Find the Limit on Track (Quickly & Predictably)

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5 жыл бұрын

How do we find the limit on track in a safe and predictable way? Often, drivers find it hard to drive a car right on the limit and fear pushing too hard and overstepping the mark.
In this video, Scott Mansell runs us through a strategy to quickly and predictably find the limit when driving on circuit.
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@lespaz1197 5 жыл бұрын

With these videos I wish I was 15 again when I was racing Gokarts. You're a joy to watch Scott Mansell

@Driver61 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Really appreciate that.

@kiketts 4 жыл бұрын

@@Driver61 Thanks for your amazing job. Please come to Barcelona to do a clinic!!

@valterdasilva3558 4 жыл бұрын

Professional advice for committed drivers, on track or on SIM. beautiful, Scott.

@glennwilliams3692 4 жыл бұрын

Donut media told me to sub...so I did.

@norwegianmountainbiker236 4 жыл бұрын

Came here from Donut Media and I dont reget it. This is super helpful

@Tweej 3 жыл бұрын

You might even say... You donut regret it!

@davidconnelly3305 4 жыл бұрын

That weight transfer makes so much sense. Hanging for a Track day now.

@musicgonnahelpme 4 жыл бұрын

Dear Scott. There is one topic about racing that is not covered on KZfaq. It is about how you should shift gears into a corner. When is it better to go on 1st gear and when on the 2nd when you are taking a hairpin like 1st turn in Monza for example. Would really be great if you could share any ideas about it!

@964tractorboy 4 жыл бұрын

Always very straightforward and logical advice. And always a pleasure to watch. Thanks.

@angryginger791 5 жыл бұрын

More good stuff here, Scott. Thanks! Your videos have helped me quite a bit in sim racing. My lap times have come down and many times I've found myself with an advantage over an opponent thanks to something I learned here. Looking forward to the next one!

@StewartCalder 5 жыл бұрын

I put all his advice together and binned a £2m ford gt on my first hot lap. Thanks very much Scott!!!

@Driver61 5 жыл бұрын

Completely my fault! I'm so sorry!

@MrBIOSkunk 5 жыл бұрын

You know if you blame you won't learn

@z06king 3 жыл бұрын

Well, with the high polar moment of a mid engine car, you should have started with the Toyota MR2 to get the feel of how quick a mid engine car rotates. but to be fair , I have come close in my Z06(not L2M! sorry, no pound sign here)

@ziggyfreud5357 5 жыл бұрын

Great pointers on safely approaching the limit. Have watched all of your vids and continue to watch them as refreshers. Cheers

@Driver61 5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Ziggy!

@tsotnegeguchadze7505 4 жыл бұрын

Love your channel, can u do videos on different kind driving styles depending on car specifications (fwd, rwd, awd, mid front rear engine layout....)it would be great !

@veterinarysurgicalservices5685 5 жыл бұрын

As always, very informative and helpful information. Enjoyed watching it! For anyone who has not seen Scott's driver's University tutorials, I highly recommend them

@Driver61 5 жыл бұрын

Thank very much Callum, glad you're making use of them!

@deldridg 5 жыл бұрын

As always, you have a wonderful way of getting a message across and after many years of driving and studying cornering, I've gained some valuable insights here. Many thanks for your efforts and cheers from Sydney, Aust - Dave

@Driver61 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment Dave!

@x-fast_eddie-x9856 5 жыл бұрын

Another excellent video.

@onemorething100 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not a racer -Except on my PS4- but these videos are intriguing and you have a gift for teaching it.

@sabercruiser.7053 4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU MASTER.

@imaweerascal 4 жыл бұрын

That's really helpful, thanks. I find it v. tricky to think about weight transfer in a sim, mainly because there's no direct sensation I assume. Do you think this is easier in RL racing?

@twr959 5 жыл бұрын

im driver mor than 15 years but I have to say all your tips worth it 100 thanks Mansel

@Abhishek-150 5 жыл бұрын

You are awesome

@markwestlake710 5 жыл бұрын

Very good video that would be enhanced with in car video examples

@FairladyS130 3 жыл бұрын

I can't see how that can be done when it's all about feel and slight changes in car attitude which would not translate visually. Do you really understand what he's talking about?

