Firearms Facts: The 45 Confusion

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In this video Ray joins Eric to discuss the vast confusion regarding the venerable 45 caliber and its many different projectile diameters, associated cartridges and the dangers of mixing the wrong load in the wrong firearm. Stay tuned, much more on the way.
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@Starfighter-nk4mo 4 жыл бұрын

Make “the .50 confusion” 50 AE, 50 GI, 500 magnum, 510 beck, 500 nitro express, 50 Beowulf, 12.7x108, 12.7x55, and of coarse 50 BMG.

@ChaplainDaveSparks 3 жыл бұрын

.50 BMG Derringer, anyone?

@octopussmasher2694 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChaplainDaveSparks yes please

@jurajokasa834 3 жыл бұрын

50bmg is 12.7x99 :)

@dwaynesmith8986 3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget 500 auto max

@el_blaxicano2 3 жыл бұрын

coarse

@AP2020_Outdoors 5 жыл бұрын

Great history lesson on the venerable 45 caliber cartridges!! .451, .452, .454, .455, .457, .458 bore diameters!

@cmj20002 5 жыл бұрын

I have a .457 WWG and it is a .45-70 that is taller. A .45-90 slightly trimmed down.

@dELTA13579111315 4 жыл бұрын

I'm waiting for them to come out with a .4507 diameter one before I jump on the bandwagon

@charlesmay8251 5 жыл бұрын

im voting for the glock confusion

@kiloalphatango3256 5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@adamarens3520 5 жыл бұрын

It needs to be done. Please include a comedy sketch to demonstrate, kind of a “who’s on first?” type intro.

@isaacdiamond7600 5 жыл бұрын

plus one for the glock confusion

@laird340 5 жыл бұрын

Never been a glock boy. Never owned 1. Now looking at them and the number system is crazy confusing. That would make a great video.

@420TSA 5 жыл бұрын

Hell yea that be a great vid lol ahahhahahah

@chesterpanda 5 жыл бұрын

I had a Colt 45 once, not the best malt liquor around.

@arichansen8779 5 жыл бұрын

AND 2 zig zags.

@joebob4609 5 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment, but then I got high. Wait?

@robsmithford 5 жыл бұрын

It’s best at the park after dark.

@OriginalFallofMind 5 жыл бұрын

Lol

@aa-yt7wo 5 жыл бұрын

It's actually not bad

@PianoMan347 5 жыл бұрын

11:44 I think you're thinking about .45 Schofield

@williamkeith8944 5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@LifeisGood762 5 жыл бұрын

Came to the comments to say the same thing

@jacobforbes7212 5 жыл бұрын

And the .45 auto rim.

@mdingess 5 жыл бұрын

Also shoot the new ish 45 cowboy.

@netpackrat 5 жыл бұрын

Yes and no. The Schofield cartridge has a slightly larger rim diameter than .45 Colt, so when you tried to load it in an SAA chambered in .45 Colt, you could only fit 3 because you had to leave an empty space between cartridges for rim clearance. At the same time, you couldn't load Colt into a Schofield revolver, which was a logistical problem for the army since they had both pistol types issued. They came up with the "M1887 Military Ball" cartridge, which had the shorter length of the Schofield cartridge, and the rim diameter of the Colt, so one ammo type could work in both issued pistols. This is the origin of the "Long Colt" misnomer, because in the vernacular of the day they were often referred to as short colt and long colt.

@TakeDetour 5 жыл бұрын

I have my reason for loving the the 45 ACP.

@TheRealMrBlackCat Жыл бұрын

I am kind of surprised 45 Special wasn't mentioned as it was removed from Wildcat status years before this video was made. I have 460, 454, 45 Colt firearms. In the Raging Hunter 460, I shoot 5 different rounds: 460S&W Mag, 454 Casull, 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, and 45 Special. I am very aware of the bullet jump distances to the forcing cones, as well as cylinder burn from shorter cartridges. I don't shoot 50 rounds of 45 Special, then throw in a 460Mag because of this. Do remember that cylinder burn is very minor with 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, and 45 Special is the very low pressures. Just clean the cylinders good before running 454 and 460 through them again. Great video and the information is timeless.

