mind, but 22 years seems quite young to me…..Still, great video with a very detailed explanation highlighting the events leading up to this tragedy….
@rrknl5187
@rrknl5187 2 жыл бұрын
It was very common back then.
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 жыл бұрын
@@rrknl5187 Still is now, I know Captains in their twenties and one F-18 pilot
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
@@DropdudeJohn there are very very very few captains in their 20s flying commercial airlines.
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 жыл бұрын
@@badmonkey2222 I personally know three, with the UK having many in house airline training schemes it really isn't that unusual to encounter captains in their twenties
@spanishpeaches2930
@spanishpeaches2930 2 жыл бұрын
I was about 10 when this happened and remember it well. The broken wreckage photos were all over the newspapers. It's amazing that no one seemed to see it crash.
@michael954
@michael954 8 ай бұрын
i did it missed our car by 70 or 80 feet
@SMaamri78
@SMaamri78 2 жыл бұрын
I always think of the passengers and how they are sitting there just wanting to get from point A to point B and not knowing they are moments away from death ...
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@nikoscosmos
@nikoscosmos 2 жыл бұрын
My friend's Father was on this flight. I find the majority of comments made by mostly ignorant keyboard warriors pretty distasteful. Even the opening shot depicts a Trident 2 not the correct type.
@dhss333
@dhss333 2 жыл бұрын
A former fellow-worker on the railways on the Slough Reading stretch had witnessed this and confessed he still "wasnt the better of it", when he told me 2 years later.
@dianericciardistewart2224
@dianericciardistewart2224 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. That was interesting! Nice work, Allec!! 💕✈💕✈💕✈
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is much better, no useless information like the pilot's name and the last time he farted. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/br6qe6qpqtK2n3U.html
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK sorry, but no
@pomerau
@pomerau 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't just a series of unusual aviation errors or unfortunate coincidences that downed this plane and caused an awful tragedy - but a medical condition compounded by a pre flight emotional outburst leading to a sour cockpit and almost unavoidable mental distress withheld from the other inexperienced crew. This made me see this tragedy more clearly than ever before: and I now feel enormous sympathy for EVERYONE on board. I meant to walk to the site in recent years, and am only less than 2 miles away this evening. Incidentally, I'm still flummoxed they were in the air a considerable time and yet only made it to Staines - a stones throw away.
@DiecastPowderCoating
@DiecastPowderCoating 2 жыл бұрын
I don't normally comment on your videos, but they are of exceptional quality and thank you. I remember the Staines crash very well. I was 5 and my Mum was in a local hospital at the time, in Staines. I remember saying to my dad, why was there so many emergency vehicles driving past. It was on the news when we got home. Take care, Jeff
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is much better, no useless information like the pilot's name and the last time he farted. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/br6qe6qpqtK2n3U.html
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK sorry, but no
@karenmacintosh7138
@karenmacintosh7138 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Allec. Superb as usual. Flying tomorrow. Have no idea why I am watching this but at least it is a Qantas 737. Should be OK.
@randalparks9648
@randalparks9648 2 жыл бұрын
Allec: I just want to let you know that your videos' are excellent. My only complaint against them is that the situations you depict actually happened, and in far to many cases innocent lives were lost (obviously NOT your fault!). You do good work! Keep it up!
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR 2 жыл бұрын
Very well done and while I still wish you’d make the words easier to read some times I appreciate your attention to detail and the accurate explanation of events very well done sir👍🏻👌🏻💯
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is much better, no useless information like the pilot's name and the last time he farted. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/br6qe6qpqtK2n3U.html
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK this channel is better than that useless one, from your link.
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosephStalin-yk2hd How?
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK get lost burt, didn't your mother teach you any manners, going onto somebody else's channel trying to promote somebody else's crappy channel, you're all over this thread with that crap get lost, have some respect, if you don't like it get out....
