even as a kid that’s what i assumed it was, like everyone around him including the other princesses was weird, scary, or a sentient animal/object and there are no other humans

yeah lol poor finn 😭

Probably from the initial view of Finn being the plucky adventurer who saves the damsel in distress from the wizard king (edit: a very oversimplified explanation of some of the first season dynamic between Finn, Ice King and PB)

I almost feel like he an Huntress Wizard did get together but are always just moving becuase of the lives they want.

I always assumed that he and HW got together.

She's the least toxic option

@Op Lad You serious? That little kid crush that he stopped having when he was like 14?

@Op Lad how? they don't even have mutual interests, what are you on about.

It think it because Adam Muto didn't created Adventure Times, Pendleton Ward did so they don't consider thing Adam did Canon.

It’s so realistic tho-how could you not love it? It’s so realistic that Finn doesn’t have a partner at the end. All he needs is his bro. I love this damn show and people like that need to get a grip.

@@Underworlddream Yeah, but here's the thing, it was WARD'S idea to bring him to run the show starting in either the 3rd or 4th season.

@@mesousagaby740 George Lucas also thought it was a good idea to have Katline Kennedy to run Lucas film.

To be fair it isn't just PB. We see Finn get into multiple relationships that all crash and burn painfully.

Well we don’t know for sure. For all we know he may even have kids but yes I agree in all likelihood Finn never really got into a permanent relationship which isn’t a bad thing at all

Ikr

I appreciated seeing that! As someone who doesn’t have much luck with dating and has been mainly single for 18 years, it’s nice seeing a character single and happy. I think that representation is important. You don’t need to have love to enjoy life and although it seems like you’ll never find someone just take it day by day. That’s really important! Dating isn’t easy for everyone! Especially the last human

Nah in the new series he's with Huntresses Wizard

​@@daytonaofcv6856yup XD

What he never did stop seeing PB romantically, he just suppressed his feeling by locking them in his vault.

@@The1Ryu No, he did, there is legit an episode that explores their new relationship.

@@slothful2039 Oh ya that episode without a name. Why else would someone claim an episode like that exists and not name it?

@@The1Ryu I forgot the name, but it's the one where they sneak off during a slumber party. It has a giant cat in it too.

@@slothful2039 That clip is about PB recognizing that Finn has moved on from being a Kid and is well on his way to being her equal in maturity. This is actually one of the best pieces of evidence that a romance was still possible between them.

This one time in middle school some girl asked me about adventure time and as I got into the origins of jake I just fell on my knees cry-laughing. The words coming out of my mouth were *absurd* .

Wait until you try to explain Homestuck

@@nightshade2826 I haven’t watched the show in years. What is the origin of Jake?

One time I was trying to explain the existence of Fern to my mother and yea that was much more difficult than I expected it to be.

@@kittykittybangbang9367 literally no it’s too much and the whole troll terms and lore it’s just too much I can’t explain

Yeah, true. PB has done some really screwed up stuff. But she WAS NOT jealous of Finn and Flame Princess, she was scared for his safety, because FP is LITERAL FIRE. She didn't lead Finn on, which is a good thing. Like would people rather PB pretend to like Finn, and then break his heart at the end? She genuinely cared for Finn. Her and Finn's friendship is one of my all-time favorites from Adventure Time. This is coming from someone who, unfortunately, used to ship them as a child.

People villanizing PB in this way is based in misogyny ngl

I see PB as being someone who wants to prevent disasters and keep people safe. She understand this sometimes requires a little sacrifice and doesn't seem to hold tightly to any particular moral code. Kind of a lawful neutral. She wants the best for people, but is willing to use questionable means to reach that end. That said, it makes perfect sense why she'd try to step in-between Finn and FP. Jake himself saw FP as a danger before Finn and FP even met. And he's wise but not smart. PB saw things a bit more analytically. The show was ultimately presented from Finn's point of view, so we were predisposed to see her misgivings as jealousy when, in fact, they weren't. She cares about her people and the world she lives on. She makes choices to keep those things safe. FP presented a danger to her people and her world, so she felt obligated to do something about it. That's how I see it, at least.

