No Use For A Name needs to be talked about more. RIP Tony Sly.

Scott Raynor isn't a terrible drummer. He's certainly more simple than Travis but extremely solid in what he did. I wouldn't want the drums any different on Dude Ranch to be honest.

Here would be the Pop Punk Starter Bands I would suggest starting off first Ramones Generation X Buzzcocks Descendents The Vandals Screeching Weasel Guttermouth Jawbreaker Green Day Blink 182 MxPx The Get Up Kids Saves the Day Bowling For Soup Sum 41 Good Charlotte Yellowcard New Found Glory Fall Out Boy A Day to Remember All Time Low The Wonder Years The Story So Far State Champs Neck Deep Knuckle Puck Real Friends Boston Manor

Idk what you mean about The Descendents not being able to play their instruments. Bill Stevenson is an amazing drummer. His speed and his ability to play so fast and expend little to no energy is a testament to his technique. And not to mention Tony Lombardo is a beast on the bass.

The Descendents are excellent musicians. They play very well

Finn really undersells Lagwagon here and then samples a song from their later discography instead of classic bangers like Razor Burn, Violins, May 16, etc. Joey’s vocals and lyrics stand out in the genre, the musicianship is great with a metal influence at times, the hooks are insanely catchy, and the live shows are ridiculously fun because Joey is so charismatic and the band doesn’t take itself too seriously. They are one of the pillars of skate punk and this is a hill I will die on. Also, MxPx - wut?!?

One of my favorites was Allister. Criminally underrated and their Last Stop Suburbia album is a masterpiece

Face to Face is underrated. I would put them in the started pack.

Joey Cape is Lagwagons frontman's name since you were wondering. Love the band. Ine if my all time faves. The 2 albums they put out in the 2010s were great. They're still going strong.

The sad boi era was my entrance in to pop punk, From neck deep to the story so far (my favorite band of all time), love that shit

NFG was my jump in. I was never into punk but it was a great start for an edgy, whiny teen who was more into nu metal/emo lyrics at the time. That 1st album def still holds up for a really fun listen. Especially with summer coming up.

You start at The Starting Line, because all three of their records are killer, and evolve each time with better & better songwriting. Kenny wrote 'Say It Like You Mean It', (still a foundational Pop Punk record) at 16 years old. Fought through a ton of label black-balling, and are still going, through it all. Still putting on great shows.

If I'm honest, everyone should start with Blink 182, they're basically the epitome of what pop punk is

Most of us guys started with "Move Along" by All American Rejects because of a Bionicle commercial...

Finn, it´s very very hard for any non-american band to make it in the US. That doesn´t mean that there aren´t any good pop punk bands outside of America. My favourite band would be Sweden´s No Fun at All, whose first three albums are just masterpieces.

Sum 41 is my personal favorite band here and they still are a great band today.

I grew up on bands like Fall Out Boy, Alkaline Trio, Blink, Green Day, and TBS, but tbh I'd only recommend early FOB or Blink to start. I had no clue about the newer pop punk scene was a thing until I heard Elevated by State Champs and was super into it IMMEDIATELY and I've listened a lot since then, so I'd say they're definitely a great pop punk open bands

Sum 41’s All Killer No Filler was my first favorite album. Blink 182 had a song on the “Now Thats What I Call Music” comps vol 3 and vol 4, so that got my attention first, but the Fat Lip video got me to buy the AKNF album and I didn’t stop listening for years

40-year-old here, and I love screeching weasel! Dingbat is a rad song, and so is psychiatrist. I actually listen to these bands every day. Lag Wagon, NOFX, Rancid, The Queers. I guess my music preference hasn't changed since I was 15, probably because it is who I am.

Just wanted to add The Wonder Years to the Sad Boy Era. Probably one of the biggest bands from that era

Cool list. But c'mon... 1. No Green Day? Am I hallucinating that didn't happen? 2. I'm not sure how to digest that Blink 182 are better musicians than Descendents. Um... what??? Bill Stevenson is quite possibly Travis Barkers favorite drummer. Easy top 5. Everyone in Descendents is a better player than members of 90% of this list.

