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Tonight on The D-Files, Chris Gore and Alan Ng, through inside sources at Disney, uncover the details of the what was behind the intentionally bad animation of "Wish," and how DEI killed Disney's imagination.
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@lance134679 2 ай бұрын

Hollywood is rapidly trying to unlearn filmmaking. This Wish debacle is just one example.

@daishikaze3986 2 ай бұрын

I think it's because they are being taught that the Language of Film is Inherently Racist, Misogynist, and Homophobic because men like D.W. Griffith had a hand in writting it.

@madmeh2929 2 ай бұрын

Shocker, they put a DIE person at the top and then bad decisions were made from which they couldn’t recover.

@jameshildebrand907 2 ай бұрын

It isn't that they "couldn't" recover. They don't want to recover. An attempt to recover inevitably requires a confession of being wrong in what they did. That action, to them, is worse than bankruptcy.

@gamedude412 2 ай бұрын

No, every single minority group and demographic group are one movie away from showing up don’t look at any data

@madmeh2929 2 ай бұрын

@@jameshildebrand907 True, their agenda is way more important than profits. That’s a core tenant of DEI in the first place.

@Raspse7en 2 ай бұрын

@@jameshildebrand907 Their fragile pride won't allow them to admit their faults and since they're pushing an agenda they can't allow it fail no matter what cause if it does, it's pretty much game over for them. They'll never recover if their agenda fails.

@aname4700 Ай бұрын

what does DIE mean?

@apollolux 2 ай бұрын

I remember during interviews for Wish that the VA for Asha was talking about "stepping into her power" and the only thing I could think of was that how at all was it her power to "step into" in the first place. She didn't inherit it, it wasn't voluntarily given to her, she didn't put forth effort to learn it like Magnifico did, and from her attitude she certainly didn't do anything special on-screen to earn it. She basically made a wish to be given free stuff with no effort, then on top of that stole what Magnifico put in the work for. Frankly, Magnifico was probably the only good guy in that entire movie because the whole kingdom just kept begging for free stuff from him without giving him anything of value in return and it's a gorram miracle he granted _any_ of their wishes before the events of the movie took place.

@Dullahan161 2 ай бұрын

Movie couldn't decide what villain they wanted Magnifico to be. He's set up like a tragic villain then he's power hungry

@DEADHEAD16090976 2 ай бұрын

Alan hit the nail on the head at the end with what he said “They dont care about the product anymore they just want to get it done” The magic is gone And so is the general interest Very sad

@Dantegrey1 2 ай бұрын

Song of the South absolutely is a Disney classic.

@GameFreakSucks 2 ай бұрын

Is there any English copies of that movie on dvd/blu ray that is authentic? I want to see that movie and I loved splash mountain but I can’t do that due to Disney’s political correctness and censorship

@Raskolnikov70 2 ай бұрын

@@GameFreakSucks If you sail the high seas you can track down older versions of these movies that haven't been "updated for modern audiences". You might be able to find some older DVD copies at pawn shops and places like that.

@andrewkathe3471 2 ай бұрын

Wtf is wrong with you?

@kentholle2166 2 ай бұрын

@@GameFreakSucks No DVDs or blu ray. There was a PAL VHS release in the UK and a laser disc in Japan with burned-in subtitles for the music and that was all. You can find where preservationists have done hi-def scans, but no official releases.

@GameFreakSucks 2 ай бұрын

@@kentholle2166 I thought there were no dvds/blu rays in America for song of the south

@mchammer5592 2 ай бұрын

Keep this up guys, there’s no way Disney company doesn’t know about these files being released by now.

@Sochi_Mochi 2 ай бұрын

“Magic” has left the building.

@tyraelpl 2 ай бұрын

Just like common sense, or morals xD

@TheColonelKlink 2 ай бұрын

I just watched Treasure Planet (2002) a couple of nights ago. I know it was a theatrical flop but wow, wow and wow again. A dazzling piece of work. Where did that kind of Disney animation go?

@warrenmason1582 2 ай бұрын

Disney intentionally killed it to scrap the animation studio and make way for cgi since Shrek came out shortly before.

@joshuashepard583 2 ай бұрын

I loved that movie.

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue 2 ай бұрын

Martin Short wasnt the greatest choice. But the movie was pretty incredible.

@metronome8471 2 ай бұрын

Great movie

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue 2 ай бұрын

@@EcardEcardianBluth. By way of Fox, I think. It didnt do well either.

@faynarawn4164 2 ай бұрын

Wow, I thought everyone knew the history of the Phoenicians' purple dye. I still remember it from junior high school DECADES ago.

@Raskolnikov70 2 ай бұрын

Schools aren't teaching history anymore, they had to remove academics to make room for all the social programming.

