Fireplaces SUCK! Here's why

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Matt Risinger

Matt Risinger

Жыл бұрын

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Matt talks about how one of the most beloved pieces of a home, the fireplace, can actually be a real headache and negatively affect the efficiency and comfort of your home.
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@hardpathpoet2859
@hardpathpoet2859 Жыл бұрын
I'm a second generation mason, and we build mostly fireplaces. My father has spent 40 years in the trade, and developed a reputation as one of, if not the best, fireplace builder in New Hampshire. We buid most our fireplace on high-end newly constructed homes. Fireplaces are our art, and I can address all these concerns. To give air to the fire, without opening a window or door, an outside air vent needs to be put into the firebox. It's a small vent that slides open and close, about half a brick, laid into the second course of the firebox. A channel is run through the masonry, with an opening on the chimney. When built with an adequate smoke shelf, closing the damper of an indoor fireplace should prevent any significant air leak problems when the fireplace is not being used. A tall enough chimney, and large enough flu liner is what ensures proper draw. The size of the flu needs to be appropriate to the size of the firebox. They are expensive, much like other peices of art. The craftsmanship in fireplaces is obvious to me, but I am biased. We have built more than 200 fireplaces, in many different kinds of homes, of several styles. I would be happy to address any questions about fireplaces, including the challenges that arise in building them, or in repairing faulty fireplaces.
@nobodykayaks1041
@nobodykayaks1041 Жыл бұрын
Thats exactly thw problem, and even if a fireplace is well made its placed in the worst place in the house. I have only lived in 1 house that had a fire place in a good spot. Usually they put them right in the way of laying out a room.
@philipvecchio3292
@philipvecchio3292 Жыл бұрын
Do you have any videos? I would love to see your work and art.
@Tangeloor
@Tangeloor Жыл бұрын
I wish I could get you and your Dad's overall and honest impression of a mason built fireplace built about 70 years ago. The evolution of fireplaces in NH must have some surprises in it.
@simplyhandy2769
@simplyhandy2769 Жыл бұрын
For real man. I have pinterest loaded with fireplace ideas but never thought of these complex problems. I'd watch these builds.
@Matasky2010
@Matasky2010 Жыл бұрын
@@nobodykayaks1041 Depends if the home was simply built to sell or thoughtfully designed. Also depends if you're planning the room around the fireplace (as the centrepiece), or if it's just there as a source of heat. I do hate when the tv and fireplace are forced to share the same wall space- not ideal.
@lucadegasperi3601
@lucadegasperi3601 Жыл бұрын
Here in europe some passive houses in very cold climates have a fireplace or wood stove inside the house but both the intake and exhaust are isolated from the inside of the house, the fire is also separated with an airtight glass that you only open to feed the fire. You get the nice radiant heating from the fire but none of the air leaks.
@kettch42
@kettch42 Жыл бұрын
Why not use a wood stove then? They have glass on their doors too. And a wood stove extracts a lot more heat for your house than a fireplace does. And it has cleaner exhaust too.
@ElShiester
@ElShiester Жыл бұрын
Would absolutely like to see a review breakdown on these. Rented a condo for skiing in Switzerland and it had a freestanding fireplace that was glassed in like you said.
@aale-ut9ck
@aale-ut9ck Жыл бұрын
Check out how things are done in Finland, Sweden, or Norway. Having fireplace is pretty cheap and easy way to ensure additional heating without any compromises.
@hardpathpoet2859
@hardpathpoet2859 Жыл бұрын
@aale2000 Not high-quality English fireplaces. The technology of an English fireplaces is outdated, and their modern purpose is primarily as an art piece. Our new fireplaces typically run 30-60k. There are ways to make it more affordable though.
@snowsurfr
@snowsurfr Жыл бұрын
I would love to learn more about northern European building, windows and heating. Does anyone know a good source of info?
@setaraujo1478
@setaraujo1478 Жыл бұрын
Santa Claus just gave this video a big thumbs down 🎅😅😅
@buildshow
@buildshow Жыл бұрын
Ha! Don’t get me wrong, I’m pro Santa Claus. Will have to find another way for him to make a sneaky entrance. I know there’s some kids in the audience, but they typically don’t read the comments. Parents, be sure to tell your kids that I’m not anti-Santa.
@swissmade1497
@swissmade1497 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@CMbassin
@CMbassin Жыл бұрын
Santa now comes in the intake of your ERV 🤣
@travismorgan4249
@travismorgan4249 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@beammeier4997
@beammeier4997 Жыл бұрын
Santa got his fat ass stuck! LOL
@bent7131
@bent7131 Жыл бұрын
This is the side of Risinger I like most. Passionate about building science, critical thinker, willing say what he thinks👍. Anybody that watches this channel knows about the sponsored episodes; sometimes they're good products, other times they're complete headslappers...Everyone has to make a living but IMO this style is his best content.
@ronnymcdonald2543
@ronnymcdonald2543 Жыл бұрын
He goes a bit far with air seal, not everyone wants to live in hermetically sealed box with air pumps all over the place lol
@slickmcCool
@slickmcCool Жыл бұрын
​@@ronnymcdonald2543 but that is the trade of, if you don't want to live in a high performance house, you pay more in costs of heating and cooling, in size of your carbin footprint, personal comfort and the quality of indoor air.
@ronnymcdonald2543
@ronnymcdonald2543 Жыл бұрын
@@slickmcCool Rubbish, a slight air loss can still be high performance - You guys are air tight snobs and most builders just laugh at that bullshit
@guylambrechts2303
@guylambrechts2303 Жыл бұрын
@@slickmcCool Couldn't say that any better!
@stephaneboisjoli1320
@stephaneboisjoli1320 Жыл бұрын
​@@ronnymcdonald2543 why wouldn't you? Saves money, and you get fresh air from the clean HRV tubing, not dusty cracks in the house.
@dustinruth
@dustinruth Жыл бұрын
I just built my wife and I a new house. I put in a wood fireplace insert. It has a 30’ brick chimney…you wanted dramatic responses…I know it’s not efficient, but it brings me joy. Sorta like a full size pickup…burns more dinosaurs 🦕 and cost more to drive…but it’s enjoyable. Lots of things in life like that. Btw mine draws nicely. Also gives me good reasoning to use a chainsaw and stuff
@davidbaldwin1591
@davidbaldwin1591 Жыл бұрын
The experience of a home is what makes it worth doing: Rain on a tin roof, a screened in porch, a balcony, and yes, the dog & kids by the fireplace.
@DouglasRadzanowskiJr
@DouglasRadzanowskiJr 6 ай бұрын
YES! We had a terrible old townhome, but it had a big fireplace in the middle of it. It made cold winters and snuggling with my wife on the couch totally worth it.
@3172bees
@3172bees Жыл бұрын
I’m in northern Maine. I have a wood stove in the basement as a back up. Sometimes we loose power. In the winter it can get to 50° below zero. That becomes a life threatening situation pretty quickly.
@koljag5
@koljag5 Жыл бұрын
I really like a wood burning stove with an outside air intake. If you get an epa approved one they burn pretty clean too. Great extra option if the power is out.
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
I live in zone 7, ☺🇨🇦 Atlantic Canada and selectively log on our 8 acres of forest. We only keep the two storey 4 bedroom home heated with burning wood in the air tight insert. The family home is connected to the oil furnace system with base heaters....only when we travel in the winter for a few weeks twice a year on back country mountain remote hut trips do we switch on the furnace to maintain the house at 5C to prevent the pipes from freezing....we get home and shut the furnace option off and keep burning wood that we gathered, hauled and split to stack in the large carport. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was 111.00 and 106.00. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. The family home is not modern, built in 1983, so no ERV or HVAC. We have two dehumidifiers in the basement for those 3 weeks of humidity that pop up. Other than that we feel quite comfortable and just L O V E the heat from the air tight fire insert to keep us warm all winter long.
@koljag5
@koljag5 Жыл бұрын
@@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs only way to do it. Sounds like you have the perfect setup.
@bruhmania7359
@bruhmania7359 6 ай бұрын
@@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs zone 7 you don't even need heating lmao.
@colbullsigh6823
@colbullsigh6823 Жыл бұрын
I'm with you! As a custom homebuilder of 38 years, my best fireplaces have been fakes built around TV screens showing an endless loop of a traditional fire. The face and mantles were premium and the draft was ZERO! My first was with a looped VHS recorder in the early 90's, but later I had the hearth wired for cable TV.