I'm a little old for the scene (now 53), but I still love the music. I got my start with bands like Fall Out Boy, New Found Glory, Simple Plan, Blink, The Donnas, and Something Corporate (if they qualify). I recently purchased tickets to see Sum 41/Simple Plan, Bowling for Soup, and New Found Glory when they all (separately) come to Phoenix in August. It's going to be a rough week for this old man... 3 shows in 4 nights. The thing that sold me on the Bowling for Soup show is that they have a local Phoenix band called Doll Skin among their opening acts;.

Jumping on that kickstarter. Mongolia has got to be one of the most remote places I've ever been, and the people were wonderful.

Skate punk was my entry into punk in general. Faster tempos and a little more aggression than the stuff coming out after it. NOFX was the first show I ever went to. I think the best bands out of that era were NOFX, Strung Out, Pennywise, Propagandhi, Lagwagon, NUFAN and RKL. I also always loved some Rancid and Bouncing Souls.

I was a white teenager in suburbia in the early 00's. Bands like Sum 41, Blink-182, Nofx (yes, they get lumped in, they may be "real punks," but if it walks like a duck...), and New Found Glory take me back to fucking around with the homies, playing Perfect Dark, and smoking weed on summer nights in the time of AOL Instant Messenger. That feeling can never be replicated or replaced. Nostalgia is a powerful drug.

Much better example of what mxpx brings to the table life in general is the dopest dope around

Lagwagon's earlier stuff was a mix of intricate, melodic hardcore, with a lot more songs that are reminiscent of Blink-stlye, goofy, teenage angst pop-punk, even though they were around years before Blink came onto the scene, however, as Lagwagon moved forward in their career, they wrote less & less goofy teenage songs (rightfully so), and focused more on edgier, intricate, melodic hardcore with far more serious lyrical subject matter. Listen to their album HANG in it's entirety, and you'll undoubtedly recognize their growth and development, with musicianship that blows away all their former contemporaries mentioned alongside them in this video. Cheers! -JB

11:10 -"if they could actually play..." the descendents are great musicians. Overall their discography is far more diverse than blink182, musically.

I love how everytime I watch Finn's videos, I have a Playlist for the rest of the evening.

An NHL player was wearing a Ramones shirt to a press conference recently, reporter asked what his favorite Ramones song was. His response was "I'll be honest, I have no idea who Ramone is." I remember finding an MxPx cd at a friend's house and he gave it to me bc he thought they were deeply uncool. I remember being surprised by how good it was, and since I was also into 2000s metalcore, a band being christian in the alternative scene did not feel like the disqualifier it once was. My favorite misheard lyric is a guy I was friendly with's reaction to "High Regard" by The Story So Far. He said "I didn't realize Parker had autism" He thought the chorus went "Cause when I barely fuck up you just recoil and weep, what do you want from the autistic kid who got in too deep?"

I'm ready to pop-punk it up now, thanks Finn!

I started listening to pop-punk in like 2009 without even knowing it was a thing. I listened to blink, paramore, all time low and that stuff. Pop.Punk was kind of dead around this time, there were not many bands around doing good. Maybe Set Your Goals, Man Overboard but definetely not a growing vivid scene. In 2013 I went to the local record store and saw that interesting looking CD cover. It was What You Don't See by TSSF. My world changed it literally blew my mind. I started to go down the rabbit hole. The sadboi era was the golden era for me 2013-2016 so many legendary records. I am so thankful that I was able to actively be apart of that time.

Next video: the starter kit to discover the youtube channel of the punk rock mba ! Nevermind... Pop-Punk and Finn are both great. Always as pleasant and rewarding to watch your videos. 👍🏻 🙂

Amazing video as usual, i must say that i am just about to go into a studio next week with my band, we are going to record our first song (and its actually a Pop Punk song), so its pretty nice to actually see this in my feed today. Greaty content and i really enjoy the european jokes, greetings from Spain :,)

I think the best already made starter kit would be the Punk-O-Rama Vol.1 DVD. It gets you introduced to a lot of the best punk bands around.