@Blisterdude123 2 ай бұрын

@@Raskolnikov70 Schools have always been about social programming. Any curriculum was always a specially curated interpretation of history. Why do you think so many Americans laud Columbus, one of the most ruthless, bloodthirsty, slave-taking monsters to crawl out of Europe and make his way to the new world? So much of the real history around his life is carefully omitted in US schools. Children are told he 'discovered' America, when he never even got there. Social programming is old hat, old as the hills. It's only the people doing it that change.

@adan3956 2 ай бұрын

From the ultimate trend setter to the ultimate trend chaser. Disney has truly fallen into the hands of the lesser men

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Ай бұрын

“men”

@Gryphonette 2 ай бұрын

A big problem is how DEI standards insist that striving for perfection is a feature of “white supremacy.” Expecting a high level of excellence is “white supremacy.” This is not a mindset that will ever achieve anything close to perfection. As I told my kids and grandkids, you can’t hit a target you don’t aim for, and DEI doesn’t make a target of excellence.

@codinghusky5196 2 ай бұрын

Yes, but that's our white supremacist outlook on the world, according to their narrative. Wanting to "achieve anything close to perfection" is a white state of being, enforced upon the world by us, the whites. If we weren't white, or more accurately if we were brown, we wouldn't have these urges. We wouldn't BE concerned about hitting any targets. According to them, we would be relaxed into state of existence where you just are, where there's no pressure, and you live in harmony with nature like your brown ancestors apparently did; and the world just arranges around you so you get everything, from dental care to cancer medicine because Nature.

@ceasarsaran8573 2 ай бұрын

the biggest problem is that its racism against white people, and sexism against men.

@user-eo5sn9yt1u 2 ай бұрын

Insanely smart move!

@robch4414 2 ай бұрын

There is a sad smell of Mao's Cultural Revolution about all this. Building a new future by rewriting the past, by beating those with knowledge and skill to death for being "bourgeois", by giving senior roles and responsibilities to those preaching the party line loudest, irrespective of any actual ability. Disney has gleefully trampled its soul and its heritage into the ideological mud.

@ABoyandHisDog-pd3lb 2 ай бұрын

Apparently this Jennifer lady had never heard of the Multiplane camera that was designed for use in the old 2D cell animations to give it all a lively 3D look to the finished animation, and how they were able to mesh them with live action in later works, which was groundbreaking an unimaginable by general movie going audiences of the time. Yeah, she didn't bother having the 3D CGI animators, who depending on their age probably had never heard of the device nor the process themselves, thus never bothered to request that they emulate the look of that process developed by Disney for Wish, which is why it all looked flat and jarring to viewers.

@OhSayWhatIsTruth 2 ай бұрын

It all feels like a failed execution more than anything else. There are some movies and video games that do a really good job emulating 2D using 3D graphics.

@Attmay 2 ай бұрын

A generation raised on tapes and discs of the classics should have done better than this.

@orihoola 2 ай бұрын

Great point! They imagined what 2D animation looked like rather than respecting the ingenuity that went in to not making it look 2D!

@CubanaWriter 2 ай бұрын

It’s easy to understand why Alan thought the issues with Wish mainly boiled down to a rushed production by a surplus of overworked or inexperienced animators. The entire movie looks unfinished. Like they ran out of time in the last third of the project, just printed what they had, and sent it to theaters. To learn that it was intentionally made to look that way blows my mind. The magic is truly gone at Disney.

@nathanrussell-raby5460 2 ай бұрын

The 3D for 2D idea isn't a bad idea - folks on KZfaq have produced some incredible cel-shaded 3D works using Blender's grease pencil and the Goo Engine. But they didn't go in hard enough on the 2D aesthetic. The models still look 3D. The lighting is too realistic. The line-art doesn't look hand-drawn. The character models are not stylized enough to look like vintage Disney characters. There's no drop-shadow which typically accompanied 2D animations shot on production cels. They just botched it completely.

@FarginBastiges 2 ай бұрын

The Peanuts Movie is a great example of 3D animation mimicking hand-drawn animation.

@Greenhead24 2 ай бұрын

After finding out that Disney pays for employees children trans surgeries i do not care what movies they make. Disney could make the best movies they do no deserve any credit for anything they do

@Thandar324 2 ай бұрын

I'm glad this was brought up at the annual shareholders meeting to shine a light on what Disney is doing regarding this

@Greenhead24 2 ай бұрын

@@Thandar324 for sure

@EnsignRedshirtRicky 2 ай бұрын

They also accuse them of pandering for attention when they realize they were mislead as children and de-transition, while Disney refuses to consider making the medical support contingent on a mental assessment to see if it is some adult freak pushing this on a kid, or if the child really has the ability to understand the magnitude of the operations. That is evil.

