The Carnival probably offers an 8-way passenger seat as well, as they have in the past on top trim. OK they don't have power lumber, but at least there is height and tilt. Honda and Toyota are very stingy that way. I don't know why.

So the hybrid drivetrain is nice? Where were you able to obtain a rental Sienna? I have been wanting to rent one and asked at my local dealership's Toyota Rent-A-Car and they don't have them yet. I had rented a Sienna and Pacifica back to back in 2019 and the Pacifica seemed much nicer to drive, except for the seats which seemed too firm to me.

@@toronado455 very nice. the exact moment you step on the pedal it pushes you forward. i rented with avis and i guess we got it out of luck because we could have gotten a voyager LOL.

Chrysler has the best RES in the game after Honda got rid of their dolby surround 13.1 inch screen.

Congrats, that's really exciting. I really wish the Toyota website had the 2022s on there so I could take a look... a Woodlands edition with a tow hitch, AWD, the 1500W inverter - without the rear seat entertainment - would be my ideal configuration.

That’s a long wait

just heard of this trim

Shoot a vid offroading 🗻🚚

@@tom_marsden here’s the details. pressroom.toyota.com/embrace-your-adventurous-side-with-the-all-new-sienna-woodland-special-edition/

Good to know. No need though

Most people are probably fine with tri-zone climate controls, I think most people prefer cooled/ventilated seats on the 2nd row which Kia has, especially in southern states.

@@blackwhirlwind1245 yep

Good points. I wonder how much anyone can notice all these climate "zones" in such a small space as the inside of a vehicle. I mean in a house it makes sense, but in a car?

I'd have more use for a fully adjustable front passenger seat, than a power adjustable steering column. Don't know why Toyota thinks a 4-way passenger seat is acceptable on a $50,000 minivan.

I was thinking the stow and go was key ... And I would use all that space but I feel like I know I would use it and plan ahead? Idk.

its not removeable on the top trim

@@tinhinnh true, but that's because it doesn't exist on the top trim, so it's not applicable anyway. I was just responding to his segment about the versatility of the 8 seat arrangement.

No it’s not, we bought a 2020 Pacifica hybrid with tripane sunroof, we keep shade open in Seattle, bur after move to Southern California, we always keep the shade closed because it’s too hot

@@OutofTuneDavid So maybe it really depends on where you are using the vehicle.

@@toronado455 yes! But the tripane sunroof definitely looks nice

I love it especially on long road trips.... it makes it "feel" a lot more spacious

yes more than advantages its more of drawback. just for occasional use.. you need to loose lot of points in reselling vehicle with panoramic roof.

removing the engine is a bad joke/example. how are you going to drive afterwards?

I think Alex said he would never recommend messing with the Sienna‘s rear seats because you’re messing with the airbags

At that point, it became a modification not a feature come with the car

I watched both of his videos. I wouldn't want to do it personally. If I really need removable 2nd row seats I would choose a different van.

@@garrettw99 he did. But that was before there was a video where the guy who was able to remove the seats made a device where it can prevent the airbag errors from going off

@@rv2167 I must have a longer torso. I don't have this issue in the driver's seat, just the front passenger seat.

The Sienna has it as a $75 option. It changes the shape of the left rear panel (as it is inside the vehicle) So I believe you lose the cupholders on the left side in the back.

It seems like the first minivan to arrive will likely be VW’s ID Buzz

Yeah, right after that they could check fuel mileage on aircraft carriers and check which space shuttle has the quietest idle......

@@pryme2013 that's lame, obviously checking the displacement of the Saturn V rocket is most important.....

Voyager LXi which is the rental car spec is the one with 2nd and 3rd row Stow-n-Go seats. Voyager is the front and rear end design from the 2017-2020 era Pacifica. Think Ram 1500 Classic (DS) versus the new 2019+ Ram 1500 (DT)

@@frankchen7412 Thanks, this is something is need to look at.

what's broken?

@@point4894 oil sensor. Leaked out all the oil and wouldn't hold oil until a new one was put in. $750

That gen has aged well, it still looks nice.

Cool they do now. :)

I personally favor ease of use over colors haha. But that’s just me. You can at least change the theme of the infotainment a bit

Toyota is behind on infotainment.

Driven with Tom Volke just had a great video on Toyota/Lexus’s new infotainment screen. It’s a major step up, however not as nice as Hyundai Kia‘s and or Genesis…Or even Uconnect for that matter

@@rv2167 Toyota takes a little longer than others to introduce new features because they, as you say, put a higher value on reliability.

Well you can get an 8 passenger config with AWD but you have to get the lowest trim (LE). Not sure why that is the case.

@@tom_marsden I hadn't seen that configuration because when I build a model, it's not an option, but it's listed a trim.

@@tom_marsden the current theory is that it's because of weight. Toyota wanted to keep the GVWR under 6000lbs so the extra weight of AWD was offset by reducing the people capacity by 1.

I prefer to slide the 2nd row seats forward to access the 3rd row, most 3 row SUV/Minivan owners probably rarely use 3rd row seats, including me, so having captain’s chairs either limits passenger numbers or cargo space, imagine having 5 people on board, also with some stuffs in the trunk/cargo area. Having 2nd row bench seats gives you exactly 5 peoples on the 1st and 2nd row, while still having good amount of cargo spaces to put all kinds of stuff. If you have captain’s chairs, you will have to put 5th person on the 3rd row, which limits cargo space. For me, I will never get an SUV/Minivan with captain’s chair, I would rather get 2 row 5 seaters SUV, this is why I like Honda Odyssey and Acura MDX, because you can have bench seats on all trim levels. I’m currently Pilot owner, I haven’t used the 3rd row yet, I keep the 3rd row fold down, just simply having a lot more cargo spaces to use. However, I believe I might eventually use the 3rd row in the future when I have more kids.

I wouldn’t dream of buying a Toyota anything over a Chrysler anything.

@@Natethegreat200c I am not that rich to buy a chrysler

There are many good American cars like the C8 Corvette, Hellcat, Model 3/Y, Mustang, F150, new Ram trucks, Mach E etc

Yawn... Go watch some more hysterical arm waving from Scotty Kilmer.

@@kristians2704 mach e isnt american, its made in mexico. Tesla is a true American car

@@sahajpatel1553 any car made by Ford that’s sold in America is an American car

You're just a hater.

What do you call them

Our commercial van don't look like that

The term dates back to the 80s. Ford, GM and Chrysler Corp orginally only sold large, nine- twelve passenger vans until 1983 when Chrysler introduced the smaller, front-drive "mini-van"