@@pamspray5254 I agree completely. Although, I'll admit, that one episode where FP and PB where like on a mission together or something, and PB was trying to hurt her or use her for scientific purposes or something like that, I was really upset. I thought by the time that episode aired (like season 5 I think) I thought PB would be a lot less mistrusting. Especially since FP wasn't even posing as a threat.

PB was just playing with Finn's feelings because at the time she was still secretly into Marceline but she was too pig headed and self-absorbed to admit her true feelings towards the two so she just kept on "crushing on" Finn and "disliking" Marceline until a couple seasons before the series finale she hang out with Marceline and didn't care about Finn's feelings anymore and let him move on. I swear to god she my most hated character in the series she's just so damn toxic. 🙄

My favourite ship with Finn is flame princess. I love how his actions had their consequences and how they showed the two of them going through their own journeys of growth and maturing before they became friends again. So realistic and holds much meaning when you go through a similar situation. Great video! Can’t wait for the next one 😌

I also loved how Finn evolved in general. He started as a young immature kid but still had a great heart to a mature, mild-mannered young man. Watching his evolution from 12 to 17 was awesome considering that a lot of the audience (like myself) were growing up alongside the main character.

@@philly_sports1558 from a slightly immatured kid to a slightly depressed matured soul

@@Vividlyforgotten wasn't slightly immatured, way immature

That's always been a trope.

Another cursed Disney smear profile pic. Nice.

he was irritating me when i was younger watching this idk why

@@koolk1dde Maybe it's the fact that he was always acting like an immature child most of the time (Which he was).

@@redpanda6497 I FOUND MY PEOPLE!!!

@@raidenkruckenberg8843 Lol

Yeah. Whenever relationships were in the forefront of the story, Finn was useless at best, and insufferable at worst. The best thing the show ever did for itself was can the romantic subplots with the huntress wizard episode.

@@jamiesadf5829 The episodes where he was dating someone aside from the breakup episode with Flame Princess were great though. I would hardly call Finn useless in those, he just seemed like a happier more complete person.

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 gotta disagree, all the worst episodes were romantic plot episodes.

@@jamiesadf5829 cap the episodes with Finn and FP before their breakup were the best

You can't really judge Finn too harshly in those episodes though because he was only a 13 year old child who had dead parents. He probably didn't develop proper social skills or learn how healthy relationships work.

They never resolved the conflict of their romantic interest, that's just bad writing.

@@The1Ryu explain?

@@pillowfullospiders3934 Finn still had feeling for PB he just locked them away in his vault this is shown when he opens it at one point late in the show. PB also has feelings for Finn this is shown when she is jealous of Flame Princess after she goes Nova, Jake pointed this out. These conflicts are never addressed, introducing conflict and failing to resolve it is poor writing.

@@The1Ryu That's not "poor writing", it's just reality. Conflict isn't always resolved, and even less so in the span of just a few years. Once Finn had stopped thinking of Princess Bubblegum as a love interest, they became much better friends, and they wouldn't really have any need for resolving the conflict of potential romance. Especially once PB and Marceline were together again.

Kinda like aang end up with katara in the end.

Wish I had that moment as I fell in love blindly like 3 times, It hurts a lot when you realize it's not going anywhere but friendship.

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Yeah , I also loved how they were able to say stuff like “freaking”

Adventure Time and Avatar are on a higher level than pretty much every other “kid’s show”. Gravity Falls, Regular Show, and the original Teen Titans are also up there.

Well, now it's over so is infinity train, Steven universe, and Regular show. The only thing that Cartoon Network showing now is Teen Titans Go. 😰

agreed

Yeah because for the record he couldn't figure out how to cope and instead was just making-out with everyone after losing his arm and relationship. The worse thing you can do is not realizing your mistake and just looking for more options to ease your pain? That's just running away, but I was glad he matured and even if he isn't with her it's better to not leave them in a sour note

Yo flame princess x finn is such a good ship i also thought I'd be a continuous one

I really hoped and even expected Flame Princess to forgive Finn since their relationship was great up until that moment. But kn the other hand, AT has all my respect for making Finn deal with the consequences of his actions. Its easy for a show to have characters forgive and teach kids that saying sorry will excuse your hurtful actions... instead, Finn learns the hard way that his actions lost him everything at once. I feel like Finn, and we as an audience, were in denial that it really ended that way, but it was just the right dose of reality.

