Filmmaker Michelle Latimer receives backlash for Indigenous ancestry controversy | The Social

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3 жыл бұрын

The Globe and Mail has an interview with filmmaker Michelle Latimer, who was behind the now cancelled CBC show 'Trickster', and came under fire after questions arose about her claimed heritage, and ties to the Kitigan Zibi Nation. Latimer commissioned a genealogical report that proves her Indigenous ancestry, but there's been backlash from people who say ancestral ties and lived experience are two different things.
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@somena
@somena 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 60s scoop. I spent 5 years looking for my family -- Found them 20 years ago, came home to live in my community, raised my son in the community... I have learned some of my language and some of my culture over the last 20 years... I can tell you that, 20 years ago... NOBODY wanted to be indigenous... It wasn't something that was considered prestigious or that opened many doors. I totally understand that things have changed in the last few years, where there's been a real shift in attitudes... But it wasn't this way when I was growing up.
@lindajones8101
@lindajones8101 8 ай бұрын
But you know as a white person who was in my 20s in the 1970s I remember how being native became glorified by white people. I even remember that a lot of us including me wore headbands around our heads. People have wondered if Buffy just realized SHE would be glorified. Quite early on it is claimed in newspaper articles thatshe was making tons more money as a folk singer, who was supposedly indigenous. I have been looking at some of her older interviews with hindsight and then one she stated bluntly that she made tons of money in the 1960s. Must be true because she also stated that in the 1960s which would’ve been early in her career she was able to buy her land in Hawaii.
@somena
@somena 8 ай бұрын
@@lindajones8101 Where I was growing up -- NOBODY was Glorifying Indians.... Sorry. That came later. In the 80s at college. And only if you LOOKED like an Indian. Try BEING one... and not looking like it. Then you understand my story. When I was growing up, I was made fun of for being native... I was told that my birthmother was a prostitute... There was no glorifying of being native if you lived in the places I lived in.
@beverleyjohnstone2045
@beverleyjohnstone2045 8 ай бұрын
There was no glorified by white people if you where native back then ,that did not come until the late 90s .It was really recognized until 4 years ago when people were learning about residential schools
@hooliganlexx
@hooliganlexx 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sick of people lying about their heritage to feel special. This lady is seriously sick
@lindajones8101
@lindajones8101 8 ай бұрын
I think she’s a Narcissist with no emotional empathy for anyone.
@HoundTor
@HoundTor Жыл бұрын
Having a single ancestor born 200+ years ago does not make you indigenous.
@user-ck2hr5vn8e
@user-ck2hr5vn8e 2 ай бұрын
Can you explain why?
@marygrant8715
@marygrant8715 Жыл бұрын
I think Candy's analogy to an able-bodied person taking a parking space designated for a disabled person is great but could be even more precise--when a person takes it not only for the benefit it provides, but justifying it based on having had a disabled ancestor 😆.
@dplj4428
@dplj4428 8 ай бұрын
It's discouraging to hear that lived heritage might discourage people searching to discover all of their biological ancestry, their whole history, not just idigenous. Just wanting to know the whole of themselves. Ironic for me that some of my known generatiins since late 1800s spell our last name 5 different ways.
@EMVelez
@EMVelez 8 ай бұрын
The little kid at the bottom of the screen the whole time killed me 😂😂 2:13 3:59
@Indigenous-quay
@Indigenous-quay 7 ай бұрын
I forgot about adoptees. If you cannot find ties do a DNA test.
@staciestacie1327
@staciestacie1327 3 жыл бұрын
CBC is notorious for canceling shows at random. This is why I am no longer watching or streaming CBC. Even in a issue with one member of a full production? Replace her. Period
@fionaokeefe1906
@fionaokeefe1906 3 жыл бұрын
They canceled Trickster on the WB as well! They should’ve made the show about Michelle or at least had her to play the Trickster😏
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 8 ай бұрын
I don't like CBC at all. They SHOULD have contacted the 60s Scoop survivor community and let them know about the Buffy story, and given them space to comment. Instead, they essentially kicked a hornets nest into the community and then scuttled away gleefully watching the painful fallout and collecting rage-clicks. 😢🤬
@staciestacie1327
@staciestacie1327 3 жыл бұрын
Many children of mixed heritage go into their geological and biological makeup, to earn a living when they grow up. Especially but not limited in the very rich, and artistical Indigenous cultures. An aspiring artsy producer? Candy, the parking space for person's with disabilities analogy is, so very much and sadly, on point.
