Fire Attack - Using a "Can"

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DALE G. PEKEL

DALE G. PEKEL

12 жыл бұрын

This video reviews the setup and use of a pressurized water extinguisher or what's commonly referred to as a "CAN". Considered by many FFs as "Bread and Butter" operations, using any extinguisher proficiently is what separates the Professional from the Novice.......
The "live fire" portion shown in the demo is recorded by both a mini HD FireCam and an MSA thermal imaging camera (model 5200). They are shot simultaneously with the FireCam photage running first followed by the thermal imaging view........
Each camera shows the same segment consecutively in real time. Pay close attention to the HEAT BAR GRAPH on the right side of the thermal imaging view when the couch is fully involved to the point where the fire is knocked down - You'll see a significant drop in temperature........
Train, Stay Prepared, Be Aggressive, Make the Save - SURVIVE!
Dale G. Pekel

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@skwerldeath
@skwerldeath 10 жыл бұрын
I had no idea "The Can" had so much potential! Great Vid
@fd2388150
@fd2388150 10 жыл бұрын
Great video, I was personally impressed with the water can and foam combo at live fire drill I had attended. We were waiting for an engine to get set up and someone of the hoisting town had lit a fire in a fire place ahead of time. They came running out and said it had lit the wall on fire and the fuel load to be used that evening. First time using a "foam can" A friend and I were packed up and entered with smoke a few inches off the floor and fire licking the ceiling overhead. We were able to knock the whole fire down with that can. Very impressive in one of those "Oh S**t" moments. After we took it out side we used the rest of the can's contents.. we were still able to fully cover the entire side of a 2 car garage. A foam can is a great tool in the tool box over the ordinary water can if you can do it.
@pyroman6000
@pyroman6000 5 жыл бұрын
I had a similar experience with a 20# dry chem. We were at the academy, and my partner from the neighboring dept hadn't been able to bring an extinguisher, so we shared mine. We each put out 2 or 3 different naptha training fires- and when we were done, I still had to stand there for 2-3 minutes spraying powder to empty it. I couldn't believe how far #20 of dry chem will go- you can put out a lot of fire with that, or cover a big area of fluid.
@JNHstudios
@JNHstudios 12 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting, I was looking for an easy way to add a strap to my can. It has worked great so far!
@thecnwcaboose
@thecnwcaboose 10 жыл бұрын
Awesome video sir. Thank you very much. My department has been wondering how to attach a strap to the lower end of a can, and now I know. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
@200JLH
@200JLH 11 жыл бұрын
The D ring used, get 3 of them place the 1 on the bottom as done in the video, but take the other 2 and place them one atop the other maybe using a small loop of webbing to the top bracket then thread the webbing through both rings then between the rings. Makes for good tension and adjustment. Just an idea great video keep it up!!!
@gaston9x19
@gaston9x19 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video, very interesting and informative!
@ffjsb
@ffjsb 7 жыл бұрын
Using a dish detergent like Joy or Dawn is just as effective as Class A foam in a Can, and for many small departments, a lot more convenient. Putting either in a can is also good for using on small car fires or flammable liquid fires.
@ryanmorse7482
@ryanmorse7482 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have any numbers as far as how much to mix in? I've heard soap being used many times but I have yet to find a percentage.
@Fredengle
@Fredengle Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think I did read some where there was retired refill technician he said he figured out how to put out some liquid fires using dawn
@macpgm
@macpgm 12 жыл бұрын
Great Video. I can't believe our department hasn't added straps to ours...I'm going to add them next tour.
@280StJohnsPl
@280StJohnsPl 10 жыл бұрын
The can is a great tool and can knock down a lot of fire when properly used. I carried the can many times and always liked it.....although it gets heavy over the course of the tour climbing flights of stairs . LOL The key is to put your finger over the nozzle and create a spray....and try to conserve water as perhaps your officer and ironsman will pass the fire to search and depend on you to hold the fire so that they can get back out if the engine hasn't gotten the line in place by then.
@MrM2hb
@MrM2hb 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks.
@StrengthandVitality
@StrengthandVitality 4 жыл бұрын
Great video
@johnsteiner3417