@timt8029 5 ай бұрын

I must say I'd never heard of the .45 special. I'll have to look into that.

@timt8029 5 ай бұрын

Just checked it out. Thanks for the info.

@yooper7753 5 ай бұрын

It's actually the 45 Cowboy Special cartridge. Starline makes brass, and you use 45 Automatic load data.

@bunk95 4 ай бұрын

You have to be “special” to [accept] em.

@Gottaculat 5 жыл бұрын

--- *Please do one about "The Ammo Type Confusion," which covers the slew of acronyms such as HST, JHP, FMJ, SWC, +P, Mag, etc.* --- I'm buying my first gun (Walther CCP M2) soon, and while I'm a bit familiar with some of the acronyms out there due to video games (like Fallout: New Vegas with the FOOK and Project Nevada mods, as well as the Arma mil sims), some things you guys rattle off I've never even heard of like "HST." I saw a list of .45 ACP ammo once for a ballistics chart, and I was blown away by how many acronyms I didn't recognize.

@pj7362 5 жыл бұрын

Are you sure you're not a demoncrat.

@matthewgroff433 5 жыл бұрын

@@pj7362 You must be an Know it ALL Idiot Republi-cant Russian Troll!!! @Goattacular You asked a perfectly good question about all of the acronyms, which can be confusing even to experienced shooters/gun owners!! I have owned Firearms for almost 30 years, And I even get confused by the acronyms at times and have to look them up to know what they mean.

@slappy8941 5 жыл бұрын

@@matthewgroff433 Do you need a safe space?

@slappy8941 5 жыл бұрын

You've basically got FMJ - full metal jacket, which is generally military and target ammo, and hollowpoint, which is marketed under many different brand names. Those are the two basic types, but there are also niche types, such as solids and frangibles.

@dallasdinglewood1091 5 жыл бұрын

Ah the ol SWC. Sentinel Wound Cavity style projectile. I carry those in my Luger .325 Federal Maximum.

@shakostarsun 9 ай бұрын

I love my 45/70 especially that it's easy to reload my own bullets with hand tools.

@Mrgunsngear 5 жыл бұрын

great info

@tom-mx4ww 5 жыл бұрын

It’s amazing the knowledge of Eric , chad and ray, in all aspects of gunning, thank you guys so much, Tom,in NJ

@Threewolfs- 5 жыл бұрын

Love 45, love Old School revolvers (Remington ‘75) and levers (45 colt or 45-70❤️). Forty five will do the job every time 👍🏻🤠.

@bowhunter4489 5 жыл бұрын

Lol you cant compare 45acp to the 45-70

@matthewquinn8534 5 жыл бұрын

45-70 was the second hand gun or hand cannon I ever shot.

@stevenhenry5561 3 жыл бұрын

Watched this yesterday and it turned out to be quite timely. Son-in-law was considering buying a new lever gun in 45-70. So I was able to tell him about the pros and cons of the cartridge / black powder / reloading for 45-70. Thanks guys!

@timhood6970 5 жыл бұрын

Love it when Ray is on, always learn some vauable new information!

@rexdelorian 5 жыл бұрын

Guys, gotta say I'm loving these caliber confusion videos they r awesome. A nice mix of history and knowledge of ammo.

@KailuaDoug 3 жыл бұрын

Your "Confusion" series of videos are among the most informative out there. Great work.

@TTime685 4 жыл бұрын

You guys are firearms encyclopedias! I've been binge watching the facts and confusion vids! 😁 Great info!

@salon1928 5 жыл бұрын

Great conversation guys. Reminded me of why 45 caliber is my favorite.

@tristanholland6445 5 жыл бұрын

I really like these videos it's hard to get into such an in depth conversation like this when most people simply don't know this much about cartridges or have the interest.

@bradleyf5865 5 жыл бұрын

Always good to see Ray on the channel. Between you two, you guys could probably write an encyclopedia on this stuff.

@Funkyluv 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Eric, watching your video today had me feeling like I was back in school and I’ve been out of school sense 1980. Thanks for the history lesson it was very informative and I learned a lot. 🤙🏾

@wolfwind9658 5 жыл бұрын

He was thinking of 45scholfield same diameter as 45colt but shorter and weaker.

