Black Widow - How to Fail at Spy Thriller | Anatomy Of A Failure

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2021's Black Widow is a new Marvel movie starring Scarlett Johansson's Natasha Romanoff and Florence Pugh's Yelena Belova and David Harbour as the Red Guardian. The movie has been doing well as a Marvel movie and apparently is far from a box office flop, but it also shares some clear similarities with the Jason Bourne movies as a spy action thriller not unlike Captain America The Winter Soldier. And there the movie for some reason fails to reach the set bar. So in today's anatomy of a failure, let's look at Black Widow as a Bourne-like spy espionage action thriller to find a few core reasons for why it stumbled.
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Black Widow (2021)
A film about Natasha Romanoff in her quests between the films Civil War and Infinity War.In Marvel Studios' action-packed spy thriller ""Black Widow,"" Natasha Romanoff aka Black Widow confronts the darker parts of her ledger when a dangerous conspiracy with ties to her past arises. Pursued by a force that will stop at nothing to bring her down, Natasha must deal with her history as a spy and the broken relationships left in her wake long before she became an Avenger. Scarlett Johansson reprises her role as Natasha/Black Widow, Florence Pugh stars as Yelena, David Harbour portrays Alexei/The Red Guardian, and Rachel Weisz is Melina. ""Black Widow""- first film in Phase Four of the Marvel Cinematic Universe-is directed by Cate" Shortland and produced by Kevin Feige. yelena belova being chaotic af in black widow Yelena Belova being everyone's new favorite character | New Trailer Black Widow compilation everything wrong with black widow cinemasins black widow honest the winter soldier how to film dread black widow bad movie watch black widow movie online 4k black widow clip hd 4k black widow post credits scene black widow 2 black Black Widow - Smells Like Teen Spirit Black Widow opening credits song black widow hello song
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Marvel's The Avengers (2012)
Marvel Studios delivers the ultimate comic-book film, which ties together such characters as Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), Captain America (Chris Evans), The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo), and Thor (Chris Hemsworth) for a big-screen franchise team-up like no other. Taking center stage this time is Nick Fury (played once again by the note-perfect Samuel L. Jackson), Avengers Endgame watch full movie, avengers endgame watch online, avengers endgame audience reaction, leader of the peacekeeping agency known as S.H.I.E.L.D. Fury, along with former Russian spy Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), recruits a super team to combat Thor's ever-deceptive brother Loki (Tom Hiddleston) after he brainwashes ace archer Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) while stealing a cosmic cube from an underground base. Thus the heroes must learn to work together alongside outlaw scientist Bruce Banner (Ruffalo), who can track down the artifact's gamma signals when he's not hulking out into a giant green monster. Show runner Joss Whedon (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly) adapted and helmed the script by Zak Penn.
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The Bourne Supremacy (2006)
The second chapter in the "Bourne Trilogy," based on Robert Ludlum's best-selling espionage novels, reaches the screen in this sequel to the 2002 thriller The Bourne Identity. Jason Bourne (Matt Damon) has abandoned his life as a CIA assassin and has been traveling beneath the agency's radar, eventually reconnecting with Marie Kreutz (Franka Potente), the woman he loves. But Bourne is haunted by vivid dreams and troubling memories of his days as a killer, and he's not certain how much really happened and how much is a product of his imagination. When Bourne is led out of hiding by circumstances beyond his control, he must reconcile his past and present as he struggles to keep Marie out of harm's way and foil an international incident with dangerous consequences. The Bourne Supremacy also features Joan Allen as one of Bourne's superiors, while Julia Stiles and Brian Cox reprise their roles as intelligence agents from the first film.

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@Filmento
@Filmento 3 жыл бұрын
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@kindbrute4640
@kindbrute4640 3 жыл бұрын
Did you like the movie though? I found it mid at best
@deandrenicholas2545
@deandrenicholas2545 3 жыл бұрын
@@kindbrute4640 that's what I said. It was ok, and that's it. 6 out of 10
@kakashikage9483
@kakashikage9483 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one that thought of the Bourne franchise when I saw this movie. I mentioned it my movie review, because everyone else was comparing it to Winter Soldier kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLign9N9ltq9kZs.html
@angdemidemi
@angdemidemi 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry out of topic but @filmento, can you do Major Grom: The Plague Doctor. I enjoyed the film but I'm interested on how you see it. I've been learning so much from your channel, now I see movies a bit more with depth! Thank yooou!!
@michaelpruitt1857
@michaelpruitt1857 3 жыл бұрын
It was a good movie,I enjoyed it.
@PittsburghSonido
@PittsburghSonido 3 жыл бұрын
The real crime of this film was omitting the Budapest arc with Hawkeye.
@mrpuss2519
@mrpuss2519 3 жыл бұрын
Just like Fury's eye.
@littleredruri
@littleredruri 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@kidflasher
@kidflasher 3 жыл бұрын
Should I watch the movie first or is it not worth it?
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 3 жыл бұрын
Same. They referenced that in The Avengers 2012
@littleredruri
@littleredruri 3 жыл бұрын
@@kidflasher It's worth it, it's a really enjoyable movie.
@jjoestar385
@jjoestar385 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie the fact that they built up the red guardian for him to not really succeed in any fight or prove himself, pisses me off
@jjoestar385
@jjoestar385 3 жыл бұрын
@mintysquinty not sure what chekhov is but yes the fact that he didnt even win his big fight was dissapointing to say the least, i at least hope we see more of this character
@ThePsiGuard
@ThePsiGuard 3 жыл бұрын
@@jjoestar385 Chekhov's Gun is a storytelling principle that states if you show a gun to the audience in act 1, the gun should be used in act 3. Basically it means if you include certain details in your story, you need to make those details meaningful and not waste the audience's attention. It's kind of a betrayal to the audience when you seem to set up something but never deliver a payoff.
@sheppieboi
@sheppieboi 3 жыл бұрын
@@jjoestar385 His big fight was defeating his own ego. As an eastern european I think he's meant to represent the downfall of the prideful soviet union as well as a person who likes to "live in his glory days". By the end he realises that his problem is not NOT having the right feelings, his problem is not communicating those feelings. I feel like it's a good message, especially for men.
@SalusFuturistics
@SalusFuturistics 3 жыл бұрын
@@sheppieboi People totally went to the Movie for that, "especially men"
@risingdoom
@risingdoom 3 жыл бұрын
@@SalusFuturistics and what is your reason to watch the movie?
@realkingside1564
@realkingside1564 3 жыл бұрын
Me throughout the whole movie: “HOW DID SHE NOT DIE…WTF”
@declanhugors
@declanhugors 2 жыл бұрын
Its because shes a woman. We can't have weak women in modern film, can we?
@irrevenant8724
@irrevenant8724 2 жыл бұрын
@@declanhugors Yup. I constantly think that watching MCU films. "OMG, Clint, Sam and Tony are just ordinary humans who should *not* have survived that. It's because they're women. We can't have weak women in modern films, can we?".
@Undubbedriah
@Undubbedriah 2 жыл бұрын
@@irrevenant8724 OMG you roasted him
@Whatsabird
@Whatsabird 2 жыл бұрын
@@declanhugors im pretty sure its because she died in endgame
@declanhugors
@declanhugors 2 жыл бұрын
@@irrevenant8724 Well Sam and Tony have ARMOR, so no shit when they survive some form of blast. And since when has Clint just walked away from an attack like Natasha's bridge scene?
@DauthEldrvaria
@DauthEldrvaria 2 жыл бұрын
The Avengers Movies made Natasha seem so interesting and mysterious. What pain was she carrying? What happened to her in her past? How does she have no one who really cares for her yet she can be such a charming character who is obviously beautiful. They release this movie and killed all the interest I had for this character. Amazing.
@iwillgowiththatcat8667
@iwillgowiththatcat8667 2 жыл бұрын
Well that’s kinda ignorant on your part.black widow is an amazingly written character in the comics might I add you shouldn’t depend your interest in the movies when they, most of the time aren’t accurate.
@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455
@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455 Жыл бұрын
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 Did you even understand the comment or not?
@jeremybrown9611
@jeremybrown9611 Жыл бұрын
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 Telling us you're a Simp without telling us you're a Simp
@lukesanders8912
@lukesanders8912 3 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda bad that black widow was my third favourite character in her own film
@toyanthaog5109
@toyanthaog5109 3 жыл бұрын
Sad you thought it was her movie
@reinspieler
@reinspieler 3 жыл бұрын
after yelena and Dad alexei
@KalaiArasan_The_Doctor
@KalaiArasan_The_Doctor 3 жыл бұрын
@@toyanthaog5109 Hint: Title of the movie
@toyanthaog5109
@toyanthaog5109 3 жыл бұрын
@@KalaiArasan_The_Doctor yelena is a black widow too
@argo9721
@argo9721 3 жыл бұрын
@@toyanthaog5109 wow
@ohuckabee
@ohuckabee 3 жыл бұрын
In a way, this explains why the Punisher and Daredevil only got TV shows. Neither can be turned into a bombastic Marvel film without losing what they are.
@Whateveridksomething
@Whateveridksomething 3 жыл бұрын
And goddamn were they great! Especially daredevil
@dralakba-dusk31
@dralakba-dusk31 3 жыл бұрын
and even then that Punisher was a very less murdery punisher.
@Whateveridksomething
@Whateveridksomething 3 жыл бұрын
@@dralakba-dusk31 not until the very end of season 2 where his arc was fully formed as the punisher, but it was canceled
@creed8712
@creed8712 3 жыл бұрын
I meant daredevil fighting a bunch of ninjas and a fat dude is bombastic enough. As for punisher I’d just get the Russian in there and you’d be good
@Whateveridksomething
@Whateveridksomething 3 жыл бұрын
@@creed8712 lmao you'd be far from good trust me, punisher at his prime can do some pretty insane shit, and I'm talking about the netflix version
@aetherblackbolt1301
@aetherblackbolt1301 2 жыл бұрын
The stunt double for Taskmaster was a man whenever the helmet was on, because they wanted the character to be more menacing. And yet it's a spindly twig once the helmet is off. That's how laughable it all is.
@realdavidjones1623
@realdavidjones1623 2 жыл бұрын
Although that was funny 😂 that was still very rude.
