Is that called hypocrisy? If it is, I would have doubted the Lucians' motives.

@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s It's hypocrisy, all right...and the worst kind, too! Not just by the Gods, but also that SOB Somnus, who claims to have done horrible things to Ardyn for "the good of his people", when it's actually done out of pure jealousy and selfishness. Now if that ain't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

Lucis is built on major hypocrisy which makes me wish Noctis had discovered the true extent of it. Also I noticed that when the Royal Guards first came across Ardyn they called him an "It". Not him. It. They were dehumanising asf. Also it makes me wonder about the empire. I don't think it's truly as bad as the game made it out be or at least there's more good characters than were let on. The Niflheim natives call Lucis "gruesome" among other things which makes me wonder if Lucians hadn't pulled some underhanded BS in the past in the name of "saving the world". Also I feel like Niflheim was a safe place for those infected with the scourge and they had the technology to treat it (albeit with some shady stuff in the background). Also Ardyn is the best propaganda tool: he suffered at the hands of Lucians and it's TRUE. From the eyes of imperial citizens (if they were made aware of Ardyn) they would think the Lucians are the most evil people on the planet.

@@maximesaindon3552 Actually Noctis does learn of it in the story, as they were meaning to release a sort of "extended ending" episode, Episode Lunafreya along with Episode Noctis. Technically a bit more of a what if story if Noctis got news about Bahamuts true plan and willingness to end the world to remake it so it could be cleansed from Starscourge if his plan fails. Basically Bahamut sees humans as nothing more than ants. And Noctis plus Ardyn just destroys magic and the gods to see to it the world keep surviving without Daemons and all that. I would've loved if we had gotten this... But sadly it was truly canceled :c

​@@Dubbelthorthat's so final fantasy XVI story typical stuff

he does, Dawn of the Future answers all the questions (about his 10 year absence) But that's interesting you bring that up

@@byksEBM i see, so Noctis knows his story? about his girl dyin and him also being his ancestor? :O

@@bastiisalive He still can't forgive Ardyn for what he had done to Luna but still willing to compromise with him.

had we gone through with all the planned dlc we would have been able to play the alternate ending to this tale

That's like saying water is more moist than fire. Iris seemed like a better match for Noctis.

both died virgin

Ms. Chin BK It's no way we can know if Jesus was a virgin

Although it makes sense

@ supposedly Jesus had a kid. So wtf are you talking about

Literally that dragon man is op af, broke the entire lore of ffxv after reading the dawn of the future novel.

Weird how FF13 was about defying fate, and FF15 is about how fate is unchangeable.

@@503leafy thats why it was called vs 13 i guess before they changed it to 15

Yeah. In the end all is die. Damn.

Shakespeare is....

Yeah

sad that they made the game centered around despair and powerlessness

it a Shakespeare.... the whole fucking is Shakespeare.... it don't matter what story are... they just want us to feel thing..

If I were in Ardyn's shoes I'd hate the hell out of Somnus. And what's worse is that the Lucians have no idea about the BS their kingdom was founded on. The murderer became a worshipped king.

Why didn't it hsppen?

@@MrLordofgames The director quit. As far as I know.

There is actually a book about it, and its been translated to English. Good read

@@jksquad6843 yeah. I got and read it. Pretty nice, but it also underlined the missed opportunity

@@Korraganitar yeah I completely agree. The book is amazing imo but a dlc would have been on another level

I thought everyone knew that?

I laughed way too hard reading this XD A five-year old Verstael running around and laughing like 50 year old maniac

Yes, it is unsettling. Evil mad scientist Prompto. I prefer the goofy gun-toting Prompto.

I love that he's voice by Steve Blum lmao

Prompto was in fact cloned from Verstael's genes however his cells were diversified so he won't look like his creator in time.

I'm more concerned with the fact that he has old man Verstael's voice attached to that face. If Prompto's a clone of him, and he looks more the age of Prompto than old man Verstael, he should have Prompto's voice. Hearing the old man voice with the young face is pretty jarring.

@@christianhaegler4817 but Prompto isn't Verstael, they look the same but they're completely different characters in fact I think it would be more jarring for them to sound the exact same. I honestly thought they were going to change va, I'm glad they stuck with Blum.

Agreed.

how do u know u are not a puppet too in our world living out your fate given by our world's God?

@@laocheebye How do you know there even is a God in our world at all? You'd drive yourself nuts with all the "what ifs" without any actual proof.

That’s Final Fantasy for ya. Can’t think of one where the gods aren’t up to SOME shady shit

AGREED

Yeah. Like when Ardyn murdered Luna. Such an innocent act.