@murphy4yt 5 жыл бұрын

I think the .45 short round you were looking for is the .45 Schofield, issued to the army in the 1870s to fit the Smith & Wesson Schofield revolver. Thanks for the video.

@dougcobb8114 9 ай бұрын

Yep,thinking the same...but a collector item...

@surfstrat59 5 жыл бұрын

Nice to see Ray again!

@sicsempertyrannis8159 5 жыл бұрын

You missed an obscure .45, that being the 451 detonics magnum

@hawk6111 5 жыл бұрын

The .460 magnum is stupid powerful. I love the fireballs that come out of it at night when fired

@Aussie.Mick.G 5 жыл бұрын

Hi guys keep up what your doing great content

@kenhelmers2603 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys. These are always interesting!

@r0ast5_61 5 жыл бұрын

11:45 I believe you were referring to .45 schofield

@kendrickdonnelly 5 жыл бұрын

Other dude is smart as hell

@mmcnamara35able 7 ай бұрын

Thank you guys. Just got myself a Henry in 45LC

@Vultureswag 5 жыл бұрын

Dick Casull passed away on May 6 2018. He was my friend. May he R.I.P.

@MrSGL21 3 жыл бұрын

damn i didn't know he died. he did more for magnum hand guns than anyone since Keith.

@DirkMays 3 жыл бұрын

Can you shoot 454 casull out of a 455 smith & Wesson

@skarr4485 3 жыл бұрын

@@DirkMays no but you can from a 460

@Max-ye9xg Күн бұрын

I just got a 454 Casull Ruger I thought highly of Mr Casull I did not know he passed away sorry to hear

@r.a.capell42 Жыл бұрын

I know this is a few years old but, I'm happy to see you guys dive into the middle of the .45 Caliber confusion mess. Our Troopers downgraded to 9mm. In 2017, the South Carolina Highway Patrol issues the 9mm Glock Model 17M. Troopers were previously issued the Glock Model 37 .45 GAP and the Glock Model 22 .40 S&W.[11] The last revolver used was the Smith & Wesson Model 66 .357 magnum (Supposedly to go through the radiator and/or engine block, to stop a vehicle) which is a derivative of the Smith & Wesson Model 19

@Mr.Autodelete 5 жыл бұрын

I need to go to moss and buy some stuff as an excuse to say howdy

@wpherigo1 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! It’s amazing how complex this stuff can be.

@grahamlopez6202 5 жыл бұрын

I would have stayed. They sell machieneguns and flamethrowers. Dream job

@grahamlopez6202 5 жыл бұрын

it isnt the middle of the ghetto, it's right off 75. And automatics can only be sold with a class 3. Moss can sell them but arrowhead, which is just up the road, cant.

@Mr.Autodelete 5 жыл бұрын

@Skip M guys take this somewhere else these notifications are killing me, fucking boomers

@grahamlopez6202 5 жыл бұрын

I used to live around 3 miles from moss, it's not that bad, but it's not like it used to be. It gets worse the closer you get to the city. Moss is a small shop but they have nice stuff

@stephenhair5501 5 жыл бұрын

Confusing but what a fun bit of knowledge about .45's. Love my 45-70 Govt. too. Thanks for sharing guys!!

@brantardrey7360 3 жыл бұрын

Have 45-70 for sale nobody wants the ammo

@taffdavies35 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys, very informative.

@heymotivator2231 5 жыл бұрын

Still haven’t seen that 458 Lott video you promised! Love this series.

@pj7362 5 жыл бұрын

Great video gentleman. It is always a pleasure. God bless.

@henryszubielski8601 Жыл бұрын

Great video guys! Thanks

@kowboykalebb 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video Eric, hopefully next time I’m in Georgia I can come check out the shop

@bhamilton8115 5 жыл бұрын

Love the mention of the Ruger#1. My father has terrorized several ranges with his handloads for a Ruger #3. All within sammi specs. But most people have never experienced that level of stomp. You just hope they don’t drop the rifle

@gpozdol7912 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I'm glad you got the new guy on there.