@tlshortyshorty5810
@tlshortyshorty5810 2 жыл бұрын
Olga Kurylenko’s a respectable actress who did work as a Bond girl. Completely and utterly wasted in this movie.
@shadyminkins5704
@shadyminkins5704 Жыл бұрын
@@realdavidjones1623 Not rude at all, unless you mean rude to the filmmakers (who kinda deserve it). If you mean the actress, nothing's her fault, all OP did was say she's thin =p
@sneakaboo3486
@sneakaboo3486 2 жыл бұрын
There was so much exposition, they should have just made a movie about BW growing up. Imagine if instead of talking about all she went though, you actually saw her training and how she got so distant from Yelena. Then knowing BW dies and they never make up hurts more. I was really interested in the intro because it was a side of Marvel we never saw before. I wanted to see how Yelena and BW’s relationship was affected to the point that BW never mentions her to the Avengers. I wanted to see how BW got out and joined SHIELD, and what she had to sacrifice. I want to see Yelena start hating SHIELD because they took her sister away. Instead, we get storytime with BW
@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108
@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 2 жыл бұрын
The opening credits but that for the whole film
@dobbear
@dobbear 3 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons why I love the Ant-Man movies is they are part of a connected universe but also hold their own as individual movies without constantly hitting you over the head with "Avengers".
@janbreaux2545
@janbreaux2545 3 жыл бұрын
Same as Doctor Strange
@dobbear
@dobbear 3 жыл бұрын
@Stuff already starting to see it fizzle out with Black Widow and even their Shang Chi, usually you'd see ads blasted everywhere for Marvel movies, I didn't know this Shang Chi was a thing till the other week, personally there is no hype around it. Its great that other people are hyped about it but I'm happy to wait till it shows up on stream platforms without the premium.
@Lunarwingluna
@Lunarwingluna 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree. Ant-Man is honestly one of my favorite standalone MCU films. It did a very good job staying grounded in its own story, and it was also just a really good film.
@iamgroot2810
@iamgroot2810 3 жыл бұрын
It is a very formulaic movie but yeah it's an enjoyable movie. Especially the 1st one.
@ceciladams4882
@ceciladams4882 2 жыл бұрын
@@dobbear Their TV shows are much better than their movies as of now. They actually build characters and help set up the future while still being their own thing.
@schwarzerritter5724
@schwarzerritter5724 3 жыл бұрын
As silly as classical James Bond is, everything is build to look like everyday objects. The gadgets, the cars, the hideouts. But here we have the villain walking around in public dressed like a Power Ranger.
@TheKillaShow
@TheKillaShow 3 жыл бұрын
But this is a comic book movie.
@vfxninja5503
@vfxninja5503 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheKillaShow "but Birth Of A Nation is just a klan movie, why are you complaining"
@eem2wavy133
@eem2wavy133 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheKillaShow tbf taskmaster doesn’t have to be the main villain
@ChrisH421
@ChrisH421 3 жыл бұрын
@@vfxninja5503 think what he's saying is that this is in universe for marvel so people have seen super heroes, villains like crossbones, the hulk, and so forth out in public. In this context taskmaster doesn't stick out that much.
@jfoster8624
@jfoster8624 3 жыл бұрын
This is a different unvirse one where someone dressed up like that isn't uncommon to see
@longdarkwing103
@longdarkwing103 3 жыл бұрын
Can we also talk about how red guardian is practically a inflatable punching clown? He is useless in everything he do, what was even the point of put him into the film? Only for the niche fans money?
@khalilnieves7137
@khalilnieves7137 2 жыл бұрын
He's the male character in a female movie, therefore he has to be clumsy, clownish and clueless
@samuraijacques952
@samuraijacques952 2 жыл бұрын
Every Marvel film needs the comic relief in movies already written as action comedies
@captainjakemerica4579
@captainjakemerica4579 2 жыл бұрын
@@khalilnieves7137 he had bis badass moments like breaking the prisons arm and helping Melina fight Taskmaster
@declanhugors
@declanhugors 2 жыл бұрын
You guys have to remember that men cannot look tough in mordern Marvel products. They have to be constantly dependent on more DIVERSE characters and look like bumbling idiots. Marvel can't let men be stronger or equal to women or else THE MESSAGE isn't properly conveyed
@declanhugors
@declanhugors 2 жыл бұрын
@@captainjakemerica4579 He needed help escaping the prison and Melina helped HIM, meanwhile taskmaster, being a WOMAN, was kicking his ass. Fun fact: The one who played Taskmaster in all the fight scenes was actually a MAN, but the woke writers retconned this character to be a woman while ironically providing that they could only get a man to do the job lmao
@jakesasak3448
@jakesasak3448 2 жыл бұрын
Dude you literally are my film school. You make my stories and writing so much better, I can't describe how much of a help you've been to my writing.
@NCHProductions
@NCHProductions 3 жыл бұрын
was kinda hoping filmento did a brief editing of dom pulling up to the black widow family and saying "family" aha....
@Mrhellslayerz
@Mrhellslayerz 3 жыл бұрын
Aye, didn't expect to see you here!
@darthsilversith667
@darthsilversith667 3 жыл бұрын
You know why reverse cowgirl is illegal in Alabama..? Because you don’t turn your back on family.
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 3 жыл бұрын
@@darthsilversith667 Anal is also illegal in Mississipi, but idk any joke about that.
@rendyajadech1957
@rendyajadech1957 3 жыл бұрын
Expecting your next video will be RAG :3
@selfconscience
@selfconscience 3 жыл бұрын
Black widow keeping up with the memes a year after it's supposed release
@AlexRider589
@AlexRider589 3 жыл бұрын
The most interesting thing about spy thrillers is the "hiding in plain sight" part.
@ToasteBlade
@ToasteBlade 3 жыл бұрын
Are you telling me you can’t hide in plain sight in a tank while destroying entire cities?!
@akshy471
@akshy471 3 жыл бұрын
Tom cruise walking in the Kremlin in Ghost protocol is just the sweetest.
@maybeyourbaby6486
@maybeyourbaby6486 3 жыл бұрын
maybe this is a dumb idea but maybe a villain in a sci-fi suit that lets them change their appearance to look like other people is the way to do spy thriller combined with superhero sci-fi that has given up on justifying itself? There could be tons of tension from this like superpowered person in a supersuit being able to like holographically or whatever turn into anyone they want. Is that old lady outside feeding the birds a little too alert for an old lady? Is it just me or has that jogger ran past us three times in two minutes? Hey why are you in the kitchen didn't you just leave? I feel like that might be a way to blend the genres and make a product greater than the sum of its parts
@Bariom_dome
@Bariom_dome 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but I didn't quite feel that in this film.
@nadarith1044
@nadarith1044 2 жыл бұрын
I get the felling taskmaster isn't supposed to hide, he's supposed to be a fire-and-forget weapon that has to kill the target at any cost, i mean what the hell will people do about him? send police? retaliate by attacking the red room? the fact is that unlike a typical bond villain, red room director made themselves basically untouchable, he's a bond villain that has long since won and feels invincible
@themimsy
@themimsy 2 жыл бұрын
The best way I can describe this movie is "It feels like a sequel to a movie we wanted but never got". Imagine how much better this movie would have been if it was a sequel. If the first movie was seeing Natasha and her upbringing in the Red Room and her going on missions, seeing her internal conflict or lack thereof due to how she was practically brainwashed, until she's stopped by Clint then recruited by SHIELD. She then goes on to have the mission in Budapest and then forced to make the controversial and morally challenging action of bombing the building with Dreykov and his daughter inside, seemingly killing them both. We then lead into Nick Fury approaching her for the mission against Loki in The Avengers (2012) Now, we have the second black widow movie in which we have already paid respect to her character and can follow up on this and introduce Yelena (the movie as is is a passing of the torch to her). We see Nat on the run following Civil War, trying to stay safe and out of the public eye. We get rid of the scene of Task Master being sent on the mission so when he shows up it's more of a shock (also, just make it not Task Master please... I don't care that they genderswapped her except that it was so forced and the fact that the Task Master is played by a man whenever the mask is still on lol. But don't waste the character making her just another victim and then also reducing the impressive skills of a photographic memory for fighting to being tech based. You can still have Dreykov's daughter be a masked villain going after Natasha). Then cut to Yelena being ruthless and killing and going on her missions when she gets introduced to the gas or dust or whatever that frees her from the control, but don't show the results of it just yet. That way, there's actually suspense when Yelena and Nat fight as we don't know already what the gas did to her, and can have Yelena explain it to Nat (instead of what we got which was seeing the gas free Yelena and then her having to ALSO explain what we just saw to Nat). When Yelena reveals to Nat that the Red Room is still active and that Dreykov is still alive, there is a sense of tension and shock as we all thought we saw Nat kill him and take down the Red Room in the last movie (unfortunately, what we instead got was a case of 'Telling' instead of 'Showing'). Blah blah the story progresses, the get the Red Guardian out (and, unlike in the movie we did get, he's not just reduced to a walking joke that only exists for comedy). We meet with Melena and Nat is suspicious right away. Build up the tension as Yelena and Alexei bond. Have Melena reveal she already contacted the Red Room and then don't cut away right away, let the scene sink in. Blah blah they get captured and brought in to the Red Room and the twists are revealed. Let Alexei actually handle his own against the Task Master instead of getting clowned on and needing Melena to save him. The story progresses and we get Task Master revealed as Dreykov's daughter, now it actually has a meaning to us as we saw Nat bomb the building and supposedly kill her (but again, I would prefer it to not be Task Master, but I digress). From then, the story can progress the way it does and we end with Nat going off to join the Avengers with her new hairdo and vest. Bam.
@kirinchecker
@kirinchecker 2 жыл бұрын
What bugged me the most about this movie, is the action. I mean, it's a marvel movie sure, but the stunts and action that Natasha easily lives are just too much. Many stunts are even more brutal than anything that Steve Rogers has ever done and that dude is a super human, while Natasha is just an ordinary woman with some good fighting techniques. I can believe her falling of a bridge and living it, but falling down like 10 metres from a building, bouncing onto various metal-boxes and just walking away from it like nothing happened, is just too unrealistic. She's not wearing any cyber suit like tony or anything and she just lives it, while the other woman that fell from almost the same hight, couldn't move more than one arm. The movie is okay, but really should've been made for 2016 and not with that stupid post credit scene-lie, that Hawkeye is responsible for Natashas death. That really destroys the scene in Endgame. Both Natasha and Clint were eager about dying for one another to get that damn stone and now some random Woman accuses Clint for Natasha's death, when he was also ready to sacrifice himself?