@andyml1
@andyml1 2 жыл бұрын
A terrible day indeed….I believe the positioning crew member was found stretched out across the controls trying to intervene but too late….
@de_sh0t114
@de_sh0t114 2 жыл бұрын
Great video like always love the og sim gives me lots of nostalgia
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
og? sim?
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK og? sim? 🤣
@michaelbailey1578
@michaelbailey1578 2 жыл бұрын
They never throttled up after their noise abatement routine did they? If not the first officer should have done it, they were doomed without enough thrust, but when cleared to climb to 6,000 feet he throttled back. That makes no sense whatever so it's not all on the beleaguered captain. It's sad. I'm surprised the throttle settings weren't even discussed.
@neillp3827
@neillp3827 2 жыл бұрын
Captain key was screaming in there at them and making them uncomfortable. But keys heart was about to explode.and it fell out in the terminal. He was living on the blood in his head. And they had a brain dead in the jump seat (dead head) but no leg mentals
@Primus54
@Primus54 2 жыл бұрын
@@neillp3827 Huh? Were you there?
@neillp3827
@neillp3827 2 жыл бұрын
@@Primus54 yes, key nearly exploded before the crash. He was shouting at a guy in the canteen I.was admin for bea. Leg mental can't fly planes. Mrs key cooked everything in lard. After the plane crash they found keys moustache on its own. It had come off in the crash and his wife put it on the mantle piece
@buckfaststradler4629
@buckfaststradler4629 2 жыл бұрын
@@neillp3827 What's a leg mental ? I like the idea of the memorial moustache BTW..
@neillp3827
@neillp3827 2 жыл бұрын
@@buckfaststradler4629 like head mental but on the legs
@Hatsunari_Kamado
@Hatsunari_Kamado 2 жыл бұрын
When drive an airplane, there's a lot of things need to keep: concentration and anger management. Here, the crew failed both of it.
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 Жыл бұрын
fly*
@StevenBanks123
@StevenBanks123 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible. Did neither of the other pilots look at the airspeed and throttle settings?
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Once into a crisis, "tunnel vision" on the perceived casualty is very common. It takes deep training to reliably overcome the tendency - not something I'd expect the two VERY young crew to have, and which an already-compromised captain was unlikely to have, at that point, either. Add in disrupted training, poor crew cohesion, and poor ergonomic design, and yeah, this is almost inevitable.
@HitechProductions
@HitechProductions 2 жыл бұрын
@@lairdcummings9092 It is odd thou, I would think that the ingrained response to a stall is to push the nose down and increase the throttles to full. But, I'm not a pilot, I just play one on the internet. 😉
@johnpollard4158
@johnpollard4158 2 жыл бұрын
@@HitechProductions maybe they didn't want a naughty mark on their record for making too much noise?
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 2 жыл бұрын
The throttle isn’t relevant.
@kdrapertrucker
@kdrapertrucker 2 жыл бұрын
@@HitechProductions you'd think. Throttles forward, yoke forward to break a stall. Even at low altitude. Pilot incapacity due to health crisis is one thing, but the Copilot lapse of action is a real head scratcher. You can find a new job, but you only get one life. Unless the Hindus are right about reincarnation of course.
@billdavies6463
@billdavies6463 2 жыл бұрын
I was walking to a 'blind date' at the far end of Egham when the crash happened. The date never happened. At the roundabout at the bottom of Egham hill a stream of traffic wa travelling towards Staines. I was surprised to see how many mothers were taking the children to rubberneck as the accident. The increased traffic was one reason for delays in ambulances reaching the crash site. It was just after five in the evening, rush hour, and in any case all roads around Heathrow were often congested. The M25 was supposed to improve this. There was no emergency helicopter at Heathrow in those days. A work colleague had a private ambulance, when he got there the passengers looked normal except for blood from noses and ears, all dead, except for, he said, one or two including a baby or small child. But none could be got to Ashford hospital. It was said that the pilots deliberately placed the plane into the field; literally seconds later it would have hit residential houses, but I doubt this as the plane was stalled and probably could not manouvre.