My dad is a pastor at a lutheran church. Growing up I could only listen to christian music, so MXPX and P.O.D were saviors for my childhood. My first album was Dude Ranch by Blink 182. I saved up for that album and went and bought it, the next day my dad stole that shit off me and threw it in the bin :(

I think I’d definitely add a little Avril for the TRL/early 00s era. Some people can argue whether she’s more pop punk or just pop rock, but when it comes down to it when I think of “pop punk” she’s bound to come up.

In the weasels defense equal rights equal fights

this is a good starter kit doing one song per band and going from the beginning to now would be an ideal Playlist for a kid especially. if you put any more it's going to go from starter kit to hears my favorite shit. always great vids to watch before work 🤘

I will die on the hill of Derek DisCanio being the definitive singer in the pop-punk scene. That dude can sing.

I feel like not including the band Bowling For Soup in this list is a shame. 😔

Listen to MxPx's "Responsibility" then Sum 41's "Motivation" and tell me the similarities with the choruses.

I work at zumiez and right after you talked about The Anthem by Good Charlotte it started playing on our pop punk playlist LOL such a good vid Finn!

Skate Punk is definitely my all time favorite subgenre ever. I got an absolute dogshit NOFX tattoo the night I turned 18.

Can’t wait to go see New Found Glory in September for the 20 year anniversary!!! Gonna break out the pooka shell necklace and dickies shants

I still get emotional listening to bands like The Story So Far and Title Fight. brings me back to my late high school/early college days when those songs got me through some really tough times. and who could forget Tumblr, what a time to be alive. great bands, great era of music. best era of pop punk IMO.

TSSF is the best starter band, and the best middle band, and the best ending band 🥰

Great video, Finn! Love your content. Hugs from Argentina!

The Vandals🤙

Blink-182 and Newfound Glory were the two bands that really got me into pop punk back when I was in like 4th or 5th grade. I liked MXPX too, but I was one of those kids that went to church on Sundays and youth group multiple times a week, so I liked bands like Reliant K too haha

I know it's off topic but I'd love to see another part of your "Bands that should've been bigger" series! Of course I'm not suggesting this without having a specific band in mind which I just recently discovered but since then truly helped me dealing with my own mental health issues better than I was before. Their name is "Capstan", A band , nowadays often described as "alternative emo", combining a wide range of musical influences in their sound like emo, post-hardcore, melodic hardcore, easycore and how you tend to call it "sad boy pop pumk". IMO they really deserve way more attention because they're musically and lyrically one of the best bands I've discovered in many years. Greetings from Germany and sorry for OT

Lagwagon sold so many shirt back in the days...they were the first bands that had merch that people would were that didn't know their music. Way ahead of the curve these guys.

Personally I really like Bikage & Hope by the Descendants

Screeching Weasel (despite a lot of people thinking they’re kind of a ramones rip off) cemented their place in pop punk history and probably could’ve risen to the heights of Green Day but Ben Weasel kinda ruined every chance the band had of big mainstream appeal. He tried to go big with the Riverdales but that was already past when punk broke big in 1994. Screeching Weasel was the right band at the wrong time. Even though they might have really simple music it’s still super catchy and fun to sing along to and Bark Like a Dog and My Brain Hurts are some of my favorite pop punk albums. Other than that the rest of the video is awesome.

At the end of the day, it all depends on your definition of "pop punk". If you base it on "popularity", then there's a case for bands like NOFX, Lagwagon, Pennywise, Bad Religion etc. to be coined "Pop Punk". IMO, "pop punk" is more aligned to a sound which more accurately fits bands like Good Charlotte, Sum 41, Fallout Boy, Simple Plan, Something Corporate, New Found Glory etc. To me this genre is loosely aligned with the "skate punk" genre which incorporates the majority of the 90s fat wreck chords, epitaph bands etc.

