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0:00 Intro
0:23 Method 1 Calculus lmao
3:13 Method 2
6:30 The Truly elegant and circular Method 3

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@janus3042
@janus3042 2 ай бұрын
You forgot the most important way: Start with axiomatic set theory and derive all relevant theorem from scratch
@planeideas8906
@planeideas8906 2 ай бұрын
The most beautiful way is to notice that the function is convex on the positives, which is easily proven. Thus it only has one minimum. Next (now comes the beautiful part) it is invariant under the transformation x->1/x. Thus, also the minimum has to be invariant (since there is only one). This finally leads to x=1.
@alfiealfie35
@alfiealfie35 2 ай бұрын
x=-1 is also invariant so you would just have to find that there is also one maximum, and since the function has one discontinuity (x=0, where there is a singularity), you could show 1 is the minimum and -1 is max since x approaching 0+ the function goes to ∞ and same for x approaching ∞, thus 1 must be the minimum. maybe this isnt necessary and ive misunderstood your proof but nice anyway (i just think it was slightly incomplete)
@bumjkolpop2592
@bumjkolpop2592 2 ай бұрын
@@alfiealfie35however if you consider the William jamama theorem you‘ll see that your mOm is fat
@planeideas8906
@planeideas8906 2 ай бұрын
@@alfiealfie35 yes, in principle you also need to show that on the negatives there is no other minimum. But the function is only convex on the positives, so my proof only concerned the positives. To address the maximum on the negatives, you could argue that the function obeys f(-x) = -f(x), which directly implies that -1 has to be a (local) maximum. But notice that the function has no global minimum for x in the whole of R (since it goes to -infinity for x -> 0^-). So the restriction to the positives is somewhat natural.
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
That... is super elegant.
@adityamishra0706
@adityamishra0706 2 ай бұрын
AM GM is the best until u study calculus
@luisisaurio
@luisisaurio 2 ай бұрын
Pretty straightforward
@adityamishra0706
@adityamishra0706 2 ай бұрын
@@luisisaurio I know but I'm saying that it is lengthy as compared to calculus
@cremath
@cremath 2 ай бұрын
It looks like my hands are tied huh😂
@Smitology
@Smitology 2 ай бұрын
My first question is, over what domain? It's clear we can make the function arbitrarily small by approaching x=0 from the negative
@nitroh7745
@nitroh7745 2 ай бұрын
Or approaching -∞
@Wisdomtherockjhonson
@Wisdomtherockjhonson 2 ай бұрын
buh?
@karimalramlawi7228
@karimalramlawi7228 2 ай бұрын
For all x in R there is no minimum near 0 because it isn't defined No matter how small the x you will always find smaller point that is lower than that. The same thing goes for maximum near 0
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
If that's clear, then it should also be clear what the intended question was. But yes, I suppose it should have been worded better.
@gregstunts347
@gregstunts347 Ай бұрын
The question isn’t asking you to find the minimum value, it’s asking for the minimum point. A “minimum point” has to have a gradient of 0 and has to be concave up. This is different from the “minimum value”, which is just the smallest value found along an interval.
@aditya1602
@aditya1602 2 ай бұрын
Tan u =x F(x)=tan u + cot u tan u = cosec 2u - cot 2u cot u= cosec 2u +cot 2u F(x)=2cosec 2u =>2
@xinpingdonohoe3978
@xinpingdonohoe3978 2 ай бұрын
Excellent.
@camicus-3249
@camicus-3249 2 ай бұрын
based
@Dom-kp6ur
@Dom-kp6ur 2 ай бұрын
ima do this next time I have to find a minimum and confuse everyone lol
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
Haha that's a lot of firepower for this problem, but still quite the interesting method. I'd be wary of invoking too many identities though, since you wanna ensure everything you're doing is justifiable without using calculus.
@koenth2359
@koenth2359 2 ай бұрын
In Spanish notation, the parentheses are superfluous and usually omitted.