@w3x8m2173
@w3x8m2173 3 жыл бұрын
It was hard to get invested in a story where there was not a single thing at stake. Characters were surviving falls from great heights, massive explosions without even breathing hard. Also, if it had been released chronologically I think it would have much stronger.
@bbittercoffee
@bbittercoffee 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Every thing that could mortally harm was deflated by the fact that I knew she survived and then died in Endgame She fell from a building? She's not supposed to die yet Lost a fight and gets locked up? Well, she gets out because she's just fine in IW
@russiankodiak6849
@russiankodiak6849 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like bro Black Widow doesn’t have powers in the MCU, so the types of falls that these characters took would probably kill them, it’s an inconsistency
@JustaGuy_Gaming
@JustaGuy_Gaming 3 жыл бұрын
@The ABC Jug Band The problem is being a "normal" human is kind of Widow's gimick. Yet her she is doing the near impossible and making it look easy. Spiderman would be impressed with her abilities. Not to mention she just beats Taskmaster down like a cheap trick in the end. No reason she can suddenly win, she just does. The Villian who's supposed to be able to learn any martial art instantly from watching it once. That seemingly was behind the entire Black widow program and knows every move she'd make... lost like a chump.
@MystiqMiu
@MystiqMiu 3 жыл бұрын
Even if one of her family members died, who cares since she couldn't be damned to mention a single one of em by name in the whole of the mcu before now? Must not have been that relevant to her is what that says, so the movie team didnt have that as a tool either
@dulguunshallot1018
@dulguunshallot1018 3 жыл бұрын
and fucking tasmaaaaaasttteeeeeer reveal
@commander31able60
@commander31able60 3 жыл бұрын
I've got an even better scenario - Natasha befriends the director's daughter, gives her a gift-wrapped box saying it's for her father and has the daughter deliver the bomb.
@shamamtashminkabir
@shamamtashminkabir 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@MrKersey
@MrKersey 3 жыл бұрын
Even better, Natasha puts on the vest with grenades, goes to the director, pulls the pins out and says "This is from Matilda".
@ABeardedDad
@ABeardedDad 3 жыл бұрын
Savage.
@veteranredbeard6222
@veteranredbeard6222 3 жыл бұрын
The director is a woman...Cate Shortland
@commander31able60
@commander31able60 3 жыл бұрын
@@veteranredbeard6222 so?
@katana2k
@katana2k 2 жыл бұрын
Filmento: "I won't say whether it's good or bad" The editing: "this is the stupidest, most bullshit movie ever made"
@declanhugors
@declanhugors 2 жыл бұрын
I would hands down rather watch Iron Man 2 or Thor The Dark world. At least those have logical stories
@goodygowild
@goodygowild 3 жыл бұрын
I was pretty upset with the taskmaster twist. I Thought having the daughter end up as taskmaster felt cheap like a cheap "WOAH" kind of twist. I think it would have worked better if Drekov didn't survive the explosion, but his daughter did. As she grows she learns about his work and sees him as a sort of martyr. So by the time she's older she has effectively taken over the project and is hammering down even harder for no widows to escape because the one that did killed her father and severely disabled her. Since she's so disabled too, this could be where TaskMaster comes in as his own character. and isn't just a weak twist that came out of nowhere for no real reason.
@theelephantintheroom69
@theelephantintheroom69 3 жыл бұрын
The explanation is simple: Disney was too afraid to make a Marvel film R-18
@akikleist
@akikleist 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, Deadpool 3 has been confirmed to be happening in MCU and it is R-rated by Kevin Feige
@tomdaniel872
@tomdaniel872 3 жыл бұрын
@@akikleist could you imagine a non r rated deadpool????
@wasterdnb
@wasterdnb 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomdaniel872 it was called once upon a deadpool in 2018
@MadGeorgeProductions
@MadGeorgeProductions 3 жыл бұрын
The Bourne movies are PG-13. They should just never have attempted the pretense of a serious spy thriller if they didn't have the balls (or talent) to go through with it.
@HamanKarn567
@HamanKarn567 3 жыл бұрын
R rating doesn't mean it is good automatically.
@ignitetheinferno1858
@ignitetheinferno1858 3 жыл бұрын
“Everyone will hate me for saying negative stuff about the film.” Nah, all the youtubers I watch, even MCU fanboys, have all been like, “It’s only ok.”
@chaosmaster4130
@chaosmaster4130 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah thats the point. It was nothing exceptional but it was not bad either.
@mysteryace2129
@mysteryace2129 3 жыл бұрын
@@chaosmaster4130 bad smell man can't be touched and is a super realistic espionage boss villain go BRRRRR
@JustaGuy_Gaming
@JustaGuy_Gaming 3 жыл бұрын
Basically it does nothing special and even if you binge watch the marvel movies there is no reason to ever watch it again. IT has less impact on the MCU than even Captain Marvel.
@chaosmaster4130
@chaosmaster4130 3 жыл бұрын
@@mysteryace2129 dude. Thats what I said. Third act was weak. But that doesn't make the entire film bad.
@kwameoliver2455
@kwameoliver2455 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's ok, I don't see any real reason to completely hate it but it's okay, I couldn't see myself watching it again is it a 9 or 8 out of 10 no, it's like a 6.9 or solid 7, my expectations of stuff is not that high, the last time I was disappointed was when I watched the Snyder cut and how everyone kept saying how it's so good and I was so disappointed.
@shubhamnew
@shubhamnew 2 жыл бұрын
the point at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="420">7:00</a> about the safehouse scene is so spot on ... when it was happening in the movie, the entire time I was like "what is the point of this fight, can we just move on ??" and you explain so perfectly why someone in the audience would feel that way
@omeshsingh8091
@omeshsingh8091 3 жыл бұрын
MCU: Torturing animals is funny especially when the animal is 11 seconds from death.
@radspiderjackson
@radspiderjackson 3 жыл бұрын
still surprised no one has mentioned the fact that the red room existed in the clouds in a time where the avengers and just Earth period was supposed to be on high alert, particularly for anything hovering above Earth
@maxdrags3115
@maxdrags3115 3 жыл бұрын
The clouds aren't above earth, but ok.
@arichutfles9550
@arichutfles9550 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxdrags3115 Earth = ground. The clouds are literally above Earth.
@radspiderjackson
@radspiderjackson 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxdrags3115 lol excuse me but no matter what you decided is above earth or not, its still something that should not have been over looked by avengers that are on high alert after alien attacks and crap...
@siauhweeleow7490
@siauhweeleow7490 3 жыл бұрын
@@radspiderjackson Something hovering above earth, whether is a threat or not is not determined by Avengers, it is by S.H.I.E.L.D. If they are not a direct threat, their stance is usually to leave it alone. SHIELD is led by Nick which is a sort of leader of the avengers.
@captainjakemerica4579
@captainjakemerica4579 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure there was a cloaking device similar to what the old Helicarrier had
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 3 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="84">1:24</a> That's just not how explosions work, she should have died several times over from an explosion like this at point blank range, it feels MCU people "just forgot" that Black Widows don't have super powers 🤔
@derrickwilliams1210
@derrickwilliams1210 3 жыл бұрын
What about when she fell 10 storeys then got up like it was nothing "Tis but a scratch" 😒 Edit: I watched that scene again, she actually landed on her feet 😭😭
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 3 жыл бұрын
@@derrickwilliams1210 Yeah, that too.
@cir0plus
@cir0plus 3 жыл бұрын
She has the best power of all...plot armor
@edward3190
@edward3190 3 жыл бұрын
she's basically female Cap.
@sirchooch9680
@sirchooch9680 3 жыл бұрын
@@edward3190 no Steve had powers that’s how he survivef
@EskChan19
@EskChan19 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing that the whole taskmaster thing does in a way is taking away from the 'trauma' as well. And that's in two ways: 1. Undoing her deeds: The trouble should be about her having killed this little girl as collateral. Yes, having her 'face that trauma physically' is a nice thematic piece, but it also undoes her deeds and undermines the trauma. Because as it turns out, tadaaaa, the girl lived all along and she wasn't killed after all, all's good! This could have easily be solved by making it the little girls sister or mother be the one out for revenge instead of the girl herself. 2. Sometimes, resolving a matter makes someone less relatable than not resolving it. If they had made it a big deal to her, then allowing her to keep that baggage with her would have been way more effective in making her the tragic hero than the "There's your trauma, literally beat it down and then you're over it and cured" we got. Especially for huge traumatic things like having killed an innocent, leaving a matter unresolved can be a better resolution than just making a quick macguffin that solves all of it immediately. But all of that doesn't really matter since as i said in 1., she didn't do it after all so it's all good anyway.
@joaquin5666
@joaquin5666 2 жыл бұрын
It was kinda painful to watch Black Widow being so different in this movie ,she almost feel like another person. During most of the MCU she was funny, charismatic, and seductive, but not anymore. That was a terrible way to say goodbye to an iconic character.
@khfan4life365
@khfan4life365 3 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna get flak for this, but I have to say it. Taskmaster and Draykov’s daughter should have been different people. Taskmaster should have been a merc hired by Ross to take out rogue Avengers, like Nat, and Draykov’s daughter should have manifested as a ghost of guilt that Nat carries. As we’ve seen in the past Avengers movies, Nat has huge emotional baggage as a result of what she did as a Russian spy. Draykov’s daughter could have appeared as an apparition to force Nat to truly face her past and forgive herself for what she did. Lastly, this movie should have been released after Civil War (the timeline of the movie). It would have given more emotional weight to losing Nat in Endgame.