@HoundTor
@HoundTor Жыл бұрын
People with remote ancestors are not mixed race! Not even mixed heritage!
@UncleAnaesthesia
@UncleAnaesthesia 3 жыл бұрын
She is not a registered member of the nation. Period.
@mambaman9363
@mambaman9363 3 жыл бұрын
Canadian society becomes complex when people have to strive to prove their genealogy on racial grounds in order to do what they are good at without criticism. The good lady doesn’t look indigenous as do many other officially classified First Nations people. Systemic racism becomes entrenched in wider community interactions with this outlook. Heaven forbid the advocating of a tribal apartheid society?
@Rupert_Common
@Rupert_Common 3 жыл бұрын
Dan, I think you may be missing the point. Although yes, I agree that "looking First Nations" can be a problematic view point as many folks are mixed, this is actually not the conversation going on. People ACCEPTED Latimer on her word that she was Indigenous, including Indigenous people themselves. It is the fact that she claimed a distinct community that no one can confirm is true, combined with the fact that the ancestor she is connected to is from 100s of years ago. her ties, if any, to Indigineity are so distant, that she and all of her family have never experienced life as actual Indigenous people. And for the record, Canada is the one who implemented an Apartheid with the Indian act in 1865 which S.A. then copied as a blueprint, so saying that Indigenous people protecting their identity is asking for an apartheid is a huge misinterpretation of what's going on.
@sr2291
@sr2291 8 ай бұрын
Indigenous isn't just Native American.
@beverleyjohnstone2045
@beverleyjohnstone2045 10 ай бұрын
I am 60 scoop Survivor and my family from residential school day school .The impact that this has caused status natives has been traumatized for generation and still even today. I myself find it very disrespectful for anyone to claims indigenous just because they found they had someone generations back native blood .These pretenidains really do beleive they are indigenous in order to take what is not rightfully theirs to take claim by stealing our culture for profit / claiming jobs/ School bursaries scholarships from those who are indigenous. Anyway I see this we are still looking to the ones to did the damage in the first place by allowing them to even allow this self identity indigenous
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 8 ай бұрын
Exactly, well said!
@bread2246
@bread2246 6 ай бұрын
This is very confusing to me . I never knew my indigenous ancestry but my blood test showed I’m 75% indigenous. Yet, growing up I feel like I faced racism’s due to this . Even though I did not know my own race or what I was mixed with . The other percentage are 10 Spanish , 8 percent black , Jewish , and the other Mediterranean blood . This is very mind boggling to me .
@Artocrat8
@Artocrat8 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed something but I thought Melissa asked a very good question about kids taken away from family & community and put in Residential Schools ...I'm not sure Candy answered the question...in fact, I was confused by much of what Candy said...I did appreciate the baby/bathwater comment tho...
@Rupert_Common
@Rupert_Common 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Candy states at the beginning she does entire day workshops on this topic, so maybe you were confused because the subject is so vast and "nuanced". Also, I don't think Residential schools were brought up, it was the 60s scoop and the foster care system that was referenced. This is a different situation which involves Indigenous children being removed from their homes by the government and raised by white families instead, thus, separating them from their culture. This, by the way, is not even close to the Latimer story. She was not born into an Indigenous community, nor is she from Indigenous parents. Her claims to being Indigenous date back to a single ancestor from the 1700s, I believe. Candy alludes to this when she mentions having some % of blood quantum does not necessarily make you Indigenous. Candy doesn't even claim to be from her father's community because she didn't grow up there, meanwhile, Latimer claims to be from a community where no one has ever heard of her before.
@Artocrat8
@Artocrat8 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rupert_Common I missed the scoop part...but she asks the question...and the next person starts talking about Latimer & I don't think addresses the kids raised by white families...I'm looking for the answer ...are those kids fully recognized as indigenous ( and I think should be...) ?