@Greenhead24 2 ай бұрын

@@EnsignRedshirtRicky pure evil,if hell is real i hope they do there

@tracythomas132 2 ай бұрын

I was horrified when I found out. Our money was potentially spent on these procedures. Never again will I spend money on that company.

@evalramman7502 2 ай бұрын

How easily imagination is cowed by fanatics.

@EnsignRedshirtRicky 2 ай бұрын

There are a lot of competing cults, and ESG/DEI is just one of them.

@evalramman7502 2 ай бұрын

@@EnsignRedshirtRicky If that cult has captured HR? The other cults don't matter.

@xipheonj 2 ай бұрын

Hearing you talk about the behind the scenes arrogance reminds me of the making ofs for Les Mis and Cats where they were super proud of the ridiculously stupid decisions that ruined the music of those MUSICals. Arrogant incompetence is really the #1 killer of movies, when they either don't have people willing or able to tell them no, or they're so up their own asses that they ignore it and assume they're right anyway.

@lisaoreilly8380 2 ай бұрын

"Did you realise Asha's seven friends were the Seven Dwarves?" I realised it when I noticed they looked an awful lot like the Seven Diverse Hipsters from those outdoor costume-test photos for the live action Snow White remake, or that _first_ version of it anyway. What a coinkydink. I wonder if it broke any hearts on the Wish staff to axe that lineup for the new CGI -monstrosities- dwarves instead?

@Raskolnikov70 2 ай бұрын

"Snow Grey and the Seven Portland Baristas" - yeah, can't wait until we get the first look at how they've revamped that one.

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

Pop quiz. What are the names of Asha's seven friends. Bonus points if you can name just one.

@lisaoreilly8380 2 ай бұрын

@@FilmThreat Uhh I think the one with the crutch was named Dina or Dalia? She was the most visually interesting of them, I guess. edit; Wait were they all named _after_ the dwarves?? Like "D" for "Doc" for "Dina/Dalia"? Even more friggin' Easter Eggs!

@Dullahan161 2 ай бұрын

@@lisaoreilly8380me too. I was wondering if her crutch was ever going to come into play. maybe she wants to dance but can't because of the leg then Magnico tries to win her over by promising to grant her wish if she traps asha. Idk give me something movie

@lisaoreilly8380 2 ай бұрын

@@Dullahan161See, that sounds like it would be such a genuinely cruel no-going-back move on Magnifico's part and such a tragic and understandably human moment for Crutch-Girl. Throw in the ol' narrative theme of "Be Careful What You _Wish_ For" and you'd have on heck of a conflict for a story based around wishes! The most profoundly irritating thing about Wish is how it's SO EASY to come up a much better constructed story with higher stakes for it at every turn, when it's supposed to be Disney's big 100th year movie. How *embarrassing.*

@TheFatGandalf 2 ай бұрын

Alan is correct. The Carthaginians were famous for their purple dyes because at the time no one else could replicate it. So, only the wealthy could afford things made from purple dyes as these luxury goods of the time represented prosperity.

@andrewkathe3471 2 ай бұрын

Not the Carthaginians, the Tyrians from the city of Tyre in Lebanon. It was called Tyrian Purple. So Alan is wrong

@TheFatGandalf 2 ай бұрын

@@andrewkathe3471 The city of Tyre was Phoenician. Carthage was a Phoenician colony before eventually exceeding Phoenicia in stature. With both as Phoenician Alan is still right.

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

I believe I said it was mixing Red and Blue. So I'm right.

@andrewkathe3471 2 ай бұрын

@@TheFatGandalf i know carthage was Phoenician, but that doesn't change the fact that the mollusks the dye was derived from are from off the coast of Lebanon, not North Africa, so no he's wrong

@EnsignRedshirtRicky 2 ай бұрын

Jennifer Lee, the high cost of DEI.

@TexAnCap 2 ай бұрын

I loved Song of the South. 🎶 Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah. . . My oh my what a wonderful day 🎶

@bryan81584 2 ай бұрын

RaCiSmSs!!!

@jamesleblanc7437 2 ай бұрын

The general malaise is a direct consequence of leftism. Hating the past’s legacy and overinflating your own importance and righteousness. Empty virtual signaling without soul. It’s merely the appearance of morality. In Disney’s case, it’s the mere appearance of creativity and animation and maintaining an inspiring park experience: but no soul. The lights don’t work.

@Langley_Ackerman19 2 ай бұрын

Bull's eye!

@jmass4207 2 ай бұрын

This one sounds like a direct case of someone who wanted to achieve a narrative of “brave avante-garde revolutionary in animation succeeding despite naysaying by crusty old fossils”. Reminds me of KK. It’s not enough to succeed with teied and true methods by these types; they need to recontextualize the past and ascend to be one of the Greats without nearly enough talent to pull it off.