@gaberielpendragon
@gaberielpendragon 3 жыл бұрын
Said like some one who doesn't know how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the green light for movies. You can look at the history around the movie, there was basically no way to get it done before exactly right about now, pre-production didn't even start until 2019. Obviously it can't fit into the timeline where it released, but also this entire phase is all about exploring the greater timeline. Loki being a prime example. This movie sets up Nat's timeline through the MCU pretty tightly. That one time in Budapest being the only real gap we haven't seen on the big screen. Taskmaster works perfectly fine. It's very much the type of thing a control freak like Draykov would do. She also is still alive, so can be reused in the future. Then we have Loki, so Taskmaster variants can also show up in the future.
@uditvedantmishra9719
@uditvedantmishra9719 3 жыл бұрын
@@gaberielpendragon shill
@camil3545
@camil3545 3 жыл бұрын
i'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree with the idea of Taskmaster and Draykov's daughter should have been different people.
@heyisubbed
@heyisubbed 3 жыл бұрын
@@gaberielpendragon What do you mean? They definitely could’ve made a Black Widow movie sooner. The only thing that held Marvel back from doing that was Marvel itself.
@gaberielpendragon
@gaberielpendragon 3 жыл бұрын
@@heyisubbed I see you haven't spent any time reading up on the production history of Black Widow. Or taken any time to consider that Draykov's entire program was to make Black Widows. All of them are Black Widows.
@Daa_Black_Rainbow
@Daa_Black_Rainbow 3 жыл бұрын
the fight scene in Tenet is more Taskmaster than in Black Widow
@mememanbehindtheshadows546
@mememanbehindtheshadows546 3 жыл бұрын
Moral story: black widow movie is a bunch of jokes and offscreen pay off story to begin with just for the movie could happen
@Laneous14
@Laneous14 3 жыл бұрын
Tenet is the biggest piece of crap I've seen in years so I'm not sure which movie you're insulting here.
@qnebra
@qnebra 3 жыл бұрын
@@Laneous14 Much better than current MCU.
@xAce0322x
@xAce0322x 3 жыл бұрын
@@Laneous14 just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's bad lol
@Michael-pu7ee
@Michael-pu7ee 3 жыл бұрын
@@Laneous14 Why is Tenet a piece of crap?
@gavinmillar
@gavinmillar 2 жыл бұрын
Man they literally just watched The Mandalorian and were like "hey we should make a character in armour like that."
@Aditya_Kumar_12_pass
@Aditya_Kumar_12_pass 3 жыл бұрын
imagine what russos could have done with this material.
@Suleimanfilmaker
@Suleimanfilmaker 3 жыл бұрын
I do think that the material would have been taken much more seriously by those and like they did with Winter solider they would have delved deep into the themes and I think that Taskmaster first of all would be tony masters and also would be a mystery like a ghost you see him once and I do think they would’ve had him as an actual threat they say he can copy anybodies body language, Way of fighting that shit is horror villain material and if the Russo’s did it, it would have taskmaster beating the shit out of Natasha and beating her by using her moves against her but then Natasha realising that she can’t beat him by fighting him they way she does but she has to use her surroundings to beat em.
@iamgroot2810
@iamgroot2810 3 жыл бұрын
Don't do that, don't give me hope.
@Suleimanfilmaker
@Suleimanfilmaker 3 жыл бұрын
@@iamgroot2810 😂😂😂 good one
@pats3212
@pats3212 2 жыл бұрын
After what they did to Endgame it's really a game of russian roulette to trust in the Russos anymore
@autolosss
@autolosss 2 жыл бұрын
​@@pats3212 I'd say it's more on the writers Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely that wrote Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Infinity War and Endgame that we'd pay attention to. And while the sense of storytelling was clearly buckling down with Endgame given its many characters and ambitions, Black Widow (and Falcon and the Winter Soldier for that matter) can easily be written to have a smaller-scale impact in the context of the MCU which should help in allowing them to have a pared-down story similar to Captain America: The Winter Soldier to continue in their spy/conspiracy thriller genre. Because it's clear that Jac Schaeffer & Ned Benson (for Black Widow) and Malcolm Spellman, Michael Kastelein, Derek Kolstad (of John Wick and Nobody fame but it's clear that those films were good for their action and not their writing), Dalan Musson and Josef Sawyer (for Falcon and the Winter Soldier) aren't doing justice to the characters they're handling imo, at least within the MCU
@forcene736
@forcene736 3 жыл бұрын
I think this movie just felt so empty. Maybe it was because it realeased in the wrong time or because its just a blank copy of Captain America 2. Although it had some pretty good scenes, it suffered from inconsistency and not well executed plot points.
@kali-mariarose6099
@kali-mariarose6099 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe that black widow is dead and this movie came out 3 years too late so it has no meaning now XD
@aidangordon2713
@aidangordon2713 3 жыл бұрын
Same. Not Marvel's worst, but a _massive_ disappointment for what it could have been.
@dimbulb2959
@dimbulb2959 3 жыл бұрын
@@kali-mariarose6099 For me this movie felt cheap. I expected a much better spy thriller. Had nothing to do with the movie delay. Just what I feel
@kali-mariarose6099
@kali-mariarose6099 3 жыл бұрын
@@aidangordon2713 yeah worth the watch either way, shame its a meaningless joyride though :)
@finngraham7243
@finngraham7243 3 жыл бұрын
yeah and if i'm being honest the stakes were lackluster if there were any at all as we all know that she will die in Endgame, it makes the stakes of her choices and actions non existant as we know she would survive no matter what. Of course her family could have died but when looking at it this movie should have came out either after Captain america civil war of before endgame.
@benjamingentile1660
@benjamingentile1660 3 жыл бұрын
Also a floating building in the sky is not “above the radar” it’s right where radar looks. “Below the radar” is the common phrase because when you get close to trees, buildings and hills radar gets confused. Right in the clouds is a big ol’ dot on a radar screen.
@kindbrute4640
@kindbrute4640 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh, that line fucking HURT me. These people actively refuse to do research at this stage
@anthonyromanelli1392
@anthonyromanelli1392 3 жыл бұрын
I found it hilarious that in the first Thor, SHIELD found Thor’s hammer in about two days, but nobody could find the giant sky station twice the size of the Helicarrier for over twenty years
@jaypeterson1324
@jaypeterson1324 3 жыл бұрын
God that one stung. You’re telling me not a single plane passed by, or a single person looked up and saw a fuck-all sized borderline space station in the sky
@goldchampagne3556
@goldchampagne3556 3 жыл бұрын
U do realize if u fly high enough ur not gonna be on the radar
@benjamingentile1660
@benjamingentile1660 3 жыл бұрын
@@goldchampagne3556 yeah, and where those clouds are is no where near that. If they were at the level everyone would have passed out the second they left an enclosed space.
@Ten-kc2yp
@Ten-kc2yp 2 жыл бұрын
I WISHED they would've used elements of the red room that they established in Agent Carter, it's grounded, they used innocent things like disney movies, dormitories, the school-like setting, etc or even that red room scene in Age of Ultron. THAT is the red room that interests me, I was so excited to see the red room in Black Widow but was disappointed when it wasn't the dark psychological aspect of things, instead we got a CGI monstrosity of an aircraft and pheromone locks and shit... The movie was okay but I was expecting more since Natasha's story through out the other movies is so interesting. I was disappointed but still cried at the sight of her.
@Thedoctorjosh
@Thedoctorjosh 2 жыл бұрын
I think my biggest gripe was in the beginning when Natasha's car gets hit by a freaking RPG, flies across a bridge and sustains no structural damage and most of the windows are unbroken. You can get hit by a car going 30 mph with more damage. Not even counting the fact that she would have been super dead
@UnclePhil1112
@UnclePhil1112 3 жыл бұрын
A black widow film should’ve came out 5 years ago. It just makes Nastsha’s death in Endgame seem less impactful
@Yikkoofficial
@Yikkoofficial 3 жыл бұрын
OMG YES THISSS 💯
@jaypeterson1324
@jaypeterson1324 3 жыл бұрын
How? If anything it gives some more impact, because now the MCU-only’s saw the extent of Natashas work/“sins”. It only developed her character and gave it more after effect. Granted, it could’ve been released BEFORE IW/Endgame, but the effect stays.
@kdawgmaster
@kdawgmaster 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaypeterson1324 it showed 1 sin when in the MCU Natasha made it seem like she had plenty. I found this actually reversed her development as a character because the reality is that this movie wasnt about her as much as it was setting up that Yelena has a target and will likely become some sort of sudo villain later on. Honestly this didnt need a movie to do it and the overall structure was one of the weakest so far. To put this into perspective. Bucky had more development with basically the exact same problems as Natasha but he gained more from his show than she did from this movie. Beyond Bucky being super human ( which this movie basically made Natasha look like ) they are near carbon copy just gender swapped.
@bobsandwich3431
@bobsandwich3431 3 жыл бұрын
@@kdawgmaster just because it showed 1 sin it doesn't mean that she didn't have plently. It wasn't like the movie was saying hey I did one bad thing. They highlighted the one of her sins because it tied right back into the movie with taskmasters reveal and it creates a stronger connection to dreykov. To randomly show her shooting some random people and doing other sinful things would seem random and wouldn't connect back into the story.
@TheKillaShow
@TheKillaShow 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine youd find something to complain about even if this movie came out 5 years ago.
@aidangordon2713
@aidangordon2713 3 жыл бұрын
"What was your plan, Disney?" "To emulate popular spy thrillers, but de-fang them so that we don't damage our brand!" *"Well, your plan SUCKS!"*
@memebrain2177
@memebrain2177 3 жыл бұрын
not a great plan
@technocore1591
@technocore1591 3 жыл бұрын
Well if their plan was to make money...
@aidangordon2713
@aidangordon2713 3 жыл бұрын
@@technocore1591 Yeah, but it's Marvel. They could produce a Room-quality movie and people will STILL eat it up.
@kickass2117
@kickass2117 3 жыл бұрын
@@aidangordon2713 You'll never see a room quality movie from MCU because they'll either play safe(Black Widow, Antman and the Wasp) or go all out(Infinity War, Endgame)
@wifine1951
@wifine1951 3 жыл бұрын
@@kickass2117 lol their D+ shows are dog shit
@PsychoDeadKitty
@PsychoDeadKitty 3 жыл бұрын
I’m still confused of how the F did the daughter aged so fast compared to Black Widow. Shouldn’t she be like 15 at most ? She looked 25+
@CosmicGoku529
@CosmicGoku529 2 жыл бұрын
Black Widow was given her own Super Soldier Serum that slows her aging and gives immunity to disease and poisons. She is actually about as old as Captain America.