@Rupert_Common
@Rupert_Common 3 жыл бұрын
@@Artocrat8 super happy this is a non-toxic youtube comment exchange! in the 94 calls to action from the Truth and Reconciliation report, #1 - 6 deal with Child Welfare. There has been gross negligence with what homes indigenous kids go to, and even, the reasons for being apprehended. Many Indigenous people, and members of Parliament (NDP, Green Party) agree that this is a continuation of forced assimilation and destruction of culture. Yes, these kids are indigenous and it is precisely their stories that make reclaiming identity so sensitive. Latimer is not connected to that issue as she grew up with her birth parents, and they grew up with their birth parents - all of whom were French Canadian with "some indigenous ancestry". Feel free to email me rupert.common@gmail.com. there is a fascinating book on this exact topic I am reading.
@marymckenna6482
@marymckenna6482 8 ай бұрын
It seems to me that any person with personal, direct ties to an indigenous community can claim the indigenous identity with approval of the tribe. In other words, a child born on the rez or born to indigenous parents can claim the identity legitimately. But "lived experience" is also a difficult standard. Does it mean that a Native American born and raised in Minneapolis is not indigenous? I do not know the answer.
@thekentuckyan8088
@thekentuckyan8088 2 жыл бұрын
I know I wouldn’t want these people on my show I would figure they would get my show canceled like they did their show
@Indigenous-quay
@Indigenous-quay 7 ай бұрын
There are so many questions about the definition of indigenous. Thoughts about proof of indigineity: enrollment in a federal tribe; child of enrolled member: grandchild of enrolled member. This is how Indian health identifies natives. It shows ties that go not go back to 1600s. There are no guesses.
@staciestacie1327
@staciestacie1327 3 жыл бұрын
Co-sign Candy's "don't throw out the baby with the bath water."
@cfarlow5830
@cfarlow5830 Ай бұрын
I support Jacqueline Keeler’s work.
@user-cc5od3zk4p
@user-cc5od3zk4p 4 ай бұрын
Indigenous heritage is not a costume. Don't pretend to be someone you aren't. My aunt (through marriage) was indigenous but that, in no way, would make me indigenous. People are unbelievable.
@valafarrakshasa9730
@valafarrakshasa9730 3 жыл бұрын
Proud to be a Metis in canada eastern ( New-Brunswick ) from my Mius ancestry from community of the lahave ( La Hève ) in nova scotia :) and nobody can’t change that !
@valafarrakshasa9730
@valafarrakshasa9730 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s look at his numbers of Mr. Goodon : He says that 9% of MNO’s citizens are ancestrally connected to Northwestern Ontario. Then he says that 23% of the MNO’s citizens are ancestrally connected to Western Canada, yet he uses only the 9% in Northwestern Ontario to claim that they are the only ones in the homeland. Which number is it? Then he says that 86% of MNO is not part of the Metis Nation (There we go again with the Metis National Council illegitimately calling itself the “Metis Nation”.) Of course, using the 9% has a bigger wow factor than 23% but it’s still misleading, no matter how you swing it. If 23% of the MNO’s citizens are ancestrally connected to Western Canada, then it has to mean that the whole 23% is part of the homeland (including the 9% connected to NW Ontario.) Personally, I’d like to see the source of his information… his professor buddy, perhaps?) Sooooo, Mr. Goodon’s numbers talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk. 1. 100% - 23% = 77%. That’s quite a difference from 86% (9% in fact 😊 ) 2. 86% + 9% = 95%. So what happened to the other 5% ? Now let’s look at other numbers. The MNC claims to have 400,000 Metis on their homeland. The 2016 Census reported 584,000 Metis in Canada (or maybe 587K. I don’t have the spreadsheet in front of me). So, according to the MNC, 68% of Canada’s Metis belongs to the MNC. FALSE!! We know from numbers once published on the 5 MNC partners’ websites that a maximum of 87,000 Metis are registered with the five MNC groups. That’s only 16% of Canada’s Metis population, not the 86% the MNC claims. The government pledged well over 5 BILLIONS to the MNC (under the guise of dealing with the Metis Nation) in the last 6 years, as reported publicly by the MNC, one contribution at a time. For the sake of the discussion, let’s keep it rounded at $5 Billion. So: $5,000,000,000. divided by 87,000 