@Josh-lz9ys
@Josh-lz9ys 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Bill, I am currently doing a project on the Staines Air Disaster and I have been searching through so many recollections from people who witnessed this incident in order to assist in my work. Your narrative is extremely interesting and I would like to include it in my work. I would like to ask if this would be okay with you and whether you had any more memories of that day which you would be happy to share? Thank You!
@rickrickard2788
@rickrickard2788 2 жыл бұрын
On a side note here? Great job with the video Allec. You're a busy man now I'm betting- your video quality hasn't changed- top notch- My rant was for the scenario presented, and in no way reflects on anything you did- just to clarify, lol.
@black5f
@black5f Жыл бұрын
BAE Trident was a pretty unique air craft. Very fast but short range (Mach 0.9?) No fatalities through failure of the aircraft. Named Trident because it had triple redundancy in the hydraulic systems.
@maxtornogood
@maxtornogood 2 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine what a CVR would have picked up, not a healthy work relationship at all & a tragic ending!
@1rem1Art
@1rem1Art 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@baraxor
@baraxor 2 жыл бұрын
Was the fear of failing noise abatement a reason for not adding more power as the plane went into stall?
@christianmaas8934
@christianmaas8934 2 жыл бұрын
It was a perfect storm of environmental, social and physical stressors. The goal of every airline should be to maintain a sterile flight deck, everything else, including maintenance and training, follows.
@AnalogueInTheUK
@AnalogueInTheUK 2 жыл бұрын
This aircraft was renowned for the noise on take-off. As airports in the UK grew in size, there was increasing pressure on them to do something about noise pollution as local inhabitants were starting to gain a collective voice. If they failed to throttle back after 90 secs, the airline would subsequently receive a fine, I believe. Often the engineer timed it to the second with a stopwatch in order to maximise airspeed/altitude due to the relative poor power output on this aircraft.
@waffle911
@waffle911 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect that was merely the reason the aircraft wasn't at an appropriate droop-flaps-up climbing speed sooner, spelling doom for the craft when the droop flaps were retracted by mistake.
@Neal_Schier
@Neal_Schier 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnalogueInTheUK Exactly. This aircraft had the power output of a hair dryer (yes, I exaggerate...but not by much) and they used all the thrust they could for as long as they could. Thanks for reminding us of the context at that time.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
@@Neal_Schier and those old Legacy engines were loud as fk...
@rubenlottering9059
@rubenlottering9059 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Alec. Thank you so much for the video. I love your video's. They are really insightful. May I please ask you to make a video about Hansie Cronje's plane crash of 2002 in George, South Africa. I would love to see an animation of it. Thank you so much and keep posting 🙂
@timsmith5980
@timsmith5980 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video Alec! I remember seeing the crash pics on the front pages of newspapers! I have flown on 2 Tridents (BEA & Channel Airways) a very fast and excellent plane apart from being rather small! I believe a Test crew stalled one in Norfolk UK and lost their lives while investigating the stall thresholds!
@stuartrichardson5699
@stuartrichardson5699 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting never heard of that there were a couple of near misses with a deep stall with the trident
@EricIrl
@EricIrl 2 жыл бұрын
@@stuartrichardson5699 G-ARPY was lost in the test accident. G-ARPI was the Trident that crashed at Staines. Both were Trident 1Cs. The simulation depicts a Trident 2E G-AVFF. The Trident 2E had a number of changes compared to the 1C. It had more powerful engines and it had proper leading edge slats (as can be seen in the simulation),. The 1C had simpler hinged leading edges to the wings, known as "droops".
@laxrofoxxo6206
@laxrofoxxo6206 2 жыл бұрын
Wow... the fact that 2 people initially survived this crash.