@sickbassdrop
@sickbassdrop Жыл бұрын
There HAS to be a flue that can be 100% sealable and just kick in your ERV/HRV to boost when you want to run the fireplace or possibly add an auxiliary ERV. I'm building a home next year and really want to put a fireplace in but don't want to suffer the ACH penalty. Come on Matt. With all your connections to building suppliers I'm sure you can find SOMEONE who makes a solution to this conundrum. Love your videos btw. Been watching for a long time.
@FreekHoekstra
@FreekHoekstra Жыл бұрын
I agree with most things you said, but I still want fireplace. And it’s because if the big freeze hits and the power goes out. I like being able to burn stuff to stay warm. I like redundancy. Would love to have a video on how to build a proper airtight fireplace , knowing that it’s suboptimal if I still want one, how do I still make it the best fireplace possible
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
What I wrote to Matt in comments: Matt, glad you brought up this topic. Cold climate Canada with power outages: I live in zone 7, ☺🇨🇦 Atlantic Canada and selectively log on our 8 acres of forest. We only keep the two storey 4 bedroom home heated with burning wood in the air tight insert. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. The family home is connected to the oil furnace system with base heaters....only when we travel in the winter for a few weeks twice a year on back country mountain remote hut trips do we switch on the furnace to maintain the house at 5C to prevent the pipes from freezing....we get home and shut the furnace option off and keep burning wood that we gathered, hauled and split to stack in the large carport. The family home is not modern, built in 1983, so no ERV or HVAC. We have two dehumidifiers in the basement for those 3 weeks of humidity that pop up. Other than that we feel quite comfortable and just L O V E the heat from the air tight fire insert to keep us warm all winter long. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. I am hoping to add an extension on to this home, with doors to seal it off from the main home. The plans have the Perfect Wall and Perfect Roof, Lstiburek with the Steve Baczek air tight details listed as part of the building details. A door blower test is also part of the plan. Due to power outages that we have here in the country, a very small air tight wood stove is planned to be on the main floor. The basement is full ICF. The power outages mean that continuing to be self sufficient without having to rely on a generator and look for fuel has been Perfect for peace of mind. The plan would be to have the air intake from the outside because the science in wood burning is that the heat from the stove builds up in the home and pushes against the windows as opposed to looking to suck air in from leaky windows. That is why the intake air will be from the outside. So much to learn, so little time. Long live Our houses.....👍☺🇨🇦
@kschleic9053
@kschleic9053 Жыл бұрын
1. Put the fireplace in the core of the house, not an exterior wall. 2. Design in a very tight firebox door. The best designs I've seen have a glass window facing into the primary living space and then a metal door with a tight gasket on the sidewall or back of the fireplace for building the fire. 3. Be intentional about where the supply air comes from, and how much. It should come from outside into the firebox... Using warm interior air to fuel the fire is counterproductive to keeping the house warm. The airflow should be optimized to burn the fire as hot as possible. 4. Capture the heat. If your firebox is hot enough, it will fully burn all the combustion by-products, generating even more heat and leaving an exhaust flow that is just extremely hot water vapor and CO2... Since there isn't any tar by-products to precipitate onto the chimney walls if the exhaust temperature gets too low, your ideal chimney in this case is as labyrinthine as possible while still maintaining enough draw. The exhaust should be only moderately warmer than your interior air by the time it leaves your chimney.
@danonly7
@danonly7 Жыл бұрын
Freek- buy a nice wood stove!
@5150Lane
@5150Lane Жыл бұрын
I can't keep up with this stuff, as the activist change their mind so often. Are we presently on Global Cooling, or Global Warming? Or are we on the world is getting cooler because of global warming?
@FreekHoekstra
@FreekHoekstra Жыл бұрын
@@5150Lane global warming is always been kind of a bad misnomer, it’s just warming on average, but what it really means is more extreme weather, So hotter hots and colder cold days. @ken_the_bigfoot, those seem like good tips, the easiest way seems to be to draw in air, around the flu, that way it cools down the exhaust gasses, who’s down the the.and heats the incoming air, kind of like an erv does, and we’re not net losing air sucking it in in bad ways. I love the idea of having the fireplace in the heart of the home too always have, seems ideal near the stairwell.
@jimyeats
@jimyeats Жыл бұрын
Better option would be having your main house and conditioned envelope and then putting a nice fireplace on a closed in porch or ‘Arizona Room’ type of concept.
@manleynelson9419
@manleynelson9419 Жыл бұрын
😊
@chrisfox6843
@chrisfox6843 Жыл бұрын
I do like our rocket mass heater we built for the outdoor kitchen. Even with it in the 20's you can sit on the heated bench and be super comfortable.
@kendog52361
@kendog52361 Жыл бұрын
A recent TOH Season had them installing a fireplace, and I think it was wood burning, but for the "intake", they used the flue within a flue system, like what's used for other things, like gas furnaces and so on. That is, the air intake and outtake are in two pipes, but only a single pipe is running out. That also allowed them to really air seal to the inside of the house, making it basically airtight, but it's still getting the needed air, via the pipe within a pipe.
@alanwalters8006
@alanwalters8006 6 ай бұрын
Chicago resident here. That's how our tankless water heater works -- flue within flue. Tight seal, one hole despite a basement location and everything works fabulously well.
@bryanp8010
@bryanp8010 Жыл бұрын
A regular masonry chimney with a chain damper is fine. Draw issues come with any fireplace. Chimneys less that 16’ and more that 35’ will almost never draw properly no matter what which is why gas inserts generally have to be in that height range. Those fresh air vents dont do squat. The secret to solving a draw issue on a fireplace with proper height is the doors. You MUST heat the chimney liner for it to draw. When you first light the fire, keep the doors mostly closed for a few minutes. When the fire gets going then open then fully and you’ll be fine. Ive been in the fireplace business 25 years and i have the highest rated company in Northern Virginia. I’m not a fan of prefab wood fireplaces or cheap gas fireplaces. That’s where most problems are from.
@viewthoughmyeyes
@viewthoughmyeyes Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Facts! Got to heat the flu and surrounding area for proper drawer first! Well said!
@GoodVibesOnly1914
@GoodVibesOnly1914 3 ай бұрын
I was wanting to build a block fireplace in my doublewide from scratch, this makes me realize height may be a problem with draw, if i made one 14' tall do you think it would draw after it heats up?
@bryanp8010
@bryanp8010 3 ай бұрын
@@GoodVibesOnly1914 some do, some don’t. I’ve seen as low as 12’ draw but under 16 is a gamble. Also, vent sizes, barometric pressure, elevation all come into play. Theres so much involved. You could be fine for 10 years and suddenly have a problem. With short runs a prefab fireplace may be a better option. No one can say with 100% certainty you’ll be fine though. If they did they be lying. That said, you will likely be ok with wood if the chimney heats up. Put doors on and that will balance pressures. If there’s a return hvac vent near by it may F everything up completely; that’s another factor to consider.
@GoodVibesOnly1914
@GoodVibesOnly1914 3 ай бұрын
@bryanp8010 after some more thought, I'm just going to build a damn tv into a cinderblock fireplace and make it simulated lol, support it underneath with jacksposts and beam. Most of the reason for the whole build is to hold a custom sound system anyway. And it will double as my tv anyway. Keep it simple stupid
@nealkonneker6084
@nealkonneker6084 Жыл бұрын
They would be useful as a thermal mass if they were enclosed within the insulated living space. It annoys me that most fireplaces protrude out into the cold outdoors, so they are a huge uninsulated wall when not in use.
@adamt195
@adamt195 6 ай бұрын
So, a wood stove.
@co7314
@co7314 6 ай бұрын
I grew up in a 2-story house in the Midwest with a wood burning fireplace. My parents still live there. In over 40 years they've only seen a few days where weird downdraft bursts messed with the draw. The only maintenance/repair was done about 75 yrs after it was built (re-line and a bit of masonry on the very top part). I would never buy a home without a wood burning stove or fireplace, if I lived in a climate where it got truly cold un the winter. Not just for ambiance, but for practical contingencies. My sister had just moved into a 1960s home in TX with a working fireplace when the big freeze hit. That saved them from having to evacuate. Maybe your issues stem from the quality/design of the modern manufacturers.
@samasmith89
@samasmith89 Жыл бұрын
We're designing a house right now, and the biggest decision we can't agree on is whether or not to have a fireplace. My wife's biggest question is "where will we hang the stockings?".
@lgadams1
@lgadams1 Жыл бұрын
Explore your options with a reputable dealer. You have options that meet stringent science and some aesthetic options.