@thereturningshadow 5 жыл бұрын

Since you had 460 S&W on the counter, I am surprised you didn't have or at least mention the 460 Rowland for 1911s.

@joebob4609 5 жыл бұрын

You should ask Paul Harrell to come down and film him and Ray do one of these!!

@dannydelatorre7122 3 жыл бұрын

Greetings from a marine from the bs land we call Libralfornia Love your videos guys, very informative. Just picked up my first smith & Wesson today.

@keithbrown2458 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding video guys thank you I learned some things about the 45 that I didn’t know

@adamak47miller90 5 жыл бұрын

I love these bullet reviews

@jimmiefarris4218 Жыл бұрын

Excellent and enjoyable video. Very informative.

@gerryk3114 5 жыл бұрын

Nicely Done ! Thanks For the Information !!! Would Love to See Chad’s GAC

@Bhartrampf Жыл бұрын

When he was talking about what cartridges can be shot out of the 460, the 45 S&W is I think what he was thinking of. Nice break down video.

@singleshot2218 5 жыл бұрын

You forgot one! .450 marlin!

@Geekygordon 3 жыл бұрын

Was disappointed after it came out, I wanted it to be like the 458.

@joshbumbar3895 3 жыл бұрын

450 Marlin hands down is my favorite rifle

@jacobhughes8222 5 жыл бұрын

I can say I love shooting my Ruger Blackhawk in .45! When I got it didn't have the extra cylinder to shoot .45acp, but purchased one and had a friend that machined it to fit. I need to test it more though with the .45acp cylinder. My favorite rounds to run through it are the Buffalo Bore .45 Long Colt +P's.

@jerryjohnsonii4181 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome episode Eric. I have a Glock 37 Gen 3 as my Home defense pistol. Thanks for the knowledge about the 45 confusion Sir .

@MrSGL21 3 жыл бұрын

i got 2 37s a gen 3 and a 4 plus the 39. love the gap

@scttewegner72 5 жыл бұрын

Very technical based, but informative beyond that, and the ending/hunting/hippo stuff made it humorous and agreeable. As a late bloomer to gun rights and firearms (6 yrs). I appreciate videos 5hat educate me on things that not only involve my choice of firearms and calibers. I also appreciate the history of it all and the 2nd Amendment stand. Thank you and your channel

@fritzd2116 5 жыл бұрын

Very interesting indeed. Thank you.

@SootHead 5 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that shooting .45ACP in a .455 Webley is equivalent to a proof test every time you pull the trigger. The Webleys were designed for a much lower CUP than the ACP del;ivers. More so on the Mark I (1887-1894) that were designed for black powder, though most of those were reproofed for cordite starting around the turn of the century. The later version will stand up to it... until they don't. You can reload ACP or Auto Rim cases to a lower pressure and with the right recipe and, IMO, they shoot better than the original Mark I or II ammo. More importantly, they are safe... for the revolver and they person shooting it.

@StormAngelWolf 5 жыл бұрын

God bless y'all! Hope you are watching Barry!

@damanifesto 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Thanks for mentioning the 458 Lott. BTW, I get 2300 fps consistently from my Ruger No.1 and Hornady Factory ammunition. Being straight walled, I can also download it to 350gr @ 1000 fps. Very versitle cartridge in .458.

@RanninRavensight 5 жыл бұрын

.50 confusion next, please! Thanks for the awesome "confusion" videos

@exothermal.sprocket Жыл бұрын

.45 Colt is still one of the very best .45 cartridges all these years later. It's not too much, not too little, gets the job done admirably with the right bullet loaded. Enough power to slam end-to-end through a big animal or downloaded enough to make a day plinking with a SAA super fun. Not too long to reduce magazine capacity in a lever gun, not too short to be ballistically whimpy. Easy to reload. Easy to get a huge host of bullet types. Easy to get guns chambered for it.

@justinpoison8332 2 жыл бұрын

Outstanding video, thank you.

@danbyers8462 5 жыл бұрын

Great educational video! Thanks!

@jimvandemoter6961 5 жыл бұрын

I had a Triumph Bonneville motorcycle. Every nut and bolt was Whitworth. I had to search for a tool kit for it. It was a nightmare.