@daishikaze3986 2 ай бұрын

@@jmass4207 They want to be Avante-garde, but without the "accepting the consequences for your Art" part. They want to make something and as soon as people don't like it they claim oppression. Real Avante-garde artists made what they made and took whatever consequences or criticism came back to them, good, bad, or indifferent. And they did it for Art's sake, not for fortune and glory because there was no fortune and glory in those days

@Attmay 2 ай бұрын

Boomers ruined art.

@santosd6065 2 ай бұрын

Utterly bizarre that extreme, Neoliberal hyper Capitalism is now considered “leftism“

@VoidPocket 2 ай бұрын

I didn’t know where to put this but just wanted to say to, Chris, that I’m sorry about what happened and hope you feel better soon. I added you to my daily prayers and prayed for your swift recovery. God bless ❤. If someone at Film Threat wouldn’t mind passing this on to him I would be grateful, thank you. Hope you feel better soon, Chris.

@MadelineMysterious 2 ай бұрын

If you're in the know with art, tumblr artists almost always steal their art. It was a think people would talk about on discord for years. And, Jennifer Lee is really hurting the Frozen brand, it sucks. I had admired her work for that film (and all others involved) but now the only reason I was hanging onto my diseny + sub is ruined. I had heard bad things about her from a friend that works at Disney too but I didn't believe it, but what is being sad in this video lines up with what that friend said to me. I mean I didn't meet someone I admired but in the internet age what my friend said and then this video and the Wish movies solidified it. It's sad.

@hathead300 2 ай бұрын

Anyone who's familiar with 3D art could understand from the first trailer that it was a conscious decision to try make the 3D look more 2D, with the shading and line art. Happens a lot in games. But it wasn't fully committed to here, and expectations for disney films are different - they have a style. A decent recent example of this being well done would be Puss in Boots and the wingfeather saga, imo.

@calvinjohnstone2664 2 ай бұрын

The Last Wish I bought. ❤

@beowulf1005 2 ай бұрын

The Spider-verse movies by Sony do a great job translating a 2-D look into 3-D.

@hathead300 2 ай бұрын

Yeah that's a great example

@OhSayWhatIsTruth 2 ай бұрын

"I don't care whether the film is 2-D, 3-D, CGI, or hand-drawn, it all goes back to the story." - Richard Roeper I'm a strong believer in the quote above, which came from a negative review of Disney's Chicken Little back in 2005. I say it rings true today--even if Wish's rushed production got all its technical fixes and was put in your favorite artistic style, it would not have saved it from subpar writing, piss-poor management and DEI influence. Removing John Lasseter was one of Disney's biggest mistakes ever made in its 100+ year history.

@codinghusky5196 2 ай бұрын

I mean yes.... ....but to a point. Movies and other visual media are NOT books, and it shouldn't ALL go back to the story. In the sense that once the story is out of the way, the visual part of things can really boost something from good to awesome. My favourite example of this are movies like Sin City or 300. I mean, if they were filmed straight like, say, an episode of Criminal Minds or Spartacus, they'd still be... good movies, but MAN did the style and the visuals boost them into GREAT movies. Yeah, story IS the fundamental part of STORYtelling; that's hardly news, but if you have a VISUAL media it's ridiculous to say "oh it's all same shit, just take your phone and shoot a number of scenes, why bother". There's simply MORE to visual media than just the story, and it's GOOD to demand the more.

@DouglasLippi 2 ай бұрын

My kids loved Chicken Little. Watched like a thousand times.

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Ай бұрын

i agree. i kind of also would say that mediums should be respected, however. They can be blended. but respected. This CONSTANT trend of making 3d look 2d is not blending. Its disrespect. They want to steal the aesthetic - but not understand the form. Its a war, internally. As a 2d artist - if i did 3d it would absolutely be to blend the tools and make 2dish looking stuff. So i get the overall appeal and theory. But it also feels like just trying to steal a style: you killed 2d, fired them all, have a broad range of 3d artists, want to use them, so you just get them to steal a 2d-ish look rather than knowing 2d. It was to the studios benefit to go 3d. Reusable rigs and assets. 3d TOTALLY KILLED the idea of the star animator. No Glen Keane or James Baxter appears in a cog-and-wheel process of 3d. No one follows an artist. Its the studio now. Yawn.

@OhSayWhatIsTruth Ай бұрын

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Need a tissue?

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Ай бұрын

@@OhSayWhatIsTruth Want to address an idea or make an argument? Or are you just here to be the asshole in the corner, amusing yourself with empty words from your empty head.