@bradleysargent9803
@bradleysargent9803 Жыл бұрын
Anywhere you want, is where. You have options.
@viewthoughmyeyes
@viewthoughmyeyes Жыл бұрын
Agreed where do you hang the stockings? I live in metro Atlanta, GA. I love my wood burning fireplace even though it's not as efficient as it could be. I'll continue to make small changes to make it better. I guess it's the ambience more than anything. It's worth the trouble. Besides I love cutting wood it's gives me a reason to feel like a man and use my chainsaw and even ax at times. Even though I recently upgrade to a electrical splitter best $300 I've ever spent. Without the fireplace how Santa Claus get in....?
@markanthony3275
@markanthony3275 6 ай бұрын
A fireplace is just like getting a pet cat...you never really need one...but can you imagine life without one?
@422systemarty
@422systemarty Жыл бұрын
We live in the Rockies of Colorado and use a woodstove as a source of heat for the home...it would be interesting to see if wood stoves suffer the same fate as fireplaces. I know in Alaska fireplaces and stove are used as a main source of heat. It would be nice to see some episodes on inserts and woodstoves and if it is possible to improve the air tightness..))
@iansevs549
@iansevs549 Жыл бұрын
some off grid cabins use wood for heat but most of us use NG
@lexpox329
@lexpox329 6 ай бұрын
i was wondering this as well
@bobbygetsbanned6049
@bobbygetsbanned6049 Жыл бұрын
I'll take a fireplace over more air sealing 100% of the time. An outdoor fireplace isn't even comparable to an indoor fireplace.
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
And....here in Canada in zone 7 with power outages....well.........this is a comment I added for Matt to read and consider...as well as suggested he do a vid to show detail on how to air tight seal as best as possible an air tight stove or insert. Matt, glad you brought up this topic. Cold climate Canada with power outages: I live in zone 7, ☺🇨🇦 Atlantic Canada and selectively log on our 8 acres of forest. We only keep the two storey 4 bedroom home heated with burning wood in the air tight insert. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. The family home is connected to the oil furnace system with base heaters....only when we travel in the winter for a few weeks twice a year on back country mountain remote hut trips do we switch on the furnace to maintain the house at 5C to prevent the pipes from freezing....we get home and shut the furnace option off and keep burning wood that we gathered, hauled and split to stack in the large carport. The family home is not modern, built in 1983, so no ERV or HVAC. We have two dehumidifiers in the basement for those 3 weeks of humidity that pop up. Other than that we feel quite comfortable and just L O V E the heat from the air tight fire insert to keep us warm all winter long. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. I am hoping to add an extension on to this home, with doors to seal it off from the main home. The plans have the Perfect Wall and Perfect Roof, Lstiburek with the Steve Baczek air tight details listed as part of the building details. A door blower test is also part of the plan. Due to power outages that we have here in the country, a very small air tight wood stove is planned to be on the main floor. The basement is full ICF. The power outages mean that continuing to be self sufficient without having to rely on a generator and look for fuel has been Perfect for peace of mind. The plan would be to have the air intake from the outside because the science in wood burning is that the heat from the stove builds up in the home and pushes against the windows as opposed to looking to suck air in from leaky windows. That is why the intake air will be from the outside. So much to learn, so little time. Long live Our houses.....👍☺🇨🇦
@hansmortensen5668
@hansmortensen5668 Жыл бұрын
I suspect that all of these problems could be addressed, it's also insurance against bad weather. Wood still is a good way to keep a home warm when everything else fails.
@JasonJohnson-bc4jy
@JasonJohnson-bc4jy Жыл бұрын
Thanks to all of Matt's wonderful videos on building science I really put a lot of thought into how to put a fireplace in the house we are currently building. We really wanted a fireplace. Here is what I came up with: We went with a direct vent linear fireplace located on an interior wall in the house. I ran 5"x8" direct vent up the interior wall and then through the floor trusses out the side of the house. The exterior walls are ICF, so I had to put the wall vent thimble in when we poured the ICF walls. The good news with that is that it air seals around the thimble perfectly. I also added rock wool insulation and high temp sealant around the pipe going through the thimble to completely air seal and insulate that penetration. The direct vent linear fireplace is sealed and pulls combustion air from the outside. I also have a cool wall kit that dumps the heat from the fireplace into the room. I think this is about the best I could do. I would love to hear Matt's thoughts on this setup and if it would change his mind on indoor fireplaces. However, I agree with Matt that most indoor fireplaces are terrible for air sealing and difficult to do correctly.
@keithgreen1096
@keithgreen1096 Жыл бұрын
It is good that you had the courage to do this show. I'd recommend a show on woodstoves, which are at least a backup heating source for many houses. It at least looks as though you can have many of the advantages of a fireplace with a very good woodstove (the soapstone stoves, for example) with an outside air draw and a glass door, so you see the fire. Of course, from a building science perspective, it isn't ideal. But it is a workable solution for many people who have access to a supply of firewood. There are ways, however, to make it better (safer and more efficient) that the built-in fireboxes that you were showing in many frames of this video.
@baron1c
@baron1c Жыл бұрын
In the NE, I love having an indoor fire as a backup heat source but also for ambiance. With most fireplaces, the heat they create goes right out the chimney. A wood stove is way better than an open fire place.
@searlearnold2867
@searlearnold2867 Жыл бұрын
It's ok Matt. You can visit the log cabin up here in northern Canada in the winter at -40F. You don't have to use the fireplace if you really don't want to.
@12sin8
@12sin8 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that's exactly what he was saying... everyone should stop using their fireplaces, period! 🙄
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
LOL....I asked Matt to do a vid that will at least show how to install with as much air tight detail an air tight wood stove or insert. I also added this as another comment: Matt, glad you brought up this topic. Cold climate Canada with power outages: I live in zone 7, ☺🇨🇦 Atlantic Canada and selectively log on our 8 acres of forest. We only keep the two storey 4 bedroom home heated with burning wood in the air tight insert. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. The family home is connected to the oil furnace system with base heaters....only when we travel in the winter for a few weeks twice a year on back country mountain remote hut trips do we switch on the furnace to maintain the house at 5C to prevent the pipes from freezing....we get home and shut the furnace option off and keep burning wood that we gathered, hauled and split to stack in the large carport. The family home is not modern, built in 1983, so no ERV or HVAC. We have two dehumidifiers in the basement for those 3 weeks of humidity that pop up. Other than that we feel quite comfortable and just L O V E the heat from the air tight fire insert to keep us warm all winter long. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. I am hoping to add an extension on to this home, with doors to seal it off from the main home. The plans have the Perfect Wall and Perfect Roof, Lstiburek with the Steve Baczek air tight details listed as part of the building details. A door blower test is also part of the plan. Due to power outages that we have here in the country, a very small air tight wood stove is planned to be on the main floor. The basement is full ICF. The power outages mean that continuing to be self sufficient without having to rely on a generator and look for fuel has been Perfect for peace of mind. The plan would be to have the air intake from the outside because the science in wood burning is that the heat from the stove builds up in the home and pushes against the windows as opposed to looking to suck air in from leaky windows. That is why the intake air will be from the outside. So much to learn, so little time. Long live Our houses.....👍☺🇨🇦
@DanDeuel
@DanDeuel Жыл бұрын
No need to designate Fahrenheit when at -40 degrees! Burr!!!
@DanDeuel
@DanDeuel Жыл бұрын
No need to designate Fahrenheit when at -40 degrees! Burr!!!
@sambulate
@sambulate Жыл бұрын
Interesting take on this, and my new building science brain (just finished a BS class, Spring semester) ate it up. However, I'm surprised you didn't mention how inefficient traditional American fireplaces tend to be. The heat largely goes right up the chimney, with only part of it getting stored in the surrounding bricks. In the past few years, I've been interested in masonry stoves. They use a series of baffles in which the gases go through a secondary burn, heating up a larger area of thermal mass, and the heat is released over time into the house. Because of the secondary combustion, they produce fewer, safer exhaust gases and you have less ash to clean up. I've also read that they use significantly less fuel than traditional fireplaces. They say today's (small) fire produces tomorrow's heat. Additionally--if I am remembering correctly--they are using fireboxes that are sealed with a glass door during use. I'd imagine they would have to have some kind of air inlet to keep the fire going, but I'm not picturing where that is. Alas, masonry stoves/heaters are also quite expensive, very heavy, and require at least one skilled and knowledgeable mason to build. I'd love to hear your take on them, if you have one.