@TitanForcemax
@TitanForcemax 2 жыл бұрын
@@CosmicGoku529 that's in the comics. Theyve never explained that and until they do that's comic exclusive.
@realdavidjones1623
@realdavidjones1623 2 жыл бұрын
I think she should be like 19 not 15
@realdavidjones1623
@realdavidjones1623 2 жыл бұрын
The actress looked like she was in her 30s
@darkevilazn
@darkevilazn 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite parts of this movie, like most marvel movies, is the banter between the characters and their interactions. When they all finally meet together as a family, it was one of my favorite scenes in marvel movies. It was funny, deep, and very relatable. I'm pretty sure that scene alone is why I like the movie so much.
@pablofernandezortiz7460
@pablofernandezortiz7460 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how they butchered my boy, taskmaster.
@mariano98ify
@mariano98ify 3 жыл бұрын
now "he" is our girl.
@pablofernandezortiz7460
@pablofernandezortiz7460 3 жыл бұрын
@@mariano98ify yeah, you are right They butchered my girl, taskmaster!!!
@_hoops14_18
@_hoops14_18 3 жыл бұрын
The best part about taskmaster now is that “she” is referenced by loki and we didn’t even know
@DaScorpionSting
@DaScorpionSting 3 жыл бұрын
The stunt double was a guy
@jaredfisher-ramos7744
@jaredfisher-ramos7744 3 жыл бұрын
@@mariano98ify no he will forever be our boy
@vineetdesai6396
@vineetdesai6396 3 жыл бұрын
This film feels like a Origin film mix with a third film of a trilogy.
@cauaviniciusguedes2004
@cauaviniciusguedes2004 3 жыл бұрын
And an boring sequel lol
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 3 жыл бұрын
@@cauaviniciusguedes2004 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍. Too true
@thateverettguy2991
@thateverettguy2991 3 жыл бұрын
I think that is because it is trying to be an origin film but also relies our previous attachment to the universe to get the action down our throats
@michaelkarimian7538
@michaelkarimian7538 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly well said!
@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast
@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast 3 жыл бұрын
It's also trying to be Logan, but on a leash, and it has a deadline.
@eekeey
@eekeey 2 жыл бұрын
The Black Widow movie should have come out after the 1st Avengers movie, when hype for the character was at its highest
@darrenjames6753
@darrenjames6753 3 жыл бұрын
Marvel should hire this guy for movie screening tests...it'll be worth it
@darrenjames6753
@darrenjames6753 2 жыл бұрын
@Phoenix 𝙾𝚙𝚎𝚗 𝙼𝚢 PROFILE 😂😂😂😂
@darthsilversith667
@darthsilversith667 3 жыл бұрын
“Female Taskmaster is stronger than the male version in the comics!!” Yep.. so strong, you only got to play the character when they had their mask off and not doing any fighting 😂😂
@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667
@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667 3 жыл бұрын
Comic Taskmaster beat Agent Venom and Spider-Man. That's the only stence that I need to used against the movie taskmaster fans.
@HFyaboyewill
@HFyaboyewill 3 жыл бұрын
@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667 did that happen in the comics too? I remember ultimate spiderman animated series had an episode including that
@lild3838
@lild3838 3 жыл бұрын
The armor or suit was to heavy for her She said
@darthsilversith667
@darthsilversith667 3 жыл бұрын
@@lild3838 Of course it was lol
@Lord_TigerMan
@Lord_TigerMan 3 жыл бұрын
Who said that? I haven’t seen anyone say that, at least not seriously. I mean shit, nearly all the 616 version of the MCU characters are way more powerful, I think Black Widow even has some kind of variation of the super soldier serum in the comics.
@theelephantintheroom69
@theelephantintheroom69 3 жыл бұрын
We never found out why that first Widow got her hands on the red stuff that frees their mind and why she ran away rather than exposing the rest of the widows to it in the Red Room
@pats3212
@pats3212 2 жыл бұрын
They do kinda mention it, she was a widow one generation before Melina's, she got out bc the conditioning at the time wasnt as advanced, hence both Melina and Natasha not being lifelong widow puppets, this first widow actually worked on the red thing in order to free the new generation widows like Yelena whose conditionings were biochemical. It would have been nice to see who she was working with tho, bc it seemed like she was just doing it on her own and had no backup plan if she was ever found.
@quigonkenny
@quigonkenny 2 жыл бұрын
Yelena mailed it to her. It's not explained well.
@Sa_mageste_le_roi
@Sa_mageste_le_roi 6 ай бұрын
​@@quigonkenny Not Nat but the widow from the beginning, who freed Yelena
@prathapcharan
@prathapcharan 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine the movie being much more serious and in end Natasha just walking away with a new resolve after putting her past demons to rest with jason bourne's extreme ways playing in the background
@captainjakemerica4579
@captainjakemerica4579 2 жыл бұрын
The movie was serious da fuck you talking about and it had the comedy to ease the tension like any good drama movie
@higaiwokeru
@higaiwokeru 3 жыл бұрын
Taskmaster was soooo misused in this film How it’s just any other villain instead of a threat that can be around the corner who, after the first fight, knows your fighting style and won’t hesitate to put a bullet in your brain Comes like a bomb and disappears into the wind But no, Disney thinks EVERY villain MUST be sympathetic and a plot twist villain
@MabusParodies2nd
@MabusParodies2nd 3 жыл бұрын
"Movie wants to use the emotion of a dark topic without ever actually touching it" Sounds like a recurring issue in most MCU films. And other Disney films.
@mr.stuffdoer8483
@mr.stuffdoer8483 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, a lot of the MCU is willing to get into the dark topics. Stuff like Ragnarok just avoided actual drama by undercutting everything with jokes.
@madladdie7069
@madladdie7069 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Ragnarok pulled it off though, meanwhile something like WandaVision just...
@MabusParodies2nd
@MabusParodies2nd 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 And by "get into the dark topics" you mean "dip their fingers then run away"? Cause they sure as hell don't spend more than 1 minute talking about it before moving on to the next joke or CGI fest. Black Panther is by far the worst of them. They repeat the issue regarding black slavery and other related topics (though for some reason only the American problems are relevant somehow, just ignore the problems of 1 billion African people around Wakanda) throughout the film, and then they're like "we're gonna reveal Wakanda to the world and that will somewhat end racism or something", and then they build some apartments in Oakland (?) and then they all die in Infinity War, so they won't have to touch this topic for a few more films at least. It's superficial because there's no weight to their actions, no proper payoff, just the mention of a dark topic, then back to status quo. And hell, Killmonger's story could have been replaced by T'Challa seeing the bad racist stuff by himself instead of being told by someone else and it won't change much (not saying it should, I'm saying you could replace his backstory with something else and not change that much). But that would require Disney to actually touch on serious topics instead of just pretending they care for anything but our money.
@grahamstrouse1165
@grahamstrouse1165 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone’s got dead parents in Disney films but you you rarely see them die...
@GUURL101
@GUURL101 3 жыл бұрын
@Stuff the opening sequence gave me chills. Seeing those children taken by dreykov
@therealfilmnerd
@therealfilmnerd 3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for the movie to be more of a prequel where they talked about her before joining the avengers
@raidenstark315
@raidenstark315 3 жыл бұрын
Telling the story how she joined shield set before iron man 1
@therealfilmnerd
@therealfilmnerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@raidenstark315 yeah, that would’ve been a much better story
@raidenstark315
@raidenstark315 3 жыл бұрын
@@therealfilmnerd set during the famous mission in budapest in the early 2000's (a time the mcu hasn't explored yet) with hawkeye and nick fury as co-leads. Showing her life working for the red room, tellinh how she became good and a important asset to shield. Basically a shield vs red room story
@therealfilmnerd
@therealfilmnerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@raidenstark315 YES! I always wanted to see exactly what happened in Budapest and when she worked for the red room, you’ve got great ideas 👍
@raidenstark315
@raidenstark315 3 жыл бұрын
@@therealfilmnerd i always think on ways to improve plots
@alisterfolson
@alisterfolson 3 жыл бұрын
I love Filmento's editing techniques, always inventive and funny af
@StriderStryker
@StriderStryker 3 жыл бұрын
Got a weird feeling that the *Snake Eyes movie* will end up in *Filmento.*
@rodcab2973
@rodcab2973 3 жыл бұрын
My biggest grief with this movie, other than the pacing, was that they completely dropped the ball with Taskmaster and that Natasha is somehow made of vibranium: No wonder her character was killed off.
@captainjakemerica4579
@captainjakemerica4579 2 жыл бұрын
She wasn't fast and furius level invulnerable that's bullshit
@dragonheart1236
@dragonheart1236 2 жыл бұрын
@R Coffee he's referring to how Black Widow, a trained assassin but still regular human, takes ungodly amounts of punishment and just kinda walks it off, multiple times.
@Jollyroger84103
@Jollyroger84103 3 жыл бұрын
Can we just talk about how Taskmaster lost like, 40lbs after the gender-swap reveal?
@korawitbuttramee618
@korawitbuttramee618 3 жыл бұрын
They didn't even bother to hire a woman stunt double for Taskmaster. Look at how progressive and inclusive they are.
@Jollyroger84103
@Jollyroger84103 3 жыл бұрын
@@korawitbuttramee618 I mean, it's fucking Disney. You know, the same folks who had to hide black characters from posters in China? Progressiveness and inclusivity aren't exactly high up on their list of priorities.
@_02kaye
@_02kaye 3 жыл бұрын
@Impersonal Immigrant apparently it's the suit
@madladdie7069
@madladdie7069 3 жыл бұрын
@@_02kaye still doesn't help the fact that Natasha can keep up. they could have just told us all Widows are super soldiers. would have helped us believe the amount of damage she takes.
@RandomL0s3r
@RandomL0s3r 3 жыл бұрын
That suit might be extremely hot, like in one scene Taskmaster's mass is normal mass and in the final one before reveal it's actually built up sweat /s
@rlpsychology
@rlpsychology 3 жыл бұрын
Filmento never fails to be the most in-depth, insightful, and crystal clear analyst of a movie's story. Thank you.
