I have been loyal to Vuhdo for 7 years, but navigating through the 90s Vuhdo menu is a nightmare. I think I might take a look at Cell.

In Cell you also can direct a specific place for every hot: Create a new Indicator, name it like "hot 1" add the spell ID, set up the anchor point. Do this X times and you have all your hots on fixed places. If you play multiple healers you can also add for example Reju, RM, Riptide to "hot 1" so you don´t have this work for every spec

The only reason I haven't switched wholesale over to Cell is because I can't seem two find two important functions: 1) Health Bar Colored by Debuff - Blue Health Bar for magic, green for poison, etc. The Debuff section only seems to let you color the outline of the Debuff Icon, which isn't that helpful at a glance. 2) ELVUI-style block-color indicators, instead of spell icons. I dont want or need to see my Echo Icon 25 times. It helps visual clarity just to see a yellow block ticking down, versus an icon fading away. If anybody knows how to make this happen, or, hey, if a Cell Dev is reading this - hook me up

I switched yesterday when a guildy told me about it and I’m already in love with it. I’ve used healbot for 10 years and I was ready to drop it within hours of having cell. The raid debuff section almost instantly sold me on it. It’s such a pain to set up in healbot. Cell has all the debuffs for raids and dungeons sorted by bosses in a list and you just enable/ disable what you want to see. You can also set up a hot key to black list debuffs right off the raid frame when they pop up. It’s amazing

Jak can you make a guide on how to set up cell?! That would be amazing.

CELL all the way. Switched recently and holy shit, it has everything and replaces 5 addons/weakauras

The last time I tried cell, the biggest negative was not being able to have my frame first in the list. If this is possible now, I might give it a go for a bit.

best way imo to test ui things like this is to queue follower dungeons! good video idea jak. I'm a grid boy but i definitely get the sentiment.

Bloody love add-on review videos! So important but they can take so much work. Thanks Jak!

I've been a healbot user since BC, and I do not think I will change now, but its always good to know the alternatives. Thanks for the video!

I was showing a friend who was a dps only player how to use healing frames in order to cast their targeted support abilities (brez, misdirection/tricks, bop etc.). This lead me to switch off my current raid frames I was using for Cell as I saw Jak testing them on stream and it was much more new user friendly for them and still being as customizable as I needed it to be as a long time user of healing frames.

Been using cell for a while, and not being able to sort myself in a specific spot was driving me nuts, was gonna ask how, but you explained that they added the feature in the end. What I find really annoying is that there isn’t a profile sort of section where u can select different profiles for different characters, you can only make changes based on roles. For example you can’t disable showing party on one character and enable it on another. If you disable it in one spot its disabled for all other characters too. I try to work around it by just not loading cell on characters that aren’t healers, but its super awkward. I sometimes heal on my paladin, but most of the time i want cell frames hidden as I use another frame for dps.

heard u talking about cell a few weeks ago and tested it myself. Was a long time vuhdo user, too, but haven't looked back. Cell seems very intuitive and well thought through. Thx for the rec! Looking forward to the guide/optimization video.

Cell looks fantastic, can't wait for your guide that sounds immensely helpful. Never really played healer seriously but I wanna get my UI working better

Healer frame type stuff aside, If you want to limit your FPS drops / frame lag as much as possible and have a smooth framerate during raid (assuming you have adequate RAM etc), I'd highly recommend using one of the X3D Processors from AMD (5800x3d, or 7800x3d, etc). The extra L3 cache on them hard carries FPS on wow since it's such a CPU heavy game that can utilize the 3D V-cache tech well. I basically never drop below 100 FPS in raid now, and I'm typically at 130+, even during bloodlust when there are a lot of mechanics going out. The difference was unreal.

love the eye rolling in the grid section

Amazing talk as usual, for my part i was trying all of those on my healing spec, and yeah thebest by far in my opinion was Vudho. Now im working on cell also for TWW and we'll see how its going. Thanks for the video Jak, always a pleasure to watch and learn.

Malea. He is a priest player from northern sky. His grid2 profile is the single best party/raid frame I have ever healed with. The way it tracks certain buffs is perfect for me. The entire hp bar changes colour when they have atonement on them for example. So you can quickly see who didnt get tagged with it because they are a completely different colour, rather than trying to see who is missing an icon. I have gone from using Elv ui frames, vuhdo, stock blizz frames and stuck on his grid2 profile. It is one of those addons that is 100000% modular and granular. And out the box it is a steaming pile of shit. Have a gander at some of his boss kills and you will see it in action.