@@Tijopi11 which is what makes him a great protagonist

Hahha same

Any ship with Marshall Lee is golden

@@kittykittybangbang9367 Fr 😪💅🏽 it can go literally any way and I can’t get mad

Yes! that's my shit! lol. Btw, love your pfp

I hope we get to see them together when we get that Fionna and Cake mini series.

@@flixchix95 wait what 😦

Agreed

He also lost his adoptive dog parents some time before the start of the show. Guy's had a pretty rough life.

20 years old isnt really much life experience either tbh lol

That's the same reason I could never get behind this ship. I've seen people saying they could have gotten together when he was older but is still kinda creepy imo. Basically an adult who watched this kid grow up then immediately turns around and dates them when they're of legal age. Yuck.

@@ydontubegray yeah but graduated with car insurance and going to college vs still in high school is a bit of a perspective difference

btw youre wrong

To be fair, most of the people who shipped them were little kids who had crushes on older people

I mean given how things develop later on I thought it was just natural progression. if Finn stayed the same exact person after the FP breakup then yeah romance isn't on the table just yet, but that's wasn't the case seeing how chill he was with Huntress Wizard.

Agreed!!!!

Adventure Time had two great episodes in “The Pajama Wars” and “Bun Bun” that showed how Finn had matured and was completely cool with being good friends with his past love interests. His heartfelt apology to FP in “Bun Bun” was wonderful and it was so cool how they just ended up being tight friends for the rest of the show.

I might be able to create some Sigmund Freud joke relating to the Oeipus Complex, But I can’t think of any kind of dumb pun relating to it.

There's no humans and he just finds them cute :P

Finn stopped pursuing PB once he had his realization in S5E31 'Too Old' as he said "Maybe age isn't just a number" to Jake. I don't get why people still act so surprised that they didn't get together since at that point it's obvious that the chances are little even Finn realized that himself. Finn never had a crush on Marceline, sure he blushes but it's because Marceline loves to teases him in the early seasons when he was just a young boy. Finn and Marceline is just a weird pair.

That's true but I understand where they're coming from, I think people hate the idea of the lonely Hero cuz it sounds like a sad life, maturity aside finn is still a hero in the land of Ooo and risk his life alot I think people hate the idea that when the fighting is over who is there for finn, it's like literally everybody in the show found somebody but him, like everyone else can be loved but not finn and people see themselves in finn so it's like saying "am I not worth loving? Does nobody in this world want to love me?" Granted you don't need a Romantic relationship to be happy but I imagine it hurts from time to time when your friends and crushes all have someone special and your sitting there beaten up broken and alone

And yet I still think Finn and Marceline would make an awesome couple.

@@CipherRage-tp5ql On the surface level I agree, they seem like a fun pair. But Finn lacks the emotional intelligence to truly understand Marceline and have a deeper relationship with her. There's a lot of layers to Marceline, which I don't think Finn would be able to understand, and at that point the relationship would be shallow. Imo they work better out as friends

@@miuletzmitzu6641 ITS ALSO PEDO??? wtf guys

You enjoy people getting into a toxic relationship that has already failed once and the problems that caused that failure are still present and unresolved? Weird.

@@The1Ryu well, people don’t know at first🙄

@@The1Ryu Wdym? Marceline and Bubblegum needed to grow as individuals first and they weren't really ready for each other yet when they first started dating, and didn't Obsidian established that they grew out of their toxic habits and learned how to deal with their issues in a more healthy way? So their relationship is not toxic, they grew up, worked on their relationship to be healthy and a lot better than the one they had before.

@@kasa-ysayan No, if that was the intent of 'Obsidian' it failed miserably at best all it did was show why the pair are such a toxic relationship and how unresolved the issues between them really are. Just look at the way even your describe it here. "they grew out of their toxic habits and learned how to deal with their issues" What toxic habits and issues are named and addressed in 'Obsidian'? You don't seem to know what their problems were or how they over came them. People can say their relationship is healthy, but without identifying and address their problems the relationship will always be toxic.