@N00N3Y1122 3 жыл бұрын

Radical RSX in the thumbnail! You drive many of the radical for coaching Scott??

@Creeperboy099 4 жыл бұрын

You are basically like Ryosuke Takahashi in real life

@artnull13 3 жыл бұрын

Even delivered tofu in his VW Golf R

@thatfunnykekguy6377 2 жыл бұрын

That's too boring lol

@chickenonwaffles106 5 жыл бұрын

This, is amazing.

@ThisMarv 4 жыл бұрын

Have been watching loads of videos since the Donut shout-out! I'd love to get into racing myself! I'm 24 now, but it feels like I'm already too old as you always hear that everyone started driving at a young age and have been driving for years. Am I too old? If not, what'd be the best way to start at that age?

@DavidGarcia-oi5nt 4 жыл бұрын

I'd recommend going to your local track, getting your racing license and giving it a shot with your personal car, after that you can start asking around at the track for what kind of events are available to you. I've gotten my start through ice racing and currently am prepping for my first rally event

@trumanhw 2 жыл бұрын

are you sure that saying that we "approach these limits with smooth input" doesn't require it to be a high-speed corner..? You say slow or medium, but how can I do trail braking of decelerating for an extra second while remaining at the limit of adhesion unless I'm going about 80 MPH..?

@Twobarpsi 4 жыл бұрын

Listen for tire squeal.

@Dae52 7 ай бұрын

My big issue with sim racing is I started off in heavy shitbox cars, so I got a good feel for a car that doesn't have a lot of grip and downforce, and when I go to a car that does (like an F1 car for example) I always overestimate how much grip it has. It doesn't cause me to crash because I can control the mistakes, but I either overdrive or underdrive the corner and it's fuck near impossible to get into a rhythm and just vibe when you're screwing up every other corner. It's only an issue I have in high downforce cars.

@grandgalloph1n1 4 жыл бұрын

Pherifiral vision takes care of entry /apex / vision acquity takes care of farr vision to make ur turn as smoth as possible

@johnfilios8759 4 жыл бұрын

Nice shave!

@z06king 3 жыл бұрын

My T1 spec Corvette Z06 goes from understeer to snap oversteer, and scares the shit out of me. Should I just look for time on the corners with longer radii to have time to try to smoothly go from under to balanced to oversteer? thanks.

@FairladyS130 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps you should get a more predictable handling car.

@dalethompson2134 5 жыл бұрын

I think trying to make the car understeer as a first step in feeling the limit of grip might not be that useful. Better to get the car turning in quickly enough so that you can feel the rotation of the chassis on the contact patches while the tyres are building up grip. With the rotation stabilized in the mid corner, this is an indication you could push harder next time. If the rotation feels like it wants to go on with it, this will be advance warning that a correction is required. If the car does get out of line, then pull back just that little bit next time around.

@beveragessimracing8879 5 жыл бұрын

I get what you are saying, but this is also about finding the limit safely... Understeer is the safest kind of traction loss so it's not entirely incorrect. As with everything it's all personal preference.

@ArchOfficial 4 жыл бұрын

Both are valid and useful IMO. Depends a lot on the corner, road conditions, car's setup etc. We must remember that a rear wheel drive car fully using the rear tires cannot accelerate on top, so it can be beneficial in some cars in some corners to take a set, understeer slightly then hammer the power for an overall more optimal time. Then there's stuff like the Supertourer FWD cars where they're tuned to slide on entry specifically to *save* tires. Don't need to steer and power as much with the fronts if you carry in speed and rotate.

@heatht68 5 жыл бұрын

Scott, love your tutorials... thanks for making them, but I feel like you missed the mark a bit here... I too struggle to find the limit some time, but a limit to "push" is easy to identify... I think the original questions are about finding the limit to a nice comfortable neutral "on throttle oversteer"... Pushing is safe, but a little loose is fast... And nothing beats the feeling when you have that perfectly balanced but slightly loose car that allows good rotational control with subtle throttle modulations...