Vuhdo main as well for as long as I can remember but this video was super interesting and helpful. I'm going to give Cell a try. I'm glad I got a quick preview of all the other addons so I don't have to bother struggling setting them up just to test them my self.

Great review, thanks for taking the time to make it! Does Cell allow you to bind stuff to scrolling mouse wheel up and down?

I'm giving Cell a go after seeing it on your stream, moving away from Elvui/Grid2. I got Shadowed Unit Frames to handle player, target, focus frames, etc., and it feels pretty good

I just switched to Cell from VuhDo a few weeks ago and grabbed Growl's import and I will never look back.

I’ve used Healbot since I started healing at end of Panda, tried VuhDo in Shadowlands and hated that one, so I didn’t dive any deeper into the other addons. Cell looks like it is more intuitive so I’ll probably check it out before TWW. Thanks for the video Jak.

I've been thinking of switching to cell since you were playing with it on stream. I like the fact that they have per spec settings and raid vs party settings! I've been playing holy for m+ and raid and having to change keybinds

Awsome intro to Cell. Thanks ^^

The one thing I've always looked for in regards to sorting is the one VuhDo does that sorts by Tank > Melee > Ranged > Healers. I really like to know when a player is melee or ranged because some spells are better at handling certain scenarios better. And it also helps me find people on my raid frames for certain mechanics faster since some only target 1 or the other. I haven't found any other healing addon that does this yet.

I've been meaning to switch from Vuhdo for a while but so far I have not found an other raidframe addon that has the ability to move groups within a raid separately. I really love to use this feature when the raid has to split like 1-3 right 2-4 left etc. and I can just move group 1-3 next to each other quickly, so there are not 'gaps' between the groups that are actually in range to me.

Loving cell... can't believe I may actually switch!!! How does healing adds work with cell? The click-casting does not function outside of cell.... so when I click on an add to heal them it does nothing... is there a work around for that besides clique or using in-game click casting?

Swapped from Vuhdo to Cell and I can not be happier. Seems like it improved fps a bit aswell. The only thing I kinda miss is I had a buqoet in vuhdo that would change the players raid frame from class colour to a specific colour (green for example) whenever the player had Atonement on himself. Bunch of discs use that so its easier to track atonements. Havent found that option or feature in Cell sadly, so i am getting used to tracking Atonements just via the icons on frames. Any idea if its possible to set up?

Hi Jak, thank you for this interesting video. I‘m still struggling to find my perfect UI. My current is okay. But could be better. I use Grid2 and Clique. What do you think about the TWW standard UI? I tested it in the Beta. Not so bad. But Cell seems also to be interesting.

Huge shout out to you Jak. You are a big stone in a river of doubt for new players and current when it comes to healing. I think we would hugely benefit from having a very in depth breakdown of Cell and all the workings. I am going to attempt Cell this evening or tomorrow and get back to ya :)

I never really click casted so Vuhdo was just not for me, so I used Grid2 since the original Grid came out. The complexity of it was immense, but after 15+ years of using i was used to it, so it wasn't bad. Switched to cell a few months ago and ya the difference is night and day. Cell is the only healing frames I can happily recommend to people that just works well out of the box, but also has all of the customization you would want out of unit frames.

Looking forward to that cell guide!

Cell is great. After like 13 years of Healbot i was finally done with its shenanigans and super unintuitive settings. Haven't looked back a single time. One of the things i really like about Cell for M+, is that it has a builtin list and auto display for all important debuffs from bosses and trash. It's also very easy and intuitive to set up. The only thing I'm really missing is castbars. Also missing: sounds on dispellable debuffs but i solved that with a Weakaura.

As always great review video. Definitely going to give cell a shot. As much as I enjoyed vuhdo, it will be nice to use something more streamlined

Hey Jak! Love your content and I stumbled over cell some weeks ago too. I wasn't so font of it at that time but that was mainly because I didn't put much effort into it looking the way I like. With your code it is an absolute blessing! Thanks so much and I hope we can get some updates to it in the future if you change major things :) I have been using ElvUI and Clique in the latest time after using vuhdo for quite a long time but to be honest I mostly disable anything in ElvUI except the player and target frames since the blizzard OG ones do not provide the necessary Information for me enough. Have you found any addon for this specific task yet since cell is taking care of group and raid ui? My player and target frame look a lot like yours so I would be thrilled to hear from you.