@@The1Ryu They did identify and addressed their problems, for PB it was addressed throughout the late seasons of the original show. For Marceline it was in Obsidian (and Stakes). PB learned how to chill and be more sentimental for her feelings and with the people around her, Marceline learned that having vulnerabilities isn't bad and finally made peace with her past traumas and later in Obsidian she communicated about her feelings with PB, since we all that Marceline have trouble being honest with her feelings. I don't think Obsidian failed miserably.

Great point 😂

"Ironic." -Palpatine.

Funny enough in a comic, Finn was jumping timelines or dimensions, can't remember but he marries both Mary and Bonnie at the same time, pretty sure the comics aren't canon but it's still wild

It's also cool noticing how much details were planned as far back. E. G. In Marceline's debut episode, she mentioned that she was in the Fire Kingdom

That episode was so weird lmao

No seriously where did this happen?

@@leoknightrx7953 I know right. I have literally never heard of this before

"The good thing"

i kinda wish she stayed 13 ngl she was way funnier and her interactions with finn just felt a lot more organic, romance or friendship

Hate to say it but... my money are on Flame Princess. I mean , Huntress wizard is made out of things that burn !

Whoa! Don't cause another ship bro! XD

I don't know why Subaru gets reduced down to nice guy even before his development in season 2 when saving dozens of people and dying for it, all the tenderness Emilia gave him she can't remember, and getting fucked over anyway is such a incel thing to have a mental breakdown over. While I'll never see the same energy for Harley Quinn and Katra literally committing genocide over blue balls

@@SenpaiSamaKun yeah, plus I never understood why subaru got so much hate from the fans, like what was he supposed to do? Run away and live a quiet life? Well he tried to with rem but she wouldn't let him although personally I'd have just gone with rem and left emilia and the mansion alone cuz if their all so powerful then they should handle it (even though it's shown time and time again subaru had to get involved) I think he didn't use the best methods I agree but him being the white knight is actually tragic because only he remembers, every time he starts over he has technically no obligation to help anyone yet not only does he go above and beyond to help he puts his life on the line over and over again for people who won't remember what he did which makes him a hero

@PowerCore Productions i kind of understand what you mean but at the same time op is right. Just in case, Subaru is my favorite character EVER when it comes to Japanimation. He is so fleshed out and relatable, his further growth makes you root for him. I honestly don't care about shipping, i just want my man to be happy! So here is my take on it: Early SubaruxEmilia was unhealthy and one sided. Subaru was stuck up in that power fantasy thinking that he was THE hero. It was still the case even after he discovered "RbD". Maybe it wasn't totally his fault, maybe it was just a coping mechanism, but it wasn't right anyway. Subaru have a little bit of "Savior complex" which is understandable, anybody who'd have the power to go back in time would feel like they have to save their beloved. Subaru though take gratification from it. It's a visceral need of validation ( for the emotional safety and comfort it brings) we can find in people who suffer from depression or even anxiety ( talking here about Subaru). Early Subaru is obsessed about Emilia, not out of simpness but out of need for comfort. If someone so great loves him than he musn't be that bad! Emilia was compassionate, surely she'll find enough kindness in her heart to love him if he prooves himself useful ? The thing is... It's not how it works. Love ( in all it's form ) doesn't work that way. You don't need to prove anything to be loved. The bare minimum is sincerity and honesty ( and depending on people's own boundaries, some people are fine with secrecy lol ) Subaru doesn't NEED Emilia's love. He needs self-love. He somehow always "infantilised"? Emilia thinking in her stead or making her feelings about him. Now, he grew out of that fase and it's a little similar to Fin's experience, i think. If you read the Kasaneru if ( greed if ) you realise how important it was for Subaru to reject Echidna's offer and "love himself" which he still struggle to achieve. Subaru throwing his life and being a "hero" isn't what makes him happy. I see Re: zero as more of an emotional journey than a power adventure or the typical isekai that doesn't provide trope subversion or commentary. Subaru isn't a simp ( i don't like that word tbh. People like to throw it around :/) but clearly, to some point, Subaru's view on relationship is flawed. It all come from his self-loathing tendencies and loneliness that comes from his incapacity to bond and make friend with people during high school. Subaru is a tragic character, the tragedy isn't him being a white knight, it's Subaru being powerless while being aware of upcoming events which makes him feel like he have to be THE white knight. His feelings of inferiority push him into being stuck up, which explain his "hatred" ( they became friends afterward and i kind of love their friendship ) toward Julius who is THE perfect knight. There is also another parallel with Oboreru if ( pride if ) in which Subaru's inferiority complex and hatred is all directed toward Reinhardt. All to hide his feeling of helplessness and powerlessness because Reinhardt could do something he died like a 100 time for ( i actually forgot the number and can't remember if it waq 23 or 400 ) So yeah, relationship matter and Subaru wouldn't have been able to grow without them but at the same time he needed personal growth to be able to form healthy relationships with everyone. So yeah... Thanks for listening. Have a nice week ! Bye bye.