​@@nicholasmendoza3550 he's being forced to by the gods Not exactly innocent but not totally a monster either. Even when he tries to resist he gets tortured to break his will.

The series will be called: Final Fantasy : god slayer And both of the team up with kratos...haahahah

Joseph Lankford That was what Episode Lunafreya was going to be about, but unfortunately they cancelled Episode Aranea and Lunafreya, so it’s Dawn of the Future you’ll have to read to get that ending where everyone murks Bahamut.

here here!

Shakespeare

What's funny is that I'm here after reading Dawn of the Future (the other half of FFXV's story) and thats pretty much how it ends, everyone fighting Bahamut @Joseph lol

Episode Ardyn sure takes that meaning to a whole new level.

*spoilers* Well, atleast he takes Noctis _with_ him as he dies...

Nah, I truly believe the darkness is twisting his memories and thoughts. Making him think that saomos was evil and did this out of selfishness. Saomos in ardyns memories and the one we actually see in the real world are like two different people.

@@KnightBX nope. The anime show his brother was indeed an asshole. In fact he was rounding up civilians and kill them while ardyn go around and cure people who was infected

TheBeauJOB no, that memory where he saw Somnus as jealous bitch was actually Ifrit’s memory as one of the Gods of that world. Ardyn was the actual chosen one, before Somnus take it by force. Bahamut is pretty much a flim-flam God who play around with his human toys, and when he saw Somnus had the power to beat Ardyn before and how he can manipulate their people into believing he’s the true chosen one, Bahamut changed the game and make Somnus the actual chosen king of light, while Ardyn becomes the king of darkness. Somnus was probably at first was the intended king of darkness candidate in Bahamut mind, with all his jealousy toward Ardyn being blessed. But, Bahamut like switch the role because most people at that time already believed in Somnus lies, so Bahamut make that lies becomes the truth. If you watch the tendencies of gods behaviour on previous FF stories, they always choose the path of less resistance, the path where they can keep the most number of human followers. Now imagined if Bahamut keep Ardyn as king of light, many people will be torn to believe between Ardyn and Somnus, both will claim being chosen, many will end up staying with Somnus and end up straying from the path of light anyway and may end up forming a real strong anti-God faction that might have higher chance to produced heroes that might be able to oppose Bahamut’s godhood itself...remember that even one Ardyn with his power can subdue Ifrit, one of the gods of that land. So, that’s how Bahamut decide to switch Ardyn and Somnus role, to pave the way of less resistance for his “ordained fate” to come to fruitition...Bahamut sides with whoever have the most believer at the time. Plus, Ardyn was a real pacifist, who don’t want to take life instead of giving life, you can imagined what’s on Bahamut’s mind when he saw the prospect of Somnus fighting Ardyn for the throne, if Ardyn was still the king of light, the dark Somnus might actually win.

TheBeauJOB Also when Somnus says he did what he did for the good of his people...he probably reallu meant it. He likely saw Ardyn being a pacifist king of light as something that’s not for the best for their people. It’s not a rarity for generals to believe pacifist ruler as bad for their people, because of how many threat could go unchecked due to ruler pacifistness.

Really?

and so it was ordained

Unfortunately you gotta read the rest of FFXV's story (at least at this moment in time) It's worth the read, that's all I'll say We need ffxv in next-gen consoles

Sounds like you're trying to trivialize Ardyn backstory

Think that's the point lol

As juxtaposed to Noctis (the King of Kings) Ardyn is meant to embody the Antichrist.

@@Heraldo_Del_Mar There's no such thing as the 'Antichrist.' 'AntiChrist' is originally just a term used to describe heretics and non-believers. Literally any non-christian is an Antichrist in the eyes of the early church founders. The meaning for the word just got twisted up in centuries of misconceptions.

@@Darkgun231 Hey I'm no religious nut. That fact I saw on the trivia for Ardyn's wiki.

Yeah he basically is but not lol he denies the gods and tries to help people instead of being a martyr (like Jesus) like the gods planed for him but since he heals people from the dark by taking it into himself he becomes more and more cold especially when the gods decide to make him out to be the devil to his own family lineage.

LOL

His and noctis fate were the same a fate that was unfair and pushed into them by the gods

It's made worse when you realise that 112 Lucian Kings had to have known there was a guy stuck on an island and NONE of them questioned it. King Mors, Noctis's grandfather, knew there was a guy being tortured on an island for 2000 years and ordered his kingsglaive to kill him if he escaped. And Mors has no idea who he truly is, and just buys the belief that he's evil. That's super messed up.

Even though the gods blessed him with powers to be the savior in the first place. Talk about hypocritical!