@johnsteiner3417 4 жыл бұрын
Been awhile since I talked you about the novel I wrote. My friend, who previously joined the wildfire service after talking about the research I did has now gone into the academy for structural fire. I just sent him this video, because his training is about to get into the Can Position and how to use it.
@DALEGPEKEL
@DALEGPEKEL 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear from you John!! - I hope you are doing well my friend and still writing awesome novels!!
@johnsteiner3417
@johnsteiner3417 4 жыл бұрын
@@DALEGPEKEL Mostly short stories in an urban fantasy series, the novellas of which I couldn't find publishers for. If you go to "archiveofourown[dot]org" you'll find my short stories under John_Steiner. There's a firefighter story among them. :D
@jlm993
@jlm993 12 жыл бұрын
I like to put a shot glass worth of dawn detergent in mine. Cheaper than class A foam, works 95% as well.
@kevinkelm1739
@kevinkelm1739 8 жыл бұрын
good job keep it up
@theroycereport2889
@theroycereport2889 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 2 1/2 gallon water extinguisher for home use but I also have 2, 5lb. ABC dry chemical extinguishers for other classes of fires
@xxbryan715xx
@xxbryan715xx 10 жыл бұрын
Have you ever considered making a video on smooth bore nozzles vs fog? There is not a definitive video on it and I'm sure you have some interesting opinions
@INF116
@INF116 12 жыл бұрын
Are you using the straight stream right out if the tip or are you using your finger to create a fog pattern when you put this out.
@tfd247briggs
@tfd247briggs 11 жыл бұрын
I was actually going to ask if anyone has tried that. I've heard it before, but never heard experiences with it
@Fredengle
@Fredengle 10 ай бұрын
HI Dale I guess there is no reason I cant try to Jerry rig my 10 lbs dry chem with a strap? so I can easily take to neighbors bar b que or something?
@christopheryoung8190
@christopheryoung8190 10 жыл бұрын
I'm not a FF, but I do have a "can" that I got at garage sale. Makes me wonder if I might do some good, if I arrive before the real FF. Maybe so.
@Rangerfan-gz1rx
@Rangerfan-gz1rx 7 жыл бұрын
Christopher Young what, are you batman or something?. Leave it to the professionals, you wouldn't have any PPE so you would be burned and have severe smoke inhalation, and you would probably die. 7:20 it's 700 degrees, you wouldn't be able to go in without PPE.
@obfuscated3090
@obfuscated3090 6 жыл бұрын
Keep it for yourself. They have many uses.
@collectivefilmgroup4241
@collectivefilmgroup4241 3 жыл бұрын
This is bread and butter advice. Work smart and not hard when you can.
@Rescue-mt7fl
@Rescue-mt7fl Жыл бұрын
There are many aspects to the can position that aren’t addressed here. The test and demonstration fire is a bit disingenuous as well. To understand, we need to look at the origins and use of the can position. This was largely developed by FDNY in the 1960s. When employed by that department it is done by a truck company of 5 people arriving simultaneously with an engine of the same number and another couple of each arriving within 5 minutes of their arrival. This technique was honed on legacy fuels in heavy weight structures. The thought was that if the fire was a small fire it could be put down before the line was extended up 8 flights of stairs, or could knock a fire back while the door was closed. It isn’t a practical methodology for the overwhelming majority of American fire departments. Few departments outside of the urban departments are responding with the level of resources required to back this up. With what we have learned about modern combustibles and flammability of smoke, advancing on a fire that demonstrates the burn rate of that couch in a typical residential structure would not be the right action to place someone in the flow path with a water can. In a typical room with carpet and other furnishings, the amount of fire progression that would be demonstrated by the couch being that well involved would also have extended to other furnishings, dramatically extending the heat release rate. Mr Pekel, did state that you would typically use a 1 3/4 line, and that is absolutely true. To demonstrate that you could put a couch out is anecdotally interesting but doesn’t fall into a tactic that describes in any way what we would like to see typical department perform. If you see light wispy smoke, sure consider an extinguisher, but otherwise a structure fire is a structure fire. Thin smoke in modern buildings can become major smoke in seconds in modern lightweight construction. Not a realistic viable option for best case practices. I’ve watched it done for 38 years on a heavy rescue for an urban department, and the majority of times it was deployed was simply guys doing cowboy stuff in a position they had no business being in.
@DALEGPEKEL
@DALEGPEKEL Жыл бұрын