@erikaleksandermoe1634 2 ай бұрын

One of the most brilliant films Walt Disney ever made was “The Old Mill” where he experimented with the multi plane camera to achieve the three dimensional effect Alan mentioned was missing. Has animation regressed over 95 years at Disney?

@TheJadedFilmMaker 2 ай бұрын

I was a 3d fx artist for 10 years. our company had issues (animal logic) and I remember dreaming about how much better pixar would be as a company cos I bought the red pixar book about management and work there. sounded like a dream. but whoa I would have been too late for those good years edit: I remember the name now "creativity inc"

@MK_337 2 ай бұрын

That book was written by Pixar co-founder Ed Catmul who Disney forced to retire in 2019. The company has since abandoned his principals.

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

It's sad to read his book knowing that the way Ed, John, and Steve ran the company has been lost.

@finoxb944 2 ай бұрын

The DEI story regarding Wish isn't surprising but the part about all the stupid little references stood out to me, it shows the narcissism of the people who ended up in charge, they REALLY thought they were the smartest people at Disney and look what they ended up making.

@40KWill 2 ай бұрын

They will generate power using Walts body at it turns like a generator

@Animator605 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for bringing this info to the surface! Chris and Alan are leading the charge!

@ABoyandHisDog-pd3lb 2 ай бұрын

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of history and or Anthropology knows that All across the Ancient World and up to now, that PURPLE IS THE COLOR OF ROYALTY in countries that still have monarchies. Though these days the color is not outlawed for wearing by peasants as it once was. That began to change around the 19th century as countries began to modernize.

@tracythomas132 2 ай бұрын

Yes! Many cultures had Sumptuary Laws regarding dress.

@Attmay 2 ай бұрын

Barney destroyed all that.

@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 2 ай бұрын

I actually saw Asha's concept art of her in warm shades like reds and oranges and while purple is my favorite color, I think she would've looked way better in red and it would've made her stand out more.

@Arassar 2 ай бұрын

Making a whole movie in 6 months sounds like hell...

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

Sadly, I'm told it's normal.

@floxy20 2 ай бұрын

Purple was the color of the Roman emperor. Purple was associated with wealth because at the time it was difficult to manufacture.

@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Ай бұрын

There is a reason why globally purple is recognized as a royal color. I have no idea what Disney is talking about, especially when BLUE is usually the color linked to hope.

@fuferito 2 ай бұрын

Disney should be congratulated for celebrating their 100th anniversary by showcasing Flash animation. Truly revolutionary.

@r01d2 2 ай бұрын

"in 2 weeks we going to talk about Moana 2 and Vancouver" news: all crew of Moana 2 found dead at same cliff.

@davidkulmaczewski4911 2 ай бұрын

Entertainment is the canary in the coal mine. They were leading the business world in the implementation of these ideas, and they're leading the way with the consequences. But a lot of other industries are not far behind; these ideas have been prevalent in medicine for quite a while, and in financial services and insurance, and it's taking hold in other "hard" industries (see, Boeing). It's entrenched in government, and most frightening, in the military. The country's Secretary of Transportation can't make a statement without reminding us that our roads, highways, and railroads are racist. We have a male Secretary of Health who wears a dress with military insignias and goes by 'Rachel'. Go check on the DEI policies of your local electric company's website, or maybe your local water department's; I guarantee they have them. Won't it be great when the regression we're currently seeing in cartoons makes it's way to our power grid and clean water infrastructure?

@MephiticMiasma 2 ай бұрын

See South Africa

@daytwaqua 2 ай бұрын

While I wouldn't quite think it was common knowledge, I thought it was fairly well-known that purple was restricted to royalty, or the very affluent. The only source for purple dye for a long time was from some kind of mollusk or something, and only a tiny amount could be extracted from each one, causing there to be an incredibly limited supply. Again, not common knowledge necessarily, but fairly well-known, I thought. Even if not, as was illustrated here, a quick search online would have yielded that information. But why do that, when you can just make something up, something their clients wanted to hear?

@KBroly 2 ай бұрын

I'm like 12 minutes into this and if your top priority is easter eggs, you just want to see how good you are at distracting people from what you're really doing. EDIT: And 2 minutes later I get confirmation of that.

@0osaka 2 ай бұрын

You can balance both - see the CGI Mario movie. Shit ton of easter eggs and refs. But it was a fun movie even without a gaming background.

@theauntofdragons 2 ай бұрын

I didn't notice any of those hidden Easter eggs lol. Pumpkin seeds? Really? Also, isn't the fairy godmother white?

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

Well...not any more.

@MmntechCa 2 ай бұрын

I was always more into gaming and movies. Exact same thing happened there. The people with the actual talent were pushed out by the DEI hires. This is why you now have $70 "AAA" games look worse than games made a decade ago, release broken, and have performance issues even on very high end hardware. And this applies to literally everything nowadays. There was this word going around late last year; "enshitification". People are starting to notice that the quality of everything is declining. Media is trying to gaslight the public about it, or are still trying to blame the coof, but it's gotten pretty obvious to even the normies that everything sucks now.