@onepairofhands
@onepairofhands 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this accident - and i remember the distinctive noise on take off a trident made, let alone the smoke. RIP all
@francishuddy9462
@francishuddy9462 Жыл бұрын
I was 5 years of age, back in 1972, and we had just moved to Sunningdale, Berkshire, by the A30. We used to drive to my grandparents' house in Harrow, and I remember passing the crash site, in Staines, by the reservoir. That would have been a few days after the tragedy.
@doughboysnerdly2745
@doughboysnerdly2745 2 жыл бұрын
one of the best eps in a while
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
eps?
@animegeek2488
@animegeek2488 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK The show called Mayday made an episode about this accident.
@oreoornithomimus2454
@oreoornithomimus2454 2 жыл бұрын
@@animegeek2488 Speaking of mayday how do I watch the episodes, is on Netflix or free on KZfaq
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
@@animegeek2488 That is where he steals his information for his videos.
@doughboysnerdly2745
@doughboysnerdly2745 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK eps stands for episodes. you gotta look that up on your own bro, i cant hold your hand and neither can the rest of the world
@pops2728
@pops2728 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this accident. I think there were a lot of rubberneckers who drove out to the site. I don't think the plane caught fire. After the emergency services turned up some of the leaking fuel ignited and caused a lot of panic to the sightseers. There was an inquiry into that. I think it was over an hour after the crash! Also there were questions asked about a can of aerosol found in the cockpit.
@billyponsonby
@billyponsonby 2 жыл бұрын
Before CRM and with a steep cockpit gradient. Also significant to a deep stall is the Trident’s T tail in the wing’s shadow during high pitch up.
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
crm?
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK crm? 🤣
@royshashibrock3990
@royshashibrock3990 Жыл бұрын
Most of the other issues have been addressed in the comments, but I would just like to add that I am glad investigators attempted to ascertain who scribbled hateful graffiti on the aircraft tables. This childish and distracting behavior has NO place among members of a flight crew, and the guilty party should be investigated and disciplined. There are proper channels through which crew members can voice their concerns. The ONLY concern of ALL crew members once having boarded the aircraft MUST be safe execution of the flight...innocent souls are depending on it. The graffiti proves that the vengeful attitude of one of the crew members was indeed coming on board the aircraft with him. RIP to all who perished. Excellent video by Allec, as always.
@kowalityjesus
@kowalityjesus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another interesting, dramatic, and historically prescient video Allec! You're the best!
@huntera123
@huntera123 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, but so senseless and tragic. So how is flight school going?
@flyingtigerline
@flyingtigerline 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@markwheeler202
@markwheeler202 2 жыл бұрын
How does an experienced pilot (or even in inexperienced one) pull back on the stick when warned of an impending stall?
@pieseldatches
@pieseldatches 2 жыл бұрын
The captain had a heart attack while the plane was crashing hence he wasn't able to act properly.
@paulcooper8818
@paulcooper8818 2 жыл бұрын
Without the CVR do we really know who was flying the plane when it got in trouble? I wonder about the technical issue on the runway as well.
@markwheeler202
@markwheeler202 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulcooper8818 Complete speculation: Did the big argument re-ignite at the end of the runway? As you said, without CVR we'll never know.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulcooper8818 I was about to say the same thing, what was the technical issue? Or was it the captain continuing to chew someone out? Will never know with no CVR.
@michaelevans205
@michaelevans205 2 жыл бұрын
Apart from the issues surrounding Captain Key's health there was a lack of trust in the stall warning system due to a couple of false alarms in previous years; it was not unknown for BEA crews to disable the equipment because they believed it to be unreliable. Captain Key may well have thought that the warnings on this occasion were spurious. It's a very complex story but broadly, BEA was far from an efficient airline at the time and it's not too difficult to find accounts of bad practice within the organisation if you search..........up to the reader as to whether they believe it, of course.
@matmcd
@matmcd 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Allec, you should check out VASP flight 375, a crazy suicidal mission attempt that happened here in Brasil in the 80s. The captain did a barrel roll and a spin dive with a 737 (both never attempted before with that kind of aircraft) trying to knockout the hijacker.