@karimalramlawi7228
@karimalramlawi7228 2 ай бұрын
You can imagine an horizontal line with value c that intersects with the function such that you can use the quadratic equation to find all possible c which gives you at the end c²-4>=0 Because we want only real solution. and because we can have two roots for x that means that the horizontal line intersects twice with the function so we choose |c|=2 to get one root for x and knowing that |c| can't be less than 2 we know for sure that the minimum is at x = 1 when c = 2
@valdemie4235
@valdemie4235 2 ай бұрын
Spanish notation would make parentheses redundant when factorials are applied to large expressions. ¡Clearly another W from the superior orthography!
@xinpingdonohoe3978
@xinpingdonohoe3978 2 ай бұрын
|¡i!|=√(π cschπ) is just a headache.
@luggepytt
@luggepytt 15 күн бұрын
The frogs in my garden pond solved it like this: Observe that (√x - 1/√x)² = x - 2 + 1/x Hence x + 1/x = (√x - 1/√x)² + 2 This quadratic form has a minimum value of 2 when (√x - 1/√x) = 0 which happens when x = 1
@jeanpleurezz3381
@jeanpleurezz3381 2 ай бұрын
No possible answer as the limit in 0- is -∞.
@xinpingdonohoe3978
@xinpingdonohoe3978 2 ай бұрын
Depends on the meaning of the question. Find a local minimum works. Or you could infimise the function, and get -∞ as your answer.
@alxjones
@alxjones 2 ай бұрын
First, x + 1/x -> -infinty as x -> 0 from the left, so I'm going to assume we are minimizing over positive x. Notably, when x > 0, y = x + 1/x > 0 as well. Doing some rearranging, we get that x^2 - yx + 1 = 0. We want to minimize y, so we choose the smallest positive y such that there exists a positive x which satisfies the equality. Since it is a quadratic, we know there exists a real x which satisfies it whenever the discriminant is non-negative. Here, the discriminant is y^2 - 4, and the smallest positive y that keeps it non-negative is the one that makes it zero, i.e. y = 2. Plugging this back into the quadratic, we can see that x =1 > 0, so this is a valid choice and thus it is the minimum.
@manasijbhattacharjee959
@manasijbhattacharjee959 2 ай бұрын
What a coincidence!! Today only, I watched a visual proof of this.. They took a right angle triangle with two legs as x-1/x and 2 respectively. So the third side must be - x+1/x (By Pythagorean theorem). Now we know that hypotenuse must be greater than legs - so x+1/x ≥ 2
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
I did something somewhat similar to method 3, but not quite as rigorous: Let x + 1/x = b and multiply by x. Then you get a quadratic x^2 - bx + 1 = 0 This has a repeated root at stationary points (graphically, this is obvious), and we get b = 2 as the relevant minimum.
@pandiest7764
@pandiest7764 2 ай бұрын
last time i was this early to a papa flammy video, andrew was being fed in the basement
@dimastus
@dimastus 2 ай бұрын
method 3 is mvp for me... though I would approach in a bit different way. 1) Suppose we have positive a and x, such that a=1/x+x 2) Multiply it by x and gather all terms on one side: x^2-a*x+1=0 3) we got quadratic equation but we already know the x (by assumption 1), so we know there is at least one root. So the determinant must be nonnegative D = a^2-4*1*1 = a^2-4 >= 0 4) and so a>=2 In the end we got: if a=1/x+x then a>=2. I like this method more, since we find "2" and not consider it from the begining
@Alex-jk2qy
@Alex-jk2qy 2 ай бұрын
Hi Papa Flammy, I've been wondering for quite some time about how I can find a global maximum and minimum of a function? I realize that taking the derivative test only guarentees local extrema points and not global ones. Is it sufficient to say that, if we have f: I-> R, if I is closed then it must have a minimum and maximum by the EVT, therefore if we have an increasing function on some part of the domain, or a decreasing function on some part of the domain, if we then substitute the outermost part of the domain where f is decreasing/increasing, and then compare it to the local extreme points which we get by differentiating our f, see which is bigger and conclude on that? Is this enough? Also, say f: I-> R, I is an open interval, then we do the same approach however we take the limit and now say they would be our supremum and infimum? I have searched wide and far through the internet but I cannot quite find a good solution about finding global min and maxes of functions. Also, have you considered doing videos on complex integration? Things like contour integration I believe need a lot more "Bigger picture videos" then there are on the internet at the moment, I can't quite find a good intuition about understanding how they work. Thank you for your time and hope you have a great day!