Now all I need is for him to read Homestuck, and discuss shipping within it.

We got em boys.

This channel reminds me why I hate cartoon romance

Right? i totally agree .

My OTP is Fiolee, I'm always a sucker for good girl x bad (or mischievous) boy. Though almost every ship in Adventure Time I ship.

This has nothing to do with what you said but, hi fellow aro!

@@wildflowerproductions1414 The show _stopped_ being a part-time romance drama when Pendleton Ward stepped down and Adam Muto took over, so if you stopped watching at that point, I suggest you try to watch it now (or soon, or at least some time) as it's all pretty darn good.

Idk shipping makes a show 10x better for me

@@wildflowerproductions1414 "Finn hopping from princess to princess" was one episode, which makes me think you only watched that episode. And if you only watched that episode and the Marceline episodes, then sure, I can see how you think the show was only embracing ships. But can you really even pretend to have an opinion of something you haven't actually seen?

@@jasmintea8825 anti-shippers are just and that they cant get a good relationship

I would really love it if he discuss Fiolee and Gumlee ♥️

As not-too-magical of an episode as that was, it surely is one of the most questionable and weirdest to have existed

I like what they tried to do, but it never feels like an AT story for various reasons. ALSO LSP rapes Finn. he put in the vault. True story

@@pedroff_1 UNACCEPTABLE!🍋

Fanboy.

@@bakedbeans5494 Aren't you the can of LSP's beans, which got knocked over by Finn?

@@Justin-Hill-1987 Not funny.

Exactly, and most people see her as a villain simply bc she never accepted Finn's confession. No one understand Bubblegum is lesbian.

@@moonamoonz That makes it even worse.

AGREE !!!

Damn straight

Ye

Finn gets to mature and saw that his past behavior was (as certain lemon would say) UNACCEPTABLEEEEEEEEEEEEE. star vs: i stop seeing it after the battle for mewni. Miraculous: i avoid like the pague the forth season after the horrible third season finale (and the third season period) TMNT 2011: i wasn't as invested bit i will try to see it.

Lmao truest thing ever, but at least Adventure time has likeable Characters, unlike miraculous.

Dude, hush

*tmnt 2012

At least in AT Peebs and Finn were well written characters, Miraculous characters weren't even lucky enough to get that 😒

Also athough we never get enough of Huntress Wizard to fully explore her, I do generally love her design and her char. Her litttle thing with finn is cute and i really wish we had at least one more ep it at the end to explore them a little. At least we have fanfic

He never did in the comics. There isn't any proof of him ever dating both Marceline and Bubblegum and it is like he date other girls than them since he views them as friends. Also, this is non-canon so I don't understand why he has to bring it up.

fionna wasn't aged up, she was the same age as finn. and ppl found it creepy either way lol

@@tiablue9106 bro they 100% made her look older than any other teenager

@@Jenna-in4br older how?

@@ukezoro2997 adult voice and adult body. Not a 13 year old at all. There is nothing about her that is child like at all

@@Jenna-in4br by adult body do you mean her chest?