@huckwalton2307
@huckwalton2307 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they had no problem showing Bucky’s demons on screen in Falcon and Winter Soldier, so we know Marvel trusts it’s audience enough to show their hero’s atrocious flaws.
@BSJINTHEHOUSE420
@BSJINTHEHOUSE420 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if they directed Black Widow the same as The Winter Soldier. That’s all we ever wanted.
@Jose-se9pu
@Jose-se9pu 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, they wanting to make "Winter Soldier with a female lead" was the first problem with this movie.
@siddharth_0771
@siddharth_0771 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine this movie by Russo bros
@uditvedantmishra9719
@uditvedantmishra9719 3 жыл бұрын
when u look at it the movie is quite similar to winter soldier just worse- an antagonist from the hero's past who's been brainwashed, third act takes place in a flying fortress, the hero breaks through to the antagonist with the power of friendship (here chemicals) and even the introductory scene with task master feels like the winter soldier attacking nick fury scene
@albumkosong
@albumkosong 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly it isn't Russo bros
@N3c777
@N3c777 3 жыл бұрын
@@uditvedantmishra9719 and because of many reasons it completely lacked the same emotion as Captain America 2.
@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224
@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing about Natasha's background was really disappointing. No explanation how she escaped the Widows or what she was forced to do while she was there. They went from her as a child to her already being with Shield. After setting up her backstory in Winter Soldier, you would think they would elaborate in her solo film.
@el_killorcure
@el_killorcure 3 жыл бұрын
They didn't because: 1. It would be R rated if realistic (think Red Sparrow with Jennifer Lawrence). 2. It would make her too unlikeable (assasin).
@ev1lbolt174
@ev1lbolt174 3 жыл бұрын
@@el_killorcure she’s an assassin that has remorse of her past, that’s kinda the point.
@el_killorcure
@el_killorcure 3 жыл бұрын
@@ev1lbolt174 Which is rendered moot by all the innocent people they kill at the prison without a second thought (inmates, guards, management, secretaries, etc).
@GUURL101
@GUURL101 3 жыл бұрын
@@el_killorcure I agree. Marvel tried to make this a fun movie for kids so they didn't get too dark because of that.
@julianatorquato7796
@julianatorquato7796 2 жыл бұрын
1) agree with the replies 2) this movie was NOT about Natasha. It was about Yelena so it wouldn't matter.
@RealRitesh
@RealRitesh 3 жыл бұрын
The build up thing you explained so simply to me who doesn't know anything about movie making still understands how the movie could have been 100× better just by simple screenplay change is just awesome
@drew.-
@drew.- 3 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel and I'm loving it so far. Great film analysis with stupid edits and memes thrown in- what's not to love
@matiasfpm
@matiasfpm 2 жыл бұрын
Hi , brother😎👍
@fredriddles1763
@fredriddles1763 3 жыл бұрын
I felt like the movie was having an identity crisis between being a spy thriller and an action movie. It would have been a lot better if they hadn't been looking for excuses to have CGI in it, and I say that as someone who loves cool CGI moments.
@maxdrags3115
@maxdrags3115 3 жыл бұрын
No it wasn't, you are just stupid. Not every spy movie has to be super secretive. Furthermore, fi you weren't so simple minded, then you'd realize that it was BOTH.
@emmanuel1547
@emmanuel1547 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxdrags3115 You seem to be a fun stable person.
@notashark5189
@notashark5189 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxdrags3115 "Not every spy movie has to be super secretive" If you took a n IQ test, your score would be negative
@maxdrags3115
@maxdrags3115 3 жыл бұрын
@@notashark5189 Funny coming from the stupid kid who can't understand what I am saying. Even having a negative IQ is better then having no IQ at all, you'd know that kid.
@PeterGriffin11
@PeterGriffin11 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxdrags3115 Last time I checked movies don't determine someone's IQ especially if the movie in question is a Marvel movie.
@keanuxu5435
@keanuxu5435 3 жыл бұрын
Black Widow: “Who are you?” Captain America: The Winter Soldier: “I’m you, but better.”
@imasuperhero1351
@imasuperhero1351 3 жыл бұрын
The best MCU movie on my list
@justsomeguywithabeard8467
@justsomeguywithabeard8467 3 жыл бұрын
@@imasuperhero1351 all cap' films are legendary well except captain America :the first avenger it was goo d
@ziad3077
@ziad3077 3 жыл бұрын
@@justsomeguywithabeard8467 yea it's the only trilogy I can think of that (in my opinion) gets better with every installment
@fartfast4834
@fartfast4834 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely better than black widow never mind every character is better than her
@kedrprao
@kedrprao 3 жыл бұрын
Wayyyyyy Better. Cap WS still best MCU movie
@zitagirl1
@zitagirl1 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just surprised how casually Taskmaster could walk into the Metro 3 underground. The streets behind the Parliament I can understand, as it's one of the more quiet parts of Budapest, but the Western Railway Station is the opposite and usually crowded, including the the metro 3 there. No way people would just casually not even notice Taskmaster.
@colbunkmust
@colbunkmust 3 жыл бұрын
The worst part about this film was the reveal that the Red Room was a giant hovering installation. Like, yeah, no one will find it because no one looks up into the sky and there aren't hundreds of civilian and government satellites across the planet with cameras that can see this giant base. Let's not even mention the energy bill that base runs. One of the biggest immersion breaks of the MCU.
@colbunkmust
@colbunkmust 2 жыл бұрын
@Azaria Miah did you replay to the right comment?
@freedompancakes301
@freedompancakes301 3 жыл бұрын
I also think making the daughter mind controlled really ruins her character, because if anyone should have motivation to kill Natasha, it’s her. She’s already established to be different than the Widows, and is the daughter of the main villain. Not to mention that would explain why she’s not afraid to risk being exposed to the public or attacking an Avenger because she’s not motivated by hiding in the shadows and helping the Red Room, but getting revenge. Or they could just keep her as a sad mind controlled puppet with no character or motivations of her own. Which one do you think is better?
@TheApoke
@TheApoke 3 жыл бұрын
Wow yeah that's actually such a good point
@joshuagraham2843
@joshuagraham2843 3 жыл бұрын
i prefer the revenge it made totally sense the whole mind controlling daughter is so bad, if he cared about her daughte rhe should have love her like father and daughter she could have been bigger role but ended up as a good guy in the end just like ghost from ant man 2 like wtf marvel?!?!? this aint steven universe like black widow saying “hey everyone she says sorry” wtf? female taskmaster is like spinel broken angry wanted revenge and later redeemed 🤬
@thanglongnguyenvu3815
@thanglongnguyenvu3815 3 жыл бұрын
They wanted to make a plot twist lol. A shocking revelation: the masked character was....the villain's daughter. Seriously, why not just make Taskmaster as who he originally was...Or, they could've used another character, even making up an original character ffs. They really used Taskmaster's character and the only detail of him they used was his ability to mimic fighting styles.
@treynewtod9743
@treynewtod9743 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly thought that the mind control cure wouldn’t work on her cause she wasn’t mind controlled, but they missed out on a fairly good opportunity to keep widow as a good guy it seems
@lunerblade13
@lunerblade13 3 жыл бұрын
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 a better plot twist would be to have the taskmaster character be hit by the red dust and a few seconds later when you think the conflict has resolved taskmaster continues fighting showing the personal vendetta hidden beneath the conditioning. But no a female can’t possibly have a personal antagonistic vendetta only males possess that quality.
@gineppro
@gineppro 3 жыл бұрын
okay but like can we please give this man a medal for the editing?
@Talia.777
@Talia.777 3 жыл бұрын
Ofc, 🏅🏅🏅😊
@fartfast4834
@fartfast4834 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@goldenkirby21
@goldenkirby21 3 жыл бұрын
Watching your videos is like art man thankyou for this channel :)
@Sofia-gp5og
@Sofia-gp5og 2 жыл бұрын
I love it when you rewrite or improve scenes (<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="463">7:43</a>) I learn so much from you
@memeempire4931
@memeempire4931 3 жыл бұрын
While the Pheromone plot is silly,the solution gets sillier.The Fact that Natasha severed her olfactory nerve(By smashing her nose lol),means she would never be able to smell anything the rest of her life
@werewolfgirl1995
@werewolfgirl1995 3 жыл бұрын
I thought that too when I watched the movie
@carakelra
@carakelra 3 жыл бұрын
She could shoot him from a far
@shadowraven137
@shadowraven137 3 жыл бұрын
@@carakelra they movied it by saying they needed to see the operating tablet/interface doodad. Would've prefered in-nose nose-plugs with her playing along until she found it. Or having the chip installed in her by her "mother" and having that sense disabled.
@fidato_
@fidato_ 3 жыл бұрын
I she has super healing?
@wjzav1971
@wjzav1971 3 жыл бұрын
She could just return with a breathing mask or something. Hell, she could have just put tape on her nose, this pheromon fail-save seems incredibly weak and easy to circumvent.
@nell5314
@nell5314 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I feel discontent in films I'm watching, Filmento never disappoints in explaining to me why I felt that way. Movie was fun at first, but it all became just noise at the end part.
@segaspice4062
@segaspice4062 3 жыл бұрын
He failed me, I was discontent with Spider-Man Far From Home but he praises the film even though the flaws are apparent
@only1kingz
@only1kingz 3 жыл бұрын
@@segaspice4062 that's just one take of many someone could take. I think it's fair to not expect a commentator to touch on everything you want (especially since there are things to really like and dislike about far from home).
@darinstgeorge
@darinstgeorge 3 жыл бұрын
Feelings are complex at a minimum; that’s why when you “don’t feel them when you’re supposed to,” it can be difficult to understand why…I feel the exact same way about films sometimes, and these videos always express my feelings perfectly and succinctly!
@adarshkrishna6434
@adarshkrishna6434 3 жыл бұрын
Yo this is the exact same feeling I had. I really liked the dark and gritty tone at the beginning. I was thinking, "wait, is MCU actually making serious films". After a while, I started thinking, this should have been a lot better if it was rated R. By the end of the film..., I was like "naa, its just another MCU film". After finishing the film, "it does not have any re-watchability".