@woody442
@woody442 2 ай бұрын
There is no shortcut for finding the global minimum. You have to find and compare all local minima and check the boundaries.
@joelklein3501
@joelklein3501 2 ай бұрын
Let f(x) = x + 1/x | x € R\{0} Notice that f(1/x) = 1/x + x = f(x) From this we get two cnadidates for extremum points, x=+-1 , sinc for example for all x>1, f(x) > f(1), then necessarily for all 0 2 = f(1), so our guess will be that 1 is a minimum point Let x>0 We will try to find a solution to the inequality f(x) > f(1) x + 1/x > 2 x² + 1 > 2x x² - 2x + 1 > 0 (x-1)² > 0 This inequality holds for all x=/1 in the domain ==> x = 1 is a minimum of the function, solved using algebra only
@RudyMaster01
@RudyMaster01 2 ай бұрын
You could also use graph where take f(x) = max(x,1/x) which would give you the minimum point of the graph at (1,2)
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
That only works by coincidence. In general if you want to minimise a sum of functions f(x) + g(x), you cannot simply apply this logic.
@Hadar1991
@Hadar1991 2 ай бұрын
So, lets just assume that minimum exist and it equals m. So there exist x =/= 0 such as: x + 1/x = m we can multiply it by x and just solve for x. We get rather nasty x1 and x2, but we know that extremum of that will be at arithmetic mean of x1 and x2. Luckily the mean is rather nice: mean(x1, x2) = m/2 So we know that the point we are looking for has following form: (m/2; m). So it must be true that: f(m/2) = m m/2 + 1/(m/2) = m which has two nice solution: m = -2 and m = 2 But we know we are looking for a point that has form (m/2, m), so we get two points: (-1, -2) and (1, 2) Problem is I am not really sure how to proof which point is minimum and which point is maximum without calculus.
@AffeUwU
@AffeUwU 2 ай бұрын
Muirhead: (1, -1) majorizes (0,0) -> sum_sym xy^-1 >= sum_sym 1 = 2 Let y = 1, then sum_sym xy^-1 = x + x^-1 -> x+x^-1>=2 and equality when x = 1. This proof is only valid when x is a nonnegative teal number, but if x could be a negative real number, then the minium value would approach -inf.
@nanamacapagal8342
@nanamacapagal8342 2 ай бұрын
MY SOLUTION (SPOILERS!) I have the stinking suspicion that the answer is gonna be f(1) = 2 only considering the positive domain, of course pf: f(1/x) = f(x) which means I can just focus my attention on x >= 1 \begin{SKIPPABLE} split f(x) into x and 1/x. Notice that for all x >= 1, 0 < x = 1, x < f(x) = 2. \end{SKIPPABLE} Show that f(x) is increasing along the interval [1, +inf) Assume we have some x >= 1 and some positive offset s > 0. Then the goal is to show that f(x) < f(x+s). We have the following chain: f(x) = x + 1/x = (x+s)(x + 1/x)/(x+s) = (x^2 + 1 + sx + s/x)/(x+s) = (x^2 + 1 + sx)/(x+s) + (s/(x+s))(1/x)
@donkosaurus
@donkosaurus 2 ай бұрын
idk about minimum but choose negative delta when delta is smol, or very big, either is fine
@kb27787
@kb27787 2 ай бұрын
Assuming real numbers, A + B is always greater or equal to 2sqrt(AB) because (sqrt (A) - sqrt (B))^2 must either be positive or zero; in other words: (sqrt (A) - sqrt (B))^2 not less than 0; Multiply out and add 2 sqrt(A)sqrt(B) to both sides We get: A + B not less than 2 sqrt(A)sqrt (B) In this case the minimum is 2sqrt(x* 1/x) = 2 which is our answer.
@brandonklein1
@brandonklein1 2 ай бұрын
If x is positive, then noting that f(x) = f(1/x) implies an extrema at x = 1/x --> x =1 --> f(1) = 2. endpoints imply a minimum since f(0+) = f(+infty) = +infty.