@wesleymantooth8016 3 жыл бұрын

Ray's got one of those voices i could fall asleep to. In a good way.

@VALINOR24 2 жыл бұрын

This video is very informative. Thanks guys.

@aaronbuckmaster7063 5 жыл бұрын

The GAP to the ACP is the 40 S&W to the 10mm. An APC with moon clips in a revolver is effective and fast in reloading. The 454 was a wildcat pumped up LC. My 5” 460 is faster in velocity to my 45-70 1886. They are absolutely right about watching what 45-70 loads you shoot in different actions. Be careful. Diminishing returns come quick in long cases. 375 H&H and up in Africa. The 458 Win Mag fell short for Africa. Hence the Lott and the Edge. Doubling the bullet weight at a given velocity doubles the energy. Doubling the velocity at a given bullet weight quadruples the energy.

@JasonVladimir 5 жыл бұрын

Good show!

@rb6749 5 жыл бұрын

Was waiting for the 45 win mag. The one developed for the canadian service pistol used in the automags and LAR Grizzlys. And so I keep waiting

@rebelyank6361 Ай бұрын

I was waiting as well. Just picked up a LAR Grizzly in .45 Win Mag.

@shanevonharten3100 5 жыл бұрын

Nice info. love my Henry 45-70.

@nativejuicevapors 5 жыл бұрын

Great video love to see moss again thanks Eric

@greogebrewer9643 5 жыл бұрын

very good keep them coming.

@gabeaddington 5 жыл бұрын

really enjoyed this vid. I can only imagine the possibilities in the shooting world for more videos like this.

@bobdefalco 5 жыл бұрын

RAY! More Ray!

@davidhowe7844 5 жыл бұрын

My papa uses the Ruger #1 loads from the Barnes loading manual for his .45-70 H&R handi rifle. Showing 2800fps with a 250gr bullet and 2500fps with a 300 grain

@reachvictoria3386 5 жыл бұрын

David Howe not messing around there!

@johnt4060 5 жыл бұрын

David Howe Whew! That'll do some damage!

@davidhowe7844 5 жыл бұрын

@Mississippi Ditch Fisher nope. Never even heard of howe rifles

@noahbenak7767 5 жыл бұрын

Great Video, Would love to see more 45-70 content

@hooterboy12345 5 жыл бұрын

I think it was .45 Schofield he was trying to think of. I have a .454 but I never cared to try and hunt the Schofield down since it’s basically a weaker .45 LC. Great video, gentlemen!

@JW...-oj5iw 5 жыл бұрын

OK, I played it back enough times to identify the time stamp at 23:34 as the point at which you utterly misidentified the rifle cartridge, the .458 Winchester Magnum as the handgun cartridge, the .45 Winchester Magnum. Way back when, two proprietary cartridges were developed, the 9mm Winchester Magnum and the .45 Winchester Magnum. Unfortunately, the handguns to use the cartridges didn't materialize. The 9 slipped into obscurity, but the .45 found usage in a stretched 1911 style pistol, the Grizzly. Of course I figured out quickly that you were talking about the .458 WM when I saw the cartridge on the table.

@enriquearg Жыл бұрын

I was just about to point the same about the .458 WM but decided to read some comments first 🙂

@longhorns12557 3 жыл бұрын

Love the shirt Eric.

@JimiBones 5 жыл бұрын

Dude you ain't lying bout the Glock confusions lol

@forestrebock3545 5 жыл бұрын

Hey I heard that Glock names their models based on the patents used for them. Even if true it still doesn't help clear up any of the confusion to the consumer that's for sure.

@JimiBones 5 жыл бұрын

@@forestrebock3545 ain't that the truth. Yea I heard the patent thing too.

@paule1983 5 жыл бұрын

@@JimiBones Thats what I heard too Jim.

@ronniestanley9090 5 жыл бұрын

The model numbers are patent numbers on Glocks. And, the reason its confusing to people is because people have a misconception that a model number should describe the weapon. Who labels their weapons with descriptive model numbers. If Glock is bad I would think Smith and Wesson be more confusing........ J frame, x frame, n frame, l frame, 342, 642, 36, etc . What does it all mean? If all else fails, you can always look on the slide or barrel and it will have the caliber stamped on it.