@aerlial360
@aerlial360 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Alec. I don't believe I had ever heard of this crash prior. What's the exhaust coming out of the engines at 9:17 from/due to?
@francishuddy9462
@francishuddy9462 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant simulation. And brilliant, poignant music to accompany the sad real-life pictures.
@technox8166
@technox8166 2 жыл бұрын
For those of you downplaying Allec Joshua Ibay need to realize that no one knew of the Flight Channel before he started posting these videos and neither did anyone have any interest besides Air Crash Investigations. The Flight Channel is great in its own right. However, the incidents are a recreation of what Allec puts on his channel with a newer flight simulator software. This is straight to the point and no multiple camera angles that take away the veracity of the incident. So, for those who love TheFlightChannel, stick to it. However, please refrain from downplaying someone else’s work. These recreation are not a simple task. Keep it up, Allec.
@Lar308
@Lar308 Жыл бұрын
I was 13 when this happened and recall hearing about it on the 5 o clock radio news and then seeing it on the 6 o clock news on the TV. We had only recently got our first TV and so it was amazing to see something that had only happened two hours earlier. Amazing there was no fire as it must have been loaded with fuel.
@asteverino8569
@asteverino8569 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your story of this crash. I have seen another, more dramatic infotainment version.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
A very sad and tragic accident. RIP.
@dtutssel
@dtutssel 2 жыл бұрын
This happened within my lifetime and I'm astonished I've never heard of it until today.
@darkko1969
@darkko1969 2 жыл бұрын
When there is graffiti IN the cockpit, you know you're screwed.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was disturbing to say the least.
@turricanedtc3764
@turricanedtc3764 2 жыл бұрын
@@badmonkey2222 - The investigators brought in handwriting experts to check the graffiti, and the handwriting matched neither of the young Second Officers on that flight. It's very likely that it was written some time before the accident flight by persons unknown.
@andrewk2996
@andrewk2996 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for explaining all the details, Allec. Stress does cause bad judgment and impacts health. Very sad
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@fastfiddler1625
@fastfiddler1625 2 жыл бұрын
Multiple things are usually required to bring about an airplane crash. In this case, everything happened.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed, unfortunately.
@piercehawke8021
@piercehawke8021 2 жыл бұрын
As others in this thread stated; this situation was a textbook example of a 'perfect storm'. RIP to all
@MTisOnly1
@MTisOnly1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm probably among only a few who felt sorry for the captain,
@paulinevanderhoff9007
@paulinevanderhoff9007 Жыл бұрын
Yes, he should never have got on the plane at all, let alone fly it. He would have been experiencing chest pains and should have aborted the flight. He was ultimately responsible for this tragedy.
@vernonsmithee792
@vernonsmithee792 2 жыл бұрын
Had a CVR been installed, it probably would have had: "All right, what's all this then!??!" picked up seconds before the end of the recording🕵
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
cvr?
@tvideo1189
@tvideo1189 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK Cockpit Voice Recorder. Sadly, the most common "last words" spoken by crew just before a fatal crash is "Shit!". Not joking, that is from hundreds of recordings.
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 жыл бұрын
@@tvideo1189 I wonder what he did with the time he saved not typing ockpit oice ecorder?
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK CVR is a common standard abbreviation in aviation - like FDR, TOGA, STOL, ATC, FO, RWY and so on.
@JosephStalin-yk2hd
@JosephStalin-yk2hd 2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK imagine being upset, over a “shortened” word lmao.
@paulkolodner2445
@paulkolodner2445 2 жыл бұрын
This incident was the basis of an episode of Air Disasters.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed, a very good one.