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
Well, the endpoints aren't sufficient for the minimum. You also need to know there's only one extremum. And that's not implied by f(x) = f(1/x) alone (indeed you can construct functions with as many extrema as you like satisfying that functional equation). Setting that aside, how do you even know x = 1 is an extremum? For a continuous function, say. And by "extremum" I mean that it's the local maximum or minimum in some sufficiently small interval around it. I don't disagree, hell, I actually completely agree that this should be the case, I'm just unsure how you'd show it to be so. Edit: I know how to do it for a differentiable function with continuous derivative. I'm willing to conjecture that this is also a necessary condition, as if it doesn't hold, you can potentially let the function vary like x^2sin(1/x) near x=1 (much like the "topologist's sine curve") and fill in the gap at x=1 to establish continuity, also maintaining differentiability, with a derivative everywhere. And the derivative is indeed 0 at x=1. But it's not a minimum, as you can always find points smaller in any interval ; not a maximum for the same reason. Hell, similar reasoning shows it can't even be an inflection point. It's a weird critical point, and a somewhat pathological counterexample admittedly.
@random19911004
@random19911004 2 ай бұрын
Complete the square on sqrt(x)^2 + (1/sqrt(x))^2 = (sqrt(x) + 1/sqrt(x) )^2 -2 = (sqrt(x) - 1/sqrt(x) )^2 + 2
@nuclearrambo3167
@nuclearrambo3167 2 ай бұрын
over which interval
@TheDannyAwesome
@TheDannyAwesome 2 ай бұрын
I've done a lot of inequality problems for fun with my colleague and I've found that they're always either AMGM, Jensen, or Cauchy-Schwarz
@snappy4212
@snappy4212 2 ай бұрын
Haven’t watched the video yet but it’s literally: AM-GM: x+1/x >= 2sqrt(x*1/x). So x + 1/x >= 2 meaning the it’s smaller value is 2
@tszhanglau5747
@tszhanglau5747 2 ай бұрын
My rule of thumb is "the minimum value of x+f(x) is reached when x=f(x)",not sure if this works for all f(x), and may need AM GM for multiple terms
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
Doesn't work at all. Consider f(x) = 1/x^2. Advice: Before declaring a rule of thumb, maybe try it out on a non-trivial example. Better yet, justify it.
@tszhanglau5747
@tszhanglau5747 2 ай бұрын
@@fahrenheit2101 good to know rip
@the_multus
@the_multus 2 ай бұрын
Well, It doesn't prove it's a minimum. You've just found some value, that doesn't exceed the function. You could've argued the same thing for 1, for that matter.
@jppagetoo
@jppagetoo 2 ай бұрын
Just plot the function. It will be obvious as x approaches +-1 the function changes directions. 1 is a local minimum. -1 is a local maximum.
@antenym8947
@antenym8947 2 ай бұрын
Normally you use calculus to plot functions unless you want to do it by putting lots of different points in a coordinate system and then drawing the graph along the points
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
@@antenym8947 You can still plot a function with simple intuition. You only need calculus for the stationary points. Here we know the graph lies entirely in the 1st and 3rd quadrants, and in particular, between the y-axis and the line y=x, and this is all easy to justify. Then, you can consider limits, and you're effectively done. But from there, you either need a lot of specific points, or some more clever work to actually get the minimum.
@aabchoudhury6368
@aabchoudhury6368 14 күн бұрын
You an simply factor it as (√x-(1/√x))² +2 minimum value of a whole square quantity is 0 so that leaves us with minimum value 2.
@Fire_Axus
@Fire_Axus 2 ай бұрын
negative infinity
@aadhavan7127
@aadhavan7127 2 ай бұрын
f(x) = 2cosh(lnx) for x>0 and cosh has a minimum of 1, so f(x) > = 2 and = 2 when x = 1
@avinashbabut.n4123
@avinashbabut.n4123 2 ай бұрын
By using Calculus, it won't come. It doesn't make sense... If you consider negative numbers also (except zero) To understand what I am saying, Take f(x) = x + 1/x So, f'(x) = 1 - 1/x^2 Thereby, the critical points are x = 1,-1 f''(x) = 2/x^3 This gives us, local maxima at x = -1 and local minima at x = 1 with the maximum value being -1 and minimum value being 1....