members = $57,471.26 PER member. Now, if the MNC knocks off, 13,000 members, that would add almost $10,000 per person. Let’s take it further since the MNC is “reviewing” their registries, especially in BC. If they knock off another 10,000 members, with an end result of 64,000 members, they’re adding another $8,000 or so per person for a total of $78,125. per member. Hmmm….. this reminds me of another organization doing a major registry review before the end of the negotiations. We will not talk about the finances of the MNC and its $4M+ in travel / meals / hotels and its $ 4M+ in professional services PER year, and its $ 27,000 per month in rent. (for a few people - about 5 or 6 - I think) That’s another story matter. (All of it paid by the government via taxpayers’ money of course.) So, I may be off base in my calculations, but the louder Mr. Goodon shouts to protect the MNC empire, the more people question how deep the truth is buried. The truths, because there are many of them, are slowly coming out and people with integrity, common sense, and honour, are starting to realize the true nature of the MNC, and that the fairy tale they wove is just that, a fairy tale to protect a corporation fed by the government to the tune of billions of $$. Empires, historically, rise and fall when greed, supremacy, and power hunger prevails. As a side note, it’s interesting how the whole Sault Ste-Marie region is left out of the “homeland” when the area in one of the most important fur trading area and the cradle of a very important Metis Nation and communities! On the same note, how interesting that the entire waterway system from Lachine to Thunder Bay is also left out of the “homeland” when it’s along those waterways that many Metis peoples settled and the fur traders navigated on their way to the west in the 1790s! (Basically 175 years after first contact IN THE EAST.)
@valafarrakshasa9730
@valafarrakshasa9730 3 жыл бұрын
Regardons ses chiffres de Mr Goodon : Il dit que 9 % des citoyens de MNO (Metis Nation of Ontario) sont liés de façon ancestrale au nord-ouest de l'Ontario. Ensuite, il dit que 23 % des citoyens de la MNO sont liés de façon ancestrale à l'Ouest canadien, mais il n'utilise que les 9 % du nord-ouest de l'Ontario pour prétendre qu'ils sont les seuls dans le « territoire » de la MNC. Quel numéro est le bon? Ensuite, il dit que 86% de la MNO ne sont pas membres de la « Nation Métisse » (Nous revoilà avec le MNC - Metis National Council - s'appelant illégitimement la " Nation Métisse ".) Comme de raison, utiliser le 9 % a un facteur wow plus important que 23 %, mais c'est quand même trompeur, peu importe comment c’est présenté. Si 23 % des citoyens de la MNO sont liés de façon ancestrale à l'Ouest canadien, cela doit signifier que l'ensemble des 23 % fait partie de la patrie (y compris les 9 % connectés au nord-ouest de l'Ontario.) Personnellement, j'aimerais voir la source de ses informations… son pote professeur, peut-être ?) Alorrrrs, les bottines suivent pas les babines dans les chiffres de M. Goodon. 1) 100 % - 23 % = 77 %. C'est une sacrée différence avec 86% (9% en fait 😊 ) 2) 86 % + 9 % = 95 %. Alors qu'est-il arrivé aux 5 % restants? Tant qu’à y être, aussi bien regarder d'autres chiffres. Le MNC prétend avoir 400 000 Métis sur leur « territoire ». Le recensement de 2016 rapporte 584 000 Métis au Canada (ou peut-être 587 000. Je n'ai pas le tableau devant moi). Ainsi, selon le MNC, 68 % des Métis du Canada leur appartiennent. FAUX!! Nous savons d'après les chiffres publiés sur les sites Web des 5 partenaires de la MNC qu'un maximum de 87 000 Métis sont enregistrés auprès de leurs cinq groupes. Cela ne représente que 16 % de la population métisse du Canada, et non les 86 % revendiqués par le NMC. Le gouvernement a promis plus de 5 MILLIARDS au MNC (sous le prétexte de traiter avec la « nation métisse ») au cours des 6 dernières années, tel que rapporté publiquement par le MNC, une contribution à la fois. Pour la discussion, gardons-le à environ 5 milliards de dollars. Donc : 5 000 000 000 $. divisé par 87 000 membres = 57 471,26 $ PAR membre. Maintenant, si le MNC se débarrasse de 13 000 membres, cela ajouterait près de 10 000 $ par personne. Allons plus loin puisque le MNC « examine » ses registres, en particulier en Colombie-Britannique. S'ils éliminent 10 000 membres supplémentaires, avec un résultat final de 64 000 membres, ils ajoutent environ 8 000 $ supplémentaires par personne pour un total