@johnny5805
@johnny5805 2 жыл бұрын
Finally dude ! :-) Only BOAC Flight 911 and Air Canada Flight 621 to go, on my bucket list for this channel now :-)
@WendyKS93
@WendyKS93 2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one wondering about the technical issues happening on the runway just before takeoff? Also I'm surprised to learn there was no CVR on board the plane, but then since it was 1972 maybe they weren't required yet on airplanes at that time? A CVR would have been helpful in this investigation. Thanks for bringing this story to us Mr. Allec.
@michaelevans205
@michaelevans205 2 жыл бұрын
CVRs were not required or common in UK aircraft at the time. They became mandatory as a direct result of this accident. The lack of insight into exactly what happened was a serious handicap to the investigation.
@WendyKS93
@WendyKS93 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelevans205 Thank you so much for the helpful information Michael. Appreciated.
@patthewoodboy
@patthewoodboy 2 жыл бұрын
when a stick shaker activates , you pull back on the stick ...brilliant idea
@turricanedtc3764
@turricanedtc3764 2 жыл бұрын
That still happens more often than you might think.
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 2 жыл бұрын
They didn’t. They regarded it as a nuisance warning (common in those days) and continued as they were.
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 2 жыл бұрын
@Dennis Wilson again you show what a know nothing you are. The system was so prone to nuisance warnings that it had a dump handle for the system specifically to override it. This had been used on the flight. So much for you assertion that student pilots are told not to use it.
@Kathikas1
@Kathikas1 18 күн бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@peteconrad2077I think you are confusing a ‘warning’ - stick shaker and ‘recovery’ mechanism ie stick pusher. The former could not be overridden but the latter could be by dint of lifting the yellow and black ‘tigers tail’ at the back of the centre console
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 18 күн бұрын
@@Kathikas1 no. I'm not confused at all. Its a reasonable assumption from the flight path that the stick shaker was ignored since nuisance stick shakes weren't unknown on the trident.
@jimdavies6764
@jimdavies6764 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this one, and Allec, you portrayed it well as usual. The Trident was hardly to blame; its design tried its best to over-ride the poor input of the pilot. He ignored and over-rode the automatic stall-avoidance feature. That is highly culpable I blame the pending strikers. I didn't know Key opposed striking (I thought he was on the other side ) but Britain was riddled at the time with "industrial disputes" and this needless loss of life was one consequence. Unions have a great deal to answer for.
@jadedfox4672
@jadedfox4672 Жыл бұрын
What trident add on did you use for this?
@gomerhanger2285
@gomerhanger2285 2 жыл бұрын
So sad 😭
@kidpagronprimsank05
@kidpagronprimsank05 2 жыл бұрын
While the cause of accident were pretty clear, but who did it in first place wasn't known due to lack of CVR. CVR become mandatory after this accident in UK commercial aircraft
@ianjameshodges2999
@ianjameshodges2999 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Alec.. I wonder if you could make videos on two Dan Air accidents that occurred in the 80's (i believe).. B727 GBDAN from Manchester UK to Tenerife Los Rodeos that crashed into a mountain side killing all on board. ( this was around the same time as the well published B747 crash between PanAm/KLM also at Los Rodeos.. The Dan Air accident seems to be overshadowed by this... ALSO Dan Air Flt DA1008 Comet 4 GAPDN crash from Manchester to Gerona (Barcelona) that crashed into woodland.. Thank you. .
@eudaldguell3004
@eudaldguell3004 2 жыл бұрын
Manchester to Barcelona in 1970
@F3502000
@F3502000 2 жыл бұрын
Have been witness to people in the industry that are nothing but malcontents. They'll whine and cry about things, unappreciative they have a friggin job! Didn't cause this crash...but can relate to Key's frustration when dealing with whiny kids at work.
@paulcooper8818
@paulcooper8818 2 жыл бұрын
Gazoo must go
@F3502000
@F3502000 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulcooper8818 Oh Hi there Dumb Dumb!! 😀
@paulcooper8818
@paulcooper8818 2 жыл бұрын
Gazoo must GO!!