@ravey1981 5 жыл бұрын

He does explain that once slight understeer is found and controlled which put you in the ballpark of the right speed for the corner then the balance can be brought backward again by braking deeper until youngo through neutral and into very slight oversteer which as you say is usually quickest. You can't predictably go straight into that state though as you have no idea where the limit is. This method is a safe method of approaching the limit in the first place.

@heatht68 5 жыл бұрын

@@ravey1981 Thanks for this added comment! Like the finish on a fine steak... Your artfully composed sentences seem to be the quick final summation, that brings it all together. Maybe I missed these suggestions from Scott the first time I watched the video... Anyway, Great points ravey... I'll give it all a try and hope it leads me to that perfect balance with a more consistent, and more importantly, a "repeatable" approach!

@Sweetheartxx195 4 жыл бұрын

@@ravey1981 this method is actually how I set my tire pressures! I find peak traction and see what the car does with different inputs and adjust from there where I want the pressures to make the car respond differently

@grandgalloph1n1 4 жыл бұрын

gr8 point on vision 90% of a driver's info comes from vision

@t8365 5 жыл бұрын

@driver61 Can you make a video or share your opinion on what happened in the Canadian GP please?

@DavidGarcia-oi5nt 4 жыл бұрын

I highly recommend Jolyon Palmer's breakdown on the F1 channel, you are referring to Vettel's entrance back into the track and having to squeeze Hamilton into the wall so he wouldn't get passed, yes?

@t8365 4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt yeah I think so , it was that long ago now. But thankyou for this information nonetheless 👌.

@justinwong833 5 жыл бұрын

@jspesh 5 жыл бұрын

Hey are you related to Nigel Mansell?

@steverabbits 5 жыл бұрын

Can't be, he doesn't have the family 'tache! 😄

@abereinhartz4435 5 жыл бұрын

Johnson s

@WsFood 4 жыл бұрын

I'm listening. You're handsome.😄😄👍👍

@leandrormor 5 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your content and the way you AMAZINGLY present it however I'd say you might reach more people if you use a sim (really any decent sim: assetto corsa, iracing, rfactor, project cars 2, gran turismo sport or many of them) to TELL AND SHOW wha't you're explaning, three cameras might do the magic (one for the foot and for the wheel and one for the face beyond the sim running in the background). Maybe even providing exercises.. anyway, keep doing it. thanks a lot

@FairladyS130 3 жыл бұрын

No.

@grandgalloph1n1 4 жыл бұрын

You should put every diff car you drive to its limit and behond to tame the beast lool

@corat248 4 жыл бұрын

is this guy a Mansell, as in Nigel Mansell's son?

@Twobarpsi 4 жыл бұрын

Wondering that too...

@Tj930 4 жыл бұрын

Do you shave the beard for extra lightness and speed? 😉 (Does it work for eSports?)

@tiagobelo4965 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is especially effective on open top cars since it makes you more aerodynamic

@scottbartlett4853 3 жыл бұрын

So, I've always hated understeer and I generally attribute it to front wheel drive vehicles. With a rear wheel drive I can push the car around with brute force to make it do what I want. However, understeer especially with FWD I feel that I've lost control. What I'm seeing now is my braking technique needs a lot of work. That said, I still hate FWD!

@thatfunnykekguy6377 2 жыл бұрын

If you can't control understeer, them you are doing everything wrong in your driving ... That's the most predicable and easier to fix ... If you oversteer on a FWD then you are done

@clifflee5404 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Scott, by any chance are you related to Nigel? Maybe, for fun grow a Nigel Mansell moustache? Might make you quicker? Lol. He didn't have a beard though.....hehe.

@beachboardfan9544 5 жыл бұрын

Literally just repetitively rambles until 4:08

@K4R3N 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@stretoskop 4 жыл бұрын

After first three minutes video is good and helpful. However you talk so long in the beginning just mentioning things everybody knows. It makes the video and your channel boring.