de 78 125 $. par membre. Hmmm….. cela me rappelle une autre organisation qui fait présentement un examen majeur du registre avant la fin des négociations. On ne parlera pas des finances de la MNC et ses 4+M $ en voyages/repas/hôtels et ses $4+M $en services professionnels PAR année (pour quelques personnes - environ 5 ou 6 je crois), et son 27,000$ par mois en loyer. (Tout ca payé par le gouvernement avec l’argent des contribuables, bien sûr!) Ça c’est une autre histoire. Donc, je me trompe peut-être dans mes calculs, mais plus M. Goodon crie fort pour protéger l'empire de la MNC, plus les gens se demandent à quelle profondeur la vérité est enfouie. Les vérités, parce qu'elles sont nombreuses, se dévoilent lentement et des personnes intègres, sensées et honorables commencent à réaliser la vraie nature du MNC, et que le conte de fées qu'ils ont tissé n'est que ça, un conte de fées pour protéger une société alimentée par le gouvernement à hauteur de milliards de $$. Les empires, historiquement, s’élèvent et s’écroulent quand l'avidité, la suprématie et la soif de pouvoir prévalent. En passant, c’est intéressant de voir comment toute la région de Sault Ste-Marie est laissée en dehors du « territoire » de la MNC alors que cette région historique est l'une des plus importantes dans la traite des fourrures et le berceau d'une très importante nation métisse et ses communautés! Dans le même ordre d'idées, c’est intéressant de voir que tout le système de voies navigables de Lachine à Thunder Bay soit également exclu de leur « territoire » alors que c'est le long de ces voies navigables que de nombreux Métis se sont installés et que les commerçants de fourrures ont navigué vers l'ouest dans les années 1790 ! (Un gros 175 ans après le premier contact À L'EST.)
@Gettingitreal
@Gettingitreal 3 жыл бұрын
In a free system, people get money for competence and their merit, not ancestry. Status is a colonial system. Indigenous people should get to say who is Indigenous. There should be no financial benefit for what race you are.
@marymckenna6482
@marymckenna6482 8 ай бұрын
There was status in all indigenous societies.
@yurizavorotny1553
@yurizavorotny1553 3 жыл бұрын
tbh, i have a problem with the whole notion of identity -- it denies the very quality that makes us human our superpower -- human superpower -- lies in our capacity for compassion and understanding... even tho, being a white male, I cannot have the _experience_ of an indigenous woman, I can _understand_ her in every detail we'd choose to share In fact, I can use my imagination to re-live any experience shared with me virtually, in my mind -- seeing what the other person saw, feeling what they felt... just as if it happened to me
@fionaokeefe1906
@fionaokeefe1906 3 жыл бұрын
😏really
@Rupert_Common
@Rupert_Common 3 жыл бұрын
Yuri, your opinion is just that - an opinion. It is also based off what seems to be a certain spiritual perspective which you are entitled to have but basically denies that Indigenous women experience different things in our society. You may be able to have empathy or imagine life as someone else but that does not equate the actual experience of being that person. There is no Indian Act which effects your life, there is no reserve system which effects your life. You can have empathy and compassion and be connected to the depth of human experience while acknowledging that you come from different places and have different lived experiences than other people. I also sincerely encourage you to look into more Indigenous literature, film and video created by Indigenous people so you can expand your understanding of their culture and what they go through as communities within Canada. What you have said here, if you said in front of an Indigenous community, could be very harmful and offensive. It is by all means, naive.
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 8 ай бұрын
No, you can't ever "feel what they felt." That's _literally_ impossible. I'm a predominately Polynesian woman who survived a hellish childhood, but I can't ever "feel" what a 60s Scoop survivor felt -- not even if we were best friends. People can empathize with other people (although this is definitely NOT a "human superpower" -- my Service Dog has been better at empathizing with me than 99.99999% of my fellow humans) but no one can FEEL what someone else feels when they haven't lived what that person has lived.
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