@anonincognito617
@anonincognito617 2 жыл бұрын
This crash is why CVRs are now mandatory on transport category aircraft in the UK.
@timames4405
@timames4405 2 жыл бұрын
Error number one. The runway was 28R. It was only renumbered due to changes in magnetic north in circa 87/88.
@antman5474
@antman5474 2 жыл бұрын
That aircraft had it's tail section knocked off twice. Spooky.
@partytill10
@partytill10 2 жыл бұрын
stalling and not reacting to it properly seems to be one of if not the most common causes of accidents. Shows extremely poor training and/or screening of pilots. It's so basic - if you have a stall warning you (if at all possible) always increase power and never pull up until the warning is cleared. it's so obvious that even if stressed, tired, in pain it should be easy.
@jdaze1
@jdaze1 2 жыл бұрын
I have never flown a plane, but I've figured that out simply by watching these crash videos a few times. I mean seriously? These pilots are supposed to be trained to know this? Why does it continue to be a problem? They should be taught, FORCE YOURSELF to do what seems wrong in a stall situation. So frustrating!!
@jarlkampen8650
@jarlkampen8650 2 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert, but I suppose the contradiction between seeing that you're still moving forward combined with the terrifying event of a possibly stall makes pilots think the stall warning is in error and must be ignored.
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 2 жыл бұрын
You haven’t a clue. Nuisance warnings were common on the trident and they had no reason to suspect it was a real stall. Power doesn’t really help that much either. They didn’t raise the nose, they kept it where it was.
@shawnli4746
@shawnli4746 2 жыл бұрын
12:19 only if you count both airline and incident on British soil. Deadliest in uk is Lockerbie. Deadliest involving UK airline is that dan air flight
@GCarty80
@GCarty80 2 жыл бұрын
Lockerbie was the deadliest plane crash on British soil, but it was a terrorist attack not an accidental crash.
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 2 жыл бұрын
AKA the Staines crash. So horrific in that there were no survivors in the end. Obviously a big case of generation gap and no crew resource management at all. The plane looks very complicated to fly. While I can understand that no one like to hear jet noise all the time, regulations should not be there if it's going to endanger the lives onboard which it may have here.
@buckfaststradler4629
@buckfaststradler4629 2 жыл бұрын
Those Tridents were noisy fuckers - they used to take off over the place I worked in the early 70's - couldn't hear yourself speak for about a minute
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 2 жыл бұрын
@@buckfaststradler4629 I remember 707s being pretty loud until they put hush fans on them. The Convair 990s were both loud and very smokey.
@paulcooper8818
@paulcooper8818 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I didn't prematurely make a comment only half way through the video.
@deardiary8292
@deardiary8292 Жыл бұрын
The fact two people initially survived still shocks me.
@SalisburyPlainAviation
@SalisburyPlainAviation Жыл бұрын
In 1972 Heathrow' westerly runways were 28 Right and 28 Left. they didn't change with magnetic variation to 27 Right and Left until maybe 1980. So 'Bealine 548' departed 28R not 27R. fwiw.
@michaelbrown5601
@michaelbrown5601 2 жыл бұрын
I knew as soon as they touched the droops at that air speed, they were doomed to a fatal belly flop. Tragic 😔
@robdevaney6518
@robdevaney6518 2 жыл бұрын
First officer and flight engineer both very young and likely cowed by the attitude and reputation of the pilot
@georgeconway4360
@georgeconway4360 2 жыл бұрын
There was no Flight Engineer on the flight. In the U.K. Aircraft required three pilots or two pilots and a Flight Engineer. Pilots at BEA remained qualified as a P2 or P3 and swapped seats on different legs.
@davidjma7226
@davidjma7226 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard much more about the Trident after this crash......
@turricanedtc3764
@turricanedtc3764 2 жыл бұрын
Avionics-wise, the Trident was about 15 years ahead of its time - full triplex autopilot, and the first civilian-certified CatIII autoland system.
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