@jimmybrad156
@jimmybrad156 5 ай бұрын
You'd think it'd be common knowledge that smoke is unburnt fuel that's allowed to escape due to poor design.
@critical-thought
@critical-thought Жыл бұрын
There are self-contained ways to move air into the fire box that do not require extra penetrations. But finding a builder who knows about them is about impossible in this country. So I will be building my own. It will not affect the envelope in any significant way, and it will be glorious.
@patrickmorse7549
@patrickmorse7549 Жыл бұрын
I think an outdoor fireplace with a hot air to liquid heat exchanger to heat water/glycol that is then used to heat your house during the winter would be a much smarter building sciences approach than fireplace in the home.
@buildshow
@buildshow Жыл бұрын
Very interesting idea. Hadn’t thought of that. Seems like a pretty straightforward concept.
@twestgard2
@twestgard2 Жыл бұрын
Outdoor wood furnaces that send heat indoors are pretty common here in Indiana where I live.
@CCRep123
@CCRep123 Жыл бұрын
​@@buildshow it is... but not a cheap one if hybrid
@FJB2020
@FJB2020 Жыл бұрын
Who is going to tend a fire outside in the winter...
@twestgard2
@twestgard2 Жыл бұрын
@@FJB2020 if you get the right size wood furnace, you can load it once a day or less and the blower controls the output. It’s not burdensome and it’s inexpensive.
@garrettwood5359
@garrettwood5359 Жыл бұрын
I had always heard that you loose more heat up the flu and you gain from the radiant heat of the fire. I wish you had commented on that. I had thought using a fireplace for heat was incredibly inefficient and it is interesting to hear how much less tight a home is when they have one not in use.
@houndsong
@houndsong Жыл бұрын
It may be inefficient, but it kept us warm at night when the gas furnace failed.😊
@kurtvonfricken6829
@kurtvonfricken6829 7 ай бұрын
Depends on the fireplace. A correctly constructed Rumford fireplace is a very efficient heat source.
@robertcarlin4876
@robertcarlin4876 Жыл бұрын
When you have no power but you have that cozy wood stove, the hundreds/thousands you lose over the decades is completely worth it when your wife and baby are warm and happy.
@buildshow
@buildshow Жыл бұрын
Very true point.
@djtheg6819
@djtheg6819 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Let's face it. The fireplace in the last hundred years has mostly been for astetics. With the incompetence of government and utility companies, it's nice to have something that can at least provide some kind of warmth so you don't freeze to death.
@mitchdenner9743
@mitchdenner9743 Жыл бұрын
I would think an airtight wood stove with a reburn manifold would be a lot better than a giant black hole in your wall made of brick gulping cu yards of air out of your home. It still requires air for combustion but its more metered with smaller orifices.
@SparklySpencer
@SparklySpencer Жыл бұрын
Especially valid since Texas' winter outage...
@thenexthobby
@thenexthobby Жыл бұрын
If your power goes out that often you have bigger problems than feeling cold weather for a little while.
@doug2216
@doug2216 Жыл бұрын
I have A-frame cabin at 8500' in the Colorado Rockies with a woodstove formerly as the primary heat source. I now have a 96% Trane forced air NG furnace and only use the woodstove when guests come over. I have single-pane windows and really want to tighten my building envelope. I already encapsulated the crawlspace with 3" closed cell. My highest gas bill was $100 this last winter so my utilities aren't too bad. I honestly think when I go to tighten this place up the woodstove is no longer going to work. I've seen some people run a makeup air intake but I think it seems suspect to cut more holes in your house. I have a plate that I push into the chimney to seal it up, just have to remember to pull it out before you light a fire! Love the Build Show Matt!
@bradforrester2417
@bradforrester2417 Жыл бұрын
We are currently designing a new Pretty Good House (not quite Passive House) in rural Alberta, Canada. We wanted a fireplace or wood stove as a back-up source of heat, but wrestled with these same problems... until we found out about Masonry Heaters. They're super efficient as far as fireplaces go when supplied with a direct outside air source. With good dampers on the intake and exhaust, sealed glass doors on the front it, and someone that knows how to use the right sealant on the chimney it can work while still getting
@retiredperson4054
@retiredperson4054 Жыл бұрын
Can you provide a further definition of what you are calling MASONRY HEATERS? Is that a company or a product - and do you have a link to share?
@retiredperson4054
@retiredperson4054 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Brad that was a good explanation
@alexburi
@alexburi 6 ай бұрын
Dealing with a similar build in British Columbia. Can you share the brands of masonry heaters you looked at?
@bradforrester2417
@bradforrester2417 6 ай бұрын
@@alexburi We were looking at kits from Solid Rock Masonry, and Heat Kit. We would then have a local mason build them so they are certified up to code.
@dlg5485
@dlg5485 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I'd never put a fireplace inside my thermal envelope. I do believe they can be done right IF you have the budget for it, but that'd be a waste of money in my opinion. Instead, I'd add a 3-season room outside the main house envelope and put a standard wood burning stove or fireplace out there. That still provides the benefit of an indoor fireplace that you can enjoy most, if not all, of the year without compromising your carefully designed and built thermal envelope.
@Alsacien
@Alsacien Жыл бұрын
That's a smart way of doing it. I wanted a wood fire range in the house I'm currently designing as a backup cooking and heating system for potential emergencies in case the future has prolonged brownouts or blackouts in store for us. Your idea sounds like a great middle ground.
@darrylschmidt704
@darrylschmidt704 Жыл бұрын
I agree with many of your points. I too enjoy the aesthetics of a fire but I live up North. I am not going to spend thousands to sit outside in the cold to look at a fire...that is why we have firepits. I also have a fireplace to heat my home in an emergency. I seem to remember Texas having power problems the other year. Maybe spend some time showing us better ways to have a fireplace in our homes so we can enjoy them and heat our homes in an emergency. Maybe there are options to seal it when we are not using it. Don't get too weird there in Austin...
@Whistlewalk
@Whistlewalk Жыл бұрын
I live in Canada. It gets cold here in the winter - cold and damp in many places. When other sources of heat fail, a proper fireplace is necessary. What you folks call cold down south is a spring day up here. Ya, some older fireplaces are not good. I don't need to be told that. I want to know what is the best way to heat a house with wood, pellets or coal in an emergency. I think that would be more valuable to me than looking at a lovely outdoor fireplace that heats up not much of anything. A waste of wood.
@travismorgan4249
@travismorgan4249 Жыл бұрын
What about ventless propane gas logs that don’t require a flute? They are a very common fireplace in the south east and the higher end brands logs and flames honestly look really good and sometimes make me take a second look to see if they’re real. I would always choose a real fire when I can, but I’m curious why it wasn’t mentioned.
@ptester1
@ptester1 Жыл бұрын
A fireplace needs to draft properly to function properly. If the house is tight that means an alternate source of combustion air must be accounted for. Matt's got that nice Zender fresh air system - it should be very possible to have that augment the fresh air in the house. The other possibility he didn't address was sealed combustion units that take combustion air from the outside so they are functionally like an outside fire in front of a window. As many others have pointed point, oftentimes fireplaces are used for more than just ambiance and what applies in Austin doesn't necessarily apply in MN or Vermont.
@gwilli1754
@gwilli1754 6 ай бұрын
Well said. There is a reason why folks got who depended on heated homes got away from wood burning inside homes, but not much reasoning behind putting a fireplace in house. One of the biggest house components wastes around.
@arvidjohansson3120
@arvidjohansson3120 Жыл бұрын
Open fireplaces are not up to modern standards but in Europe we have wood stoves that are really efficient and does work in high efficiency houses. One only needs to open a door 5 minutes while the fire is started. Furthermore they allow passive house level of air control.
@matthewhair6110
@matthewhair6110 Жыл бұрын
Whenever it gets a little chilly around here, many neighbors fire up their fireplaces, and the whole neighborhood smells awful. At the end of the video, when you say look at all that smoke going up, I'm just thinking, look at all that air pollution going up. Is it really worth what it does to our lungs and our air?
@gerhardschulzy
@gerhardschulzy Жыл бұрын
Yes
@D2O2
@D2O2 Жыл бұрын
I love the smell of burning wood, one of my favorite.
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
🇨🇦❄When the big freeze hits and the power goes out. I like being able to burn stuff to stay warm. Plus here in zone 7 we avoid burning oil from the furnace set up and use our forest trees as readily available fuel source only.Would love to have a video on how to build a proper airtight fireplace , knowing that it’s suboptimal if I still want one, how do I still make it the best fireplace possible. Matt, look forward to a vid on this please.