Res1cue 2021 - I'm curious, what FD do you or did you work for? You talk like you were FDNY. I've rode along with companies from Brooklyn and Queens in the 90's, early 2000 and back in 2012. Regardless of your reference, I'm sure you realize that most FDs do not operate like the FDNY does. My former Career FD and Volley FD are significantly different even though they're only one county apart from one another. (Milwaukee vs Waukesha county). A water extinguisher may not be able to completely extinguish a modern day furnished room fire, but it can definitely help you control and isolate it until an appropriate line can be deployed - Even with today's modern furnishings! I can tell you this without sounding or being "disingenuous" because I've done it! I've been first in alone at a few fires for my volley FD in my POV and have knocked down or controlled them with just an extinguisher until our Engines arrived - One resulted in a grab that I made before the room she was in flashed over. Yeah you could say it was "Cowboy Stuff", but I'll do what I have to save someone's life. You should know that I always appreciate constructive comments and feedback to my videos, but I have no respect for those that patronize and you are walking a fine line bro! In the end this video isn't advocating a fire extinguisher attack for a standard structure fire or to go rogue and break department SOPs/SOGs. Its purpose was to demonstrate the capability of a water extinguisher and some setup options to enhance it's effectiveness. It's a tool like anything else, and to use it properly one needs to understand its capabilties as well as it's limitations - Which is also influenced by a user users knowledge and experience. For those reading this - Don't take anything on face value - Practice using a "Can" and even multipupose dry chems to extinguish fires when you have "actual" acquired structures to burn in - and use realistic furnishings, not just pallets hay or straw. Then and only then will you be able to use your extinguishers intelligently within their capability.
@Rescue-mt7fl
@Rescue-mt7fl Жыл бұрын
@@DALEGPEKEL I appreciate your stance to this. I purposely do not identify what rescue or other companies prior to that I ve worked for two reasons, one I don’t speak for that company and don’t want others to mistake my comments for official comments. Secondly I don’t want to qualify my statements based solely on the size of department I have worked. I have worked both volunteer, suburban and inner city. All of the above have done things well and done things poorly all at the same time. It seems the largest organizations with the most fire experience learn and implement good training and solid science far slower than other groups. It’s hard to turn the titanic and so often it will keep heading towards the iceberg. I state my opinions based on my work and studies with scientific based research and some fairly active real world expertise combined. The risk to videos like what you have posted here is that many with less knowledge will misunderstand where and how to utilize this tool. I have watched the effectiveness of this tool in “holding the fire” drop drastically in light of modern combustibles and would say that technique is foolhardy at best, as the combust ability is not about the fire but more so the massive amounts of fuel surrounding you. Should your can technique fail, the survivability of the situation for rescuers becomes precarious at best. That is why in agencies that routinely employ a can position or at least have a member with one, often drop the can on the landing on determining the fire is more than a trash fire or food on the stove. The suburban and volunteer departments are far far better employing manpower to solid hose management and rapid water on fire at realistic flow rates, than assigning a person to a can position. They just don’t have the manpower or have a large line coming up the stairs behind them if they aren’t there to pull it. I’m glad you were able to employ your personal can to good effect, I’m sure given the near flash conditions you describe that you were also in gear and with personal SCBA to survive the environment yourself? My biggest statement here is to be responsible. Don’t simply share a technique for cool ratings, it identify your audience and what should they actually do on a fire. Stay safe.
@ChomopaStompa
@ChomopaStompa 11 жыл бұрын
What happened to being 8-10 feet away :O!?!?!?
@contactacb
@contactacb 7 жыл бұрын
That's for non professional users on smaller fires with no PPE or SCBA. Professional users with full PPE & SCBA can get right up close - in fact the Class A fire ratings you see on extinguishers involve the test extinguisher operator (fully kitted up) getting up close and personal with the test fire crib.
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