@Iosifavich 2 ай бұрын

I was at Disney World (04/05/2024) last week, we wanted to get to the parks before Disney completely imploded. My wife noticed pretty early in the trip while shopping that all the 'Wish' stuff was discounted by 40-50% off. So we kinda made a game of it, if the store had anything 'WISH' related it was on sale at least 40%. Something else my wife noticed is there was basically nothing else in the stores that was discounted, especially at the in park stores. A side not that i noticed the classic rides like Peter Pan, It's a Small World and Thunder Mountain where among the most popular and went down often. While these rides are getting long in the tooth, i spoke to one of my Co-workers who was a "Disney-Adult" her family use to go to Disney world yearly from 1990 till 2018 said she never show those rides down in almost 3 decades of attending the parks. Also TRON was down for almost 3 full day, one of their newest rides and it went down on Monday @1500 which was an After Hours Party night till 1AM and didn't come back up till Thursday morning.

@thechicagobox 2 ай бұрын

It’s not going to stop, until it’s made to stop. Plain and simple.

@Attmay 2 ай бұрын

#StopDisney

@XaqNautilus 2 ай бұрын

I knew Disney had the trifecta of woke at the top in Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy and Paul Feige. I was just today wondering what happened to Pixar and Disney Animation and now I know it's a quadfecta capped off with Jennifer Lee. I know it's old news but I find it to depressing to try and stay on top of these things. Thanks Alan and Chris.

@galadrhim1 Ай бұрын

Not only have things regressed, but they have regressed so far as to be worse than the fledgling attempts at the beginning of film history. The most early films are better than the crap we're getting now.

@TheHomeDesigner123 2 ай бұрын

I just tried to watch Disneys Wish and I had to stop after five minutes into it. The quality of the animation was horrible, and nowhere near anything I expected from their animation studio. The sets were flat and one dimensional, and the cgi stood out so much it was a distraction. I just couldn’t get anywhere near watching the movie develop. I passed on this show.

@sonoftheredfox 2 ай бұрын

A work environment based in equity will never be able to create quality product

@Attmay 2 ай бұрын

We’d have seen it by now if that was the case.

@PrayerWarrior4 2 ай бұрын

Love the series you guys put together!

@RustCohleTX 2 ай бұрын

I'd love Amazon to snatch those animators, so I can enjoy season 3 of Invincible sooner than 2026😮‍💨

@aperson2943 2 ай бұрын

This used to make me mad. Now I realize we should rejoice. This is the perfect opportunity to create new stories, characters, worlds, and heroes for kids to look up to.

@ohforthelove74 2 ай бұрын

I work in electronics, not remotely connected to entertainment. I'm chiming in about the overall attitude of the workforce. It has become filled with twenty-somethings who were raised like royalty by their parents and who have no intention of doing anything not ABSOLUTELY required. There are some gems in that mess to be sure and I know several. But 85 percent of our new hires are lazy and completely unconcerned with being seen as such. It's revolting. In the case of this studio it's a miracle they managed to get a movie out in any state, let alone a good one.

@lindasmith320 2 ай бұрын

@JumpingJack6 2 ай бұрын

So they are not just incompetent. They are intentionally incompetent.

@elone3997 2 ай бұрын

The shot you showed regarding how flat it looked and lack of depth - I don't understand the logic here. Back in the 'traditional' 2d Disney' era, they pioneered the 'multi plane' (iirc) which was basically shooting a whole stack of seperated cels so that you got depth and parallax in the shot (just like in the real world). That frame looked like it was created by someone without an artistic eye. Contrast is everything (be it brightness, color or pattern etc) and basic composistion teaches you to well, actually compose and bring out key characters etc. Seems to me at this point that all this can't be anything except intentional self destruction..

@AndyVanDalsem 2 ай бұрын

Not to mention that they already totally nailed this "3D-does-traditional" concept with their 2012 short: Paperman. Look at Paperman then look at Wish and ask yourself how in the world they managed to get this so dead wrong.

@Attmay 2 ай бұрын

They starved the development of that technology for 10 years after the *Frozen* craze made them feel vindicated in letting traditional animation go.

@elone3997 2 ай бұрын

@@AndyVanDalsem I'll take a look as I'm not familiar, thanks. I've always loved animation whether it's stop motion, traditional 2d or cgi (to a degree) but I've never been a fan of trying to mimic real world to the point of you're trying to do the same work for less money/time, but If it's stylistic then great and I'm all for it. I've also seen anime using a ton of cgi for a long time for complex scenes where perspective is tricky to do by hand like moving vehicles, but there seems to be a bit of a trend where they are going for the cel shaded look but in cgi now and it looks baaad. The movement is too smooth but it still looks like traditional cel animation and so you end up in the uncanny valley. It can be done nicely if you reduce the frame rate to match more like traditional cel animation where you'd typically animate every second frame (or even less for cheap productions). Sorry, I veered waay off topic, ha ha.