@karlrovey
@karlrovey Жыл бұрын
Wood stoves are better from an efficiency and heating perspective than fireplaces.
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
@@karlrovey Hi Karl, I have an air tight stove in the fireplace and just how it pumps out the heat.🇨🇦👍🔥🔥
@lavrentichudakoff2519
@lavrentichudakoff2519 Жыл бұрын
It's better to have a masonary heater like a Tulikivi. It actually radiates heat.
@chan4754
@chan4754 Жыл бұрын
Casimiro Bustamante hand built the fireplace in his adobe house (also he built) and it put off more heat than a wood stove and heated the whole house. Fireplaces are joyous to have.
@spyrule
@spyrule Жыл бұрын
Would love an outdoor fireplace.. the problem up in Canada is that when its best used, you'd be surounded by 3ft of snow, which makes it not so fun to enjoy. If I could rip out my fireplace i would, but my wife likes the idea of it, despite us having only used it literally once in 10 years... :rolleyes:
@Matasky2010
@Matasky2010 Жыл бұрын
I'm rolling my eyes at the guy that never uses the existing fireplace but somehow thinks he'd love an outdoor fireplace lol.
@davidp6839
@davidp6839 Жыл бұрын
@@Matasky2010 To be fair, he may not use it because it sucks all the warm air outta the house and leaves the rest of the house freezing?
@thehobbyguy7089
@thehobbyguy7089 Жыл бұрын
As a New England native, I love my fireplace. If I ever achieve the dream of building my dream house I plan to have a few fireplaces and have them built as authentically as possible. Hopefully, I can hire folks like @HardPathPoet to build them.
@antonomaseapophasis5142
@antonomaseapophasis5142 Жыл бұрын
One solution is to install a firebox with glass. The draft and intake are connected to the exterior. You have the visual fireplace, but it is effectively separate from the living space with, perhaps, some tubing which has a partitioned heat interchange with the indoor air. This is not that far from an LED screen with a fireplace video.
@duardyparron850
@duardyparron850 Жыл бұрын
Good info, thank you for sharing... those are very good points. For me, a fireplace is a very important feature because we are naturally drawn to fire, and in a lot of homes tends to becomes the focal point where the family comes together (when the TV is not on). You bring awareness to problems that I didn't know exist, and the issues you point out also apply to wood burning stoves which many people like to run also. I think that people that are planning on using a fire place as a secondary option for heating their homes will appreciate your take on how to do it right.
@dastokene30og
@dastokene30og Жыл бұрын
i have a fireplace (previously wood 🪵 converted to gas ⛽️) and it’s just a HUGE thermal bridge 🌁 idk what to do about it except upgrade my panel box so i have room for more circuits and install a mini-split system specific to that are to balance the thermal bridge/loss
@nealwalden3543
@nealwalden3543 Жыл бұрын
Matt, this doesn't address the air issues you mention that are valid, but I'm sure you've built genuine masonry Rumford fireplaces.... interested in your thoughts on these. In CA a combustible air shutter installed in a firebox is only 8 square inches when open and seems to meet the criteria of getting fresh air into the firebox. Yes, HATE tin can fireplaces---its actually just an awful appliance.
@OriginalHuchang
@OriginalHuchang Жыл бұрын
I love my wood stove insert. I rebuilt the top of my chimney. I ended up forming it out with 2x4 including a drip edge in my form and poured crack resistant concrete. I added in a expansion gap around my clay flue and ran a stainless steel liner down the clay flue and installing a cap. I only burned about a quarter of my 275 gal oil tank this year. Heating oil was up to 5.35 per gal at this time. I had some good savings. The previous winters without my stove I went through almost two tanks worth of oil to keep my house at 65 degrees. I have no regrets installing my insert. I also never have an issue with back draft. I start a small fire get that flue warmed up and off to the races I go.
@Matasky2010
@Matasky2010 Жыл бұрын
I have no problem sacrificing some air leakage in return for all the positive benefits a fireplace brings to an indoor space (especially in a cold climate). I think too much emphasis is put on keeping our homes sealed from the outside, we should be finding ways to incorporate natural air through our homes. Homes need to breathe too.
@zoemoody6903
@zoemoody6903 Жыл бұрын
For allergy reasons, I wanted a house with NO fireplace, but they are impossible to find. A fireplace seems to be one of the boxes a builder feels like he has to check off in his efforts to please all buyers--and they stick them in in the most improbable of locations (like a corner where a massive crowd of one could gather around).
@KevinLyda
@KevinLyda Жыл бұрын
I moved into my house almost 25 years ago and my house had two fireplaces. I closed up one and the other is for a stove. But when I renovate my kitchen the chimney is coming down and the stove will be replaced with an electric one. My builder has already done a few - and I suspect more people will do it over time.
@d33psix88
@d33psix88 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Knowing you don’t like the idea of a fireplace, will you make a video explaining how to build the most efficient one possible, while still being in a traditional style indoor fireplace?
@kurtvonfricken6829
@kurtvonfricken6829 7 ай бұрын
It is called a Rumford fireplace. Google will lead the way.
@connorhetman545
@connorhetman545 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever done a blower door test on a home with a top-sealing cap damper on a masonry chimney? I am not aware of any factory-built systems that would work with them, but since they pretty much completely seal off the flue when not in use, I imagine they could allow a home to still minimize its air loss/moisture entry with a masonry chimney. Air intakes definitely make a large difference and are actually code per the IRC (R1006) on new fireplaces. Our fireplace has one on each side of the firebox. Draft can also be improved by insulating the liner to ensure that smoke is not cooling too quickly before reaching the top of a long chimney. My parents have a new custom home that was built in 2021 with a masonry fireplace. While it is not quite as airtight as most of the homes on this channel, it is definitely still very well built with a conditioned, encapsulated crawl space and all the joints between floors, walls, and ceiling framing sealed. Without ever having to open doors or windows, the fireplace drafts almost perfectly and never leaves a smoky smell in the room.
@_willalexander.88
@_willalexander.88 6 ай бұрын
I'm in the same situation. Built so tight it's hard to keep the smoke out of the house. Added a blower to the 4" intake and it seemed to help a lot. Very important to get it up and going fast for less smoke.
@jasonsstratton
@jasonsstratton Жыл бұрын
Building a house, and I think we'll be installing a direct vent. I just don't see how these are bad for the envelope, it's a sealed system with its own makeup air. Anyways, if anyone has an opinion I'd be interested in hearing it.
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
What I wrote to Matt in comments: Matt, glad you brought up this topic. Cold climate Canada with power outages: I live in zone 7, ☺🇨🇦 Atlantic Canada and selectively log on our 8 acres of forest. We only keep the two storey 4 bedroom home heated with burning wood in the air tight insert. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. The family home is connected to the oil furnace system with base heaters....only when we travel in the winter for a few weeks twice a year on back country mountain remote hut trips do we switch on the furnace to maintain the house at 5C to prevent the pipes from freezing....we get home and shut the furnace option off and keep burning wood that we gathered, hauled and split to stack in the large carport. The family home is not modern, built in 1983, so no ERV or HVAC. We have two dehumidifiers in the basement for those 3 weeks of humidity that pop up. Other than that we feel quite comfortable and just L O V E the heat from the air tight fire insert to keep us warm all winter long. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. I am hoping to add an extension on to this home, with doors to seal it off from the main home. The plans have the Perfect Wall and Perfect Roof, Lstiburek with the Steve Baczek air tight details listed as part of the building details. A door blower test is also part of the plan. Due to power outages that we have here in the country, a very small air tight wood stove is planned to be on the main floor. The basement is full ICF. The power outages mean that continuing to be self sufficient without having to rely on a generator and look for fuel has been Perfect for peace of mind. The plan would be to have the air intake from the outside because the science in wood burning is that the heat from the stove builds up in the home and pushes against the windows as opposed to looking to suck air in from leaky windows. That is why the intake air will be from the outside. So much to learn, so little time. Long live Our houses.....👍☺🇨🇦
@jamesgoodwin7537
@jamesgoodwin7537 Жыл бұрын
Good plan. Sounds like you have lived in Canada, a few years, & outside a big city.
@zachwak
@zachwak Жыл бұрын
I heat my home with a wood stove, which I love and adore, but I wish there was less air leakage and better indoor air quality. Looking to put in Mitsubishi ducted HVAC, but we get semi frequent power outages so I will probably keep the wood stove unless backup batteries become very cheap...