Finally found a great set of frames thanks to this video. I highly recommend Cell!

This year when I became a full time healer I went away from the base ui frames. In the past I have had elvui. This year I gave Grid2 a shot and I know your thoughts on it. I admit its very hard to learn it and I myself used another profile but in the 6 months I have had it I have made it my own and learned all there is. I agree its for the type of person that wants everything in its place which I do like. Good thing in War Within is that with all the classes getting reworks I can go to wowhead and bring up defensives and add them to a defensive cooldown indicator. Only need the spell ID really. I can make my frames go certain colors based on what debuff they have like poison but only on the class that can dispell which is very helpful. I can make earth shield stacks for resto, you name it. On cell you have layouts and in Grid2 they are called themes which do the same when you enter raids or group content. I like that if you set your buff and devuff indicator size as a % of your frame they shrink to the right size in a raid which I only learned this last few months. Its good for every healer to have a top notch addon that they like and I wuld not want to change peoples minds. I just like Grid2. :D

Pog thanks mate!

I've been enjoying ElvUI + Blizzard Click Casting for most of Dragonflight. Though I've tried out Cell and absolutely love it. I guess ElvUI is really just doing my unit frames and chat frames now - I've turned skins off for almost everything else. I'll poke around your channels for the info but I'm curious what you're using for your unit frames paired with cell

Although pretty much all my problems with Vuhdo went away when I turned off the combat log parsing (it was awfully lagging on M Tindral), It is an ancient mod, no matter how we look at it. It has always bothered me that the number of frames don't get updated in combat (for like world bosses and such), and that every class needs their own party and raid profiles set up so that the addon remembers your keybinds, so perhaps it's time for a change.

I swapped to Cell from Vuhdo/clique for Cata Classic, and really enjoying it for all roles, especially healer.

I dont want to deal with addons as much as possible and healing beyond a certain level seems to almost require it so I actually quit my priest despite having fun on it for this reason. Its really frustrating that you basically NEED addons to see any of these extra options. Oh well.

Love the vid. I think I'm doing something wrong though, I try to import your early version for cell and I keep getting an error message. It's not letting me import. thoughts?

Have the devs added the ability to have your Cell keybinds work with the default frames? I like Cell a lot, but I use the default health bars for myself and the target, and the last time I tried Cell, my keybinds didn't work with my default frames.

if you are no longer planning on using elvui, what player / target frames do you plan on using? i have been trying to get away from elvui myself. i still use the map but sexymap works for me too. main reason i use elvui is for player / target frames looks and ease of moving buffs / debuffs. aside from that, i personally use grid and have been using it forever for my raid / party frames, but after seeing your quick rundown of cell, i may switch to that because as you said, grid can be a little too much at times. plus i am just getting back into WoW after a very long break so if i were to do a major UI overhaul, now would be the best time for me i feel.

Weak auras is very optimized and you can anchor buffs/debuffs to raid frames. So you can even add special textures or glows or sizes to specific buffs, have priority, or really whatever. For me, raid frames are just health bars, weak auars manages all my buffs, debuffs, defensives, etc. Happy to show you have if you message. It's quite easy.

Grid2 + Clique =Win!

I’ve try most of them, grid, grid2, vuhdu, cell, suf and probably some other on past. Suf - just work bad for heal. Vuhdu, have biggest impact for fps, really bad settings, and some problems back time to time. Grid - love it but no longer supported Grid2 - is good, low impact on fps, a lot of settings,small details, a setup can be hard like vuhdu. sometimes triggered me, but it’s really good. For start, before u know it, it’s good to get nice string like from madskillz for example. Cell - fine for start, very easy for setup. Looks great. Low impact on fps. But sometimes makes me angry. For last 4 years in 80% of time I play with elv ui, and works well. May be not perfect, but with elv I have lover numbers of issues. Can set mostly everything I need as a heal.

Does cell has a smart cast function? If a player is dead, in vuhdo you will res him automatically, I really liked that feature

Default raid frames can show more than three buffs at a time if you make the frames wider. I've got my dungeon frames setup to show five atm.

Ditched Elvui a couple of months ago. The default is much better now and I would recommend trying it.