I started with Sum 41 because that's what I always listened to at around 5 years old. I've been listening to them ever since

Lagwagon not as good as Greenday, are you serious? And right after you state how tallented RKL was... almost everyone in Lagwagon played in RKL. Lagwagon never went mainstraim because they remain a skatepunk band to this day. They were also one of the first melodic punk bands where the metal influence was blatant, which IMO would give credibility to the argument that they were pretty influencial, as IMO the whole "skatecore" sound has been a pretty big part of the underground punk scene for a couple decades.

Yes, you’re finally talking about punk rock! More like this please.

I'll never unhear "Matt Damon" now, thanks for that lol.

Awesome idea! Can't wait to see this about other genres :)

I dont give a shit. MXPX was awesome in late 90s. Life in General was really a perfect album. Straight through fast as fuck. Loved it.

"I Wanna Be Sedated" was in Burnout 3, so anyone who played that game religiously like me will know that track by heart

Awesome video Finn! Pop Punk is Fun

Lagwagon 🤘 And you picked the right song from them. So good. That took me back. MXPX one of the best live bands I've ever seen.

My starter kit would be Ramones, Dickies, Descendants, No Use For a Name, NOFX, MxPx, Green Day, Offspring, Blink, Starting Line (or really any of the Drive-Thru bands), Say Anything, Real Friends, Wonder Years, and You Me At Six. There also needs to be a space for at least one Vagrant band and one Sideonedummy band, but I can't decide which I'd pick. Maybe Weezer fits on there as well?

I started with blink in 1999, they paved the way for me to start listening to New Found Glory and Sum 41 and other bands like them.

The Mongolian part was actually a really nice addition

If you really want to ease them into it: Me First and the Gimme Gimmes. Lesser known, upbeat, positive Boston- style punk: Street Dogs -- (Back to the World album). Sk8punk : Pennywise (Unkown Road & About Time). Anyone that also appreciates country or rockabilly: Social Distortion Christians: Mxpx or Relient K Elvis fans: The Blaggards (just the Suspicious Minds cover)

Great selection! You couldn’t go wrong with that education! - you’re shows literally get prime time viewing priority every night! I look forward to your stuff to prob quite a scary degree but I can’t help it - you’re always on form, so knowledgeable and hilarious! Nice one 🇬🇧

Great stuff, man.

I went to Warped every year from 2014 to 2016 and even as a mid-late 20 something I already felt old there. I do have a lot of good memories of that era though, and watching videos like Late Nights in My Car and Elevated by State Champs always takes me right back to those crazy summers.

Hey Finn, have you heard MxPx's 2018 self-titled album? It's killer

Before I watch the video, here's my starter kit. Entry level: Blink 182, New Found Glory, Allister, Mxpx, Motion City Soundtrack, Yellowcard, the first Something Corporate album The good shit: Home Grown, Mest, Denver Harbor, Amazing Transparent Man, Audio Karate, Never Heard Of It, Antifreeze, Count The Stars, Left Front Tire, Sloppy Meateaters (ignore their first album imo) Also worth consideration: Knockout, Showoff, Graveltrap, Zebrahead, Tsunami Bomb, Sugarcult, Wakefield, Mi6, Cauterize, The Matches, Not By Choice

Great shit manj. Id love ya to go more into the old MTV days

My entrance was green day then blink and then the Ramones sealed my love of punk music. If I were to try and get someone into pop punk I'd definitely go with dookie and enema of the state(then go back to dude ranch). Then let them choose where to go from there. Say what you want about Ben Weasel but screeching weasel is awesome, even after his Christian or Catholicism reawakening. What punk band needs guitar shredding though? A two note "solo" can sound great and totally work in a punk song.

The album hang is an absolutely banger album from lagwagon easily in my top 100 albums

I'm so glad finn mentioned state champs and stand atlantic in this video instead of some random garage bands

I think for me it was the following: Blink, Greenday, MxPx, NFG and early Good Charlotte. Then this led to also listening to NOFX, Rancid, Anti Flag, etc. And also discovering the more post hardcore-emo bands too. Never hugely got into any sad boi bands.