@buildshow
@buildshow Жыл бұрын
I think a woodstove for a back up is a terrific idea. However, I’d like to see a woodstove with sealed combustion and good fresh air supply to the outside that doesn’t leak. I’m pretty sure there’s some European models and probably domestic ones that fit the criteria.
@zachwak
@zachwak Жыл бұрын
@@buildshow thanks! I'll look into them when it's time for a new stove 😀
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
@@buildshow Maybe do a vid on air tight wood stoves or inserts because here in zone 7 Canada we need our air tight stoves when regular power goes out.... Matt, glad you brought up this topic. Cold climate Canada with power outages: I live in zone 7, ☺🇨🇦 Atlantic Canada and selectively log on our 8 acres of forest. We only keep the two storey 4 bedroom home heated with burning wood in the air tight insert. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. The family home is connected to the oil furnace system with base heaters....only when we travel in the winter for a few weeks twice a year on back country mountain remote hut trips do we switch on the furnace to maintain the house at 5C to prevent the pipes from freezing....we get home and shut the furnace option off and keep burning wood that we gathered, hauled and split to stack in the large carport. The family home is not modern, built in 1983, so no ERV or HVAC. We have two dehumidifiers in the basement for those 3 weeks of humidity that pop up. Other than that we feel quite comfortable and just L O V E the heat from the air tight fire insert to keep us warm all winter long. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. I am hoping to add an extension on to this home, with doors to seal it off from the main home. The plans have the Perfect Wall and Perfect Roof, Lstiburek with the Steve Baczek air tight details listed as part of the building details. A door blower test is also part of the plan. Due to power outages that we have here in the country, a very small air tight wood stove is planned to be on the main floor. The basement is full ICF. The power outages mean that continuing to be self sufficient without having to rely on a generator and look for fuel has been Perfect for peace of mind. The plan would be to have the air intake from the outside because the science in wood burning is that the heat from the stove builds up in the home and pushes against the windows as opposed to looking to suck air in from leaky windows. That is why the intake air will be from the outside. So much to learn, so little time. Long live Our houses.....👍☺🇨🇦
@MultiOhioman
@MultiOhioman Жыл бұрын
Heating with wood has saved me $1000s, but you are spot on about leakage. In my old house I plumbed air to the stove it improved its performance, but I should have had a larger source. Thanks for what you do.
@timgleason2527
@timgleason2527 Жыл бұрын
Same here… even with my actual epa certified stove with a sealed air intake coming it the back, when it’s windy you can feel cold air leaking out every corner.
@randyscrafts8575
@randyscrafts8575 Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid we had a new house built with a real fireplace in the family room. Light that sucker up and the entire house got cold fairly rapidly. Even closing the damper only slowed down the cooling. Outdoor air exchange to supply air for the fire and indoor flue heat exchange systems are required so the house heat doesn't get sucked up and out the chimney.
@Dadnatron
@Dadnatron 6 ай бұрын
It would be interesting for you to test an Acucraft, American and Hearthside fireplace system. They duct air in from outside, and at least, based on videos I’ve seen, the air INTAKE dampener can almost completely put out the fire or cause it to rage. I do think that it really depends on your goals… I’ll take a leakier house and a warm heart over a blower door test number… any day.
@stevenhockaday914
@stevenhockaday914 Жыл бұрын
Love wood burning fireplaces. Great points around draw and leakage.
@StariusPrime
@StariusPrime Жыл бұрын
How about those Tulikivi soapstone fireplaces? Their design looks like you wouldn't have the air leakage issues, at least not to the same extent.
@leonardbertaux6897
@leonardbertaux6897 Жыл бұрын
I hate sitting outdoors in the winter, love my indoor fireplace and never will have a home without. To hell with your blower door test!
@need4speedtommy
@need4speedtommy Жыл бұрын
I find most fireplaces tend to go unused 80% of the year. In my home design I’m opting out of the pre drawn fireplace.
@atodaso1668
@atodaso1668 Жыл бұрын
It cant be replicated though, nothing quite like a proper wood fire at Christmas.
@mikeyfoofoo
@mikeyfoofoo Жыл бұрын
Got rid of ours in a renovation. Opened up the room since it was in the middle of two rooms. Also that smell...
@BigFrankieC
@BigFrankieC Жыл бұрын
I'm in Portland, and I love the idea of an outdoor fireplace like that, with a roof over the lounge area in front. Framed by like 4 brick pillars, so it has a look of a small one-room cabin, with the walls missing. I think that would be pretty great for a rainy PNW winter.
@TheGazaMethodChannel
@TheGazaMethodChannel Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a modern wood burning fireplace insert. Wouldnt that seal the leaky draft issue (assuming installed properly)?
@briancapps7593
@briancapps7593 Жыл бұрын
Wood burning stoves are way better
@deborahsinico9732
@deborahsinico9732 Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more! They’re way more efficient!
@wilsonwj
@wilsonwj Жыл бұрын
Agree to disagree. Going to be building a new house for my parents and it will have a fireplace.
@buildshow
@buildshow Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure that we necessarily disagree. I just want you to install a fireplace that has really good sealed combustion, not one of these cheap metal boxes that leaks now and forever. Consider a woodstove with a good fresh air input and sealed combustion. Probably some European and domestic models Meet that criteria
@bobbygetsbanned6049
@bobbygetsbanned6049 Жыл бұрын
Yes fireplaces are worth the issues, a fire burning inside on a cold winter night is awesome and you don't have to sit out in the cold to enjoy it.
@wilsonwj
@wilsonwj Жыл бұрын
​@@buildshow ​ I guess I should have been more specific. I know there are shoddy metal boxes and do not plan on going the cheap route. I will be having a wood stove in the master bedroom as well as a big fireplace in the main living room. I understand the downfalls and will gladly take them for the positives that a wood-burning fireplace gives. I'm not as concerned about having a tight house as you are. I'm happy with good enough.
@deborahsinico9732
@deborahsinico9732 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Wood burning stoves are the best!
@TareanSmiley
@TareanSmiley 9 ай бұрын
Modern fireplaces need to use concentric venting. Essentially a smaller exhaust pipe stuck in the middle of a larger "vent" pipe. We use them on tankless water heaters all the time. You can seal the fireplace, and the concentric vent/chimney gets several huge bonuses. For one, the fire clearance on the outer pipe is basically nil, so you can insulate it like you normally would. Could also use rockwool if you're paranoid. The hot inner-exhaust pipe has 1-2 inches or more (1 to 2 pipe diameters larger) worth of an air gap, so the outer pipe doesn't get hot. This satisfies the "60% larger", and can also be used with sealed units to minimize air loss. The only big draw back after that, is the "thermal bridge" problem. On one hand, you can integrate this into a passive solar design and use the masonry as a "heat sink" in colder climates. In hot climates you can do the exact opposite, and make sure the chimney isn't in the sunlight of a window. This can actually help from a passive solar perspective, as long as you reduce the air loss as described above.
@cwslsj
@cwslsj Жыл бұрын
My biggest draw on these fireplaces is the massive amount of heat loss. We have a huge room now with one in it and to actually realize any heat that fire has to be stacked and blazing an then I think the room retains only 10-15% of the actual heat at best. I have seen some vented racks that the wood burns on that blows air into room. Plan on trying one of them.
@michaelbrennan7148
@michaelbrennan7148 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt. Can't agree with you more. Good stuff.
@buildshow
@buildshow Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@christym1779
@christym1779 6 ай бұрын
I love how your passion for fireplaces comes through. Never apologize for that. Ha! I have an outdoor fireplace in a house we bought 3 years ago and we don’t use it often because we literally are choking on the smoke it pushes out of us when we sit in front of it. What do you recommend for us to look at? Sounds like we may have a construction situation as our chimney stack thingy is so stubby. Not sure how to send a picture but I’d love your advice
@eshayba
@eshayba 3 ай бұрын
in australia fireplaces have a door so wind doesn't come in and it isn't a damn metal thingy sticking out of the house, it's usually freestanding indoors
@BanBiofuels
@BanBiofuels Жыл бұрын
I just designed a home that has a double-sided firebox design. The fire can be seen from the foyer and living room at the same time. So, I guess my home is doomed to lose a few percent of efficiency, but a wood fire is so primal in this case I think it is worth it. Imagine it's Christmas Eve and your guests arrive and the first thing they see is a heart-warming fire. I will never forget how comforting a fire was in our old house built in the 1800s.