@Langley_Ackerman19 2 ай бұрын

That's what happens when you employ people based on the sexual identity and skin color rather than talent and merit!

@OhSayWhatIsTruth 2 ай бұрын

@@elone3997 "I don't care whether the film is 2-D, 3-D, CGI, or hand-drawn, it all goes back to the story." - Richard Roeper Wish was going to be doomed regardless of what artistic style they chose for it.

@rmessenger23 2 ай бұрын

Equity and DEI is a race to the bottom.

@tyraelpl 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating how deep this blight on humanity runs.

@evalramman7502 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating discussion as always.

@toplaycool21 Ай бұрын

This is extremely sad. I grew up with Disney. Watched Snow White, Peter Pan, Aladdin, The Lion King, Mulan etc. To see this happening is sickening and anger inducing. Thankfully, when I watch movies like Fantasia or Toy Story, I can be reminded of when Disney was truly magical. The last actual “good” Disney movie I’ve seen recently was Encanto, one of the rare recent Disney movies to not suck.

@bheathcoat7650 2 ай бұрын

Great job on this series!

@oldchicken2 2 ай бұрын

Great job guys! Keep up the good work!

@zoddlander 2 ай бұрын

If they wanted to make a 2D movie then maybe they should make a 2D movie! They were my favorit movies anyway!

@OhSayWhatIsTruth 2 ай бұрын

"I don't care whether the film is 2-D, 3-D, CGI, or hand-drawn, it all goes back to the story." - Richard Roeper That quote came from a negative review of Disney's Chicken Little back in 2005. I say it rings true today--even if Wish's rushed production got all its technical fixes and was put in your favorite artistic style, it would not have saved it from subpar writing, piss-poor management and DEI influence. Removing John Lasseter was one of Disney's biggest mistakes ever made in its 100+ year history.

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue 2 ай бұрын

Its funny. 2d was killed because of 3d. 3d is HOT, thats what people want, they would say…. and now, 2 decades later, count the 3d films trying to look 2d. Spiderverse, Peanuts, Arcane, TMNT, Wish…. and those are just the big ones. 2d has ALWAYS been better, more desirable, and more aesthetically pleasing. always

@OhSayWhatIsTruth 2 ай бұрын

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue _2d has ALWAYS been better, more desirable, and more aesthetically pleasing. always_ "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

@Langley_Ackerman19 2 ай бұрын

@@OhSayWhatIsTruthWell the money says yes. Anime is still mostly in 2D and it's bigger than ever. I'd argue, I prefer the 90s style of 2D animation, but my point still stands.

@OhSayWhatIsTruth 2 ай бұрын

@@Langley_Ackerman19 Good for you. I'm genuinely glad for anime's rise in recent years. But The Super Mario Bros. Movie has made more money than every single anime movie, including The Boy and the Heron. That suggests that people want good stories and characters first and foremost, not a particular aesthetic style.

@cannonloose3153 2 ай бұрын

That was the "Song of the South" people if you didn't get what Allen was pointing out.

@liljenborg2517 2 ай бұрын

"The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing." If you're focus grouping your test audiences on whether or not they caught Easter Eggs while ignoring questions and criticisms about STORY or animation QUALITY shows me that your idea of what the "main thing" about making a movie might be is not the audience's idea of the "main thing" when they watch a movie.

@lindasmith320 2 ай бұрын

So much research that proves kids should not be having this kind of treatment

@fringelord 2 ай бұрын

This is exactly what happened to Call of Duty and Blizzard Entertainment as well. Women in Tech movement forced in 50% women in as junior devs from college who where just there to get Call of Duty or Blizzard on their resume, not because they wanted to actually work there. Some got pushed up the leadership chain because Activision (the owner of both) needed 50% women in leadership roles. Senior talent started leaving or being pushed out. Their games started to suffer in quality.

@Thermool 2 ай бұрын

I was watching Wish on D+, and between moments of being bored out of mine and my son who wanted to watch it got bored too, were moments of entertaining songs. But the damn thing is so sterile in between those moments and the animation is about Disney Channel level if not less. Tel you the truth, I’m on vacation and got to watch the Disney Channel and Pixar’s Monsters has an animated series that’s far better in its look and is more entertaining for the several episode me and my sons watched after turning off Wish about 30 minutes in.