I think it's a mistake to start in chronological order. You get them into the more hip and modern stuff first so they can later appreciate where it came from.

How did no Kerplunk/Dookie era Green Day make the cut? Or 24 Hour Revenge Therapy by Jawbreaker? Also, were the lyrics of The Descendants supposed to be ironic?

Thank you!

Their was like a middle era that got me into pop punk in the late 2000s early 2010s with Mayday Parade, Every Avenue, and other insert bands I like in high school. Fearless Records was at he top for pop punk in that time

Give them the THPS1/2 sound tracks and say your welcome.

I'm glad you're talking about some of the more unsavory elements of the genre (Ben Weasel, Descendents' old lyrics, etc.). It may all seem like pg-13, teenage fun, and it was to some degree, but there's so much about this stuff that I don't miss. It was like a dysfunctional disney land.

Damn Finn, when i was younger, late 90's in the hey day of Pop Punk i didn't like it at all, but all your videos about it made me like it!!! Especially the harder, more easycore kinda stuff. Props for opening minds and expanding sound palettes.

Greetings from FL. I appreciate your honesty especially regarding NOFX and totally being pop punk especially after recently sitting with him. As far as Lagwagon, his name is Joey Cape and it's hilarious you say you like his voice because they were my favorite band from '96 to right around the time from the release of this song which was 2002....the lyrics are the most well timed written lyrics as Joey has not sounded good since 2002.....have seen them perform a thousand times starting in '96 and it's just insane to watch him live now.....they started playing a half key lower a while ago and even then it seems like they need to be an additional step lower to match his voice...poor guy lost his voice over 2 decades ago....to his credit he did mention in an interview that he regrets singing at such a high pitch earlier in his career. I'm glad he didn't as Duh , Trashed, and Hoss would not have sounded as energetic half step lower or more. Trashed is easily their best album IMO.

I grew up 90's then got into Descendents, Ramones, and Weasel. That 2000's stuff missed me by a mile, but I tell you what Stand Atlantic sound awesone. Imma gun check them out

Was just listening to The Story So Far the other day. Under Soul and Dirt was a staple in my music journey

I've always favoured more the pop-punk bands that also took influence from other genres as well (e.g. blink Self-Titled, TSSF proper dose) or added other instruments in the mix (yellowcard, motion city soundtrack). Whilst I love older green day, neck deep and others, the same sound can get boring and uninspiring after a while, pop punk is amazing when used right and not overdone!

I barely knew any of the old bands besides a few lol probably since i started on bands later like 1998-1999 for starters id always say blink 182, new found glory, sum 41, good charolette and bowling for soup because those are some of if not the biggest pop punk bands of the late 90s early 2000s. But id definitely add in bands like neck deep, simple plan, real friends, a day to remember, nofx, basically anything from like 07- to 2017 were all bands to add but wayy to many to type!

Believe it or not, a high school teacher of mine introduced me to New Found Glory cuz he happened to say they were his favorite band lol My pop punk starter kit was NFG, blink 182, Relient K, Cartel, and The Starting Line

I appreciate the love for MxPx. And it's nice to see someone else saying what I've been saying for years: They were a skate punk band. They did get poppier as the years passed though. Their new stuff has been great.

I'd at least give a mention to Story of the Year. They would be the transition band between sum41/blink pop punk and the start of the emo pop punk era.

Scott wasn’t a terrible drummer in any capacity, just a solid punk drummer who fit perfectly with their style at the time. Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch had solid drums, and not even being 20 and accomplishing is impressive as well.

Not one mention of Dag Nasty. For shame! "Four on the Floor" is an iconic pop punk/melodic hardcore album.

Loved the Stand Atlantic inclusion.

Can’t forget about set your goals!

Nofx stickn in my eye or eat the meek are great tracks to check out if unfamiliar these made me a fan personally ramones have always been in my life if you have not yet heard the misfits or ramones do yourself a favor and check it out !

Lagwagon is probably one of my all time favorites.

I’m not into the oldie pop punk but I’m young so. Knuckle puck, tiny moving parts, Tssf are my favs for sure