@hardpathpoet2859
@hardpathpoet2859 Жыл бұрын
See-through fireplaces almost always smoke. In order to not smoke, you will have to put in an extremely large flue. They can be done, but one must be very concerned about draw. I would also recommend smaller fireplace openings. 36" or less. A chimney-top damper should be considered.
@BanBiofuels
@BanBiofuels Жыл бұрын
@@hardpathpoet2859 How do you feel about Fireplace Xtrordinair's behind-glass wood burning models? I believe they have fan blowers to suck in fresh air and expel warm air into the living space. What size would you suggest? Is 36" best or could I go to 44" size?
@hardpathpoet2859
@hardpathpoet2859 Жыл бұрын
@Christopher Calder I am not experienced with that product, but there are many good fireplace inserts. They all have their concerns, though. If it has metal in contact with masonry, rusting is a long-term concern, and they can be difficult to remove or replace. By that, I mean when masonry is laid against metal, it's less of a concern when the masonry is laid, in preparation for installation. Glass doors work for their intended purpose, but heat-resistant panes can be hard to find when they need to be replaced. The firebox size is really just about how big of a fire you want to have. That's an aesthetic choice. 36" is best for most rooms. 44" might look a bit weird unless the room is large.
@BanBiofuels
@BanBiofuels Жыл бұрын
@@hardpathpoet2859 The room is 22' 6" by 35'.
@hardpathpoet2859
@hardpathpoet2859 Жыл бұрын
@@BanBiofuels Well. A big fucking fireplace would be awesome in that room. Something with a raised hearth and a nice big hearth stone.
@JeffKeller-ey4vm
@JeffKeller-ey4vm 11 ай бұрын
Look into masonry heaters for inside the house. Hundreds of years old wood burning technology that works. There's a bunch of info available, kits available and any mason can build one.
@nunya2445
@nunya2445 Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear your opinion on direct vent gas fireplaces. No air leakage.
@63MGB1
@63MGB1 Жыл бұрын
We love ours. I installed it about twenty years ago and even though we have zonal electric we use the fireplace for 95% of our heating. The electric units get run occasionally just to burn off the dust, or on extremely cold mornings to warm the house up more quickly. I have a friend who built a super insulated home of almost 4000 SQ ft. He put a small DV gas fireplace just like ours on each of the two floors of his house. He basically uses one of the two to heat the entire house in most weather.
@joelaughlin1946
@joelaughlin1946 Жыл бұрын
You spend a lot of time in New England. On one of your next trips there seek out someone with a Rumford fireplace. They are much different than what most masons build today, and much more efficient and clean burning.
@kurtvonfricken6829
@kurtvonfricken6829 7 ай бұрын
Thank you. Someone here gets it and knows not to lump all things that bun wood into one class called “fireplaces” Rumfords burn wood old school and defiantly will heat a room.
@garyjones101
@garyjones101 Ай бұрын
I totally agree with you on an indoor fireplace being an air sieve. You're not going to have a super tight home if you have one. I've always enjoyed having a fireplace, but when you consider the energy loss and ultimately the pollution burning wood creates, I don't really have a desire for one anymore. It's one thing when we need an open fire to cook to eat or heat to survive, but another when it's just for ambiance and it's adding pollution to the atmosphere. I know having one's personal fireplace going doesn't sound like much of an issue, but multiply that by a million others going at the same time and it adds up. When we are doing it all over the world on multiple nights a week you can see how it adds to air pollution exponentially. As cozy as a fireplace has always seemed, I'm not sure they have as much value today, given the cost to build and the cost they will take on our shared environment.
@twestgard2
@twestgard2 Жыл бұрын
I heat my house all winter for $220, which is what a semi of hardwood firewood logs costs me, plus 3-4 days of work with the chainsaw and splitter. We have no problem with draw because the house is air leaky, but we crank out so much heat that it just doesn’t matter. We do have a propane furnace but we haven’t used it in several years. At current prices, one winter on propane would be about $1500 and the quality of the heat just isn’t the same. Not everyone lives in a hardwood forest but for those of us who do, it’s pretty nice.
@alec4672
@alec4672 Жыл бұрын
The only fire place I've seen that I'd install in a modern building is a custom one I saw on a job once. It was basically an outdoor fireplace that you could see up close through a sealed window. Imagien what you have really close to the house with a window right in front of the fire box and a open back to the fireplace so you can still use it on the patio. It was all custom made though and you have to have someone outside to tend the fire.
@brianzachary5618
@brianzachary5618 6 ай бұрын
Fireplaces are great for atmosphere/ambience. I use mine once or twice a year. It is a well made masonry fireplace with no draw issues. It heats the living room but mostly it sucks out about as much heat than it provides. For wood heat, a good air tight wood stove is the only way to go.
@christophers_verified
@christophers_verified 6 ай бұрын
Had a masonry fireplace on my second floor living room flanked by French windows on either side: made for beautifully romantic autumn/spring evenings when I had a fire roaring in the fireplace drawing from open full height windows on either side.
@elmedia1532
@elmedia1532 6 ай бұрын
I'm over here in front of my Fireplace relaxing like, what is Risinger talking about? 70's house in AZ during Winter is just a beautiful thing!
@dtrout
@dtrout Жыл бұрын
Interesting video. We had a cheap builders model metal fireplace installed approximately 30 years ago and briefly enjoyed it, but it always leaked smoke into the house, even after adding firebricks to the base. It’s been a source of many problems including one year when a raccoon managed to tear a hole and get into the attic knee walls. I am considering using a Hobbit stove in a small plexiglass greenhouse. Michigan outdoors is a mix of bitter cold, constant rain, and swarms of mosquitoes.... with brief periods in early spring and late fall when being outdoors is pleasant. I do wonder if I installed the hobbit stove could I pull heat into the house with some sort of pipe connection and would I use antifreeze or would it need to be water that is drained out in winter ? Is there a non liquid heat transfer option ?
@tillisross2246
@tillisross2246 7 ай бұрын
I’m so glad you covered this. I’ve been curious about having a fireplace in a high performance house.
@alanjackson1015
@alanjackson1015 Жыл бұрын
I have a Regency freestanding fireplace with a dedicated outdoor air supply and I wouldn't give it up for anything! During our cold winters here in Alberta, it can and often does heat my entire place (just over 920sqft). Door on the front seals pretty well, and I have sealed the pedestal as well. Never backdrafts. It is amazing. Now, 1970's fireplaces are complete and utter crapolla
@tbone0785
@tbone0785 Жыл бұрын
thank you for posting this! Trying to plan for our new house build and I'm torn on what to do about the fireplace. Do I use a large traditional wood burner with glass window? But I still love a nice open fireplace? Tons of options.
@losgringos7537
@losgringos7537 Жыл бұрын
Our house was poorly built in 2007 by "Utah's number one homebuilder" with a cheap gas fireplace in the living room. Anytime I walk past or near the fireplace in the winter while it's off, it is freezing. The floor and entire area around the fireplace are frigid and you can feel cold air pouring in. Planning on tearing it out. I'm guessing that it doesn't have any insulation in the cavity and there are air leaks. I love fireplaces, too, this one was just installed quick and cheap with no attention to detail.
@Halfwalker
@Halfwalker 6 ай бұрын
Best fireplace I've seen was a whole-house heating one, up in VT somewhere at a ski-house. MASSIVE masonry thing, all inside the house, with a couple of really slick features. * Not a straight flue going up - the heated air went through an S curve set, going up and down within the masonry stack, letting the heat bleed into the stone, before heading up and out. * Small "priming flue" going straight up, bypassing the S-curves - some hot air would go up there helping to provide draft for the longer S-curve path. * Outside combustion air source, two inlets on either side. * Deep - about 3 feet front to back, with gas lines front to back as well, to get the wood burning quickly. * Loaded from the rear/outside - would take 3-4 3-foot long logs, a good 8" diameter or more. The gas got them going well. * Meant to be run with glass doors closed, but could run open as well for ambiance. One would load the fireplace with 3-4 logs from the back/outside, close the rear door. Turn on the gas, light the gas, close the front glass. Turn off the gas once the wood was well burning. A small amount of hot air would go straight up to the main flue, providing enough of a draft to pull the rest through the S-curves. The main flue above was large enough to provide a good pull as well once things were going. It would heat the masonry within a couple of hours, and the massive thermal mass would re-radiate that heat for the whole night. The owner/builder also had copper pipes embedded in the masonry that did a loop to the upstairs radiators. That pre-heated the water for the boiler, reducing the fuel usage.