@donskiver 4 жыл бұрын

Would love a glock confusion video. Would also like a Smith and Wesson revolver confusion video. Don't have to go over every model number, just the more common ones would be great.

@kurtfowler1545 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks...

@mrballzach5429 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks guys. Love the "Sir Arthur Hi Point" shirt 😂😂

@chrischiampo7647 5 жыл бұрын

Welcome Eric n Ray 😀🇺🇸😀

@Rumblestrip 5 жыл бұрын

The 45 he was thinking of that's chamber in 45 Colt/cassul was the 45 Scofield. Enemic as all get out, but it does work.

@HughesEnterprises 5 жыл бұрын

Guy I went shooting with brought a box of .45 Colt to shoot in his new Colt 1911. Needless to say he was rather confused when he couldn’t jam the rounds in the magazine.

@VinnyS9143101982 5 жыл бұрын

I was talking to my cousin right around the time he became a NYS Trooper. They just switched from the 17 to the 37 but then my range director said Troopers were begging to go back to the 17. NOT for mag cap (although the 17 holds between 17-33 rounds) but for the fact that G.A.P. was NOWHERE & 9X 19 was EVERYWHERE. My FFL had ONE box of Long Colt that costs TWICE as much as ACP. So I put 5 rounds through my Governor (I have the Stainless that I first saw on here) and I saved the remaining 45. If I were to fire the 460 I'd prefer the rifle for the fact that the revolver I hold with two HANDS, the rifle I hold with two ARMS & one SHOULDER.

@cziizi 5 жыл бұрын

love these videos! ...but you forgot two cartridges here: the 450 Marlin, and the 460 Weatherby Magnum - both fire a bullet that's .458" in diameter.

@HerrenGamingNews 5 жыл бұрын

I got a 460 S&W I love this revolver. I love 45 colt, 454 and 460. Now to get a 45-70

@jaycousland9835 4 жыл бұрын

I almost bought the 460 this week,but decided to go 45-70 in rifle and revolver.I shoot a lot of black powder,so it has the case capacity to give 3-405 grain slugs some speed

@deltaforcereviews 2 жыл бұрын

I love the 460 magnum because you can shoot 454 cassull & 45 colt too

@bobbyharper8710 5 жыл бұрын

Lol, the 458 Winchester Magnum was the most popular caliber in African big game hunting for decades despite Lott's sales pitch.

@brantardrey7360 3 жыл бұрын

I have a bunch of those in the shop in the back corner the 458 Win Mag I think they have 600 Nitro in them? But I have some that are a little shorter the guy who lives here he is 90 used to load ammo back in the 60s and 70s 80s 90s he used to hunt in Africa can't seem to find anybody that wants to buy them

@RickyJr46 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed this a Lott.

@boscos5287 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Tv quality information. Good job sirs

@jr5059 5 жыл бұрын

Great video like always R.I.P BERRY we miss you

@JBB2938 5 жыл бұрын

I am impressed with the amount of off hand info. I am pretty knowledgeable but this shit was deep. Bravo

@user-cg1ni7ub9i 10 ай бұрын

I picked up the 450 Bushmaster in the AR configuration from the War in Rhodesia following Vietnam. It’s basically an 45-70 in a AR configuration with the danger of extremely dangerous predators along with the Communist it was reassuring to have them in the hostile environment

@whiskeytangofoxtrot5244 5 жыл бұрын

Gentlemen the .45 subject is near and dear to us old Marines. My .45 Colt saved my butt during Indochina service. I now carry a Kimber Raptor II. I am confused by the .45 imitators. You guys are interesting I subscribed to you. As a vet you probably wonder what kind of a bonehead makes this comment. I was a Marine Corps 0331 machinegunner. My M60 was my heavy weapon. Semper Fi.

@brianschoonmaker2827 5 жыл бұрын

LOVE to see a GLOCK CONFUSION VID!Would be most entertaining!

@doctoreff1 5 жыл бұрын

The Glock model number is based on the patent number designated for that model that went in to production. First Glock patent that went into production, the 17.