@Bariom_dome
@Bariom_dome 2 жыл бұрын
When the power generator died, I felt tension because I was expecting enemies to come out at any moment. When the missile hit the car, that was totally unexpected for me. But, I agree with what you're saying; there was a lack of proper buildup in the whole movie
@noahkim7617
@noahkim7617 3 жыл бұрын
I like the term 'MCU enslavement' that you used to describe Marvel's current situation. Instead of the idea of existing in the same universe, the MCU has become so codependent with one another. I like the new forms that they are utilizing to tell their stories(sitcoms, spy films) but it just feels like they can't get out of the grasps of the Avengers and the Infinity Saga. Maybe I'm kinda butthurt because they made Spiderman, Ironman 2.0, but that's how I feel about the post-Endgame MCU. I just wish they could make more movies that stand strong on their own.
@vrolijk9865
@vrolijk9865 3 жыл бұрын
I thought this would be called "How to fail at The Winter Soldier"
@dendi9883
@dendi9883 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah this film is similliar to winter soldier but worst
@Tyler_W
@Tyler_W 3 жыл бұрын
You know they mjght need to do a better job with their writing hires when they have to resort to homaging their own films from less than a decade ago. Great, make a spy thriller like that older movie, but have the balls to try to do something different and genuinely interesting.
@jarektempleton2104
@jarektempleton2104 3 жыл бұрын
Could be an alternate title, honestly.
@PermanentHigh
@PermanentHigh 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. Except Winter Soldier actually felt like sone spy stuff was happening, and it took itself seriously. Black Widow was trash because it followed the typical Marvel formula of being a comedy movie.
@lpk6372
@lpk6372 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tyler_W This was a soy movie? How was this in the spy movie genre??
@johnlarson1793
@johnlarson1793 3 жыл бұрын
“Little girls are forced to become slave super soldiers through lifetimes of physical, psychological and emotional force, much like Bucky Barnes. We get a tie-in to the MCI without beating us up over it. Cool! So we’re gonna get a compelling story about women fighting against their conditioning while illustrating through their conflict that life isn’t black and white but shades of grey. A great metaphor reinforced by the greys shown at the start of the movie. Looks good! I am in!” *Sees how a lifetime of conditioning gets erased by a plume of magical red pixie dust.* “…what…the…actual…fuck….”
@cristela4034
@cristela4034 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Winter Soldier did it first and so much better. This movie could have been a chance to show us the trauma these kinda characters endured which was something not shown in Winter Soldier, we just saw the consequences, but instead we got a intro montage and a copy/paste of Winter Soldier. So much wasted potential.
@azalakhir918
@azalakhir918 3 жыл бұрын
that really sounds like clones in star wars doesnt it?
@themcmexchange2938
@themcmexchange2938 3 жыл бұрын
Waited 10 Years for a mediocre film, the only thing I liked about it was Natasha and Yelena's relationship the opening and prologue everything else was halfassed.
@joshuagraham2843
@joshuagraham2843 3 жыл бұрын
sooo….red room exists why didnt hydra send for help or hire them from the first place?
@ivanmarquez2218
@ivanmarquez2218 3 жыл бұрын
They could have also played off that the Superheroes aren't that big of a Superheroes, like yeah, they defeat the big gigantic space invaders, but where is their organization and commitment to stop something like the Red Room. Could've shown off all the black widows being bitter againts the whole Avengers and SHIELD organization, because in a universe where literal Gods exists, they just turned a blind eye because of their petty personal squabbles and basically allowed a tonelade of little girls to be kidnapped and indoctrinated. We could go deeper into the weight of morality and responsability or something like that, but... Nah. Let's joke about Black Widow's pose when landing.
@starkravingmad31
@starkravingmad31 3 жыл бұрын
I thought BW was entertaining enough, but man, it had some insanely groan-worthy flaws. I don't understand how people can't hold both views simultaneously, and rage one way or the other on everything. It's not that hard to enjoy something and still critique it, or not enjoy something and still understand its value.
@D3th10rd
@D3th10rd 2 жыл бұрын
"The Worst Sin you can commit is by telling the audience something they already know." Kingdom Hearts: "I'm already four parallel universes ahead of you."
@asc3nded397
@asc3nded397 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t really like the movie all to much. The pacing was really weird, the main villain was weak, Taskmaster was woefully mishandled and underused, and the movie felt fairly generic and pointless.
@ravenspurplebeats5412
@ravenspurplebeats5412 3 жыл бұрын
most of task master scene's is the male stunt double doing all flips and fighting, only part female actor did was wear suite for few minutes and take off the mask to make it look like she did all the work when she did nothing would been better keeping male stunt double as main task master actor.
@joshuagraham2843
@joshuagraham2843 3 жыл бұрын
paying 30 dollar movie while pirate movie saves your money from bad movie use that money for good movies
@Waterbug1591
@Waterbug1591 3 жыл бұрын
This goes to show that a woman director isn't good at directing a movie let alone handle a guy's comic book thing. There's 0 sex appeal in the movie, only some half-assed family struggle story with a tired-looking gassed out dad bod mixed in with a bunch of nonsensical spyish blah lahlah bs...she didn't realize that a crucial part of black widow was her sexuality. This movie is just a bunch of female trying to become men and it's yuck.
@jaypeterson1324
@jaypeterson1324 3 жыл бұрын
@@Waterbug1591 aaaaand we had to bring that in. End of the day it was just a mishandled movie, why are they “pretending to be men”, cause girls can’t be in that place? It was already set up in the COMICS ffs that the Widows are on par with your average cookie cutter action bro, why is it a deal now? And please give a panel showing how her sexuality is a key part of Natashas character and not the fact that she’s literally a rogue defector from possibly the most well-trained assassin organizations.
@user-gk6nt5gi5n
@user-gk6nt5gi5n 3 жыл бұрын
@@Waterbug1591 I don't think sex appeal had anything to do with the film missing something
@sergeantmacnuggets1132
@sergeantmacnuggets1132 3 жыл бұрын
Black Widow literally fall like 70 feet, get ragdoll inside a car explosion, get beat up by 20 assassins and fighting in the air with debris falling and then survive with a minor injury and small wounds
@sadev101
@sadev101 3 жыл бұрын
and i went jogging for the second time in a week after not having jogged for 2 years. , tripped and broke my ribs. these things movie heroes survive these days with hardly a scratch is getting insane
@liynne
@liynne 3 жыл бұрын
its because mcu has failed for 10 years to tell nat has a version of the super serum in her. like in the comics.
@liynne
@liynne 3 жыл бұрын
@@sadev101 nat has a not so high version of the super serum. just mcu are dumb at not adressing it.
@sadev101
@sadev101 3 жыл бұрын
@@liynne oh ok did not know that fact tnx
@pastordonkoh7692
@pastordonkoh7692 3 жыл бұрын
MCU soyboys can't handle it. Between the cringy jokes and feats go figure
@TeddyLove01
@TeddyLove01 2 жыл бұрын
After rewatching the movie I can see where the ball was dropped. 1. This movie should’ve came out in between infinity war and endgame 2. Everything he just said 3. The plot hole about if he was in the room when the bomb went off
@chancecam9397
@chancecam9397 2 жыл бұрын
These clips makes me realize how easily action sequences can be edited as slapstick comedy
@Gardetrace
@Gardetrace 3 жыл бұрын
This movie was like a flashback filler episode of Naruto. There's no reason for this movie to have not been released before Infinity War. This was the best they could do for a sendoff to Black Widow? Marvel really fucked up on that one.
@k2red648
@k2red648 3 жыл бұрын
Plz Don t insult naruto
@nateofthesevenhills
@nateofthesevenhills 3 жыл бұрын
I second that... Please don't Insult the filler episodes of Naruto...
@mistercat5300
@mistercat5300 3 жыл бұрын
It does actually, it introduce the Iron Maiden, Red soldier, and Yelena and Valintine and then the Widows will be used in many organizations plus I have a theory the current Task Master will be the Mother of the Taskmaster in the Comics since Task Master is Spidy enemy. If this came before for sure this is amazing.
@bashengatheblackmanta7003
@bashengatheblackmanta7003 3 жыл бұрын
Wbat marvel should have done is keep spiderman far from home as the start of phase 4 and have black widow fill its place in phase 3. I like the movie
@argo9721
@argo9721 3 жыл бұрын
@@mistercat5300 I guess but that's literally only set up
@marcioeduardogenez50
@marcioeduardogenez50 3 жыл бұрын
What upsets me is that the inner demons plot was done almost perfectly in Bucky's story in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Here she was ok with the fact she killed a little innocent girl, but only when she finds out the girl was actually alive she starts feeling guilty. What the hell?!?
@ivanagustinortiz5237
@ivanagustinortiz5237 3 жыл бұрын
It could've work if she was telling herself the girl was collateral damage but actually feeling tortured by that memory, to then when she has to face that demon she realizes that running from it and lying to yourself is not the way to go, but the *movie handles it really poorly and it feels rushed
@thebatman.
@thebatman. 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they definitely should’ve lingered on her trauma more. Age of Ultron did more for that than Natasha’s own movie :/
@marcioeduardogenez50
@marcioeduardogenez50 3 жыл бұрын
@@thebatman. I couldn't agree more. Age of Ultron may have its own mistakes, but it did so much better in showing Natasha's past, mostly because the atmosphere was way better there.
@Sa_mageste_le_roi
@Sa_mageste_le_roi 6 ай бұрын
My main problem with the movie is that it's bad at retribution. Natasha and Yelena forgave their parents way to easily, they sold them out and there was barely any mistrust or anger. Also the fact that Dreykov's daughter had no animosity towards Natasha for ruining her life
@obenohnebohne
@obenohnebohne 2 жыл бұрын
Your changes/suggestions are so much better. Thanks for being on point.
@magic75450
@magic75450 3 жыл бұрын
The first act is great, but it declines from there. The 3rd act especially takes the movie down. Multiple "we had a secret plan all along" moments that reduce the tension, generic villain, bland final fight with a building falling from the sky.... It also makes Natasha's arc in Endgame feel lesser than it was, because the Avengers aren't her only family. She had Yelena, her "parents" and a group of 20 Widows. No way all of them got dusted in the snap.