@davidbaldwin1591
@davidbaldwin1591 6 ай бұрын
I would enjoy a video on this. I want to see how they dealt with the soot and klinkers that settle out, and the access points for cleaning. That would inspire confidence for me to build one of my own. I've spent more time than I wanted cleaning slow moving areas of conventional chimney systems.
@gw6667
@gw6667 Жыл бұрын
Some interesting points, but I like fires when it's like 50 outside and I'm not going to be outside in that weather, or when it's raining or snowing
@jeffchriest9982
@jeffchriest9982 6 ай бұрын
Matt, you are spot on. My 1991 Fireplace Extraordinaire leaks a ton of air.
@arlannotness
@arlannotness Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong, but I do love how they look and our gas fireplace saved our butts and likely prevented damage from freezing pipes that others in our area suffered during the Texas weather back several years ago now. I know that is a Hughe outlier of a data point compared to a normal building science conversation but it really seems worth the mention. Our fireplace kept the house in the 50s and likely could have performed better in our 80s production build with improved air selling and insolation. Those are things I intend to address when the budget is ready because we love our location and even a modern custom build could not get us that back. My goal is to make our home the most efficient 80's home I can, with the leaky fireplace, within my budget. I know it is a tall order but the information you share truly helps in that goal.
@kevinleblanc47
@kevinleblanc47 Ай бұрын
You and your wife are right,fireplaces are not healthy smoke is not good in the house that is for sure.By the way you do help a lot of us and we are grateful for the knowledge you share you help in so many ways always trying to make things better. Thanks for all you do Matt you make my life a little bit brighter.
@seanpalmer8472
@seanpalmer8472 Жыл бұрын
My parents just completed a deck addition a couple of months ago that included replacing the existing wood-burning fireplace with a direct-vent gas powered one. They live in the Las Vegas area, but they insisted on still having fireplace as a backup source of heat. The heater never kicks on during the day in the winter because of all the passive-solar gain that the house gets. However...my dad grew up in SE Idaho and is overly paranoid about he risk (and chance) of temperatures that get cold enough for long enough to be a problem where he lives now. The old one was very drafty and hadn't had been used in over a decade. It spent all year with a piece of foam insulation wedged in the opening to stop the draft. And guess what...the new one also has a draft! Despite all their air sealing efforts and the fact that it is completely inside an insulated closet space, there is still enough convective air current generated around the firebox when it is off that there is a noticeable draft that comes out from underneath. We'll have to wait and see if there is a noticeable summer draft too.
@NunyaBidness-zr5mn
@NunyaBidness-zr5mn 6 ай бұрын
My house was built in 1985 with a full masonry fireplace in the living room. I freakin' LOVE it. I give nay-damn about air leakage. Maybe that's because I live in coastal South Carolina so for us, a cold winter day is 40 degrees. We burn wood in our fireplace on almost every night that the temps are below 60. And we have it professionally cleaned and inspected at the end of every season. We also have a gas log fireplace in our rear family room. It gets used maybe 1 or 2 times a year. You just can't beat a wood burning for ambience.
@jasonsellon4270
@jasonsellon4270 25 күн бұрын
I can honestly agree with most of your points made here, also I might add that where they are usually placed as quite inconvenient and is definitely not given much thought, I just bought an outdoor chimney lol
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
Matt, glad you brought up this topic. Cold climate Canada with power outages: I live in zone 7, ☺🇨🇦 Atlantic Canada and selectively log on our 8 acres of forest. We only keep the two storey 4 bedroom home heated with burning wood in the air tight insert. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. The family home is connected to the oil furnace system with base heaters....only when we travel in the winter for a few weeks twice a year on back country mountain remote hut trips do we switch on the furnace to maintain the house at 5C to prevent the pipes from freezing....we get home and shut the furnace option off and keep burning wood that we gathered, hauled and split to stack in the large carport. The family home is not modern, built in 1983, so no ERV or HVAC. We have two dehumidifiers in the basement for those 3 weeks of humidity that pop up. Other than that we feel quite comfortable and just L O V E the heat from the air tight fire insert to keep us warm all winter long. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. Our electricity bill over the past two winter months was $111.00 and $106.00 CDN dollars folks....so a lot cheaper in USA cost when you do the currency conversion. I did some air tight sealing work working with Efficiency Prince Edward Island and a door blower test before and after to get the rebate if significant improvement. I am hoping to add an extension on to this home, with doors to seal it off from the main home. The plans have the Perfect Wall and Perfect Roof, Lstiburek with the Steve Baczek air tight details listed as part of the building details. A door blower test is also part of the plan. Due to power outages that we have here in the country, a very small air tight wood stove is planned to be on the main floor. The basement is full ICF. The power outages mean that continuing to be self sufficient without having to rely on a generator and look for fuel has been Perfect for peace of mind. The plan would be to have the air intake from the outside because the science in wood burning is that the heat from the stove builds up in the home and pushes against the windows as opposed to looking to suck air in from leaky windows. That is why the intake air will be from the outside. So much to learn, so little time. Long live Our houses.....👍☺🇨🇦
@Alphasig336
@Alphasig336 Жыл бұрын
For the price of a fireplace you can buy a whole house generator with the benefit of cooling in summer and/or freezer and refrigerator running.
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
@@Alphasig336 Hello there. 🇨🇦 A possible option. The family home here is set up with an oil furnace, which we do NOT use and only burn wood as we continue to manage the surrounding forest by selectively logging. The white spruce trees we manage and then burn once dry, allow patches of forest to be available for replacement of hardwoods. We are changing this full white spruce forest into an Acadian forest. This means hardwoods and shrubs for wildlife natural food needs to be regularly planted. It is a slow process. So it is a good thing here for us to burn wood....it helps us manage our forest and use our own trees, it sets things up for a healthier forest with a variety of tree species and food source shrubs, and we feel really good helping our planet in the very small way that we are doing. From our experience any generator we had sat for a long while before being needed with temporary fortune of it working unless you maintained it throughout the year. You still depend on acquiring a fuel source and depend on the service to get it here in the country. The latest hurricane shut down gas stations for weeks so fuel ran out on some of the generators. Not a 100 percent reliable option for country living. Our fuel source is right outside our home and not dependent on services to get it here or that we will run out after weeks of no electricity. Even when we eventually switch to geothermal energy and get rid of the oil tank system, once the power goes out, almost yearly at some point, the geothermal system shuts down...so here in Cool Canada, having an air tight insert helps us to almost live off grid with the sprinkle of usage of electricity while the power is operational. A variety of ways to live with individual needs and to each her own. Appreciate your input.
@lonzo61
@lonzo61 6 ай бұрын
It's not just that fireplaces are inherently leaky, but they are grossly inefficient at heating interior space. In fact, fireplaces probably, on net, cool the space more than they heat it--that is, if the outside temps are below a certain level. I had a fireplace in my 1940s Cape Cod home, and it would only heat the interior space if the outside temps were above 50 degrees F. Below that, the cooler it was outside, the more the effects were felt inside. Once the temps got into the 30s, it became uncomfortably cold inside the house which made the furnace run more! It's why I made it a habit to turn off the furnace before using the fire, and also being sure that the exterior temps were at least above 45 degrees. BTW, I routinely keep my thermostat set at 60 to 63 during the cold months, and I almost never used the fireplace during the winter unless there was that rare day above 50F. The other problem with fireplaces is that large mass of masonry that is exposed to the exterior AND interior. That thermal bridging further reduces the overall efficiency of the home. Stoves are better for the role of providing supplemental or sole heat as most people know, but they have some of their own problems. If I had to choose, I'd go for the stove. But either way, for the sake of efficiency, I would rather not have either. But jeez, I love fireplaces and stoves for the same reasons that everyone else does. My current 1960 split level has no fireplace, is much larger than my 1940s house, and yet it's more efficient despite the increased square footage and footprint. I'd thought about installing a stove in the lower level family room and using the old chimney flu that used to serve the older, less efficient furnace. But I can't bring myself to do it. It would be nice when I'm burning wood, but when not in use is when it's contributing to a less efficient envelope, it might be argued.
@matthewriegner5180
@matthewriegner5180 Жыл бұрын
We have a wood stove and insert for our fireplace. Have no issues as far as utilities, and have the chimney and wood stove checked and cleaned every few years. We're all electric and can cook if the power goes out also. It was in the home when we bought, but I can't imagine not having one now.
@daveton9033
@daveton9033 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Mr Risinger ,Can you do a video on how to properly seal out a Fire place for people who don't want to use it anymore ,cause tearing it down will cause too much trouble, Thank You!
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