Been a Vuhdo user since i started healing during Legion. But boy oh boy is the interface for it clumsy and buggy and unintuitive and, at least for me, required a lot of trial and error to get stuff working. Just so that it sometimes can bug out so that i have to reload mid fight to even be able to use it. Worst offender in my opinion is the heavy toll it takes on my fps, have like twice as much fps when i go ele and don't load it. So yeah, this video comes at the perfect time, cause i since long wanted to get another healing addon, but didnt know which. Cell looks pretty promising to be my new healing addon though, thanks for showing it off :)

Swapping to Cell has been a wonderful experience for me.

Ive been thinking of moving away from elvui. Might have to get something to modify enemy cast bars though

The thing i love about Elvui frames is when they colour overlay whenever there is something to dispell. Does Cell do anything like that?

I guess its time to move on. Been using Vuhdo since BFA. And one of the issues I most disliked was how I needed to create a new profile in order to keep the addon centered while the party grew in size. So I had M+ Drakthyr, Raid up to 15 as another profile and then the up to 40 as a 3rd profile just so it stayed centered while the player frames became smaller.

The comments about how complex and menu-ridden Grid is caught me very off guard given that you were previously a Vuhdo user. Every time I've tried to setup Vuhdo, I've repeatedly gotten completely lost trying to navigate its absolute mess of a settings menu. It seemed as though the buttons on the settings UI didn't do remotely what it said they would and trying to find a setting oftentimes felt like a 20 minute game of hide-and-seek lol Cell seems cool though! I'll have to try it out

I just love Grid2. I know it's kinda hard to learn but once you get used to it you'll never gonna drop it. My Grid does exactly what i want it to do.

I used Grid until Grid2 surpassed it. Low latency is the major bonus. Being a multiclass healer, and forced by my guild to use Grid back in the day for raiding ( it allowed us to see what other healers were casting when no other raid frames did that at the time) I suppose I learned the ins and outs of grid faster. Grid2 is still my go-to but Cell looks interesting. I was always amazed how popular Vuhdo eventually became. Change is a good thing.

Healbot needs to be on this list. Healbot is what I’ve used for yearsssss and does everything you need. Healbot #1!

Do u have an idea about why combat ress seems to not cast if u have the mouse over the target ?

thx good video

Recently switched to cell from grid. All set up they are pretty much the same but I really like the little extra features cell offers. I didn't mind the setup complexity of grid. Cell is a breath of fresh air though.

Memory usage of cell compared to grid2 is insanely higher. Does this effect the performance?

Hi jack i have some problem with Primordial Wave. When i bind the spell it's says : You are in the wrong zone. Any solution for that ? Thx

I used default raid frames with bigger buffs / erf all of df, just recently switched to cell after trying grid and elv - but they were just too complicated to set up in my opinion... cell is easy to set up, but also the out of the box experience is great - will be my go-to for next expac for sure

Been using elvui for the past 8 years or so, switched to Cell earlier this year and I love it. I axed elvui completely because I also found that I use less and less features of it. I have a weakaura that hides blizzard holy power (because i have it showing via another weakaura) and play with natty UI, weakauras, plater, and Cell now. i am running around with so much more fps now =D Only weird thing tiny things that I forgot came from elvui such as auto repair, auto sell greys, see enchants on gear. If anybody has a nice lightweight weakaura or addon that shows me my enchants and gems on my gear hmu =)

I use grid2 but I'd say the most important thing is using what your comfortable with. I do think if I was getting into healing today, I might just stick with the base UI. But I'm so used to Grid2 now that whenever I try to deviate my usual addons, chaos ensues.

I’ve been using healbot for as long as I remember. Wrath maybe? It’s tough for me to move from because I’ve had my preferred setup established for so long. Out of range opacity is a big thing for me.

I tired copying your cell profile and importing in the layouts tab, but it is erroring. Any ideas on this? Im too lazy to sit down right now to set everything up again after messing with vuhdo too many times haha.

At start i used Grid then i switch to standart Blizz Frames 😅 it works with clique and other weakauras and addons

@AutomatikJak I believe this video will be watched and revisited quite a few times over the next months/years. So I would suggest adding chapters to the video. I'll try to add them in the comment here for now. 0:00 Intro 0:12 Current use of vuhdoo 1:55 Cell 5:30 Default Raidframes with Enhanced Raidframes & Big Debuffs 8:22 Grid2 10:50 ElvUI 13:26 Before I forget: Cell + Clique and more

I tried cell, but switched back to VuhDo. The main reason is that in VuhDo I can hide the addon when I make a profile for DPS. Cell doesn't have a hide function per profile.