@Brandon Lester just like Garrosh

So why did he kill Luna?

@@anthonycolon2859 As an act of spite towards Noctis.

@@lesterramos6468 exactly! Noctis did nothing to him! The man who actually betrade him died many many ages ago. Why kill innocent people of Lucis who did nothing to you just because of a man who died ages ago? Ardyn basically killed people for no good reason at all. Why people say he did nothing wrong? Idk.

Rosa Bowden At the point where Ardyn kills Luna, his mind has already been twisted by the betrayal, the Starscourge, and absorbing people’s memories. Ardyn did nothing wrong to deserve the fate he got. But everything from when he fights Ifrit and onwards... he does do horrible things.

The game was piss poorly done. There was no organisation, no backup plan. It was all done in a scurry.

Glad im not the only one who had that vibe!

It sucks how he turned bad but I very much like him as the bad guy.

Sephiroth: Am i a joke??

But whether he resists it or accepts it, it is bound to happen.

Dr. Smash are you fucking dense???? He isn't bad, he was forced by the gods to be bad even though he was a good guy

@@KanadeHaruhi yet he is fine with killing all those people in insomnia before he is told by bahamut what his fate is? Ardyn is not a good person. I'd advise you to look into determinism and some basic philosophy, determinism is the main theme behind XV. If you believe in free will as a concept then Ardyn is fully to blame for everything he does. If you believe in hard determinism then everyone eis blameless for everything, yes even Bahamut is blameless.

Sairagna Well, not everything is black and white. Ardyn used to be a good person. And then he became a not-so-great person.

@@lahyte_5925 ardyn did a pretty big 180 though, his betrayal shouldn't have made him into a merciless killer of innocents if he really cared about people. The starscourge that he took unto himself mightve had something to do with that, the other Demons that succumbed to the starscourge like the emporor also became delusional and obsessed. It just pisses me off that people are willing to be so critical of Somnus when Ardyn has a far bigger body count. They're both pretty horrid human beings.

Neither decision mattered, him resisting or embracing, since they both led to the same location and drive in the end. Which is sad given how much he's had to sacrifice already and how much more he'd have to up until the end of the game.

Ironically enough, Bahamut looks similar to Somnus & Noctis as well

The decision would matter canonically if the new dlcs weren't canceled. Submit to fate = original ending Resist fate = Dawn of the future ending where Ardyn teams up with Noct to kill Bahamut

@@heretic124 there was supposed to be another dlc???? Daaamn

@@bastiisalive FFXV director left Square Enix so they canceled them. But there's a book Dawn of the Future that describes the events of canceled dlcs as well as Episode Ardyn's story in greater detail. I'm reading it right now and came here to refresh my memory of what actually got into the episode.

Yeah, I'm fine with DLC filling in the gaps, but in Ardyn's case it completely changes how you look at him. It actually reminded me that I probably shouldn't buy FF16 until its clear what DLC comes out, so I can figure out if I need to wait for a complete edition. Kind of sad that that's where we're at now.

:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D God,sweety,your comment killed me...

I really hate this world's gods, they are making him move like a puppet to play there stupid game. It's like he has no choice but play his role in all this.

@@sainttan Yeah, gods are shit. At least our G to the O to the D knows that he'd be a terrible leader and muck everything up if he tried to intervene directly, and just lets us humans do what we want, only bothering with us after we die.

Friend thought I was watching porn at first

Lord doober de la goober Someone on Tumblr actually put all of Ardyn’s moaning voice clips together and that’s exactly what it sounds like 😂

Someone finally said it 😂

I know, that's why I won't be playing this game on my tv. my mom is gonna be like WTF ARE YOU DOING?!

Glad I'm wearing headphones

Agreed. I like how different FF XIII trilogy and FF XV is. FF XIII is all about defying their fates and turning their backs against their gods. FF XV is all about accepting your fate, and no matter what you do, you will never escape it.

Episode Ardyn is definitely, but I'm here after reading Dawn of the Future... they definitely defied their fate(s) lol@@raizer1946 - so glad we finally got the other half of FFXV's story. I recommend it to everyone

So it would seem, I mean, Ignis is the anomaly however, which makes him so interesting, he changed everything, and changed the fate of everyone, saving Noctis, by using the ring himself, in the Ignis DLC, where in one of the timelines, he defeats Ardyn, Noctis finishes his task in the crystal, and banishes Ardyn, without having to sacrifice himself. This means Ignis is the only one in the final fantasy 15 universe to disobey the gods, and change the fate they had set out.

Lol oh no you're upset that people can rise to a godly example of service and sacrifice whilst gods themselves can exhibit the most callous of human behaviours? My heart bleeds for you.