@nevinnful
@nevinnful 3 жыл бұрын
If marvel can conveniently keep all original avengers alive after the snap, why can't they dust those 3 ppl from black widow?? She only met the other widows once. I don't know much that makes a person family
@magic75450
@magic75450 3 жыл бұрын
@@nevinnful I can get it if the 3 people get dusted, that's somehow statistically realistic. But then it also seems like they expect us to believe that all 20 Widows got dusted as well, and that's where it becomes statistically unbelievable. Because if even a few Widows survived the snap, then Natasha would've had another group she can go to and belong. EDIT: Yes, she only met the Widows once, but she's basically their inspiration. Considering in Endgame she's desperate to have Captain Marvel and Rocket around, heroes she never met, you'd think having a group of people that look up to her would be where she decides to go.
@nevinnful
@nevinnful 3 жыл бұрын
@@magic75450 first of all, the widows were never her family. Even if someone from those widows survived, who is to say she didn't send few of them for different missions in those 5 years? Showing them on screen in endgame is just gonna spoil the ending of black widow movie. I agree black widow wasn't great but here you are just nitpicking too much!
@thehobbyist7275
@thehobbyist7275 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. After this movie, it really showed how insignificant Black Widow's arc was in the MCU. The first act had me exckted- "Oh shit, we might actually get darker moments in an MCU movie. This's gonna be different. " Nope. As much as I hate this criticism, this movie proves at least for now, things are getting formulaic. The reason I got attached to the MCU wasn't because of the levity and humor, it was the sentimental character moments. The moments I felt loss, anxiety, and cried for this characters. Black Widow and Taskmaster feel wasted. Also, the movie didn't really play a significant role into anything whether it be for a post-Endgame world like the shows or create the Dark Origin that creates sympathy and allows us to feel proud of how far Natasha has come. WandaVision made Infinity War hurt more. Helped me realize just how much I was misunderstanding Wanda. Her relationship with Vision tops Cap and Peggy because of it. I understand that Marvel is family-friendly, but I think most people who watch are ready for more mature themes like grief, racism in our society, or something that relates with us. I still have hope as things are moving forward with the MCU, but this isn't a great Phase 4 movie start if you ask me
@magic75450
@magic75450 3 жыл бұрын
@@nevinnful It still makes it feel less impactful. Like the line, "did she have family? she had us". That doesn't mean much now because she actually has a family. And now Hawekye being in trouble because of Natasha feels like she didn't really sacrifice herself to help him.
@CthulhuTheory
@CthulhuTheory 3 жыл бұрын
I've been saying this since I saw it: the movie starts great but fails to stick the landing. It's not bad, but it's not nearly as good as it *could have* been
@joshuagraham2843
@joshuagraham2843 3 жыл бұрын
black widow is like the incredible but with bad plot
@racool911
@racool911 3 жыл бұрын
Actually I disagree. I thought the first half was kinda eh but the second half was pretty good
@jither
@jither 3 жыл бұрын
I too wondered why there was something missing in this movie and when I watched this video - it finally came to me! I enjoy your commentaries! New subscriber here!
@schokolaalytk336
@schokolaalytk336 3 жыл бұрын
As a hobby-writer, I really do appreciate your videos, they help a lot
@florrie2303
@florrie2303 3 жыл бұрын
The main problem wasn’t the film or the concept of the film, or even the story. The problem was this. There were no actual stakes. Everyone knew that Black Widow wasn’t in any real danger because Infinity War. Also they didn’t give us any red herring’s as to who was actually behind the Red Room. It was this guy…no he’s dead…no actually it is this guy. Let’s get this guy. So no suspense from that angle too. This wasn’t a bad film. It was just made and released about 4 yrs too late. It they had made this straight after Civil War, then it would’ve been better because no one would’ve known the outcome. That is why it doesn’t work as a thriller. It does work as an action/adventure film. It’s a good film, but not a great film, like Winter Soldier was.
@Chrissy717
@Chrissy717 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, there are rumours out there that instead of Cpt Marvel, Black Widow should have been the movie between Infinity War and Endgame. This gets super clear to me especially after seeing the last scene with the Avengers Jet and her hair being blond. If that would have been the last thing we saw in the MCU we would have felt different about her in Endgame. It wouldn't have made the movie itself better, but as you said. We know she dies in Endgame, so what's the point?
@florrie2303
@florrie2303 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chrissy717 Even if it was shown between Infinity War and Endgame it still wouldn’t’ve made a difference as everyone would know that Black Widow was in no real danger because she was in infinity war. There were no real stakes in this movie which is why it couldn’t work as a thriller. If this had been made immediately after Civl War, and they had thrown a few red herrings in about who was actually behind the Red Room, it would’ve worked well as a thriller, because no one would’ve known the outcome. As it was every one knew that she would survive, because she was in infinity war. End of. No stakes. Done.
@Chrissy717
@Chrissy717 3 жыл бұрын
@@florrie2303 yeah, I understand that part. But at least we wouldn't have known how Black Widow as a character would "end" in the MCU. I agree that right after Civil War it would have made the most sense, but even between Endgame and Infinity War it would have been a nice flashback. But after Endgame we simply said good bye. No more Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow, time to move on. I'm not saying placing the solo movie right between these giant blockbusters makes the most sense, but it would definitely have made Black Widows death a lot for meaningful (but yes, this doesn't help the solo film, I know).
@georgesikorski9891
@georgesikorski9891 3 жыл бұрын
You can still craft a prequel with high stakes though. Even if we know the ending, it's still possible to make it so in the moment we wonder how they make it out alive. Hell, even in most movies we know for sure that the hero is not just going to die, but some are so good at, just for a second, giving us a glimmer of doubt.
@AlanJia8
@AlanJia8 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh I don't think knowing someone's going to live takes away that much tension, as you pretty much know one of the main characters in a long running series is nearly guaranteed to survive anyways.
@MrPatoPotato
@MrPatoPotato 3 жыл бұрын
“We need a strong assassin and a Russian mob boss” “How about a X-Men Origins Deadpool and and Englishman?” “Good enough”
@jackjackson2605
@jackjackson2605 3 жыл бұрын
“We need a strong assassin and a Russian mob boss” "How about a horrible reminder of Natasha's past and Russian Harvey Weinstein?" "Won't young white boys on the internet be angry?" "F*** 'em"
@fnordiumendures138
@fnordiumendures138 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackjackson2605 And that's the most important thing about making a movie: sticking it to white boys.
@vadimpanov2285
@vadimpanov2285 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackjackson2605 "Reminder of Natasha's past" that doesn't even have a fucking personality. It would've been so much better if she was an actual person. Then it would be a lot more emotional. And this "mastermind villain" is just a fat white dude that can only talk shit. He is not even threat.
@Zeddyboi86
@Zeddyboi86 2 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="220">3:40</a>. HARRY!!!!!!! It’s so good to see you on a completely unrelated channel and video!!! :)
@F-Khan491
@F-Khan491 3 жыл бұрын
This channel has best movie analyses... gold content man. subscribed !
@glorygloryholeallelujah
@glorygloryholeallelujah 3 жыл бұрын
*Stranger things season 1* was *more than capable* of making the audience understand the abject horror of stealing/experimenting on little kids-without making it gory and keeping it “suitable” for a younger audience.
@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224
@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224 3 жыл бұрын
Taskmasters introduction was so forced. The box with the antidote was literally sitting in an empty trailer for idk how long but as soon as Natasha shows up now all of a sudden they come for it.
@tonymaximilian3551
@tonymaximilian3551 2 жыл бұрын
The widows started using the antidote so then BW came to look for Yelena, hence Taskmaster.
@syamhc
@syamhc 2 жыл бұрын
Seen most of your videos and this is the best analysis by far!!! I saw the movie, liked it, even enjoyed watching it, but after the movie was over I cudnt find anything worth memorable.. And you spotted the right reasons for it! Great job
@tigerprince8712
@tigerprince8712 3 жыл бұрын
OMG WHEN U PUT THE CLIP OF THE DOG QUESTION IN BOURNE. My goodness the foreboding in that scene made your skin crawl. Paul greengrass is a legend.
@iphito7539
@iphito7539 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Taskmasker used the face changing mask. It would create a sense of dread. You don’t know who or where she is and you don’t know how she could kill you. It could be anyone doing basic everyday things. A pizza delivery guy could have placed a bomb at the doorstep of the house you just walked by. And it would make the reveal of the mother having these masks so much more tense. You could have a member of the family be abducted and Taskmasker posing as them. I don’t know anything about writing, so I am not trying to say that I could have done it any better. I think that the movie is pretty good, but I was a bit let down, because of the wait.
@cameronmcguire5025
@cameronmcguire5025 3 жыл бұрын
OMG yes! This idea made me stop scrolling, someone who can mimic people's actions/mannerisms (and even in the comics, sound like them) just by watching them for a few minutes now can also look like them? I'd sign up for that
@hans10yearsago6
@hans10yearsago6 3 жыл бұрын
That’d actually make a real terrifying villain damn
@rhetiq9989
@rhetiq9989 3 жыл бұрын
You just described a sound concept for Secret Invasion and I'm all for it
@georgesikorski9891
@georgesikorski9891 3 жыл бұрын
No no, you've got a point
@iamgroot2810
@iamgroot2810 3 жыл бұрын
I am glad they brought back the face swap mask in TFATWS.
@MrFour4th
@MrFour4th 3 жыл бұрын
Marvel formula : serious-jokes- fighting-jokes-sad-jokes-end fight-jokes-jokes -jokes-end
@mr.stuffdoer8483
@mr.stuffdoer8483 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, that’s just Thor Ragnarok. Also I wouldn’t consider it an issue with most characters, as joking and banter is in their nature.
@supoa9489
@supoa9489 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 No it's not just Thor 3 MCU is a mostly a jokefest.
@everythingisawesome2903
@everythingisawesome2903 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Joking is human nature, yes but they shouldn't joke much every five seconds that it's even taking you out of the goddamn movie, even when there is a freaking serious scene is going on, just to be ruined by with a cringeworthy joke. Joking should be like toppings on icecream, not the whole icecream itself.
@War624
@War624 2 жыл бұрын
@@everythingisawesome2903 Literally when Asgard is destroyed and Korg makes a joke two seconds later.
@robbiethompson5800
@robbiethompson5800 10 ай бұрын
Thanks this is probably one of your best videos
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