I need to be able to sort the party by role. Tank always on top, me (healer) always on bottom. And vuhdo is just too annoyingly complicated to learn. I use ElvUI and i basically only use it for the raid frames. I love them. I like to have specific buffs and whatnot in specific places. I like being able to just see, out of the corner of my eye, if a buff is up because its in a specific spot on the frame

I made my own UI addon so worth it. It's exactly what I want.

Huh? Grid has a priority system for buffs/debuffs where you can move things up and down, just by clicking arrows.

i loved vuhdo, but holy shit it was so bad in amidrassil. It straight-up couldn't handle treants spawning on larodal, so I switched to grid, but I missed out-of-box debuff showing (e.g. in m+) that vuhdo had

i swapped to standart ui like 2 weeks ago and i liked it alot over elvui but raidframes where pretty off, thanks for showing me cell its an absolute gamechanger

But do you deal with healing adds, like on larodar or fyrakk with elvui?

Cell looks so nice, yet I am very attached to Clicked/Clique. Last time I checked into it there was no planned support for that addon combination. Any1 have a solution other then not use Cell or Clicked? :)

AJ, talking about AB testing, if that’s not prying what job/industry are you/were you in?

I want to love default frames but at a bare minimum they need one addon (bigdebuffs) and weakauras (e.g. defensives on raidframes) to be usable.

I was using Vuhdo since forever. Switched to Cell after Growl's video. Never going back

I’m trying out cells and I’m finding it won’t let me use right-click as a key binding for click casting. Anyone know why? I can use it for Menu, but anything else it just grays out the row.

The click casting dispel bug is beta- and ptr exclusive, doesn’t occur on live

Do I need to manually add important raid and dungeon debuffs to Cell? thats one of my biggest issues with these replacements addons, the blizzard ones will automatically add and emphasize the most important stuff without hassle

Grid is absolutely ancient, the original Grid has been around since vanilla I think and it honestly mostly looks and works the same still. It's archaic but it's quite powerful and I've been using it for forever so there's not much reason to swap, although Cell does have my curiosity peaked.

Were there other advantages for you to use Cell aside from FPS? I tried Cell and noticed quite the jump in memory usage over Grid2. I do agree that the Cell UI is more intuitive. I don't think I would've survived Grid2 setup without @MadSkillzzTV

How did you miss "Raid Frame Settings" for default UI? It answers almost all of your problems! I use it and was healing 27s last season with it!

One difference that I found between Cell and Vuhdo is that Vuhdo has a friendly/hostile section, allowing the same keybind to have two different purposes depending on what you're targetting. Cell does not have that ability, that I found. How would I dps using Cell as a holy priest?

Thank you for this overview, very helpful. I will definitely take a look at Cell. Do you happen to have an overview of which UI-Addons you're using? I believe the ones on your website are not up to date, judging by this video. I'm also thinking about ditching Elvui because the framedrops are getting ridiculous but I'm not sure what to go for for bars and nameplates specifically.

Cell is pretty good, though it's still missing a bunch of big features Vuhdo has, such as hostile frames - essential for DPS'ing while healing. Good to know there's a close contender if Vuhdo support ever stops.

Funny you didn't tried Healbot which is by far the most used healing addon (outside of grid/elvui). I find it quite easy to configure while still being powerfull and letting you customize what you want such as buff and hots placement. Only thing I can't make work is an overshield bar, if someone knows how ...

Anyone else getting an error when trying to import the cell profile? I have checked several times and I am copying the entire string. I've tried everything I can think of. Copying it to a notepad then pulling and copying from there, turning off syntax highlighting (maybe this would work?), checking for accidental spacing at the beginning and end, removing the last letter incase it was a mistake. Nothing as work it just says Error at the top

I had the exact same experience vuhdo vs. Grid 2. I am good with vuhdo and I have also used in since WoD, but Cell... maan it just looks so much less hassle. So I think I might need to do a bit of a rework, looking at you and Growl playing with it and it looks much smoother in many ways.

FULL SUPPORT FOR CELL

Ya ive almost always used VuHdo and elvui i prefer VuHdo for party/raid frames and use elvui for almost everything else. I never liked helkii or grid, i may try to make a fresh alt and try using cell and see if its better though

anyone know why i cant import the cell profile? I just get an error when i paste it into import

Being a Healbot user, I feel like left out... 😌😌 But then again, I don't heal high keys or raids, thanks to Blizz for the obvious reason. 😑😑