YES! It DOES *NOT* fit!

That, that's what I dont get. if someone said "hey I made you suffer only so you'll become some evil dark lord to spread darkness all over the land just so a kid who isn't even born yet will want to try and kill you and he'll succeed if he tries" You'll can probably guess the last thing I'm going to do

Ardyn should become Kratos and kill this freaking Optimus Prime!!!

@@kingshaiboof2213 he trying to do what the god told him but he actually planning to let only noctis die but he failed and die too.

I love it

Virgo I bet in the Ff worlds it’s a bit like star wars, where there isn’t actual good or evil, only the light and dark side of the force. In Ff there is only light and darkness, each side being neither good nor bad but for some reason in opposition to eachother.

@@Shmynkellbonkenstein That is actually an interesting way to look at their worlds now that you mention it.

It still doesn't excuse his actions is the problem, people always try so hard to defend evil deeds, it's really a shame because no one ever seems to want to defend good deeds anymore but are desperate for some reason to excuse the bad ones and unless you're a child you know the difference between right and wrong so you can shove that prospective nonsense, guess what? people who horrible things happened to can still be good people and not go around taking out their pain and ugliness on others, you don't get a pass just because you have bad s*** happen to you to do it unto others

THIS^. I don't think the Niflheim empire isn't as bad as the Lucians made it out to be because 1. They're enemies 2. Niflheim NEVER dehumanised Ardyn like the Lucians did. They could have, but they didn't. Also remember that the starscourge was infecting innocent people. Instead of torturing them like the Lucians, the empire celebrates them and they probably treated the ones who didn't want to infected too (besides where Verstael is involved). I got the feeling that the majority of people who suffered in the imperial invasions were the royals. Yeah, there's some civilian causalities, but I'm almost certain that the Lucians racked up an impressive body count too. It's just that they were imperials and the Lucian government ran propaganda to make it look like the Lucian military is benevolent and defenders of the light.

@@maximesaindon3552 So it makes it okay because they were "maybe" only experimenting on enemy soldiers? Right... and I guess Altissha was also just a weird coincidence of events, they didn't completely take that place over and kill the family that was in charge there, only managing to keep control the people and stop them rebelling because they kept key members alive to keep them subjugated, it's amazing the type of bull that people will try to defend, it makes me really glad this is fiction not that the garbage people try to defend in real life is any better, there's trying to see two sides and then there's just trying to make every excuse of a book for why no matter how shady it is just as bad if not worse than trying to defend the Empire from Star Wars, just stop. As I said no one ever wants to defend good deeds just look for ugliness in the good even if it's not the person who is at the the forefront who is currently doing anyting they'll literally breaking their spine trying to find excuses for the bad though, also if the Altissia thing didn't make it clear it wasn't only insomnia that had issues with the empire, they are an Empire because they took over and conquered multiple peoples who were already individual places which is obviously never good.

Who?

@@sinac8 Spoiler warning below. Bunevelzha from the Novas Nebula Chrysalles series. If you look at Bahamut's Sillouete as he disappears, he looks exactly like Bunevelzha during the FF13-3 boss battle. Plus, when he said that everything that happens to mankind was preordained was a lie. If that were indeed true, then Ifrit would not have been surprised by Ardyn's Starscourge

Seeing as this Final Fantasy was supposed to be part of the Crystal storyverse, it's not surprising if Bahamut was really Bunivelze under another name in this reality

Each person is the "hero" of their stories!

I kept thinking about that, and... Our boy was...very spoiled, arrogant, and wary. I dont think he wouldve ever believed this random old man who is also the chancellor of niflheim over literally everyone he knows saying not to trust him because he's "the adagium". Crownsguard kept trying to kill him when he was just a disoriented, shirtless man in immense pain. If they were all taught to kill on sight or "die trying", then I dont have much hope for Noctis being the reasonable one... There was only one fic that tried this, but an au of if Noct had met Ardyn when he was younger. It was a good read, think it was called "Dear Nephew".

Unfortunately I think Noctis was too brainwashed. Being the Crown Prince he's been spoon-fed Lucian propaganda and beliefs since day 1. He'd never believe the Founder King was a murderer or that Ardyn is worth listening to.

Actually, no. That wouldn't have worked. Life is not a Disney movie or sitcom where problems stop by saying "sorry". At the beginning of the Episode Ardyn, he was aware that vengeance was out of reach but got pulled to be a monster because Bahamut ordained it. Noctis wouldn't have believed Ardyn anyway. Be real here: Would you just take a person's word if they claimed your great ancestor was responsible for stealing a birthright that happened centuries ago? Would you even believe if someone walked up to you and claimed they are an ancient royal? Doubt you would.