@TheresaMayPM 2 ай бұрын

This'll be one hell of a hangover when The Iger Company finally backs out of the DEI fad. The institutional knowledge and culture they once enjoyed isn't something that comes easily. It takes years, and the right leadership, for a company to become as good as The Disney Company.

@radnedge1983 2 ай бұрын

Easter eggs are fun, but they don't make a filling meal.

@tommix6016 2 ай бұрын

Disney: Let's imagine decency, ethics, responsibility, and basic interest and competency in buisness competence.

@broncharis 2 ай бұрын

Unironically the colour of hope is green in which is the colour of King Magnifico's magic.

@kyleshockley1573 2 ай бұрын

Like many work places, production is focused on hitting schedule benchmarks. Getting things done "on time," determined off screen somewhere by someone for any number of opaque reasons. Which is fine, on its face it's a reasonable metric for everyone from PA's to line producers to follow, even if the boots on the ground that actually make the thing are annoyed by it fairly regularly. The problem being is when you get to job titles the likes of which Lasseter had, when someone in that position _also_ prioritizes getting things done "on time" and ticking those boxes on the spread sheet - rather than their primary job function which is *_creative and quality control._*

@holbrooke7 2 ай бұрын

They need to go rewatch "Waking Sleeping Beauty" for the big wake-up call they need.

@peterslaby9782 2 ай бұрын

Cultural consultant has gotta be the greatest grift of all time.

@davidmiddleton7958 2 ай бұрын

Oh, just a note regarding the title. Should read the DD-Files (Dismal Disney!)

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

You're pretty close to what the original title of the series was going to be.

@leadingauctions8440 2 ай бұрын

If someone who adores and deeply misses 2D Art and Animation, this only makes me sadder for these idiots put a deathnail in the style with their incompetence? This makes me sad.

@edwardwigglesworth-iu7rx 2 ай бұрын

this is so sad.. pray for any shareholder not named blackrock

@bufordt.justice467 2 ай бұрын

Keep up the good work boys!!!

@grh7britton405 2 ай бұрын

Let Disney do what they want to do. There will come a time when they lose so much money this will become TOTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE that they will have to wise up or close the doors. Spending millions of dollars on a feature that only reaps thousands of dollars in profits is laughable and can only go on so long.

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

It's estimated the film lost between $200 and $230 million.

@EvenLow-ps8dt 2 ай бұрын

Skydance's Spellbound is going to be a far superior 'Disney' movie than what Disney is able to produce these days

@jerseyforhawks 2 ай бұрын

Your thumbnail sketch will likely only be recognized by those over 45 years old. I love it.

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

Yass...

@lindasmith320 2 ай бұрын

4 - 6 months is not long to make a quality piece of work

@APsychicMonkey 2 ай бұрын

That thumbnail is amazing! 😂

@cAIsps 2 ай бұрын

This makes so many things in Disney makes so much sense!

@jimhebson6793 2 ай бұрын

When do we get the animated version of Old Yeller?

@deanog2577 2 ай бұрын

I hope Eric July picks up all these animators and other talent that Disney pushed out and expands his company to take Disney's market.

@mxvega1097 2 ай бұрын

It's like indulging a rather slow child claiming that a potato is a rocket ship.

@HalfEatenMedia 2 ай бұрын

How come construction workers don’t have to be 50/50? Are they sexist? 😂

@pa1degua 2 ай бұрын

never saw wish but the imagery of a fallen star guiding the efforts of the protagonist is an interesting juxtaposition when considered in contrast to Pinocchio where they wish upon a star in the heavens or peter pan where a heavenly star is used as a navigational guide in those cases the stars stayed in Heaven and were aspirational guides aiming the Heroes to the heavens... but In wish they chose the imagery of a fallen star as a guide to help her subvert a king.... this sounds familiar maybe because there is an ancient story of a fallen star who seeks to exalt his throne over the stars of heaven ie overthrow the King of heaven? see Isaiah 14 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!...For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God...I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High'...."

@theknave69 2 ай бұрын

They're innovating. Just along the wrong lines of effort. I believe that the phrase Alan is reaching for is, "Striving toward mediocrity."

@FilmThreat 2 ай бұрын

I think I meant to say, they fired everyone in an effort to "reinvent the wheel."

@HostileTakeover555 2 ай бұрын

So sad. Complete destruction of the Disney legacy. Walt’s rolling in his grave.

@sianais 2 ай бұрын

Instead of using "Asha means hope in some African language" to "insert diversity" why not do the classic "actually use a specific culture as the base of the fictional world and story?" They're so lazy these days they want one of each group in their soulless bs that can't be special since it's only goal is to only look progressive. At least The Princess and the Frog used New Orleans as its base. The Shadow Man is iconic despite that film not being one of their most notable. People respect genuineness.