@anime_erotika585
@anime_erotika585 2 ай бұрын
only it's 2 and -2, and what doesn't make sense? it's local minima and maxima, not global
@xinpingdonohoe3978
@xinpingdonohoe3978 2 ай бұрын
It means there's a stationary point at x=1 which is smaller than all other f values in a δ neighborhood.
@InventiveHarvest
@InventiveHarvest 2 ай бұрын
It's easier. The X part gets further from 0 as the absolute value of x increases. The 1/X part gets closer to zero as the absolute value of X increases. They are pulling in separate directions. So, to find the extrema, just set X = 1/X and solve. The answers are 1 and -1. To find which is the max and which is the min, just plug 1 and -1 into the original equation and solve.
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
That's not even close to a convincing argument. It happens to work, but would not generalize.
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
Indeed the same logic applies to x + 1/x^2 , but the method does not apply.
@InventiveHarvest
@InventiveHarvest 2 ай бұрын
@@fahrenheit2101 1/x^2 pulls in the same direction as x when x is negative and even.
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
@@InventiveHarvest We were never discussing negative x, but if you're still not convinced, 1/x^3 fails just as hard.
@fahrenheit2101
@fahrenheit2101 2 ай бұрын
@@InventiveHarvest Also, nothing's "pulling". Pure intuition can only get you so far. Your approach as stated is not valid. There may be credence to it, but it would need to be expanded on significantly to make sense of it.
@brandonklein1
@brandonklein1 2 ай бұрын
Minimum at x approaches -infinity.
@happy.5
@happy.5 2 ай бұрын
When you realize positivity of x^2 in real world
@woody442
@woody442 2 ай бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Method 2 doesn’t proof 2 is the minimum, just that it’s a lower bound.
@blastjer
@blastjer 2 ай бұрын
It works because f(1) = 2. Obviously, since f(x) ≥ 2 for all x > 0, the minimum can't be less than 2, and since f(1) = 2, anything higher wouldn't be a lower bound. So the minimum must be exactly 2.
@woody442
@woody442 2 ай бұрын
@@blastjer Yes but that relies on insights from method 1 using calculus.
@blastjer
@blastjer 2 ай бұрын
@@woody442 Not necessarily. If you just happen to try the AM-GM inequality, you get the same result, no calculus needed. Of course, you're right that he knew the minimum because he had already found it from calculus, and that prompted the use of AM-GM, but logically method 2 is a perfectly valid proof on its own.
@woody442
@woody442 2 ай бұрын
@@blastjer but you don’t know f‘(x)=0 -> x=1, -1. So what values of x would you try to know the minimum is 2?
@blastjer
@blastjer 2 ай бұрын
@@woody442 You don't need to know that f'(x) = 0 => x = 1, -1. AM-GM gets the inequality f(x) >= 2, and you can tell that f(1) = 2 by inspection. You don't need to try particular values of x.
@caddr56
@caddr56 2 ай бұрын
Easy-peasy, plot the graph and prove that there is no global minimum and one local using the definition. No calculus needed
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 2 ай бұрын
0:03 Rosana Rodríguez-López approves. Maybe.
@mr.inhuman7932
@mr.inhuman7932 2 ай бұрын
Why didnt a get a notification?
@Anti_Yeonjun_Hotel
@Anti_Yeonjun_Hotel 2 ай бұрын
So this is the 911th video.
@erykahkimberly
@erykahkimberly 2 ай бұрын
Are you the guy who made that video 54 years ago
@uwuowo7775
@uwuowo7775 2 ай бұрын
Coolio
@Mitschy2007
@Mitschy2007 2 ай бұрын
We have to find the minimum of that function without using calculus. In the first step we use calculus to show that the function is always greater or equal to two...
@Savahax
@Savahax 2 ай бұрын
with calculus you'll also find that the function is minimised at at x=1 and the min is f(1)=2 after taking the second derivative
@nura8578
@nura8578 2 ай бұрын
Maid outfit for 400K?
@kontobiol3020
@kontobiol3020 2 ай бұрын
You should use calculus, that s all
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