Hi there!! Here after reading Dawn of the Future. I can say, they shouldnt have cancelled those DLC... Dawn of the Future really answers everything Sure you gotta read a book to know the other half of the story... but the story itself is phenomenal

He got nothing together. He was unrepentant to the end and was only sad his brother suffered but still believed his actions were necessary.

@@EmptyMan000 He even admitted to his jealousy having fueled his actions in backstabbing his brother and usurping the throne. I mean....come on. If ppl call Ardyn evil, we must call Somnus evil.

@@rai4119 Somnus is the true definition of the "False King"

He's not Jesus. Ardyn is never Jesus and never will be him. Jesus is Holy and is full of light and truth and he's God's son and him and God are one, he's God. Jesus is all good and has no evil. Ardyn is fictional and he's not God. Jesus however is real an is God. Here's another truth and I pray you'll listen, Jesus had to go to the cross for our sins. For all of us, he couldn't be sinful and do that, he was and is forever sinless. Jesus was fully God and fully man. Jesus not only could, but did live his whole life without sin. 1 Peter 2:22 says, "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." 1 John 3:5 says, ". . . And in him is no sin." And also The sinless Jesus was a perfect sacrifice. We read that God sent His Son into the world (John 10:36). He was expressly sent to live a sinless life and die as a criminal to take on the penalty of sinners pardoning them for their sins. 1 Peter 2:24 explains: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."This was God's plan from the beginning. He knew that we would need a redeemer. And God knew that without a redeemer an savior we were dead in our sins. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." John 3:16-17, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."Jesus saves all who will receive His gift of salvation. Jesus saves all those who fully trust in His sacrifice alone as the payment for sin (John 3:16; Acts 16:31). While Jesus’ sacrifice was perfectly sufficient to pay for the sins of all humanity, Jesus only saves those who personally receive His most precious of gifts (John 1:12).God offers forgiveness to anyone and everyone who will repent and believe and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation. This includes those involved in any sin. Once salvation through Christ is received, God will begin the process of destroying the acts of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) and developing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Sometimes God removes our desire for a particular sin and other times He gives us strength to resist temptation. The process of transformation takes a lifetime. When we fail, God is faithful to forgive and cleanse (1 John 1:9). He is also faithful to complete His work in us (Philippians 1:6). The promise of a "new creation" is available to anyone who will trust in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). When Jesus saves us our past is gone our sins are washed away by his precious blood and we new creations in Christ Jesus📖🕊2 Corinthians 5:17-18 (KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Dude talking about Hella religion bout Jesus, hey this is a free county if he wanna call him dark jesus why not, Bible verses not necessary im sure he was talking about the story of Jesus. For all we know is the Bible you read is 100% correct 🤷‍♂️ we don't know but a great idea that it was tampered with especially with king James name behind it. So before you judge someone with all these bible verses there's a place for that and that is a church somewhere. If dude wanna say dark jesus l have no problem with it after all he is describing how ardyn character is✌ there is no need for all that bible verse crap

Gabrielle Vanderwolf wow that’s a lot to read

Nope. Pretty sure I'd just sit and be sad or do other things to not listen to them but not go kill people...

See i can't believe that since they were the one's who gave him the power to cure it to begin with. It was like they knew what he would do. They problem had everything planned which is why bahamut interfered when he did and not before

Those Astrals are not real gods in my eyes. The real Gods never ask for blood sacrifices like those required by Bahamut, especially to doom oneselve's own soul and to doom 99% of world's population. I suspect Bahamut is the one who created or brought the Starscourge to Eos in order to fulfil his own agenda. And the civilization of Solheim must have been ended because I suspect the Solheimees did somehow learn about the Astral's intents and tried to stop them. What if, in reality, Ifrit was on Solheim's side and later after his defeat, the Cosmology stories were written to demonify him like the one who almost destroyed the first humanity generation?

Alvin Lim Remember, everything is preordained, Bahamut stated this himself during the defy fate ending. With that in mind, this being an alternate decision to rectify the outright horrible hand dealt to Ardyn is a nice but unlikely.

I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted the tone of your comment, but......have you seen the Prompto DLC? (I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not is all)

@@Maidenstear Yeah, I know Versatel is Prompto's dad, i'm just saying because he's younger in this DLC he just looks a lot like Prompto

@@kels-chan5660 oh, okay, my bad. Sorry!

@@Maidenstear No, it's alright 😊

Uhh, yeah. Promti is a clone, along with the MagiTek soldiers